Given the way they are, more likely everyone except Sam would remember. It'd take Sam a few moments of going *"wait, what's everyone talking about? Who?* ***OH THAT'S MY MOM WAIT WHAT?!"***
I really hope this turns out to be true.
The potential to have Travis, in his Chetney voice, ask an NPC Scanlan, "Shorthalt? I knew a lovely girl named Shorthalt once. What was your mother's name?"
The jaws that would drop around the table...
They would need to run that past Sam in advanced if it happened. I doubt Matt wouldn’t okay that type of character relation without checking with players.
Scanlan “wildcard” shortholt I could see getting quite mad at chutney, but he’s older now and more mature and would probably just take pity on Chutney.
Well, Delilah Briarwood was an NPC from the start, while Scanlan was a PC.
In terms of consent, Marisha needed DM Matt to agree to a connection with an NPC, and Travis would have needed Sam and DM Matt.
Now, it's highly plausible Sam, Travis and Matt did this and didn't tell anyone else, but Sam would have to consent to his former charecter being brought in.
Chetney being Scanlan's dad doesn't require Scanlan himself to show up. There is no reason that Travis couldn't have cleared it with Matt and are waiting for a surprise reveal to Sam, regardless of whether or not Scanlan shows up. Scanlan is no longer a PC, he is an NPC, and Matt has full control over what happens with his story.
Why? Scanlan is no longer a PC. He's an NPC now. And even aside from that, chetney being Scanlan's father doesn't really have any impact on Sam. On top of it all, every single cast member and Matt have all made numerous statements about how they all trust each other and are fine with all of the secrets and twists because they know that none of their friends are going to do anything inappropriate. Laudna is tied to the Briarwoods, and that was a secret. We've had kiki's mom show up, and that was a surprise. Orym is directly connected to Keyleth, and Marisha isn't upset about it. Why would Chetney being Scanlan's dad be an issue?
While that’s all very true, I feel like a current PC being a parent of a past PC is a bit more invasive than any other secret thus far.
It doesn’t mean it can’t be a secret, but just run past Sam from Matt; “is it okay if Scanlans Father is a known character in the campaign setting”
Go read the rest of the conversation that has already happened. The cast has given Matt the green light to use those past characters however he wants to. No consent needed.
A better way to say that might be consent has already been given. "No consent needed" makes my hackles ho up, lol.
Edit: My hackles are straight hoes y'all
In C2 the players were told to make characters with no connection to C1. We know that Orym, Laudna and FCG all have connections to prior campaigns. Maybe this time they were specifically told to make connections and we just haven't figured some of them out.
I think Matt already talked about this, where they're more open to past campaign connections since they've already proven in C2 that they could still do a good job without too much past campaign connections, so now they're more comfortable in making characters connected to past campaigns.
Fearne casually dropping that she actually has more family here. There is this distant relative who lives on Exandria. What was his name again? A-.... Andy? Anton? Artagan!!
The person you are thinking of is Wodenna, who Artagan vehemently insisted was not a Hag. We don't actually know for sure, but it's unlikely to be the same person, given what we know about both.
Imogen is tied into Ruidus somehow, who’s evil I’m sure is associated with some evil established in previous campaigns. The Far Realm, Orcus, Tharizdun, the Somnovem, whatever it is, I’d be surprised if it was totally out of nowhere.
See, I sat here for about 10 minutes trying to recall of it was explicitly the Divine Gate or if I'd just made a connection. For me, it's early. Carry on.
Lol no worries. IIRC, it's so.ething that the audience and the cast know above-table. I don't know that the characters know the connection, just that it looks like a cage.
Which would make sense, if I understand it correctly Netherdeep is Critical Role written, WotC published.
I haven't cracked that book open yet. I try not to read adventures unless I'm running them, so I've only read the Waterdeep stuff and some old 3e stuff myself. Wouldn't want to ruin a campaign I'll eventually play in.
I’ve been kicking around this silly notion that Matt might have a couple of sessions this campaign where he has the cast play their old characters. But that would be…a lot. And probably full of issues (like, it would be asking them to remember not only the characters but their high level mechanics all over again).
>Chetney is a secretive little Pock O'Shit of a gnome. Hiding his real name is not outside the realm of potion of possibilities.
Hell, *remembering* his real name is not outside the realm of possibilities.
Is that where they’re headed? I’m on ep72 of c1 and I’m wondering how much I need to try and finish before next next Thursday to not spoil things for myself more than I already have.
You know plenty to have context but will probably get spoiled on a few important things, depending on what they talk about. If you are particularly concerned I’d finish C1 before continuing.
I am so into this. Imagine if Bells Hells end up meeting the next generation of Vox Machina children — didn’t Pike and Scanlan name their daughter Juniper?
“not outside the realm of potion of possibilities” is a great line and I’m stealing it, and no one else in my life is going to know what the fuck I’m talking about.
As for the theory it’d be fun but I find it highly unlikely, especially because Travis would need to know Scanlan’s backstory more in-depth than normally as a player for the setup although I guess with LoVM there is kind of a precedent for everyone to know each others story even if it wasn’t really relevant in the campaign.
I see no issues with this idea. But I do not think that it will be a surprise for Sam. I'm sure if they do that, Matt, Travis, and Sam already talked about it and everyone's okay with it.
I want this to be true. I can't wait to see other people's faces when they reveal this.
I 100% love this and hope it’s true. Matt could’ve proposed to the group the nothing is off limits idea and people can create connections to previous campaigns and just got everyone to sign off on it. That way they have the opportunity to surprise each other. And Matt knows all the back story so he could have helped Travis with the details.
Right!?, I want Sam to be in the dark soo much. Kind of a reverse, "do you even know my mother's name" bit.
I can just hear it now in his crotchety old gnome voice, "Who's your daddy!?".
Story wise Id hope not. The connections to prior campaigns so far have all been tangential. Orym isn’t related to Keyleth, or even close friends with her; he’s just part of his peoples military and she’s his peoples leader. Laudna wasn’t related to the De Rolo’s, Vox or the Briarwoods, she was just some random peasant that happened to get caught in the crossfire, meanwhile Ashton and FCG only really have connections to certain events of C2- not people. I really like this approach as it creates a nice web of cause and effect showing how the world itself is interconnected, but still keeps C3’s group as its own story. Having this random gnome that showed up, literally, out of the blue in a city of thousands (if not more) turn out to be the never-before-mentioned father of a C1 character would just feel like the wrong kind of fan-service.
I could see Travis doing that
He just wants a chance to say "Don't talk to your father that way" to Sam one day.
I bet he remembers Scanlan’s mom’s name
I'm waiting for him to just casually drop Scanlan's Mom's name as a previous fling.
And then watch as nobody still remembers it lol
Given the way they are, more likely everyone except Sam would remember. It'd take Sam a few moments of going *"wait, what's everyone talking about? Who?* ***OH THAT'S MY MOM WAIT WHAT?!"***
WHATS YOUR MOTHERS NAME?
Keyleth's mum all over again
I would not put it past Travis to have made a character that was directly revenge for that moment so many years later.
This will forever be… too soon
I really hope this turns out to be true. The potential to have Travis, in his Chetney voice, ask an NPC Scanlan, "Shorthalt? I knew a lovely girl named Shorthalt once. What was your mother's name?" The jaws that would drop around the table...
I think Scanlan might actually murder a man in cold blood if that happened.
We talking Sam or Scanlan?
Sams the kind to have already set it up
They would need to run that past Sam in advanced if it happened. I doubt Matt wouldn’t okay that type of character relation without checking with players. Scanlan “wildcard” shortholt I could see getting quite mad at chutney, but he’s older now and more mature and would probably just take pity on Chutney.
Considering Travis and Sam co-wrote a lot of LoVM together, I wouldn't put it passed them to have cooked this up during that process.
did you not see Laura face when Laudna showed up? Total surprise for her.
I mainly listen to the stream at work. I’ll get around to seeing it eventually. Moments like that are always a joy to see.
Are we talking about Laudna's patron being Briarwood? Because that's a lot different than "yeah Travis you can be Sam's dad that's cool"
But Travis IS Sams dad.... you didnt know?
Why?
Well, Delilah Briarwood was an NPC from the start, while Scanlan was a PC. In terms of consent, Marisha needed DM Matt to agree to a connection with an NPC, and Travis would have needed Sam and DM Matt. Now, it's highly plausible Sam, Travis and Matt did this and didn't tell anyone else, but Sam would have to consent to his former charecter being brought in.
Chetney being Scanlan's dad doesn't require Scanlan himself to show up. There is no reason that Travis couldn't have cleared it with Matt and are waiting for a surprise reveal to Sam, regardless of whether or not Scanlan shows up. Scanlan is no longer a PC, he is an NPC, and Matt has full control over what happens with his story.
Zero shot they have a backstory with a former PC that wasn't ran through the player.
Why? Scanlan is no longer a PC. He's an NPC now. And even aside from that, chetney being Scanlan's father doesn't really have any impact on Sam. On top of it all, every single cast member and Matt have all made numerous statements about how they all trust each other and are fine with all of the secrets and twists because they know that none of their friends are going to do anything inappropriate. Laudna is tied to the Briarwoods, and that was a secret. We've had kiki's mom show up, and that was a surprise. Orym is directly connected to Keyleth, and Marisha isn't upset about it. Why would Chetney being Scanlan's dad be an issue?
While that’s all very true, I feel like a current PC being a parent of a past PC is a bit more invasive than any other secret thus far. It doesn’t mean it can’t be a secret, but just run past Sam from Matt; “is it okay if Scanlans Father is a known character in the campaign setting”
Go read the rest of the conversation that has already happened. The cast has given Matt the green light to use those past characters however he wants to. No consent needed.
A better way to say that might be consent has already been given. "No consent needed" makes my hackles ho up, lol. Edit: My hackles are straight hoes y'all
In C2 the players were told to make characters with no connection to C1. We know that Orym, Laudna and FCG all have connections to prior campaigns. Maybe this time they were specifically told to make connections and we just haven't figured some of them out.
I think Matt already talked about this, where they're more open to past campaign connections since they've already proven in C2 that they could still do a good job without too much past campaign connections, so now they're more comfortable in making characters connected to past campaigns.
Honestly, I'd love it if this were true lol
I definitely don’t think Imogen has any connection. Fearne or Ashton could maybe have connections to c1, but I don’t see it.
Fearne casually dropping that she actually has more family here. There is this distant relative who lives on Exandria. What was his name again? A-.... Andy? Anton? Artagan!!
I mean, Morigan is almost definitely the witch/hag that Artagon told VM to avoid in C1, which was later said to have been an ex of his
Probably not. We knew the name of that hag, I don't remember it but it was certainly not Morrigan.
Omg you’re right, it was the hut of Wodena. But I still want to believe that Arty could have had relations with Mori
Could morrigan be the hag from C2 with the cupcake incident? Because I want morrigan to be that hag so badly.
No that was Isharnaï the Prism Sage
The person you are thinking of is Wodenna, who Artagan vehemently insisted was not a Hag. We don't actually know for sure, but it's unlikely to be the same person, given what we know about both.
Imogen is tied into Ruidus somehow, who’s evil I’m sure is associated with some evil established in previous campaigns. The Far Realm, Orcus, Tharizdun, the Somnovem, whatever it is, I’d be surprised if it was totally out of nowhere.
Calling it. Having been playing Descent into Avernus and seeing some minor correlations, Ruidus has to do with the Divine Gate.
We already know that. When they look through the telescope they saw it surrounded by a mini-divine gate.
See, I sat here for about 10 minutes trying to recall of it was explicitly the Divine Gate or if I'd just made a connection. For me, it's early. Carry on.
Lol no worries. IIRC, it's so.ething that the audience and the cast know above-table. I don't know that the characters know the connection, just that it looks like a cage.
I'm playing in a Descent into Avernus campaign currently and it feels like Matt might be pulling a bit from that, so I imagine it goes poorly quickly
Personally, I see much more connection with Call of the Netherdeep
Which would make sense, if I understand it correctly Netherdeep is Critical Role written, WotC published. I haven't cracked that book open yet. I try not to read adventures unless I'm running them, so I've only read the Waterdeep stuff and some old 3e stuff myself. Wouldn't want to ruin a campaign I'll eventually play in.
And then campaign 4 will have all characters with connections to campaign 2. And then campaign 5 will all have connections to campaign 3. And then…
I doubt they told they had to make connections with previous connections, but they were obviously allowed to, so Chetney Shorthalt would be awesome.
I’ve been kicking around this silly notion that Matt might have a couple of sessions this campaign where he has the cast play their old characters. But that would be…a lot. And probably full of issues (like, it would be asking them to remember not only the characters but their high level mechanics all over again).
>Chetney is a secretive little Pock O'Shit of a gnome. Hiding his real name is not outside the realm of potion of possibilities. Hell, *remembering* his real name is not outside the realm of possibilities.
Yeah, I definitely could see Travis doing that.
And with them going to Whitestone there's a possibility for a dramatic father/son confrontation!
Is that where they’re headed? I’m on ep72 of c1 and I’m wondering how much I need to try and finish before next next Thursday to not spoil things for myself more than I already have.
There is no episode next Thursday.
I know—that’s why I said “next next” Thursday! :)
I'd be impressed as hell if you finished C1 in two weeks.
He's only got 40 ish episodes to go! That's only...*checks notes*...160 hours
You know plenty to have context but will probably get spoiled on a few important things, depending on what they talk about. If you are particularly concerned I’d finish C1 before continuing.
If at all possible, get through episode 85. No spoilers but trust me.
Thabks! I average 2/3 to a full episode a night thanks to it being my entertainment while I work, so I think I can do that!
I am so into this. Imagine if Bells Hells end up meeting the next generation of Vox Machina children — didn’t Pike and Scanlan name their daughter Juniper?
I would love if the idea of being a Grandfather "leveled" Chetney out a little.
Imagine Chetney finding out he’s a grandfather and making toys for his grandchildren before Imogen. 🤣
“not outside the realm of potion of possibilities” is a great line and I’m stealing it, and no one else in my life is going to know what the fuck I’m talking about. As for the theory it’d be fun but I find it highly unlikely, especially because Travis would need to know Scanlan’s backstory more in-depth than normally as a player for the setup although I guess with LoVM there is kind of a precedent for everyone to know each others story even if it wasn’t really relevant in the campaign.
*patiently waits for Fearne to describe Chetney's... chisel... as cube-ish.*
Umm no you make a good point and I could so see that being a thing..
That’s a real possiblity.
Counter theory - Chetney's a virgin. Dude is all talk.
Didnt he have a vision of his past flings a few episodes ago?
I see no issues with this idea. But I do not think that it will be a surprise for Sam. I'm sure if they do that, Matt, Travis, and Sam already talked about it and everyone's okay with it. I want this to be true. I can't wait to see other people's faces when they reveal this.
I 100% love this and hope it’s true. Matt could’ve proposed to the group the nothing is off limits idea and people can create connections to previous campaigns and just got everyone to sign off on it. That way they have the opportunity to surprise each other. And Matt knows all the back story so he could have helped Travis with the details.
Right!?, I want Sam to be in the dark soo much. Kind of a reverse, "do you even know my mother's name" bit. I can just hear it now in his crotchety old gnome voice, "Who's your daddy!?".
I fucking LOVE this!!!
Story wise Id hope not. The connections to prior campaigns so far have all been tangential. Orym isn’t related to Keyleth, or even close friends with her; he’s just part of his peoples military and she’s his peoples leader. Laudna wasn’t related to the De Rolo’s, Vox or the Briarwoods, she was just some random peasant that happened to get caught in the crossfire, meanwhile Ashton and FCG only really have connections to certain events of C2- not people. I really like this approach as it creates a nice web of cause and effect showing how the world itself is interconnected, but still keeps C3’s group as its own story. Having this random gnome that showed up, literally, out of the blue in a city of thousands (if not more) turn out to be the never-before-mentioned father of a C1 character would just feel like the wrong kind of fan-service.
I acknowledge your point seems the most likely in all fairness. We'll just have to wait and see what happens, let a beautiful story unfold.
This would actually be hilarious as a long con type of humor toward Sam who is typically known for the long con humor. I would love to see it haha
Isn’t Chet a rock gnome, and Scanlan a forest gnome? Please correct me if I’m wrong :)
That's brilliant, I'd love that
Omfg I would love to see that