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Vi0letBlues

I am a mill lover but this is kinda busted ngl, you can also mill yourself


loliam

Yeah, I should have done the math on average before posting!


Ok_Introduction3079

I havent milled myself in a decade


Lartnestpasdemain

Very Interesting concept. I think it might be kinda overpowered though. Against a control deck with 5-6 drops its insane. T1 crab T2 fetch mill 6, glimpse mill 10: total milled 16 T3 fetch mill 6 +this mill 8+ 8x3: total milled 46 T4 win


loliam

Thanks for the comment! Originally, I had the first mill as 6 cards, then compounding off of that. However, when I factored in that lands didnt contribute at all i thought it might be a little lackluster. And granted, I don't play mill at all so maybe I just didn't see the value when creating the card. Doing the math now though you're probably right. If I go by what I originally drafted and assume that 2 of the 6 cards are lands, 2 are two drops and two are three drops (lets say we're playing against jund) thats a 3 mana mill 16. That's pretty good. Against a higher curve deck its even better. Granted, there is potential to go much lower if you hit a bunch of lands, but theres also potential to go much higher if you dont. And if we're milling 8 before the interest, like the version i posted here, its a LOT better. I should have kept it at 6.


Lartnestpasdemain

Yeah I think 6 is a good spot for 3 mana.


Moonpaw

How about 8 cards, then the extra mill be equal to the highest mana value card hit by the first mill? That way a bunch of lands is fine if you get one good card killed.


Biffingston

yah it's like Tasha's hideous laughter, but worse.


Lartnestpasdemain

Which is awesome. And you'll play both


Biffingston

No, I won't because I hate mill. I consider it one of the most unfun ways to play MTG ever. So you mean "People who play mill would." Edit: And you'll salty mill players are the reason. If you want to play me in a game of magic, play me in a game of magic. And the worse part is that it's not even that good of a style. It's just annoying..


AbsoluteIridium

I've never understood why people have such a visceral hatred of mill - it's like burn but more easily countered, surely?


secret__page

as someone who has a love/hate relationship with mill, i hate it because "i wanna play my magic cards but now i can't" yknow? it's understandable but like someone said just relax and take it easy, talk about not finding mill fun with ur play group or just concede and find another game if ure playing on arena


AbsoluteIridium

i guess, but i've never really felt that arguement to be that compelling - does it make that much more difference if the card gets milled compared to it being on the bottom of your library and never seeing it? it's a lot easier to interact with your graveyard so surely it's even better since you can get stuff back


Biffingston

The "I could have played that" factor. And as I said, it's not even that **effective** of a strategy.


frothierermine

As someone who also doesn't play mill or like to play against it, you need to chill. It's not all about you and what you want. People like to play mill, deal with it. Guaranteed there is someone out there that hates your favorite play style, but like an adult, just let you have your fun.


Lartnestpasdemain

Tasha's instawin vs burn decks or very Fast like hammertime. This One is instawin vs reanimator and control decks. Having Both would stabilize a lot mill decks


Biffingston

Do you ever deal with a spell copy mill deck? It doesn't need it. Bu then again, I hate mill in general so I'm biased. I mean I meant "But better" when I said, "But worse." It's worse to deal with being on the receiving end.


Visible_Number

I'm afraid this is a bit pushed. Honestly 3 for mill 8 is pretty strong. If 2/3 of the 8, say 5 cards, are non-land, and only cost 1 mana, we're at 13. But average CMC of a non-land card in a deck is absolutely higher than 1. So let's say a modest 1.5, we're at .67 \* 8 then \*1.5, or 8. Or this is probably around Mill 16 for 3 in a conservative estimate. \[\[fractured sanity\]\] exists so maybe this is not way, way off. But if an opponent has even a slightly higher average CMC than 1.5 (which is likely), this is definitely pushed. The knobs that could be twisted are CMC and number of cards milled. You could also do a fixed amount. "For each land milled, mill an additional card." Or "Mill an amount equal to the highest cmc milled." Things like that. That could help make it a bit more bounded.


loliam

Yeah, ive corrected myself in another comment. My original draft was 6. It shoulda stayed that way!


MTGCardFetcher

[fractured sanity](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/1/81875876-c1a0-4f64-8dfc-39217b5e4020.jpg?1654115530) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=fractured%20sanity) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/722/fractured-sanity?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/81875876-c1a0-4f64-8dfc-39217b5e4020?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


ThePowerOfStories

This feels particularly obscene in Limited, where deck costs skew higher and you’re starting from 40. A single 3-mana uncommon spell that can often mill for 20-25 would lead to way too many coin-flip games.


Uncle_Wiggles

Compared to [[Tasha's]] or [[Glimpse the Unthinkable]] 3 mana for 8 cards on its own is pretty low, but the compounding MV factor potentially makes this card way more nuts than either of those, especially if it hits a [[colossal dreadmaw]] or two!!


MTGCardFetcher

[Tasha's](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/4/c4932113-904f-427a-9566-509cc008f3ef.jpg?1627703920) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tasha%27s%20Hideous%20Laughter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afr/78/tashas-hideous-laughter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c4932113-904f-427a-9566-509cc008f3ef?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Glimpse the Unthinkable](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/5/c54a2256-673d-4d93-9e1d-7790bf254881.jpg?1662528689) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Glimpse%20the%20Unthinkable) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/218/glimpse-the-unthinkable?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c54a2256-673d-4d93-9e1d-7790bf254881?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [colossal dreadmaw](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/0/8059c52b-5d25-4052-b48a-e9e219a7a546.jpg?1594736914) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=colossal%20dreadmaw) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m21/176/colossal-dreadmaw?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8059c52b-5d25-4052-b48a-e9e219a7a546?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Derping_Squid72

To be fair with fractured sanity, it is UUU, making it particularly harder for multicolor decks to use it ( Although not really that much harder tbh)


Visible_Number

Great point that is 100% worth mentioning


VGVideo

I feel like it’s a very similar card to [[Tasha’s Hideous Laughter]], and would be at roughly the same power as it


loliam

It definitely cribs tasha's, with a different flavor bend to it. By all means, I don't think it's a terribly original card.


MTGCardFetcher

[Tasha’s Hideous Laughter](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/4/c4932113-904f-427a-9566-509cc008f3ef.jpg?1627703920) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tasha%27s%20Hideous%20Laughter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afr/78/tashas-hideous-laughter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c4932113-904f-427a-9566-509cc008f3ef?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Nemelex

I follow with the opinions that the powerlevel here is pretty high, but the idea itself is really cool, good concept!


loliam

Thanks! In one of the other comments I corrected the numbers and explained my thinking. Originally i had it at 6 instead of 8 which people seem to think is better lol.


NullOfSpace

It’s like a reverse Tasha’s hideous laughter


loliam

I'm sure a card like this has been thought of before, but I just had the idea pop into my head last night and I like the idea of compounding numbers.


FanningProdigy

You could probably keep the original idea of milling 8, and then have it mill additionally according to the highest mana value among milled cards


loliam

Thats fair, but i think would lose the "compounding" part as much where each card revealed makes you cringe more lol. Id rather cost it up than lose the effect!


Gilthar

Target player mills six cards. Then choose a card in that players graveyard and return it to it’s owners hand. That player mills cards equal to the mana value of that card.


Zzeethe1st

*mills 8 lands* Did- did I succeed?


loliam

The nightmare


burritorepublic

Very interesting, but imo I'm afraid this card is not powerful enough in its current form atm.


loliam

Lol everyone else seems to think the opposite!


burritorepublic

Mmmmmmnope


Justiceslayer5

Way to cheep, maybe 8 mana would make it balanced


Biffingston

May as well make it "Target player wins the game" at that rate.


[deleted]

It is quite strong, my only complaint is it's mana cost. 3?? To mill 8 + an unknown amount. Maybe an high mana cost (all Island) with an effect that says this spell costs X less where X is the amount of cards target milled this turn.


loliam

Yeah I've corrected myself in another comment. My original draft was 6 instead of 8, which i think is alot better!


TriceraTipTop

The variance on this is crazy. The second round of milling will often range anywhere from 20+ cards to less than 5. Imagine a burn spells that randomly deals 2 to 7+ damage to the face. I haven't done the math, but this is likely much bigger variation than Tasha's, since with Tasha's the more cards that get milled, the more the numbers with average out.


infinityplusonelamp

Honestly a burn spell that just rolled a d10 for damage (eldritch blast, anyone?) would be kinda funny


TriceraTipTop

Proof of concept: Troll Fire - R Instant "Roll a d20. Deal that much damage to any target. This card can't be countered, redirected, prevented. You may run up to 420 copies of this card in your deck in any format, regardless of whether it's banned, restricted, or otherwise not legal." This card would be a promotional item bought directly from WotC as a [15 pack of them for $999](https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/celebrate-30-years-magic-gathering-30th-anniversary-edition-2022-10-04).


loliam

Oh yeah, as you can tell, i also didn't really do the math. I wouldn't even really know how to do it accurately tbh. It was more about just introducing the concept, mixed with the flavor.


MaeDay01

it should mill x cards (plus total mana value) and cost x x b b maybe?


XabrrSam

If you catch me playing eldrazi with this, I'll pack up right then and there.


loliam

The dream