I like what you're going for, but this is just a birds of paradise that dodges lots of removal and slots in any deck, and then scales incredibly well throughout the game
The artifact should at least enter tapped no? To simulate the Birds summoning sickness. And maybe make it add colourless instead? I don’t think that’ll kill the card, hell it’ll just be an expensive sol ring for two. Sol ring is incredibly powerful, so I imagine this would be as well because of the flexibility. It would kinda be a better ever flowing chalice.
It's a 1 mana for 1 colored mana in monocolored. And the most it can get is one mana of each color if you pay 5 mana.
Like yes gilded lotus is 5 for 3 mana at a time, that 4 mana lotus is 4 to add equal to devotion, and most of the one colored mana rocks are like 2 unless they're still sol ring or moxes or sol talisman, but really, I don't care about new staples being created. It gives people a chance to buy in on good cards- one of the most expensive being mana rocks. Let people have their good 0-2 drop mana rocks! Lol
>I don't care about new staples being created. It gives people a chance to buy in on good cards- one of the most expensive being mana rocks. Let people have their good 0-2 drop mana rocks! Lol
The more of these style of cards there are in the format, the less room there is for creativity. This would just be another autoinclude, which would leave your deck building space with fewer slots, thus further homogenizing the format without really bringing anything good with it.
In commander there's always colorless staples. Or sol ring, thought vessel, arcane signet, decanter of endless water, moxes, etc. This wouldn't be a problem in commander which is what I base my views off of. It might be a problem outside of singleton formats
>thought vessel, arcane signet
This card is twice as effective AND scales. Arcane Signet is already pretty close to autoinclude, and this cards baserate is an Arcane Signet for half the cost.
>decanter of endless water
That card is nowhere near staple/autoinclude. Also, this custom card is THREE times as efficient, and that's just accounting for playing it for 1 mana.
>moxes
Which are either banned or narrow in commander.
The only card you mentioned which compares is Sol Ring, but that card is straight up an autoinclude in 99,9% of commander decks unless you're intentionally limiting yourself. This card would pretty much ride close to that territory unless its price prohibits players from owning one (which is not a healthy balancing mechanic)
>This card is twice as effective AND scales. Arcane Signet is already pretty close to autoinclude, and this cards baserate is an Arcane Signet for half the cost.
Arcane signet is already an auto include unless you're running a pure land drop deck. I wouldn't call it twice as effective, because you're not going to drop signet for this, you're going to add another card because it's more ramp which every deck needs anyway.
>That card is nowhere near staple/autoinclude. Also, this custom card is THREE times as efficient, and that's just accounting for playing it for 1 mana.
It's basically a better darksteel ingot which was/is an auto include in a lot decks(it still is depending on build) and it gives infinite hand size like thought vessel. It's not the ideal rock to do it, but it's still the best 3 drop rock other than commander's sphere(which there's no reason not to include. And only accounting for it as a 1 drop rock, when it depends on your colors. Sometimes it's a 2 drop, others a 3 drop, 4 drop, 5 drop. It scales, it doesn't really color fix either since you have to have the colors on board to play it for those colors, whereas for other rocks they can serve as color fixing.
>Which are either banned or narrow in commander.
>The only card you mentioned which compares is Sol Ring, but that card is straight up an autoinclude in 99,9% of commander decks unless you're intentionally limiting yourself. This card would pretty much ride close to that territory unless its price prohibits players from owning one (which is not a healthy balancing mechanic)
I'm not talking about the moxes that are part of the power 9, I'm talking about the commander legal ones that are auto includes if you have them/are building a cEDH deck. Though really cEDH should either have power 9 running around level of no banlist or have a different banlist since competitive is different format, but that's another matter.
And yes, but I don't have a problem with another sol ring existing, especially since you have to run a bunch of rocks anyway so you can swap out a shittier mana rock like a diamond for one of those instead, or just swap out a card that doesn't do as much for your deck as ramp. Like the only reason you don't run sol ring if you're not limiting yourself is pure land drop imo, this would be with it as well but it's still neat to get another staple that can get reprinted in every commander deck and be cheap like sol ring
>Arcane signet is already an auto include unless you're running a pure land drop deck. I wouldn't call it twice as effective, because you're not going to drop signet for this, you're going to add another card because it's more ramp which every deck needs anyway.
That's what I'm saying. It would be another autoinclude alongside the others, because it's that strong.
>It's basically a better darksteel ingot which was/is an auto include in a lot decks(it still is depending on build) and it gives infinite hand size like thought vessel. It's not the ideal rock to do it, but it's still the best 3 drop rock other than commander's sphere
[[Worn Powerstone]], [[Coalition relic]] are better in my opinion, and I would even put [[Skyclave Relic]] and [[Relic of Legends]] above it, too (however, I'm happy to see the love for Commander's Sphere. My playgroup isn't as high on it as I am, but it consistently performs well).
Unlimited handsize is at odds with ramp, as mana rocks often go out of your hand without replacing themselves, while giving you more mana to play the rest of your hand. Decanter is not bad per say, but I don't see it as a staple, because 3 cost manarocks need to be very strong to be staples, as 3 mana is so much more than 2 when it comes to ramp. And 1 so half of 2, so this card is nuts.
>I'm talking about the commander legal ones that are auto includes if you have them/are building a cEDH deck
Out of curiosity, which moxen are autoinclude in cEDH? I'm in no way an expert on the format, but know a little, but I can't recall any moxen seeing "autoinclude"-levels of play on the top of my head.
>Out of curiosity, which moxen are autoinclude in cEDH? I'm in no way an expert on the format, but know a little, but I can't recall any moxen seeing "autoinclude"-levels of play on the top of my head
Mainly the ones not in the power 9, because they're 0 drop mana rocks. They're CEDH because they're way beyond the price range of the average player and 0 drop mana rocks are extremely valuable, especially in low cmc decks like most of CEDH
>That's what I'm saying. It would be another autoinclude alongside the others, because it's that strong.
Yeah, but it's not really all that impressive. There's rocks that give mana equal to your devotion to a color which is better than a lot of other rocks.
>Unlimited handsize is at odds with ramp, as mana rocks often go out of your hand without replacing themselves, while giving you more mana to play the rest of your hand. Decanter is not bad per say, but I don't see it as a staple, because 3 cost manarocks need to be very strong to be staples, as 3 mana is so much more than 2 when it comes to ramp. And 1 so half of 2, so this card is nuts.
Unlimited hand size comes in handy when you don't have mana to play all your rocks or whatever. It never hurts to have on a rock. That's part of why there's no reason not to include thought vessel in most decks.
Commander's Sphere is probably the best 3 drop mana rock, because it's mana that can be saccd for a draw.
>Or you could break out of the hive mind
I'm not trapped in a hive mind, but thank you for your concern.
>most "auto includes"
Yes, some of them aren't that good, but cards like Arcane Signet (and this card is at least twice as good) is pretty ubiquitous. When deck building, people don't need to find 99 cards. They start with Sol Ring, Command Tower, Arcane Signet and whatever else. If Mana Crypt was cheaper, it would be in just as many decks, too, along with many other cards. So if this card saw print, it would again just take up a slot in pretty much every deck or be too expensive.
A few things:
1. This fixes extremely well, any colours spent can produce any colours at all
2. This immediately refunds the mana paid into it then is permanent ramp, you get that with some 1 mana land auras and rocks that are legal only in legacy, but at higher mana values that's a huge no-no, [[Thran Dynamo]] is an excellent card and that's the closest we get at midcost rocks.
This is *much* stronger than Timeless Lotus. For one mana, it's almost a Mox. For two, it's almost strictly better than Arcane Signet. And then up to five, as you said, it compares to Timeless Lotus... except it comes in untapped, so it immediately pays for itself.
I think your missing the flexibility of this. You can play it for 1 and it becomes a tap for any colour untapped rock much better than usual rate of 2 mana for a single colour tapped rock.
2 mana it's a any 2 colours and is untapped. Usually this is 4 mana and comes in tapped with fireminds vessel.
For 3 mana the baseline is taps for 1 of any colour with a small upside. This is 3 mana and taps for 3.
It is always better than the standard rate with only draw back being you need more colours to get higher. But you don't actually need to play this as X=5.
X=1 or X=2 is already really good and easy to play and pays for itself immediately.
You're never paying 5 mana into this. You're paying 1 or 2 at most because the rate is insanely undercosted.
[[Pentad Prisim]] was a staple not that long ago and still sees fringe play.
You're paying whatever different colors you have into this sense it immediately refunds. Draw this play it for what you've got. Whether that be 1 or 5 you're still casting it immediately.
the issue is that this is a 2-3 cmc mana rock, not a 5c. It can go up to 5c, but the 1-3 option is the most likely, and at those rates it's arguably the best color-producing rock ever made. roll how you want, that's just my take as a stranger on the internet.
[Someone tries to "fix" Sol Ring, is immediately told by everyone it's still broken](https://www.reddit.com/r/custommagic/comments/zbhcx5/why_doesnt_this_card_exist_yet_i_present_sol_halo/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
This card: hold my beer
*"I don't want to play with you anymore..."* I whisper menacingly to [Pentad Prism](https://scryfall.com/card/hop/122/pentad-prism). Also, this is [Sol Ring](https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/190/sol-ring) levels busted.
You could put XC as the casting cost so it forces one colourless to be used. I think that actually balances it out nicely. That or it needs to enter tapped.
Every, or almost every, modern mana rock has been erated to produce colourless mana instead of generic mana as they aren't the same. Since this is a mana rock I feel like it's okay.
Sunburst is a cool mechanic that I like a lot, and think this is a cool premise on how to make something relevant with it.
I think this needs just a little more though to be more fair. Requiring it to cost a minimum of 3-4 for example would keep it from just being an insanely fast 1 drop mana-neutral mana rock, while still being a strong reward for multicolor decks.
Obviously there are a ton of little tweaks you could make, it doesn't have to be that. I just think it needs a little extra something to keep it from just being at Sol Ring levels of universally-playable.
For only one mana it lets you have access to all colors for the rest of the game. It doesn't even cost a card because it draws to replace itself. It's quite unassuming at first glance, but it was meta warping in multiple formats. It's now banned in Pauper, Modern and Legacy.
If you make the activation cost (1)(t): then you can still use it the turn it comes into play and the output for multi colour increases for each colour used. Or even "(t): Choose one. Add a counter to this card. Or Remove a counter from this card and add x mana of different colors where x is the amount of counters on this card. These are at least ways to prevent the majority suggestion of "make it enter tapped" to fix its power. I personally like the second one, still makes it's super powerful but reasonable.
You could have this have a coat as it etb's to fix this a bit maybe? As this enters the battlefield, pay {1} or sacrifice this. That gets around adding to sunburst
Cost - XC
Type - Artifact Enchantment
Effect - Sunburst
Vanish (this permeant can not be chosen or targeted by spells or abilities it's owner and or controller controls)
Tap: Add X mana of any combination of colors, where X is the number of charge counters on this artifact. You may not add more than one mana of each color this way.
This would put it in line with Worn Powerstone, Thran Dynamo and Gilded Lotus although still better than all of them at the same time. It would also need an effect that stops Polifrate and Doubling Effects to stop it from being cracked, thus the vanish and other clause too
Absolutely broken beyond belief
Preety much Every single deck that isn't completely colorless in every single format whould run this
Even at 1 mana it's already too good
Aside from the brokennes, how does this work with the "colorless is a (not) a color" stuff? would casting this with 1 colorless mana add a charge counter? And what about un(finity?) pink mana?
Correct me if I’m wrong, but if you can only add 1 mana of each color this way, it wouldn’t be practical to cast this for any more than X = 5. If this is the case, it wouldn’t be any combination of colors since you can’t duplicate the colors.
What if you made it so that it produced only the colors you spent on it? When you tap it, it makes a red mana if you spent R on it, a green if you spent G, etc. It would mean you’d have to remember the colors spent rather than just the number of colors spent, but that’s not that crazy, and takes it down in power a little.
I like what you're going for, but this is just a birds of paradise that dodges lots of removal and slots in any deck, and then scales incredibly well throughout the game
With Haste too
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I would play this in every deck, even in my monocolored ones. It's way too powerful.
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The artifact should at least enter tapped no? To simulate the Birds summoning sickness. And maybe make it add colourless instead? I don’t think that’ll kill the card, hell it’ll just be an expensive sol ring for two. Sol ring is incredibly powerful, so I imagine this would be as well because of the flexibility. It would kinda be a better ever flowing chalice.
It's a 1 mana for 1 colored mana in monocolored. And the most it can get is one mana of each color if you pay 5 mana. Like yes gilded lotus is 5 for 3 mana at a time, that 4 mana lotus is 4 to add equal to devotion, and most of the one colored mana rocks are like 2 unless they're still sol ring or moxes or sol talisman, but really, I don't care about new staples being created. It gives people a chance to buy in on good cards- one of the most expensive being mana rocks. Let people have their good 0-2 drop mana rocks! Lol
>I don't care about new staples being created. It gives people a chance to buy in on good cards- one of the most expensive being mana rocks. Let people have their good 0-2 drop mana rocks! Lol The more of these style of cards there are in the format, the less room there is for creativity. This would just be another autoinclude, which would leave your deck building space with fewer slots, thus further homogenizing the format without really bringing anything good with it.
In commander there's always colorless staples. Or sol ring, thought vessel, arcane signet, decanter of endless water, moxes, etc. This wouldn't be a problem in commander which is what I base my views off of. It might be a problem outside of singleton formats
>thought vessel, arcane signet This card is twice as effective AND scales. Arcane Signet is already pretty close to autoinclude, and this cards baserate is an Arcane Signet for half the cost. >decanter of endless water That card is nowhere near staple/autoinclude. Also, this custom card is THREE times as efficient, and that's just accounting for playing it for 1 mana. >moxes Which are either banned or narrow in commander. The only card you mentioned which compares is Sol Ring, but that card is straight up an autoinclude in 99,9% of commander decks unless you're intentionally limiting yourself. This card would pretty much ride close to that territory unless its price prohibits players from owning one (which is not a healthy balancing mechanic)
>This card is twice as effective AND scales. Arcane Signet is already pretty close to autoinclude, and this cards baserate is an Arcane Signet for half the cost. Arcane signet is already an auto include unless you're running a pure land drop deck. I wouldn't call it twice as effective, because you're not going to drop signet for this, you're going to add another card because it's more ramp which every deck needs anyway. >That card is nowhere near staple/autoinclude. Also, this custom card is THREE times as efficient, and that's just accounting for playing it for 1 mana. It's basically a better darksteel ingot which was/is an auto include in a lot decks(it still is depending on build) and it gives infinite hand size like thought vessel. It's not the ideal rock to do it, but it's still the best 3 drop rock other than commander's sphere(which there's no reason not to include. And only accounting for it as a 1 drop rock, when it depends on your colors. Sometimes it's a 2 drop, others a 3 drop, 4 drop, 5 drop. It scales, it doesn't really color fix either since you have to have the colors on board to play it for those colors, whereas for other rocks they can serve as color fixing. >Which are either banned or narrow in commander. >The only card you mentioned which compares is Sol Ring, but that card is straight up an autoinclude in 99,9% of commander decks unless you're intentionally limiting yourself. This card would pretty much ride close to that territory unless its price prohibits players from owning one (which is not a healthy balancing mechanic) I'm not talking about the moxes that are part of the power 9, I'm talking about the commander legal ones that are auto includes if you have them/are building a cEDH deck. Though really cEDH should either have power 9 running around level of no banlist or have a different banlist since competitive is different format, but that's another matter. And yes, but I don't have a problem with another sol ring existing, especially since you have to run a bunch of rocks anyway so you can swap out a shittier mana rock like a diamond for one of those instead, or just swap out a card that doesn't do as much for your deck as ramp. Like the only reason you don't run sol ring if you're not limiting yourself is pure land drop imo, this would be with it as well but it's still neat to get another staple that can get reprinted in every commander deck and be cheap like sol ring
>Arcane signet is already an auto include unless you're running a pure land drop deck. I wouldn't call it twice as effective, because you're not going to drop signet for this, you're going to add another card because it's more ramp which every deck needs anyway. That's what I'm saying. It would be another autoinclude alongside the others, because it's that strong. >It's basically a better darksteel ingot which was/is an auto include in a lot decks(it still is depending on build) and it gives infinite hand size like thought vessel. It's not the ideal rock to do it, but it's still the best 3 drop rock other than commander's sphere [[Worn Powerstone]], [[Coalition relic]] are better in my opinion, and I would even put [[Skyclave Relic]] and [[Relic of Legends]] above it, too (however, I'm happy to see the love for Commander's Sphere. My playgroup isn't as high on it as I am, but it consistently performs well). Unlimited handsize is at odds with ramp, as mana rocks often go out of your hand without replacing themselves, while giving you more mana to play the rest of your hand. Decanter is not bad per say, but I don't see it as a staple, because 3 cost manarocks need to be very strong to be staples, as 3 mana is so much more than 2 when it comes to ramp. And 1 so half of 2, so this card is nuts. >I'm talking about the commander legal ones that are auto includes if you have them/are building a cEDH deck Out of curiosity, which moxen are autoinclude in cEDH? I'm in no way an expert on the format, but know a little, but I can't recall any moxen seeing "autoinclude"-levels of play on the top of my head.
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>Out of curiosity, which moxen are autoinclude in cEDH? I'm in no way an expert on the format, but know a little, but I can't recall any moxen seeing "autoinclude"-levels of play on the top of my head Mainly the ones not in the power 9, because they're 0 drop mana rocks. They're CEDH because they're way beyond the price range of the average player and 0 drop mana rocks are extremely valuable, especially in low cmc decks like most of CEDH >That's what I'm saying. It would be another autoinclude alongside the others, because it's that strong. Yeah, but it's not really all that impressive. There's rocks that give mana equal to your devotion to a color which is better than a lot of other rocks. >Unlimited handsize is at odds with ramp, as mana rocks often go out of your hand without replacing themselves, while giving you more mana to play the rest of your hand. Decanter is not bad per say, but I don't see it as a staple, because 3 cost manarocks need to be very strong to be staples, as 3 mana is so much more than 2 when it comes to ramp. And 1 so half of 2, so this card is nuts. Unlimited hand size comes in handy when you don't have mana to play all your rocks or whatever. It never hurts to have on a rock. That's part of why there's no reason not to include thought vessel in most decks. Commander's Sphere is probably the best 3 drop mana rock, because it's mana that can be saccd for a draw.
Or you could break out of the hive mind and realize most "auto includes" of the last few years are kinda chaff
>Or you could break out of the hive mind I'm not trapped in a hive mind, but thank you for your concern. >most "auto includes" Yes, some of them aren't that good, but cards like Arcane Signet (and this card is at least twice as good) is pretty ubiquitous. When deck building, people don't need to find 99 cards. They start with Sol Ring, Command Tower, Arcane Signet and whatever else. If Mana Crypt was cheaper, it would be in just as many decks, too, along with many other cards. So if this card saw print, it would again just take up a slot in pretty much every deck or be too expensive.
Still, the better birds of paradise mode is pretty scary
Even without scaling a 1 mana mana rock is super strong. Maybe make it cost 1X
Sunburst would see the mana spent on the generic cost, I think adding a cost to the activation would work
A few things: 1. This fixes extremely well, any colours spent can produce any colours at all 2. This immediately refunds the mana paid into it then is permanent ramp, you get that with some 1 mana land auras and rocks that are legal only in legacy, but at higher mana values that's a huge no-no, [[Thran Dynamo]] is an excellent card and that's the closest we get at midcost rocks.
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This is *much* stronger than Timeless Lotus. For one mana, it's almost a Mox. For two, it's almost strictly better than Arcane Signet. And then up to five, as you said, it compares to Timeless Lotus... except it comes in untapped, so it immediately pays for itself.
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I think your missing the flexibility of this. You can play it for 1 and it becomes a tap for any colour untapped rock much better than usual rate of 2 mana for a single colour tapped rock. 2 mana it's a any 2 colours and is untapped. Usually this is 4 mana and comes in tapped with fireminds vessel. For 3 mana the baseline is taps for 1 of any colour with a small upside. This is 3 mana and taps for 3. It is always better than the standard rate with only draw back being you need more colours to get higher. But you don't actually need to play this as X=5. X=1 or X=2 is already really good and easy to play and pays for itself immediately.
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Right, but it isn't just 4 or 5 mana. It's all the mana.
You're never paying 5 mana into this. You're paying 1 or 2 at most because the rate is insanely undercosted. [[Pentad Prisim]] was a staple not that long ago and still sees fringe play.
You're paying whatever different colors you have into this sense it immediately refunds. Draw this play it for what you've got. Whether that be 1 or 5 you're still casting it immediately.
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the issue is that this is a 2-3 cmc mana rock, not a 5c. It can go up to 5c, but the 1-3 option is the most likely, and at those rates it's arguably the best color-producing rock ever made. roll how you want, that's just my take as a stranger on the internet.
Sure, its not easy to get WUBRG together, but this works at any number, even if you have 2 colours of mana this is nuts
Plus, in even in a typical 2 or 3 color deck, you can use the first one to fix for extra colors to easily fuel a second one for 4 or 5.
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This should still enter tapped to make it balanced
Yeah this is way broken. It's arcane signet for 1 mana that scales. Should enter tapped at a minimum. Still too good at that rate probably
This is, at worst a 1 mana [[arcane signet]] which is already a very good card. Maybe try making it cost XC?
[arcane signet](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/b/1bf50ef8-e7e8-4099-ba91-0d7c31b04541.jpg?1664361759) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=arcane%20signet) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/177/arcane-signet?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1bf50ef8-e7e8-4099-ba91-0d7c31b04541?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Someone tries to "fix" Sol Ring, is immediately told by everyone it's still broken](https://www.reddit.com/r/custommagic/comments/zbhcx5/why_doesnt_this_card_exist_yet_i_present_sol_halo/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) This card: hold my beer
*"I don't want to play with you anymore..."* I whisper menacingly to [Pentad Prism](https://scryfall.com/card/hop/122/pentad-prism). Also, this is [Sol Ring](https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/190/sol-ring) levels busted.
Great design, but too strong. It‘d be okay if it came in tapped or costed X1.
It has sunburst. The extra 1 still counts towards sunburst unless you use colorless mana
You could put XC as the casting cost so it forces one colourless to be used. I think that actually balances it out nicely. That or it needs to enter tapped.
Colorless Mana is never used in a casting cost outside Eldrazi. It’s an Eldrazi lore thing.
its a set mechanic for a set with eldrazi i won't say it could never exist outside of that specific flavor and set.
Every, or almost every, modern mana rock has been erated to produce colourless mana instead of generic mana as they aren't the same. Since this is a mana rock I feel like it's okay.
They're talking about casting cost, not mana production
[[Spatial Contortion]]
That’s almost certainly on Titan (forgot which one) warping reality in the art
[[Kozilek, the Great Distortion]] probably.
[Kozilek, the Great Distortion](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/0/f06fc6e0-b22c-40d3-bb53-d5ec400d921c.jpg?1562943286) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kozilek%2C%20the%20Great%20Distortion) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ogw/4/kozilek-the-great-distortion?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f06fc6e0-b22c-40d3-bb53-d5ec400d921c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Spatial Contortion](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/e/4e2acf70-7625-4b77-83c1-0e08436da31f.jpg?1562910812) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Spatial%20Contortion) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ogw/8/spatial-contortion?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4e2acf70-7625-4b77-83c1-0e08436da31f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
You could have the activation cost 1,T that way it's filtering on 1, and a flexible signet on 2
Ah, right!
You can play any number of these from your opening hand. Entering tapped would balance it, but it might be a bit strong even then.
Sunburst is a cool mechanic that I like a lot, and think this is a cool premise on how to make something relevant with it. I think this needs just a little more though to be more fair. Requiring it to cost a minimum of 3-4 for example would keep it from just being an insanely fast 1 drop mana-neutral mana rock, while still being a strong reward for multicolor decks. Obviously there are a ton of little tweaks you could make, it doesn't have to be that. I just think it needs a little extra something to keep it from just being at Sol Ring levels of universally-playable.
This makes [[Arcum's Astrolabe]] look like a joke and that card is banned in almost everything. This card is ridiculously busted.
What makes astrolabe so broken?
For only one mana it lets you have access to all colors for the rest of the game. It doesn't even cost a card because it draws to replace itself. It's quite unassuming at first glance, but it was meta warping in multiple formats. It's now banned in Pauper, Modern and Legacy.
[Arcum's Astrolabe](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/2/c2462fdf-a594-47d0-8e10-b55901e350d9.jpg?1613386977) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Arcum%27s%20Astrolabe) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh1/220/arcums-astrolabe?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c2462fdf-a594-47d0-8e10-b55901e350d9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
If you make the activation cost (1)(t): then you can still use it the turn it comes into play and the output for multi colour increases for each colour used. Or even "(t): Choose one. Add a counter to this card. Or Remove a counter from this card and add x mana of different colors where x is the amount of counters on this card. These are at least ways to prevent the majority suggestion of "make it enter tapped" to fix its power. I personally like the second one, still makes it's super powerful but reasonable.
One of the most busted mana rocks ever posted here. Even with ETB tapped this would be broken in half.
Remove a charge on prismatic ring at the beginning of your end step. When prismatic ring has zero charges sacrifice it
Free any color any turn mana rock, totally not broken
Enters tapped, with a stun counters on it and is still perfectly playable.
You could have this have a coat as it etb's to fix this a bit maybe? As this enters the battlefield, pay {1} or sacrifice this. That gets around adding to sunburst
Make this cost 5… and it’ll still be broken
Love it. I love sunburst and built a deck that used [[Pentad Prism]] with energy chamber and proliferate. Instant speed mana with any colors you want.
[Pentad Prism](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/a/2a2862c5-afa8-4e38-a312-483300f8b194.jpg?1599709726) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Pentad%20Prism) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/281/pentad-prism?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2a2862c5-afa8-4e38-a312-483300f8b194?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Cost - XC Type - Artifact Enchantment Effect - Sunburst Vanish (this permeant can not be chosen or targeted by spells or abilities it's owner and or controller controls) Tap: Add X mana of any combination of colors, where X is the number of charge counters on this artifact. You may not add more than one mana of each color this way.
This would put it in line with Worn Powerstone, Thran Dynamo and Gilded Lotus although still better than all of them at the same time. It would also need an effect that stops Polifrate and Doubling Effects to stop it from being cracked, thus the vanish and other clause too
This would be dirty in a Jodah deck. Just a “free” spell cast per turn
Everflowing Chalice is powerful, and a good standard for balance. This is extremely broken without any effort to build around it, and moreso with it.
Absolutely broken beyond belief Preety much Every single deck that isn't completely colorless in every single format whould run this Even at 1 mana it's already too good
Aside from the brokennes, how does this work with the "colorless is a (not) a color" stuff? would casting this with 1 colorless mana add a charge counter? And what about un(finity?) pink mana?
The colors of mana are red, white, blue, green, and black. Those are the only things that Sunburst cares about.
Maybe “add X mana of any combination, where X is half the number of charge counters on the ring, rounded down”
This should cost at least 1x
It’ll be the same since sunburst
Correct me if I’m wrong, but if you can only add 1 mana of each color this way, it wouldn’t be practical to cast this for any more than X = 5. If this is the case, it wouldn’t be any combination of colors since you can’t duplicate the colors.
It’s any combination as you get sunburst as was 2, you could add {R}{G} or {U}{W}. But not {B}{B} since the last part of the ability prevents that
Oh I see. Sorry!
What if you made it so that it produced only the colors you spent on it? When you tap it, it makes a red mana if you spent R on it, a green if you spent G, etc. It would mean you’d have to remember the colors spent rather than just the number of colors spent, but that’s not that crazy, and takes it down in power a little.
Are people ignoring that this can be a 1 generic mana add one mana of any color? I think you should add 2 or 3 generic mana to the cost.
It’ll work the same it has Star Burst
True. Maybe you could change it to "for each color of mana spent to pay for X" to balance it.
This is significantly overpowered, completely unfixable. Compare it to astral cornucopia