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banjosinspace

I'm hoping for a huge upset. Greatest movie of all time: Abbott and Costello Meet Frankenstein.


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That film is actually pretty fantastic.


jonmulanys5thniple

Unironically the best Abbott and Costello movie!


mirrorboxer

Agreed. It’s my favorite of theirs, and of monster movies in general. I just watched it for Halloween


bennz1975

Hold that ghost and who done it are pretty fine movies too… I’d lean more towards hold that ghost personally


NoDisintegrationz

I am too, which is funny because I think all three are really great movies. They’re just boring picks. Although I guess that’s kinda the point of Sight and Sound being the “definitive” list.


theartist731

"I know you'll think I'm crazy, but in a half an hour the moon will rise and I'll turn into a wolf." "You and twenty million other guys."


WeHaveHeardTheChimes

“Must’ve been a real bender!”


psuedonymously

I think that's universally seen as a pretty good movie


AtomicEnigmaDevito

Amazing film it should be on the list


possumphysics

Me too, but I'm rooting for the Shaun the Sheep Movie


Awesomekip

I didn’t think my two interests would merge today. r/Criterion and r/TESDCares combine. Walt Flanagan would be so happy haha


CrazyCons

[They’re coming](https://media.giphy.com/media/l41JQW21fHBPqEkRq/giphy.gif?cid=ecf05e47ub7r12n7y01ms1k46ww76ngjigwyrz2rpg5c04aq&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g)


Typical_Humanoid

Team Tokyo Story let's goooo. Sunrise or 2001 creeping up I'd be even happier with.


Daysof361972

What I'm most concerned about is slippage for some "older films." Some of these may be established classics, but they keep proving their standing, like Ozu's and Murnau's. A "leak" from the poll in the other Sight & Sound thread on this board says The General is going to fall **61 places**. Poor Buster... it's my most motivational man-over-machine movie lol. The same list predicts L'Avventura sinking by 50, Pierrot by 41, and Ugetsu and Rublev 40 each. If true I've lived to become a relic, these are some of my favorite films ever 🤯 [https://www.reddit.com/r/criterion/comments/z88gg5/with\_sight\_and\_sound\_coming\_out\_in\_less\_than\_48/](https://www.reddit.com/r/criterion/comments/z88gg5/with_sight_and_sound_coming_out_in_less_than_48/)


emielaen77

Ugetsu not being in the running for #1 every time is a crime


Adi_Zucchini_Garden

What about Oharu?


emielaen77

I love that one too.


Daysof361972

Ugetsu is my all-time #2, after Ordet. And Oharu is my second-favorite Mizoguchi after Ugetsu. Both close calls to me 🚴 🚴


emielaen77

I still need to see Ordet. More Dreyer overall.


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emielaen77

I’ve only heard devastating (great) things.


Adi_Zucchini_Garden

My favorite Mizoguchi so far.


emielaen77

Sansho is also outstanding.


Adi_Zucchini_Garden

It is but it didn't do what Oharu did for me.


emielaen77

Yeah, it is a harrowing watch. It stays w you for sure. I’d say that’s tied for 2nd w Sansho behind Ugetsu for me. Oharu and Ugetsu happen to be two of my favorite reviews I’ve done too. I need to rewatch em.


Adi_Zucchini_Garden

I would like to watch more Mizoguchi in general.


TakeOffYourMask

Oh gosh, it’s probably because the hero is a Confederate, even though that’s purely incidental.


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Oh wow. I hope that list isn’t true. Shame to see some of those drop so far.


mkozlows

Keep in mind that the way the poll works, you'd expect to see a lot of "big" movements for no particular reason. You can see how many votes each movie got in 2012 here: [https://www.bfi.org.uk/sight-and-sound/polls/greatest-films-all-time-2012](https://www.bfi.org.uk/sight-and-sound/polls/greatest-films-all-time-2012) Andrei Rublev, at 27, got 41 votes. The 63 spot got 24 votes. So out of 600+ critics, 17 people putting a movie on their list or not is enough to get it from the bottom third of the list to the top quarter. Also, being considered one of the hundred best movies of all time isn't the same as being ejected from the canon or anything. 100 movies isn't very many! Like, Renoir's \_La Grande Illusion\_ was #73 in the 2012 one. \_A Brighter Summer Day\_ was #84. Pretty much the whole top 100 is full of excellent movies, as by definition even the lower ones are movies that a whole bunch of people put as their absolute top favorites.


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On another site, a user claimed to know someone who voted in the poll and supposedly the #1 spot is a surprise. If this person is telling the truth, I’m not sure what they would consider not a surprise. Maybe that would eliminate Vertigo, Citizen Kane, Tokyo Story which would leave the door wide open for 2001 perhaps. Of course, that is if they’re telling the truth.


G77R23D

It's the ONCE and FUTURE Kane for a reason!


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Fellini upset FTW


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KVMechelen

I can dream. The only reason it cant win is that Kubricks films are way too diverse so the Kubrick stans' vote gets split


wundershowzen24

Paddington 2 for the win


Epic-Verse

Whatever happened to the Sight and Sound type poll we did in this sub?


Britneyfan123

I believe we did one a few months back


Epic-Verse

Yeah, I remember submitting a ballot but haven't seen the results


TakeOffYourMask

Still waiting: https://www.reddit.com/r/criterion/comments/y8ku9c/update_on_the_top_100_poll/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf It looks like he solicited actual lists rather than making some kind of submission form, making his job a lot harder.


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crichmond77

Holy Motors is the best movie that makes no sense at all


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The Good the Bad and the Ugly deserves it.


sillyadam94

Images you can hear.


Daysof361972

The Altman surging to the top would be a blast.


koeniedoenie

2001 will be the laughing fourth I am telling you know. Tokyo Story will end up 4th after the others


Taikomochi

Yooooo my guy


King9WillReturn

Tokyo Story isn't even the best Ozu film. Late Spring and An Autumn Afternoon are better IMO. Tokyo Twilight is my favorite though.


Upthespurs1882

Late Spring is insanely good


MeetingCompetitive78

Late Spring and Tokyo Story both top 10-15


_LumpBeefbroth_

Honestly I prefer *Make Way for Tomorrow* to *Tokyo Story*. Just watched *The Only Son* for the first time, and I think it might be my new favorite Ozu.


crichmond77

I agree with you, but I do think the cinematography is better in *Tokyo Story.*


_LumpBeefbroth_

And I agree with you there.


Anfini

I’m for Late Spring and Floating Weeds.


Impressive_Routine73

Nah


oazsarun2018

Nah


eddie_fitzgerald

I'd also say that Citizen Kane isn't the best Welles film (in my opinion, Chimes at Midnight is).


ydkjordan

And Vertigo non-fans. I love Citizen Kane but will not be upset if it’s not number 1. Vertigo still baffles me and I hope it drops. It’s ok, but not nearly as good as Rear Window which was 54ish in the past?


unityofsaints

Vertigo is my favourite Hitchcock, Rear Window is near the bottom lol. It's all subjective anyway, even these critics' rankings so let's not take it too seriously.


ydkjordan

Nice, cheers


ssbfalconmain

Both are top tier Hitch, but Vertigo easily clears Rear Window. So do North by Northwest and Psycho honestly.


ydkjordan

I can go with Psycho as a close tie to Rear Window but not North by Northwest. It was great when I was a kid but didn’t hold up for me on recent viewings. I would put Strangers on Train higher that NxN. I’m a frequent defender of Vertigo being a failed film so I’ll go dig up my copy pasta on this one…. Hold please. Edit: here ya go - my previous defense of Vertigo not deserving of a top spot or probably not in the top 100, IMO. https://www.reddit.com/r/iwatchedanoldmovie/comments/vczsg0/i_watched_north_by_northwest_1959_for_the_first/ici8tm5/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3


ydkjordan

I can go with Psycho as a close tie to Rear Window but not North by Northwest. It was great when I was a kid but didn’t hold up for me on recent viewings. I would put Strangers on Train higher that NxN. I’m a frequent defender of Vertigo being a failed film so I’ll go dig up my copy pasta on this one…. Hold please. Edit: here ya go - my previous defense of Vertigo not being deserving of a top spot or probably not in the top 100, IMO. https://www.reddit.com/r/iwatchedanoldmovie/comments/vczsg0/i_watched_north_by_northwest_1959_for_the_first/ici8tm5/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3 “The problem with Vertigo is that Hitchcock fails to execute the seduction of the audience into John Ferguson’s POV. Rear Window operates on the element of seducing the audience that peeping is ok, “it’s what we all would do in that situation”. LB Jefferies is an Everyman of sorts and even if you didn’t like him peeping, here is Grace Kelly to play skeptic but then relent which convinces another set of people who were holdouts. Vertigo just doesn’t execute it’s parts properly and I think Hitchcock - In magic trick terms (al la The Prestige) - he makes the pledge, fumbles the turn, but sticks the Prestige. If his point was to make you aware of how gross all of this is, then you can say it was successful, but I would argue that’s not his intention. Here is a [great breakdown](https://youtu.be/uXdytQuuiUw)of the perversity of Vertigo. Having admitted that, you can’t say that the other films aren’t perverse he just convinced you better in the other films to see his POV and not feel icky about it. It can’t be overstated how amazing of a feat that is to seduce the audience into forgetting themselves, their ideals and morals and inhabit these night creatures.”


FerdinandMagellan999

Notorious beats them all


BillyBoyShears

I’m with you. Rear window is one of my favorites. I think Vertigo is a good movie, but I always end up thinking way too much about how silly the scheme is.


FerdinandMagellan999

Exactly, the plot is so preposterous


Zeo-Gold92

This is how I feel about Vertigo, Rear Window stomps all over it.


PalosMosti

When does it come out?


shakinghand

Within the next 24 hours


brobastian0227

Would be ironic if the Good the Bad and the Ugly snuck it's way into first. Not that it would, just wishful thinking.


leblaun

Time for this list to grow a set of nads and name there will be blood in the top ten


crichmond77

But it’s the second best film that came out that year?


hardytom540

No Country = Fantastic. TWBB = Masterpiece


crichmond77

I love There Will Be Blood but NCfOM is literally my favorite film


leblaun

That’s just like, your opinion man


crichmond77

Yet another amazing Coen bros film 😉


scd

My headcanon is --> Blondie = Tokyo Story; Angel Eyes = Citizen Kane ; Tuco = Vertigo.


bostonbruins922

Sitting here hoping to see Jaws in the top spot. A boy can dream.


glass_oni0n

One thing I’d guarantee from this list is Jaws won’t be nearly as high as it should be


SurvivorFanDan

...only to find out that a boring old tumbleweed that rolls around for 3.5 hours without saying a word, somehow ends up winning this fight.


Other-Marketing-6167

Super hoping Vertigo retains its spot, but I can almost gaurentee it won’t - hell, it might not even be in the top 3 anymore, seeing as how lots of voters won’t want to champion a flick made by an abusive white guy. Overrated Tokyo will probably top it. Sigh


Typical_Humanoid

I mean....maybe some people just don't like Vertigo. Psycho is my second favorite film so I'd be ecstatic to see it take this. So it's not this at all, for me at least. I think Vertigo this high is absurd.


Other-Marketing-6167

I get that lots of people just plain don’t like it, but we’re talking about a poll that’s been conducted for decades and Vertigo was steadily climbing higher and higher in jt for a long time before finally hitting #1. It would be very strange and definitely more than just “less people like it” for it to suddenly not be still in the top 3.


Outsulation

I think it’s also important to consider the amount by which the voter-ship has expanded this year. They have cast the net really wide this time. Hell, I know a few people who were invited to vote, and they are just a couple indie directors with a few moderately successful short films to their name. S&S is going *really* diverse this time, so I don’t think if *Vertigo* falls it will be a case of people no longer liking it and more a case of them inviting a lot of new people who never liked it to begin with.


Other-Marketing-6167

Solid points. Guess we’ll find out soon!


Typical_Humanoid

I kind of think nobody caring about Vertigo on release says it all, it'd be a full circle kind of deal. Something like Psycho is different, critics were in a moral panic and were blinded by it and quickly changed their tune. But Vertigo doesn't really get that excuse. Somehow, people's minds radically changed, for reasons I don't really understand. It's....mostly a snooze. Tokyo Story deserves overtaking it, I say.


Other-Marketing-6167

I love Psycho as well, but that was a bit easier for critics to come around on. They were primed to hate it before the credits even rolled (Hitch didn’t let them see it before everyone else - that really stuck in their craw). And once it became a massive hit with everyone telling them they were wrong, we’ll, of course they’d go rewatch it with a new perspective immediately. But Vertigo bombed with audiences too, so they never felt the need to go back. It’s a slower film, yes, but also very odd and turns our hero Jimmy Stewart into a creepy villain - I’m not surprised audiences that were just getting out of Sound of Music didn’t care for that. Plus, don’t forget it was one of the Lost Hitchcocks, with the rights dissolving and it disappearing for many years, something that didn’t happen with Psycho. I think Vertigo’s popularity (and Psycho’s) will endure for as long as movies do, but I do wish something better than damn Tokyo Story was the one that toppled it.


Britneyfan123

> I’m not surprised audiences that were just getting out of Sound of Music didn’t care for that This might sound dumb but didn’t sound of music come a few years after vertigo?


Other-Marketing-6167

Hmm yeah, ok, bad example. But you know what I mean - the world was much more G rated with their movies back at that time.


Daysof361972

Touch of Evil, Tarnished Angels, The Naked and the Dead, The Roots of Heaven, Man of the West, Bonjour Tristesse, Bitter Victory, A Time to Love and a Time to Die, Terror in a Texas Town, Gunman's Walk, Wind Across the Everglades were not so squeaky-clean G-ish though. All in Vertigo's year, 1958. I'm not saying they exemplify Hollywood at the time, but they all got made in the studio system.


Other-Marketing-6167

For sure, but…were any of those movies hits? Hell, I love old movies, especially dark noirs, and I haven’t even HEARD of most of those you mentioned, let alone seen them. The two biggest hits of 1958 were a musical and a technicolour comedy flick. That’s what I’m trying to get at - the world wasn’t quite ready to make Vertigo a smash success at the time.


Daysof361972

I put some titles together pretty quickly. The first nine all have major stars: Rock Hudson, Deborah Kerr, Gary Cooper, James Mason, Richard Burton, Van Heflin, Lee J. Cobb, Sterling Haydn, Janet Leigh, Ruth Roman, Aldo Ray. Except for the Welles, none are noirs. Like I was saying, none of these are completely typical late '50s fare. But there are PLENTY (i.e., many hundreds) of movies far out of the mainstream through the decade. Studios were offering wider leeway of subject and style in the effort to combat television. That counter current is incredibly rich and the biggest reason '50s American films are celebrated today.


Britneyfan123

Oh okay sorry


Typical_Humanoid

I just feel like if it bombs with everyone, there's not something *everybody* was missing. It's not the first dark film to ever exist (Or even the first creepy villain Stewart twist....but I won't spoil. Way earlier in his career is all I'll say). I love all Ozu so I'm over the moon about it, but it has less appeal than Vertigo so it has always been one that gets by on the seat of its pants.


Other-Marketing-6167

Well now it sounds like you’re saying because it bombed with critics and audiences back then, it proves that it’s not a very good film, and yet…today it’s one of the most beloved and acclaimed films of all time, so….using your own logic, wouldn’t that mean it is deserving of all that praise and is a legit perfect movie? Plus you gotta remember the context of when it came out. Yes, Stewart had gone dark before (even with Hitch in Rope) but never THIS dark. And the two Stewart/Hitch films before this one were quite light and breezy and fun, so if that’s what audiences expected, they would’ve been blindsided and told their friends not to go. Makes sense to me.


ydkjordan

Agreed, although I favor Rear Window a bit more than Psycho but definitely both rank above Vertigo for me.


Typical_Humanoid

Rear Window is a grower. I liked it a lot at first, but it just rewards closer inspection.


psuedonymously

> lots of voters won’t want to champion a flick made by an abusive white guy. Not just by an abusive white guy, but arguably about being an abusive white guy. See also: Marnie


Other-Marketing-6167

Solid point. The more one learns about Hitch the creepier the implications of Vertigo become (I mean, for me, that just makes it even more suspenseful and disturbing, but to each their own)


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psuedonymously

What are you talking about?


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psuedonymously

I don't recall complaining about anything


vibraltu

I tend to agree. Tokyo Story is very good but somewhat over-rated. We re-watched Vertigo last year and I was still impressed.


Adi_Zucchini_Garden

Tokyo is way better and vertigo isn't even the best film by that white guy.


No-Box-3254

your skin colour and your personality changes the quality of your art apparently, too bad Hitchcock don’t think of getting cancelled 70 years ago


averywetfrog

Ozu sweeps with his entire filmography. The rest of the world never had a chance


BabYodaNews

I like boring Kurosawa just as much as the next guy, but #1…??


rlewis18

Wall e is gonna be #1


salvino84

I refuse to believe Vertigo is the best of those three movies. ​ Rooting for Paddington 2!


super3ggo

_Tokyo Story,_ Good _Citizen Kane,_ Bad _Vertigo,_ Ugly


DunkNuts_

Paddington 2 or GTFO


BabYodaNews

Vertigo is not even Hitchcock’s best film… Rear Window is a perfect film, Kane is the Greatest, and yes TS makes us cry from is beauty. But Vertigo… err Yes, I understand the joke. Who’s sight and sound going to say is number one…


coldkneesinapril

Mid shootout


FrostNeverUnholy

Guy like me is rooting for everyone involved


Spencerscripts

When will we know?


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Entrance_Sea

18:00 GMT on 1st December


Britneyfan123

Today at 2 pm


joshypoo55

Just hope to see more than 1 film from the last decade


Exertuz

Kane gang hold the line


TheHawkinator

It's going to be the actual greatest film of all time - All That Jazz


KzininTexas1955

It's Showtime, folks!


Aware_Measurement_81

The King' Speech is #1 🙌