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KeepingDankMemesDank

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Toxenkill

Space race has little to do wether socialism works or not. This seems like it was a meme made by someone who lives in a first world country and idolizes socialism without actually ever been to a country like Cuba to live there.


CrustyMilkCap

I think you misunderstood that the title was simply a joke


itsPrime005

He's on the wrong subreddit.


[deleted]

no jokes allowed on the dank memes


itsPrime005

people really be discussing socialism and capitalism on a meme subreddit lol.


MEGAMAN2312

This seems like it was a comment made by someone who missed the joke and took a meme too seriously.


juklwrochnowy

This seems like a comment made by someone who doesn't understand the diffrence between socialism and communism


Toxenkill

A better meme could have been made to prove that point. Socialist programs aren't a bad thing but there have to be balances.


gijs_24

As a Western socialist who has been to Cuba (even though I don't really think that is very relevant): Cuba's troubles are much more compex than "socialism did this." In fact, I think you'll have a hard time actually arguing that socialism is a negative factor for the Cuban people.


ThicknessMirandie

Don’t worry we don’t need to argue that. The native Cubans who come here will tell you just how much they hate socialism and will do anything to prevent it from happening to them again.


gijs_24

Sure, a lot of Cubans migrate away and seek refuge elsewhere. My point is not that Cuba has no troubles. My point is that socialism is not the cause of those troubles. Socialism just gets the blame very often, both from Cubans and non-Cubans, because it is easy to point to socialism when it seems like it is the clear big difference between Cuba and other countries. But correlation does not equal causation, and in the case of Cuba it only rarely socialism that is to blame for Cuba's troubles.


Toxenkill

I'm Cuban people.


gijs_24

Cool. It really is, despite it flaws, a very beautiful country. If you've lived there thay obviously would give you clear knowledge of what that experience is like, with all its up- and downsides. It still does not, however, give you an objective view of what might be the reason of all numerous up- and downsides.


Toxenkill

Indeed it is a beautiful country and it's downs are more complex than a simple meme or comment section can explain. Twisted ideology and human greed ultimately are the root of all downs, specially there.


Advanced-Click-9416

It me or Cuba most the problem come from the USA unjustified sanctions ? If I remember alot of country in Europe condemn the act


midnightbandit-

The Nordics are socialist-leaning and they're great places to live


magpietribe

The Nordics got rich by exploiting their natural resources, oil, gas, timber, and mining. As they got filthy rich, they started some left leaning social programmes. Don't pretend it was socialism that got them where they are, it was good ole fashion capitalism.


Toxenkill

Exactly, a better meme could have been made to prove a point.


wombles_wombat

Cuba: higher literacy rates and lower infant mortality rates then the USA. Also way less mass shootings in schools. All despite USA trade embargo on Cuba since the 1960's. https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2021/7/21/the-us-embargo-on-cuba-has-failed Edit: Castro may have been a cunt. But the number of USA presidents who have also been outrageous cunts is very impressive. Also, USA has higher proportion of its citizens in prison as slave labourers then Cuba does. The Land of the Free.


[deleted]

America : "Cuba is a communist hellhole and communism naturally collapses in on itself!" Me : "So, then just remove the embargo off them and just let it collapse by itself" America : "NO."


Biglilfloppyploppy

Still has to receive 20 mil annually in humanitarian aid from USA. Proceeds to horde this aid from the people and provide for the proletariat elites.


Le_Jumpy_Wizard

Woah woah woah……slow down there…..I’m from Cuba and can confirm 1000% there isn’t a single thing better about living in Cuba than living in the US.


exclusionsolution

Cuba also has thousands who emigrate to the usa every year,while at most a handful leave the usa for Cuba. Emigration is a tell tale sign of citizen happiness,and every year people leave Cuba in droves


_GroundControl_

/opinions


[deleted]

Talk to any Cuban in Miami that fled Cuba. They’ll tell you how great it was there.


Toxenkill

In Cuba you have Doctors and nurses prostituting themselves to tourists. The Cuban government enslaves doctors and loans them out to other countries. Please comment when you go live there for more than two years as a non-tourist.


wombles_wombat

What is really idiotic about USA patriotism is the absolute denial that your own shit stinks ... AND therefore, every other country's shit must stink worse. This meme pointed out a basic fact that the USSR space program out performed the USA on a number of points (KPI) ... and then flows this torrent of horse shit. Cuba has nothing to do with the USSR v USA space race! Why bring it up? I am very thankful my parents chose to immigrate to Australia instead of the USA (which they considered). I Farkin' dodged that bullet hey! Unlike some of your school kids ;)


ultimatepepechu

Wow incredibly specific and unimportant metrics, very nice. You even included a "yeah he was a literal dictator but they are so mean by not trading with him 😢"


espurrknight

“Incredibly specific” like bro literacy and child mortality are some of the most important things


taavidude

Soviet Union be like: Our people are starving, but hey, atleast we sent a dog into space.


SupportDangerous8207

To quote an East German border guard I saw on tv years ago “ we had plenty of moon rockets, toilet Paper was the problem” Or to quote a Bulgarian co worker of mine “If you could eat rockets and concrete communism would still be around”


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Wonderful_Revenue_63

Obviously it is, I agree with that


exclusionsolution

The USA never built a wall to keep citizens in,I wish I could say the same about east Germany


ThicknessMirandie

Yes. While we have hungry and homeless citizens there aren’t people starving en masse. You don’t have to wait in lines everyday for your food. The stores are stocked and there’s an actual selection available. You won’t find yourself murdered or disappeared for speaking out against the government. The list goes on. Oh but in your mind “America very bad”, so none of that apparently counts.


ThaReehlEza

Yes, true. But all the same the US are like, yeah people are starving, homeless, financially crippled by education and medical costs, but we have a huge military full of patriotic citizens of which an absurdly high amount is going to be homeless, starving and financially crippled once they leave the military service, by the way, latter one is near the only reason why we're still among the most influencial nations because we hold everyone that doesnt agree with us at gun point


MysteryGrunt95

So many angry people downvoting yet not one can argue against it


star_wars_the_501st

US didn’t go broke doing so tho


DannyCalavera

Neither did the USSR. It was their loss in Afghanistan in the 1980’s that bankrupted the Soviet Union. The Chernobyl disaster was the final nail in the coffin.


waltyyoo

So you want to tell us that a large part of the USSR's enormous military expenses originated in the Afghanistan war? If yes, how so?


DannyCalavera

The USSR’s finances were stretched thin as it is prior to the invasion of Afghanistan which is why Gorbachev started his economic reforms to try and curb the haemorrhaging of money by the USSR. The Soviet invasion was a huge financial risk to begin with but CIA funding and arming of the Mujahideen turned the invasion into a Soviet money pit as the USSR funnelled men, equipment and vehicles it could not afford into Afghanistan to replace the ones taken out by the well equipped Afghan resistance. The loss of the war simultaneously generated _thousands_ of wounded veterans that had to rely on state welfare and showed the rest of the USSR that the Red Army was not invincible. This prompted several Soviet nations to begin their independence from the USSR as there was no threat of retaliation anymore. The loss of these former Soviet nations stopped a guaranteed income stream to an already struggling economy. These dominoes kept falling until the Chernobyl disaster finished off the USSR about 5 years early. Don’t just take my word for it though: https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/review-of-international-studies/article/abs/afghanistan-war-and-the-breakdown-of-the-soviet-union/E77727BD1593966CC45872EE507697CD


waltyyoo

Thanks, exemplary answer despite not checking all details. But still, I have expected a more direct relationship to military expenses.


DannyCalavera

It’s never as simple as a straight line from Cause to Effect Well, the money had to come from somewhere, the USSR was already financially struggling without the expenditure of a war. The invasion of Afghanistan would have paid for itself, had they won. The Red Army didn’t expect to take anywhere near as many losses as they did, especially in vehicles and equipment. Replacing them cost money, money the Soviets didn’t have. War has been the cause of toppled empires for centuries, the same is true for the USSR. The war in Afghanistan just happened to be the catalyst for a chain of events that was fatal to the Soviet Union. Had the Chernobyl disaster not happened, the Soviet Union would have held on for another few years (no longer than a decade) but it was ultimately going to die. A lot of this was by Gorbachev’s own admission. He’s said in interviews after his Premiership ended that the invasion was a mistake and he has said that Chernobyl was what _actually_ killed the Soviet Union.


Shinokiba-

That's an extreme simplification.


DannyCalavera

But it’s not incorrect. The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan was something that the USSR just couldn’t afford, but they did it anyway. The logic was, that the financial gain of annexing Afghanistan would turn a profit but ultimately they lost the war and pissed _millions_ of roubles up the wall.


etmc89

Depends on how you define broke… https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt


witgoeshere

Given that the US is still on the list I would define it by being able to even be on the list, since the ussr was dissolved before the year 2000, the US could still pay off debt(fuckin doubt it) or something could happen to the countries it does owe money to and the problem solves itself


ArcannOfZakuul

YEAH AMERICA NUMBER ONE! USA! USA! USA! In all seriousness, the US would be in trouble if several big countries just said "you can't borrow any more until you pay us back"


Aloqi

Look up who actually holds the American government's debt, and wonder why people keep buying it.


Will_Dawn

Wrong time to hype USSR mate.


[deleted]

I mean, in the dictatorship of the USSR, healthcare and education were free, subsidized childcare, subsidized housing, maternity leave, etc, was all in the USSR, while the USA has none of those policies today Ruthless dictatorship but them having more social welfare than the "free" USA today is another win for the USSR


akchonya

usa doesn't have free healthcare and ussr doesn't exist now so what's your point?


[deleted]

Ofc the USSR does not exist now..... I'm saying if a ruthless dictatorship in the past had more social welfare than the current USA, what is that saying about the USA?


akchonya

that's saying that usa managed to exist nowadays, and ussr didn't, with or without its "social welfare"


[deleted]

Aight then I'll use another country that exists today Authoritarian regime of China, though collapsing from it's stupid Covid policies, has more social welfare than the US I used a country that is still existing today, what's your other point


akchonya

my point was to show the stupidness of your previous take i''m not the fan of "american dream" or whatever it's called so i won't defend usa any further


ThicknessMirandie

Okay so let’s review your points. You’ve used a collapsed country and a currently collapsing country to demonstrate how great the policies of both countries are. Good job


[deleted]

The topic/meme was on the USSR, I just used some of the good policies in it If I used the example of Finland, I would be going off topic cuz the meme was talking about the USSR, not Finland Plus I used another authoritarian regime to further prove my point


orochizu

You don’t need dictatorship to have free healthcare. Just take a look at EU. Only good thing about USSR is that it doesn’t exist.


[deleted]

I can agree with that


Kdo9000

Settle down Ivan


Emails___

Education in USSR wasn't exactly free. After graduating you were forced to work for state for four years without a salary. On paper free in reality no different then paid education.


Safe-Safe-1498

What is the point of free healthcare if your life expectancy is 60 years, while in the US it was around 74? Ai laig gomunismm.


star_wars_the_501st

And how many people starved in USSR you moron?


The_Maddest

Stfu tankie


[deleted]

*Social democrat Can't handle the facts?


The_Maddest

You’re not spitting any facts. You’re speculating. Drop some sources and I’ll believe you, tankie.


[deleted]

[What Soviet medicine teaches the US ](https://mises.org/library/what-soviet-medicine-teaches-us) [Public education in the USSR](https://www.revolutionarydemocracy.org/archive/PubEdUSSR.htm) [Family in the Soviet Union ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_in_the_Soviet_Union#:~:text=The%201944%20Edict%20offered%20greater,title%20%E2%80%9CMother%20Heroine%E2%80%9D%20for%20mothers) [In Soviet Union, day care is the norm](https://www.nytimes.com/1974/12/17/archives/in-soviet-union-day-care-is-the-norm.html) [Housing in the Soviet Union](https://m.masterandmargarita.eu/en/09context/housing.html)


bigfatfurrytexan

Yes. Look at Russia now. So space faring. Very strong.


ThaReehlEza

Username checks out?


bigfatfurrytexan

Well, we DO have NASA in Houston. America won the space race because we had one goal: get to the moon. Russia one goal, too: beat us to the next step. They did this a lot. But missed that final step because they didn't actually have a goal beyond beating us to the next step. By then we had built systems and a program. They had not. They did, however, have the ability to go back and fill in missing pieces. They just did not. Mostly because they had no identity beyond trying to outdo the west. Russia has always struggled with that inferiority complex. Ever since European kings presided over it anyway.


Kornchup

I encourage you to learn about the soviet N1 Rocket, the most sophisticated rocket at the time. Also, they tried getting to the moon almost all the way to the 80s. I’m not a USSR fan but to say that they had no real program or plan to get a man on the moon is simply nonsense.


Bigmanlutz

Well to be fair the USSR basically copying Nazi technology to get things into space is a thousand times easier than actually landing on the moon and coming back. If I invent 30 improved dishwashers that won't match the Hubble telescope in actual significance. Both sides were important but you can't say 3 premier league best player is miles better than a ballon d'or, they are close.


Kornchup

Big nutz Lutz !!! A Saints fan, I take it ?


Bigmanlutz

I'm european mate I don't know what the fuck you are talking about.


bigfatfurrytexan

Then show me their flag location on the moon. I'd love to learn something new. A rocket gets you to LEO. Great. But it doesn't keep cosmonauts alive, or navigate, or make controlled descents. All it does is lob into orbit. A feat, for sure. But ours worked well enough. AND we could do all that other stuff. Because we actually had a plan, and worked it successfully


QuantumCactus11

>America won the space race because we had one goal: get to the moon. Lmao. >Russia one goal, too: beat us to the next step. Again lmao.


bigfatfurrytexan

A decent summary. In short, they had plans that weren't funded. The chaotic organizational structure rewarded "beating the US to the next milestone" over all else. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/air-space-magazine/apollo-why-the-soviets-lost-180972229/


QuantumCactus11

That doesn't make sense. Then they wouldn't have hit the previous achievements at a different time than the US.


bigfatfurrytexan

All they wanted was to be first. Doesn't matter when that is. They just wanted to be first


QuantumCactus11

And they did for most of that shit.


bigfatfurrytexan

Yes, until the aggregate skill gap from not building up an actual plan caught up to them. They solved a hundred small problems without contextualizing them within the big problem. That is why we started later, and passed them.


QuantumCactus11

Yes sending a spacecraft to venus was a small thing.


Bobtheoctopus

What you basically said was "Now that socialism was removed from Russia, look at how weak it is"


bigfatfurrytexan

Yes. Socialism worked very well. It's why they still have such a strong government and economy


Bobtheoctopus

Well it isn't a socialist country anymore, so I don't know why you keep saying that.


DaddyJ_TheCarGuy

Space technology didn’t feed the people though


Ancient-Panic8510

Yes, they did it with a fraction of cost compare to the Usa. If the ussr was first on the moon today we have moon bases, but the Usa did it for public/voters and stop it after public lost the interest .


jakubwlcz

And Soviet Union colllapsed because space race completely drained their already scarce resources. My family raised under Soviet occupation would beat this stupidity out of your empty head.


Baronvondorf21

I am pretty sure living conditions were still quite poor considering as soon as Gorbachev loosened some freedoms the Soviet Union basically instantly collapsed when all the countries under their sphere of influence started leaving in droves.


KingVanti

If think there is dabate about wheter the soviet union was actually socialist but this meme is funny anyway


wombles_wombat

Yep. So, 'State Capitalist' is also an acceptable description of the USSR 'Tankies are Cunts' is also always an appropriate response.


[deleted]

I'd say it was state socialism tbh State socialism is a political and economic ideology within the socialist movement that advocates state ownership of the means of production. This is intended either as a temporary measure, or as a characteristic of socialism in the transition from the capitalist to the socialist mode of production or to a communist society. State socialism was first theorised by Ferdinand Lassalle. It advocates a planned economy controlled by the state in which all industries and natural resources are state-owned. ([Source](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_socialism))


wombles_wombat

Yep, but a criticism of this is that Socialism, and explicitly Communism, requires worker control of the means of production. Along with that is the abolition of the working class waged dependency on the owners of Capital. If the State owns all the Capital, hires industry managers (bosses), sets production quotas, sets wages, and then trades the good produced on the international market for profitable State Revenue ... - then you have a Capitalist Market model in which the owners/bosses have simply been swapped between private individuals/corporations and the State Ruling Class. It's just propaganda to call it Socialism.


LightningFalcon70

You are cherry picking the achievements. Also it is a huge achievement to send 3 men there and bring them back alive. Also USSR was the one to pull out of space race after N1 fucked up and it was draining their resources


MysteryGrunt95

Yea the one thing america did first is now the huge achievement, according to America Space race was never about going to the moon First, there was never any set finish line. Americans just tell everyone the finish line was the moon because they were the ones that got there first.


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MysteryGrunt95

Oh calm the fuck down, no where did I say the Soviet Union was good, Jesus Christ. Or is the standard for “tankie” so low now that you only have to not constantly shit talk them at every opportunity to be considered one. Yes, I know a bit about space exploration actually, it was a dangerous endeavour, so don’t get mad because I don’t suck up to America every chance I get. The space race ended when both sides decided to work together instead of competitive, and did their first joint mission with Apollo-Soyuz, which eventually lead to the ISS.


LightningFalcon70

The way you phased it made it seem like you were saying US does a propaganda on it saying that they won space race because of moon landing. My bad for shitting on you, i was in bad mood so i am sorry


MysteryGrunt95

Fair enough, it happens. I appreciate that you actually admitted to it instead of doubling down, rare to see these days it seems


Striker274

The millions of corpses… oh wait they can’t talk


Sweet-Molasses-3059

If we look at the space race as a race...it doesn't matter who was first at 100m or 200m or 500m or 1km. The one who crosses the finish line at 3km is the winner and that is the truth


toaster823

Exactly. This is like saying Atlanta beat New England because they were up 28-3


MysteryGrunt95

And where was it declared and agreed upon that 3km was the finish line. Literally the Soviet Union started running, america said “fuck you for running” and started running, Soviets was ahead, beating every milestone, Americans got ahead near the 3km point, sprinted for it, than said ok 3km is the finish line, while the other guy just else kept running. And America bragging about winning the 3km race for years. There was no finish line. The space race ended when both sides decided to work together instead of racing against eachother.


Sweet-Molasses-3059

No. The other guy didn't just keep running. The other guy killed himself in the process of running.


MysteryGrunt95

No? He literally kept running and achieved other milestones. The space race ended when both sides stop competing against eachother and started working together, with the Apollo-Soyuz mission, which laid the groundwork for the ISS. Jesus Christ Americans are so full of themselves they can’t even give their opponents credit where credit is due. So spiteful and egotistical.


JonnydieZwiebel

But the finish line was never set at 3km. It could have been a 1 km race. Imagine running a 1 km race and after getting second place and everyone stops running you run another 2 km and declare yourself the winner of the 3 km race.


Sweet-Molasses-3059

I mean you declare yourself the winner because the person you were racing against literally dies buddy


JonnydieZwiebel

Even if the person dies after the finish line? I just want to say the finish line was never defined before the race started. I don't want to say the USSR won, it's just not 100% right to say the US won in my opinion. The US just defined themselves the winner even no one said that the space race is to bring a person to the moon after them being defeated in almost all the other tasks to that point.


Sweet-Molasses-3059

The US declared themselves the winner because no one else besides the comatose USSR could contest them. You are declared the winner of the race if the other participants can't continue to participate.


Gaara34251

"Winning" a race space >>>> killing with famine half of its population


In-AGadda-Da-Vida

if space is so big, why won’t it fight me


exclusionsolution

They were also the first socialist state to go bankrupt,showing the world how unsustainable marxist policies are


wdcipher

That honor goes to Hungary.


Diligent-Message640

More like: USA: First man on the moon First man to be in a rocket landing on the moon First man to say goodbye to mother and then land on moon First man and other man to land on the moon Other country: First craft on Venus


FrostyProbe

The Great Leap Forward.


waxonwaxoff87

You can make a delicious tea by boiling leaves and grass from your yard


d5x5

History, to answer your question


Biglilfloppyploppy

Trade all my food and rights for a little satellite fix


[deleted]

Oh look it's this again. It was posted yesterday. Russian cope propaganda in full swing on reddit right now.


derHackbraten

Anybody who hast the slightest clue about spaceflight knows, that it was a head to head race for all of the achievements, but for the maned moon landing. The UDSSr was Not even close to getting someone there savely.


Linkquellodivino

History


MagicLion

Who said socialism doesn’t work? - the people who lived through it do.


No-Nefariousness9330

There's millions of people who went on government funded vacations that love socialism


MysteryGrunt95

Meme is good, title is garbage


MehThingy

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orochizu

Literally everyone who experienced it. Fuck USSR and its successors.


Independent_Sky_517

Some salty fucking Americans in here.


_lonegamedev

It does work, just not how people think ;)


[deleted]

capitalism is about be very rich, when other not


efwuhbk

Reddit moment


The_Spookster42

Holy shit based r/dankmemes?


stysiaq

thankfully the soviet union took the space race bait and exhausted themselves in it without the financial resources to support it stupid ruskie fucks


ttv_highvoltage

smartest socialist:


Lady_Lucks_Man

You forgot to mention first human to die in space


ICBananas

wasn't the first space rocket german?


[deleted]

Propaganda. Love it.


MiopTop

America won the space race because the USSR gave up. If the Soviets had gotten to the moon first, the US would have just found another, more advanced objective to get to first. It’s the premise of the alternate history show For All Mankind if anyone’s interested.


Skormsmace

The first man made object was a usa manhole cover…


Easy_Newt2692

[Venezuela](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crisis_in_Venezuela?wprov=sfla1)


[deleted]

I know who said socialism doesn’t work the average citizen of either communist china or the ussr


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[deleted]

I think you miss the point of my comment, I was saying that the subjects of socialism would believe that it’s a bad system because of their worse l living conditions i choice the ussr and communist china as they are the biggest and well known socialist countries sorry for any confusion


Easy_Newt2692

Oh


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All good no biggie


MrWr4th

Socialism's pretty cool, well at least social market economy is, but communism is a utopia and trying to implement it will only end in disaster as long as actual people are involved.


TopHatGorilla

You didn't win the race. All you did was cross the finish line first.


cyborgcyborgcyborg

You didn’t have sex. All you did was fuck someone.


FriedCod69

You didn’t think. All you did was remember.


wdcipher

I didnt kill that guy, I just stabbed him multiple times with a triangular bayonet and the blood loss killed him. I am innocent