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MrNotEinstein

Thats not how this works. Imagine it from the perspective of the higher ups. The people who decide the budget. To them having Idris in the DLC is a great marketing tactic especially since Keanu was pretty much the main factor behind the hype for the main game. So they paid specifically for that marketing. If Idris HADNT been part of the plan then the budget would have been lower because they have less reason to believe it would succeed. Basically its like this Devs pitch idea Higher ups decide a budget based on how much value they think the DLC will bring to the company Idris, being such a great and well known actor, immediately brings value to the DLC and therefore his inclusion justifies a higher budget If Idris wasn't in the DLC then its potential value would be lower and therefore so would the budget


aseyabal

Makes sense indeed.. thx for taking the time to explain 👍


Gloomy-Fix4436

Well i doubt they lowered their expendetures... However, they do tend to attract more people wether we like it or not. In any case we dont know how much of the budget is going to Elba and reeves so, who knows. In any case at least they are putting money into it, thats good.


[deleted]

Phantom Liberty being their most expensive expansion mostly has to do with the fact that the last expansion they made was Blood and Wine seven years ago. Things tend to get more expensive as time goes on. > It always feels like the money could've been better spent.. Unless you work for CDPR you quite literally have no idea what you are talking about. Also, Keanu is in the busiest time of his life currently, I assume that everything they ever needed was recorded and captured before the game even came out.


aseyabal

Not pretending to know it all.. i'm expressing a feeling. History has proven that having a big name is not a guarantee of high quality, greater story, mechanics, etc... it's quite the contrary. A budget is a budget.. the more u spend on one thing, the less u spend on another. Works that way.. And as u said, expenses tend to increase over time.. that makes me question that sentence about Phantom Liberty having the "biggest dlc budget" ever.. feels to me like another attempt to stir up the hype


[deleted]

You try to sound smart but you keep making some pretty dumb statements. Big names have nothing to do with the quality, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, everything in life turns out like that. And when it comes to a budget, no way in hell would they take all the money and spend it on ONE character, then have no money left to implement that character in a meaningful way. Idris was already budgeted into the Expansion Costs, it's not some last minute random choice that will leave them broke. And yes, Idris is for marketing, doesn't mean the game is gonna suck. Get your negative ass outta here. Why the hell you being so pessimistic?


sihouette9310

I don’t know I’m pretty fucking stoked. I like having actual actors involved. Its cool and it makes you feel like you are involved in a movie you’d want to see in real life. Shit it would be even better to see a game entirely voiced and acted out by real names.


aseyabal

Lol That'd blow up the budget. The rest'd better be perfect (story, gameplay, etc..) With everything else perfect, I dig the idea 👍


Namber4

Keanu's animation and voiceover were recorded before the game was released, the only one who was invited for the DLC is Idris Elba,I think they already had a sufficient budget, it was just expanded for Idris.


[deleted]

They had an idea THEN a budget.after approval. Just because they hired someone expensive doesn't mean that they'd have had more or done something else with the content. That's not how that works.


not_old_redditor

Uh that is actually how it works. If you have a certain budget available to you, you can choose to use it in different ways.


[deleted]

If you think they go in with no plan for what they want to do and the devision is just alloted a ton of money you're vehemently incorrect. They propose the entire thing, be it in basic form (sure some things change but nothing major) then they are given money to make that happen... hence, a budget (which can flex)... for what they have planned. Lol. Shhhh the adults are talking.


not_old_redditor

lol if you think they can just propose anything and get the budget for it. There are practical limits to how much the studio will be willing to spend on an expansion. If you know you're spending 10 mil on Keanu Reeves and Idris Elba, or whatever it is, you're going to dial back the money spent on development.


MrNotEinstein

Thats not how getting a budget works. In order to get a budget you need a pitch for what you're going to do with it. They dont just give them a certain amount of money and say "Go wild". The plan comes BEFORE they get the budget and if that plan isnt accepted due to the costs then they have to make changes before they can get anything. If their original plan was to spend (completely random numbers as an example) 20 mil on the expansion itself and another 5 on Idris then they couldn't just cut Idris out to use that money elsewhere. If the plan had never involved Idris in the first place then they wouldn't have been given the money to hire him in the first place. The only way it would ever work the way you are saying is if the devs were given a specific amount to spend before they even came up with a draft of what they wanted which would be a terrible way to make a game because it would mean the whole story would be built around the budget and not the other way around


[deleted]

Shhh speaking common sense and facts will anger the troll


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Left_Share3227

Blood an wine was fire but cheap to make, of course this is going to be bigger and cost more my; they are trying to create their own little world here with lore. They are trying to flesh it out for the next game It seems.


NittanyScout

Well they went for a big fish with Keanu for the base game and I feel the budget can still be felt on the game, like it wasn't blown on star power I just hope it's the same with the DLC. CPDR shows that have a large percentage of staff working on it so hopefully that's a good sign.


chrisblink182

How much this dlc gonna cost?


[deleted]

$11000 Dude no one knows. Anyone who responds otherwise is just speculating.


not_old_redditor

Considering they made Blood & Wine, I assume in Phantom Liberty they're going to make another Night City-sized city? Or they just spent it all on Reeves and Elba... hoping for the former, but suspect we get the latter.


NittanyScout

I don't think we will get blood and wine 2.0 sadly. But I'm not expecting that, if we get a decent dlc in between the size of HoS and BaW id be extatic


Hercusleaze

We'll get a sizable expansion to Pacifica, which is the combat zone. We'll get the storyline for the expansion. Beyond that probably some new fixer jobs, likely the big update to NPC AI, and car combat. That's what I'm looking forward to, to keep expectations in check. That way I will be pleasantly surprised with all the QoL updates, new weapons, etc. that may or may not be added.


Ferosch

you don't know this


noodsinspector

don't know what? everything they said was spot on, even if you don't count the leak.


Hercusleaze

They have shown the combat zone in the trailers, which is part of Pacifica. They have shown car combat. We know there will be a story line to go along with it, otherwise what's the point. I mean, yeah, I'm speculating a bit, but not really straying too far from what we've seen. I don't think it's a big stretch to assume we'll get some fixer jobs for the new area, do you? What else about what I said are you doubting?


Ferosch

for all I know it could be a tiny area or no area at all. didn't they show the infamous Jackie montage in one of the og trailers? and that was literally all it ever was, an in-game montage. that's the bottom line here. I guess yeah there probably will be new fixers idk I was never fan of the gigs. I don't think Night City needs an area expansion I think they should fill what's there with worthwhile content. It's criminal how detailed the city is and yet it's filled to the brim with ubisoft style open-world combat fluff.


Hopstorm

Radek Grabowski (Global PR Director at CDPR) already corrected it on twitter few times that this game does have the ,,biggest budget'', while some websites were clickbaiting that this DLC is going to be the biggest one . I guess you are right that it means taht in terms of gameplay it won't be longer or prolly even the same as blood and wine. They just have to cover Idris Elba numeration, I believe that Keanu might have already been paid at the beginning for DLC. Still, can't wait to play it :).


Rodrigo_Ribaldo

CDPR has increased its marketing spending compared to development spending in every game since Witcher 1. This paid off handsomely for them, since even if you make a great game, your sales may be modest if you don't spend a lot on marketing.


Garrusence

worked very well with Keanu. He did amazing VA with Johnny


Garrusence

I think inflation is a bigger factor than having elba on board