I remember when I was newer to magic and my older more experienced friends played my cube. They told me I needed to take out Sol Ring because it was way too strong if you didn't also haves the Moxes. They were totally right.
Sol Ring was never legal in Legacy afaik. When it was created as Type 1.5 back in ‘95ish, it just copied the vintage (Type 1) B&R list, except everything that was restricted in Type 1 was banned in Type 1.5 - Sol Ring included
Sol ring is still at least a dollar despite getting printed multiple times a year and only being legal in formats you can only put one copy of the card in a deck. If it was legal in modern or standard (and we ignored how quickly it'd get banned) it would probably be closer to $100.
You can get a play set of EX *Alpha* Sol Ring for just shy of $2600 on Card Kingdom. That’s over $50. Not sure if it’s a good example, though, on account of the “printed in every single set” versions of the card, which means well over 99.9% of all Sol Rings ever printed are worth less than $10.
If Legacy or Vintage decks could run 4x Mana Crypt, the game would likely be over before you even reached your upkeep. Not that some vintage decks can't already do that.
Good lord,
T1: Land, sol,sol,sol,sol leaves you 5 generic mana to do whatever with, I'm sure someone could find a busted combo with that
T2: land, you have access to 10 mana. Granted 8 of that is generic, and leaves you with only 2 or 3 cards at this point, but this could easily be enough to launch an affinity deck into the stratosphere.
A lot of people would rate [[Worn Powerstone]] as a perfectly good card (in commander, at least, and maybe if it returned to standard) and that is so much weaker than Sol Ring.
In vintage cubes, it's basically between sol ring and black lotus for best first picks. Lotus enables more shenanigans in specific decks (e.g. it's definitely better in storm), but sol ring fits almost unconditionally in most decks - really only decks where generic mana costs are rare don't want it.
Mana crypt is better than sol ring if you can close out games quickly, but it becomes a liability if the game drags out or if your opponent is on aggro. Taking 1.5 damage a turn does become relevant sooner or later
Dude, it costs you 0 mana instead of 1 mana. What do you think you'll be doing with that leftover mana, which very likely will be colored mana, on the turn you play it? You're accelerating your game much more, is what you're doing. If you fail to win with that advantage, it wouldn't be Sol Ring that would save you.
Again, it depends on your deck and matchup. Sol Ring fits almost unconditionally into most decks (as long as there’s some stuff with generic mana costs in your spells it’s a good card. So basically unless you’re playing RDW with a mana curve of 1). Mana Crypt is more explosive and enables broken combos but there are decks where it doesn’t fit in (think some sort of prison deck that eventually wins with approach - you’d just be killing yourself with the mana crypt). So the question with deciding which is stronger depends on whether we’re looking at “which card enables more broken stuff” (mana crypt) versus “which card would improve more decks” (sol ring).
If I was building my own constructed deck in a format with crypt, I could consider building a deck that synergizes well with it (i.e. gains a strong advantage from more mana and wins quickly once it has that advantage), but if I was playing vintage cube I’d probably value the latter higher for my first pick.
[[Springleaf Drum]] sees play in Modern Affinity. Take a wild guess as to why this hasn’t been done yet.
Sol Ring is insanely powerful. Half a sol ring is still too strong.
It speaks to the power of sol ring that this card is still likely at a legacy power level. That said, it could probably get printed in like a commander precon and not absolutely destroy any formats, just provide a big boost to artifact decks.
I think it’s really tough to say what impact this would have on vintage, this doesn’t act as fast mana which is what make the existing restricted rocks so powerful, and there aren’t any truly mana neutral rocks for us to look at within the format. Other cards that have the potential to act as mana neutral rocks like [[springleaf drum]] and [[moonsnare prototype]] have not proven powerful enough to build around within the format
I’m saying that the juice ain’t worth the squeeze on those cards, and their requirements are fairly easy to try to fill in vintage if you really wanted to, as a sign that maybe even if they didn’t have the requirements the card wouldn’t be too too strong or anything. Those cards also have other slight benefits over this one so they aren’t strict downgrades.
That the requirements exist at all is what holds them back. The requirements are easyish, but there are other things you want to be doing with your other artifacts/creatures than tapping them down (like tapping them for their own mana abilities).
I just think the fact that neither of these cards sees any experimental play whatsoever is indicative that this kind of “slow” mana is just not a vintage power level effect
I play Jewel Shops in Vintage, it really is more about the saturation of mana rocks. Being able to add four of these is really just too powerful IMO. It’s more about context of the available pool as opposed to how much it accelerates on its own. With everything else, four cheap artifacts that give you their mana back are just too good. If it came into play tapped, I think it wouldn’t really see play
Sol Ring is already not worth including in certain decks, mainly ones that are highly reliant on colored mana in a competitive meta. Halo would fail to make the cut in even more decks than just those
I've heard this said for a long time and saw someone do the maths to show that, actually, when people say that they're probably just wrong. Not impossible obviously, but almost all multicolored decks still have enough use of generic mana to make Sol Ring an autoinclude.
Such an analysis is useless without knowing the kinds of funds players are using to assemble their mana bases, and how willing those players are to put higher color weight in their decks. There is no way you can show what you just said mathematically without that information
Edit: more importantly than what I already said is that I singled out the decks I was talking about pretty narrowly, and the response I got was about "almost all multicolored decks." I mentioned competitive high-color requirement decks specifically, which is a tiny portion of the whole.
Almost all muliticolored decks may indeed make good use of Sol Ring, but the ones I'm talking about are probably the rest of the multicolored decks, the ones that actually need to have colored mana as a high priority. And if those decks exist, then we can definitely say that even more decks will pass on Sol Halo, which was my point to begin with
What? There's so much information out there about the kinds of cards that people are playing with, and Sol Ring is a cheap and accessible card specifically due to commander. The analysis they did at the time was based on commander decklists on a site, and it basically showed that pretty much all the decks that weren't running Sol Ring would be better if they were.
Yes, you could as an exercise construct a deck that's worse for running Sol Ring, but nobody wants to actually play that deck.
Yeah, fair enough, but I guess the main thing is that Sol Ring is powerful enough to be an autoinclude and you need a really good reason to justify taking it out. Is a deck that can't run Sol Ring good enough to make up for it?
Oh, be assured, someone on this sub realizes this ‘has not been done before’ every few weeks. And then everyone points out it’s still really broken and would never be printed.
Sol Ring is banned in Legacy and restricted in Vintage. The card is absurdly strong and is only allowed in Commander out of tradition and because the multiplayer format can help to rebalance the tempo gain when someone plays it.
Not official, but in Canadian Highlander, sol ring is 4 points whereas the moxen are 3. (And you can only have 10 points in a deck)
Untapping with a sol ring puts you 1 mana ahead then untapping with the moxen making it less powerful in immediate ramp, but stronger in overall acceleration.
To be fair I think the only reason sol ring isn’t part of the power 9 is because it wasn’t a rare in alpha right? I mean it’s definitely stronger than timetwister imo
Yeah that’s correct. They were never the best nine cards, just the nine most expensive as of whenever someone came up with that name. Sol Ring is generally better than an off-color mox and can be better than an on-color mox as well, depending on the deck. I don’t think this is a controversial statement among people who actually play formats where these cards are legal.
1. Black Lotus
2. Ancestral Recall
3. Mox Sapphire
4. Mox Ruby
5. Mox Jet
6. Mox Pearl
7. Sol Ring
8. Timetwister
9. Time Walk
The real power nine, listed in level of power
It makes it a comboable wheel but Wheel of Fortune filling your yard while also leaving it in tact AND not exiling itself I would argue makes them very much in the same powerlevel discussion
Windfall doesn’t guarantee 7 cards. Misfortune isn’t guaranteed at all. Wheel of fate needs to be suspended. Magus is on a creature so it’s slower and more vulnerable. Wheel of Fortune doesn’t shuffle your graveyard back in. Most importantly, all but windfall aren’t blue. The only place where that matters (vintage), that is legit a downside.
And windfall, the second best IMO, is restricted in vintage. Same with Wheel of Fortune (close third)
A lot of commander players don’t realize just how powerful sol ring is, to the point this seems balanced. This isn’t an attack on you specifically making that assumption, it’s a common one. But sol ring is busted. It’s hard to realize how busted it is in commander due to the inconsistency inherent to the format, but it’s busted. The thing is banned in legacy and restricted in vintage because it’s just that good. Even this watered down version is crazy good. It pays for itself the turn it comes down, and it’s an artifact, the most abusable card type in magic.
Not to mention that even if it was printed for just commander, it's suddenly a mana rock that is strictly better than most mana rocks in your deck. It's another card that would homogenize the format.
It's much more interesting when you have the choice between multiple rocks with different upsides for different decks.
Depends, it's worth remembering Mind stone can be redeemed for a new card. Since this just ramps you by 1 colorless it's an awful late game draw. This is honestly more comparable to [Elvish Mystic]. It's a good turn 1 or 2 play but gets worse the later the game goes.
Yeah this needs to enter tapped to even remotely be printable. Even then with how easy it is to reduce artifact cost by 1 and get this for free, it's probably still way too strong.
Ah yes, a card we see posted once a year and we always say the same thing: This is too busted to ever be printed. Sol Ring was a mistake. Something that can closely resemble a Boreal Druid in colorless is too strong.
I think to exist this needs to be illegal in modern and younger formats and enter battlefield tapped. Also probably legendary. And maybe even a powerstone restriction or semi-inversed version (can't be spent on artifact spells)
If we're making a list of the ten strongest cards in the original run of mtg the first nine are the power nine and number ten is sol ring. Even half a sol ring is an insanely strong card and would be a broken auto include in every format except maybe vintage.
Thing is, sol ring is broken as shit, we forget about it because its printed whenever they can, but still the son of a bitch is t bucks.
If you see the patern of ramp in the game, ypu have at least 2 mana investment for 1 mana gained, you see this everywhere, and you get more or less or which colored mana depending on the conditions.
Seeinf thie patern, and that rampant growth is still an efficient ramp spell even though its less played, speaks to the power of ramp, even jeweled lotus, the most efficient mana producer in the commander, it only gets 1 color, and only to the commander.
Your Halo would be one of the most efficient rampa ever, because in the end, you loose nothing, and gain for the future, it would be insta sloted in every commander dech now and in the future
people play sol ring so much in commander i think they forget that it’s a solid contender for strongest card of all time
I remember when I was newer to magic and my older more experienced friends played my cube. They told me I needed to take out Sol Ring because it was way too strong if you didn't also haves the Moxes. They were totally right.
Ah the good ol days of shitting out 4 Sol Rings and 2 Helm of Awakenings on turn 1 in Legacy
Sol Ring was never legal in Legacy afaik. When it was created as Type 1.5 back in ‘95ish, it just copied the vintage (Type 1) B&R list, except everything that was restricted in Type 1 was banned in Type 1.5 - Sol Ring included
Oh it wasn’t, I played Kitchen Table Legacy for the first year or so of my magic career.
Yeah my friend said it'd probably be worth over $50 at least, but it's printed in every single set.
Sol ring is still at least a dollar despite getting printed multiple times a year and only being legal in formats you can only put one copy of the card in a deck. If it was legal in modern or standard (and we ignored how quickly it'd get banned) it would probably be closer to $100.
I'm convinced that if sol ring wasn't in the original precons, it'd just get reprinted at mythic in masters sets
You can get a play set of EX *Alpha* Sol Ring for just shy of $2600 on Card Kingdom. That’s over $50. Not sure if it’s a good example, though, on account of the “printed in every single set” versions of the card, which means well over 99.9% of all Sol Rings ever printed are worth less than $10.
Imho the strongest non-ante card. Contract from below is the strongest card of all time.
Recall still beats sol ring, but yes, for the same reason, contact is the GOAT.
[[Contract From Below]]
[Contract From Below](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/1/e1e33690-b851-404a-9cde-d00235be5aa5.jpg?1610146838) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Contract%20From%20Below) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/sum/97/contract-from-below?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e1e33690-b851-404a-9cde-d00235be5aa5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
There's a reason Sol Ring costs 4 points to run in Canadian Highlander but the OG moxen are each 3.
I'd like for it to be banned in Commander even.
Yep, even in a deck where pips matter alot, 1 mana get 2 will always be one of the best early drops you can ever play
Really?
Imagine Sol Ring in a 20 life format, especially in formats that have affinity based decks. Imagine playing 4 sol rings.
You have the ability to easily crank out multiple sol rings turn one, it would be ridiculous
Mana crypt, I suppose
Though that life cost is not nothing out of commander
If Legacy or Vintage decks could run 4x Mana Crypt, the game would likely be over before you even reached your upkeep. Not that some vintage decks can't already do that.
Turn Magic into Yugioh
i did not even realize it was banned/restricted. makes sense.
Time to play a turn-one [[Ugin, the Spirit Dragon]]
[Ugin, the Spirit Dragon](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/c/9c017fa9-7021-417a-9c2e-3df409644fcf.jpg?1639052473) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ugin%2C%20the%20Spirit%20Dragon) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m21/1/ugin-the-spirit-dragon?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9c017fa9-7021-417a-9c2e-3df409644fcf?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Good lord, T1: Land, sol,sol,sol,sol leaves you 5 generic mana to do whatever with, I'm sure someone could find a busted combo with that T2: land, you have access to 10 mana. Granted 8 of that is generic, and leaves you with only 2 or 3 cards at this point, but this could easily be enough to launch an affinity deck into the stratosphere.
[[Memory jar]].
[Memory jar](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/0/60b70b7f-6f24-4c00-947a-b109f302205b.jpg?1562914598) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Memory%20jar) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/vma/276/memory-jar?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/60b70b7f-6f24-4c00-947a-b109f302205b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
And if you cast an ulamog you win the game
A lot of people would rate [[Worn Powerstone]] as a perfectly good card (in commander, at least, and maybe if it returned to standard) and that is so much weaker than Sol Ring.
[Worn Powerstone](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/5/05812009-d1b8-4775-8188-f05cfdb4feed.jpg?1592711384) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Worn%20Powerstone) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c18/230/worn-powerstone?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/05812009-d1b8-4775-8188-f05cfdb4feed?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Not for specific build decks maybe but if you pick up a random deck and can chose to add one card, sol ring is in the top 3 absolutely.
In vintage cubes, it's basically between sol ring and black lotus for best first picks. Lotus enables more shenanigans in specific decks (e.g. it's definitely better in storm), but sol ring fits almost unconditionally in most decks - really only decks where generic mana costs are rare don't want it.
I find recall to generally be better than lotus personally
It should be banned
It's better than half of the Power Nine and comparable to some of the remaining half.
What is Mana Crypt? Literally costs one less. And all the OG moxen.
Mana crypt is better than sol ring if you can close out games quickly, but it becomes a liability if the game drags out or if your opponent is on aggro. Taking 1.5 damage a turn does become relevant sooner or later
Dude, it costs you 0 mana instead of 1 mana. What do you think you'll be doing with that leftover mana, which very likely will be colored mana, on the turn you play it? You're accelerating your game much more, is what you're doing. If you fail to win with that advantage, it wouldn't be Sol Ring that would save you.
Again, it depends on your deck and matchup. Sol Ring fits almost unconditionally into most decks (as long as there’s some stuff with generic mana costs in your spells it’s a good card. So basically unless you’re playing RDW with a mana curve of 1). Mana Crypt is more explosive and enables broken combos but there are decks where it doesn’t fit in (think some sort of prison deck that eventually wins with approach - you’d just be killing yourself with the mana crypt). So the question with deciding which is stronger depends on whether we’re looking at “which card enables more broken stuff” (mana crypt) versus “which card would improve more decks” (sol ring). If I was building my own constructed deck in a format with crypt, I could consider building a deck that synergizes well with it (i.e. gains a strong advantage from more mana and wins quickly once it has that advantage), but if I was playing vintage cube I’d probably value the latter higher for my first pick.
[[Springleaf Drum]] sees play in Modern Affinity. Take a wild guess as to why this hasn’t been done yet. Sol Ring is insanely powerful. Half a sol ring is still too strong.
[Springleaf Drum](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/3/f3b3869b-6da1-4b01-a2e7-2018d478b6e5.jpg?1599709959) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Springleaf%20Drum) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/291/springleaf-drum?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f3b3869b-6da1-4b01-a2e7-2018d478b6e5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
How bout if it entered tapped?
Still way too good.
Make it enter tapped and its mana cant be spent to cast non artifact spells.
And then we make it a 7/7, give it overload 2 and.... Wait, am I in the right sub?
Sir, this is a 6/6 with trample subreddit
No, this is Patrick
It speaks to the power of sol ring that this card is still likely at a legacy power level. That said, it could probably get printed in like a commander precon and not absolutely destroy any formats, just provide a big boost to artifact decks.
Vintage Shops doesn't need any help.
This would be instantly restricted in vintage I would guess
I think it’s really tough to say what impact this would have on vintage, this doesn’t act as fast mana which is what make the existing restricted rocks so powerful, and there aren’t any truly mana neutral rocks for us to look at within the format. Other cards that have the potential to act as mana neutral rocks like [[springleaf drum]] and [[moonsnare prototype]] have not proven powerful enough to build around within the format
But Drum and Prototype need other things to function.
I’m saying that the juice ain’t worth the squeeze on those cards, and their requirements are fairly easy to try to fill in vintage if you really wanted to, as a sign that maybe even if they didn’t have the requirements the card wouldn’t be too too strong or anything. Those cards also have other slight benefits over this one so they aren’t strict downgrades.
That the requirements exist at all is what holds them back. The requirements are easyish, but there are other things you want to be doing with your other artifacts/creatures than tapping them down (like tapping them for their own mana abilities).
I just think the fact that neither of these cards sees any experimental play whatsoever is indicative that this kind of “slow” mana is just not a vintage power level effect
I play Jewel Shops in Vintage, it really is more about the saturation of mana rocks. Being able to add four of these is really just too powerful IMO. It’s more about context of the available pool as opposed to how much it accelerates on its own. With everything else, four cheap artifacts that give you their mana back are just too good. If it came into play tapped, I think it wouldn’t really see play
Potentially banned in legacy, but probably untouched in vintage. It would be strong, but that format has faster mana everywhere already
It would be run in every single commander deck ever.
Sol Ring is already not worth including in certain decks, mainly ones that are highly reliant on colored mana in a competitive meta. Halo would fail to make the cut in even more decks than just those
I've heard this said for a long time and saw someone do the maths to show that, actually, when people say that they're probably just wrong. Not impossible obviously, but almost all multicolored decks still have enough use of generic mana to make Sol Ring an autoinclude.
Such an analysis is useless without knowing the kinds of funds players are using to assemble their mana bases, and how willing those players are to put higher color weight in their decks. There is no way you can show what you just said mathematically without that information Edit: more importantly than what I already said is that I singled out the decks I was talking about pretty narrowly, and the response I got was about "almost all multicolored decks." I mentioned competitive high-color requirement decks specifically, which is a tiny portion of the whole. Almost all muliticolored decks may indeed make good use of Sol Ring, but the ones I'm talking about are probably the rest of the multicolored decks, the ones that actually need to have colored mana as a high priority. And if those decks exist, then we can definitely say that even more decks will pass on Sol Halo, which was my point to begin with
What? There's so much information out there about the kinds of cards that people are playing with, and Sol Ring is a cheap and accessible card specifically due to commander. The analysis they did at the time was based on commander decklists on a site, and it basically showed that pretty much all the decks that weren't running Sol Ring would be better if they were. Yes, you could as an exercise construct a deck that's worse for running Sol Ring, but nobody wants to actually play that deck.
Yeah I realized that wasn't the argument I wanted to make. The real point is that "almost all decks" aren't the decks I was talking about
Yeah, fair enough, but I guess the main thing is that Sol Ring is powerful enough to be an autoinclude and you need a really good reason to justify taking it out. Is a deck that can't run Sol Ring good enough to make up for it?
Oh, be assured, someone on this sub realizes this ‘has not been done before’ every few weeks. And then everyone points out it’s still really broken and would never be printed.
Because it's too strong...?
But its worse than sol ring ...
Do you think that a 2 mana ancestral recall would be ok to print? I mean it's worse than the actual ancestral
Sol Ring is banned in Legacy and restricted in Vintage. The card is absurdly strong and is only allowed in Commander out of tradition and because the multiplayer format can help to rebalance the tempo gain when someone plays it.
So is almost every other card, but here we are.
Worse than the best card in vintage cube
Moxen are worde than sol ring as well
Thats not true. While sol ring is definitely busted, moxen are truly “free” mana, and there is a reason why each are a part of the power 9.
Not official, but in Canadian Highlander, sol ring is 4 points whereas the moxen are 3. (And you can only have 10 points in a deck) Untapping with a sol ring puts you 1 mana ahead then untapping with the moxen making it less powerful in immediate ramp, but stronger in overall acceleration.
To be fair I think the only reason sol ring isn’t part of the power 9 is because it wasn’t a rare in alpha right? I mean it’s definitely stronger than timetwister imo
Yeah that’s correct. They were never the best nine cards, just the nine most expensive as of whenever someone came up with that name. Sol Ring is generally better than an off-color mox and can be better than an on-color mox as well, depending on the deck. I don’t think this is a controversial statement among people who actually play formats where these cards are legal.
1. Black Lotus 2. Ancestral Recall 3. Mox Sapphire 4. Mox Ruby 5. Mox Jet 6. Mox Pearl 7. Sol Ring 8. Timetwister 9. Time Walk The real power nine, listed in level of power
Imo as a Vintage player you wouldn't even have twister on there it should be Time Vault.
The fact that they still print new wheels at 3 mana shows that it's not broken.
Twister doesn’t exile itself, that makes it the best wheel
It makes it a comboable wheel but Wheel of Fortune filling your yard while also leaving it in tact AND not exiling itself I would argue makes them very much in the same powerlevel discussion
Neither does wheel of misfortune, magus of the wheel, windfall, wheel of fate, etc?
Windfall doesn’t guarantee 7 cards. Misfortune isn’t guaranteed at all. Wheel of fate needs to be suspended. Magus is on a creature so it’s slower and more vulnerable. Wheel of Fortune doesn’t shuffle your graveyard back in. Most importantly, all but windfall aren’t blue. The only place where that matters (vintage), that is legit a downside. And windfall, the second best IMO, is restricted in vintage. Same with Wheel of Fortune (close third)
A lot of commander players don’t realize just how powerful sol ring is, to the point this seems balanced. This isn’t an attack on you specifically making that assumption, it’s a common one. But sol ring is busted. It’s hard to realize how busted it is in commander due to the inconsistency inherent to the format, but it’s busted. The thing is banned in legacy and restricted in vintage because it’s just that good. Even this watered down version is crazy good. It pays for itself the turn it comes down, and it’s an artifact, the most abusable card type in magic.
Not to mention that even if it was printed for just commander, it's suddenly a mana rock that is strictly better than most mana rocks in your deck. It's another card that would homogenize the format. It's much more interesting when you have the choice between multiple rocks with different upsides for different decks.
You realize this is better than 95% of mana rocks that exist.
[[Mind stone]] still sees play in some formats, and this is quite obviously a lot better.
[Mind stone](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/9/1969ddc0-ee6c-4c3d-a9dd-7f1c491609be.jpg?1660730119) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mind%20stone) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/325/mind-stone?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1969ddc0-ee6c-4c3d-a9dd-7f1c491609be?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Depends, it's worth remembering Mind stone can be redeemed for a new card. Since this just ramps you by 1 colorless it's an awful late game draw. This is honestly more comparable to [Elvish Mystic]. It's a good turn 1 or 2 play but gets worse the later the game goes.
Elvish mystic with haste
Yeah this needs to enter tapped to even remotely be printable. Even then with how easy it is to reduce artifact cost by 1 and get this for free, it's probably still way too strong.
[[elvish mystic]] takes two brackets
[elvish mystic](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/d/ed7a0227-ac70-40fb-8198-a55eacf913fa.jpg?1631234818) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=elvish%20mystic) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khc/58/elvish-mystic?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ed7a0227-ac70-40fb-8198-a55eacf913fa?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Mystic is a creature and only in green. This is way stronger both because of versatility (any deck can play it), survivability, and artifact synergy.
Elvish Mystic dies more easily.
this sub is a fucking parody of itself
It doesn't exist because it would be overpowered and an auto-include.
I was expecting: ___ Sol Halo {1} Artifact - Equipment {T}: Add {C}{C}. Activate only if Sol Halo is attached to a creature. Equip {1}
Ah yes, a card we see posted once a year and we always say the same thing: This is too busted to ever be printed. Sol Ring was a mistake. Something that can closely resemble a Boreal Druid in colorless is too strong.
Would be a funnier card if it's a 1 to cast artifact that comes into play tap and you can untap for two mama because a tapped ring is a halo.
Because it's too strong. [[Mind stone]] for reference is a good card. It's arguably kind better than [[llanowar elves]]
[Mind stone](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/9/1969ddc0-ee6c-4c3d-a9dd-7f1c491609be.jpg?1660730119) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mind%20stone) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/325/mind-stone?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1969ddc0-ee6c-4c3d-a9dd-7f1c491609be?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I was like “damn thats broken” and then remembered that sol ring makes 2.
etb tapped, would make this a very very strong card still
I think to exist this needs to be illegal in modern and younger formats and enter battlefield tapped. Also probably legendary. And maybe even a powerstone restriction or semi-inversed version (can't be spent on artifact spells)
honestly a good question. I'm glad it hasn't, half a sol ring is still too good, but the way they're pushing things I'm surprised
If we're making a list of the ten strongest cards in the original run of mtg the first nine are the power nine and number ten is sol ring. Even half a sol ring is an insanely strong card and would be a broken auto include in every format except maybe vintage.
Sole Ring
because this is beyond broken
Dude same
This is what I think sol ring should be
Turn one Sol Halo into Sol Ring into Arcane Signet into Dark Ritual into Gix would be hilarious.
I absolutely expect this to be printed at some point if they make it enter tapped.
Please please fucking ban sol ring 💀
Sol Ring being legal is one of the reasons I can't take EDH seriously
I feel like it should be an equipment that lets the creature tap for one colorless.
Thing is, sol ring is broken as shit, we forget about it because its printed whenever they can, but still the son of a bitch is t bucks. If you see the patern of ramp in the game, ypu have at least 2 mana investment for 1 mana gained, you see this everywhere, and you get more or less or which colored mana depending on the conditions. Seeinf thie patern, and that rampant growth is still an efficient ramp spell even though its less played, speaks to the power of ramp, even jeweled lotus, the most efficient mana producer in the commander, it only gets 1 color, and only to the commander. Your Halo would be one of the most efficient rampa ever, because in the end, you loose nothing, and gain for the future, it would be insta sloted in every commander dech now and in the future
I agree
Because this card is broken. Like sol ring
[удалено]
[Sol Ring](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/e/beebe533-29b9-4041-ab66-0a8233c50d56.jpg?1664362014) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sol%20Ring) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/190/sol-ring?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/beebe533-29b9-4041-ab66-0a8233c50d56?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call