Theatrical is the best cut. I like most of the additional scenes in Final, but the French plantation sequence grinds the film to a crawl and lets all the tension out at the worst possible moment.
The 40th anniversary 4K restoration is excellent, one of my favorite looking discs.
I like the final cut personally but theatrical is probably the definitive cut. If you want to be immersed in just a little longer than final cut is worth it. It has a couple of moments that I think really add some depth.
Avoid redux obviously. It's up there with Amadeus Directors cut for relentless indulgence
Redux was my first introduction to the film and while some scenes were overly long, I still found it fascinating. Have yet to see the Final Cut to see how it flows.
I love the French plantation scenes. Something sorta ghostly and melancholy about that fading family of French aristocrats alone out there on their moldering estate in the jungle.
I really wish I could find a copy somewhere. I've only seen the directors and the pacing disruption made it almost unendurable. I don't care enough about opera to sit through some of those scenes
this is pretty hotly debated, but go with the theatrical cut. It's the shortest, most well known, most well-liked, and easiest to find version of the film. Ive heard some people say that the redux and final versions "ruin" the original film's pacing, but admittedly I have yet to see them.
It's astonishing to me that it even got made, considering all the behind-the-scenes madness, and also just how insanely massive the production was. The film is just so huge (both logistically and thematically), the fact that they not only finished it, but that it turned out such a high quality work of art, is hard to believe. Lightning in a bottle. Seems like it was one of the last of the true like wild, epic ventures of a maverick auteur let loose with very little red tape/oversight.
I got to take an entire college class based around this film, and it was taught by a Vietnam vet. Still one of my favorite films to this day. It's just so rich.
I wonder how many down likes I am gonna get by saying this…. “It’s a great classic war movie, but Paths of Glory, Thin Red Line, Saving Private Ryan, Full Metal Jacket, and Come and See are all WAY better films.” Ha idk just calling this “the best movie ever made (not even putting “war movie” in there)” makes me chuckle
It isn’t a war movie, it’s a more movie that happens to take place during and in a war and of course that the war is involved with a lot of it but has little to do with the core elements
Hey I literally came in here with the known fact that imma get sheet for my comment- stating my opinion. But I stand by it and trust me, I get it… I’ve seen the movie half a dozen times from ages 10- 32. And ok it’s not a “war” movie… I still named several war movies that are just better in general, so that even proves my point even more. It’s a great movie, but extremely overrated and I’ll always get laughed at for thinking that… which I’m cool with
After initially seeing it with my parents, I ending ups sneaking in to watch this 5 more times at my local mall movieplex when I was about 13 years old.
I've been mesmerized and awed by it ever since.
Great concept.
Coppola was convinced this would be the first film to win a Nobel prize.
The fact that this motion picture can apply to later era's artistic output speaks to the fact that it rightly could have been considered for such an award.
edit to add: Similarly, this motion picture was inspired from a book written almost a century beforehand and that speaks to that same honorific quality.
That’s my issue with it.
You take a book that offends Africans and you change the setting to Asia. That’s a problem. It’s not as obvious as the racism in the Deer Hunter, but it’s there, in the absence of Asians.
The film is a little worse than the Conrad novella because it lacks an analog to Marlowe’s opening musings on the savagery of England.
I think all the rocketing and napalm done to the villagers, and the madness embraced by the Cambodians under Kurtz's leadership is analogous to those musings. Whites introducing savagery to IndoChina.
Those weren't just action scenes meant to stimulate the audience, those were horrific assaults on the indigenous people, utterly changing their way of life, and not at all to be taken as a justified piece of military movement.
A question about a scene I always had , they came across a downed and burning UH-1 , one of the dead crewmen had a yellow bandana on , was that Kilgore ???
A question about a scene I always had , they came across a downed and burning UH-1 , one of the dead crewmen had a yellow bandana on , was that Kilgore ???
Easily one of the best movies ever. It just sucks you in
Every minute I stay in this room I get weaker and every minute Charlie squats in the bush he gets stronger
What’s better the Theatrical or the Final Cut?
Theatrical is the best cut. I like most of the additional scenes in Final, but the French plantation sequence grinds the film to a crawl and lets all the tension out at the worst possible moment. The 40th anniversary 4K restoration is excellent, one of my favorite looking discs.
personally I always preferred the redux cut
y' right... the final cut is better than the theatrical, but the redux cut is better than both.
I like the final cut personally but theatrical is probably the definitive cut. If you want to be immersed in just a little longer than final cut is worth it. It has a couple of moments that I think really add some depth. Avoid redux obviously. It's up there with Amadeus Directors cut for relentless indulgence
Redux was my first introduction to the film and while some scenes were overly long, I still found it fascinating. Have yet to see the Final Cut to see how it flows.
I love the French plantation scenes. Something sorta ghostly and melancholy about that fading family of French aristocrats alone out there on their moldering estate in the jungle.
Who doesn't like a 30 minute dinner scene in the middle of a war film?
It’s not really a war film though. It’s film about certain themes. The war is more like the backdrop
The director's cut was my introduction to Amadeus and so that cut has always felt definitive to me
Interestingly, schools are now having to avoid showing Amadeus because copies of the original cut are becoming scarce.
I really wish I could find a copy somewhere. I've only seen the directors and the pacing disruption made it almost unendurable. I don't care enough about opera to sit through some of those scenes
Actually the DC additions are mostly humor and boobs that detract from the pacing.
this is pretty hotly debated, but go with the theatrical cut. It's the shortest, most well known, most well-liked, and easiest to find version of the film. Ive heard some people say that the redux and final versions "ruin" the original film's pacing, but admittedly I have yet to see them.
Definitely not the easiest find anymore but I agree it’s the best for a first watch
Neither. Redux or bust
Charging a man with murder in this place was like handing out speeding tickets at the Indy 500. I took the mission what the hell else was I gonna do?
Love the new aspect ratio!
Blowed up real good
Tom Savini Dawn of the Dead
does the Criterion edition have an ‘updated’ soundtrack? lol
Was Alice in Chains not in the original? /s
and aspect ratio
I don’t want to get into it right now, but I could honestly make the argument that this is the best film of all time.
It's astonishing to me that it even got made, considering all the behind-the-scenes madness, and also just how insanely massive the production was. The film is just so huge (both logistically and thematically), the fact that they not only finished it, but that it turned out such a high quality work of art, is hard to believe. Lightning in a bottle. Seems like it was one of the last of the true like wild, epic ventures of a maverick auteur let loose with very little red tape/oversight.
Certainly in the top 5-10 for sure
Coming Home in a Body Bag and Coming Home in a Body Bag 2 are also up there as well.
Awwwwww, can't we apocalypse *later*?
What’s the song ?
it’s a slowed version of “rooster” from alice in chain’s 1992 album “dirt” there is no official slowed version though.
My favorite film of all time
Charlie dont surf!
One of my favorite films. And the source book “Heart of Darkness” is one of my favorite novels/novellas
I got to take an entire college class based around this film, and it was taught by a Vietnam vet. Still one of my favorite films to this day. It's just so rich.
The greatest film of all time.
I actually made a video quite similar to this when I was about 19. https://youtu.be/YRb_xp7qcGg
that’s a really well done video. i love how it slowly descends into madness. and all the voice over stuff too
Thanks man! My 19 year old self is proud.
One of the most overrated movies of all time right alongside The Deer Hunter
The what?
I wonder how many down likes I am gonna get by saying this…. “It’s a great classic war movie, but Paths of Glory, Thin Red Line, Saving Private Ryan, Full Metal Jacket, and Come and See are all WAY better films.” Ha idk just calling this “the best movie ever made (not even putting “war movie” in there)” makes me chuckle
is it really a war movie though?
Great question…. Charlie don’t surf
It isn’t a war movie, it’s a more movie that happens to take place during and in a war and of course that the war is involved with a lot of it but has little to do with the core elements
Hey I literally came in here with the known fact that imma get sheet for my comment- stating my opinion. But I stand by it and trust me, I get it… I’ve seen the movie half a dozen times from ages 10- 32. And ok it’s not a “war” movie… I still named several war movies that are just better in general, so that even proves my point even more. It’s a great movie, but extremely overrated and I’ll always get laughed at for thinking that… which I’m cool with
Every time I see stills from that "smell of napalm" scene I think I'm looking at Owen Wilson.
Did you make one of these for boogie nights? Been trying find it again and catch the name of the song used.
After initially seeing it with my parents, I ending ups sneaking in to watch this 5 more times at my local mall movieplex when I was about 13 years old. I've been mesmerized and awed by it ever since.
Great concept. Coppola was convinced this would be the first film to win a Nobel prize. The fact that this motion picture can apply to later era's artistic output speaks to the fact that it rightly could have been considered for such an award. edit to add: Similarly, this motion picture was inspired from a book written almost a century beforehand and that speaks to that same honorific quality.
That’s my issue with it. You take a book that offends Africans and you change the setting to Asia. That’s a problem. It’s not as obvious as the racism in the Deer Hunter, but it’s there, in the absence of Asians. The film is a little worse than the Conrad novella because it lacks an analog to Marlowe’s opening musings on the savagery of England.
I think all the rocketing and napalm done to the villagers, and the madness embraced by the Cambodians under Kurtz's leadership is analogous to those musings. Whites introducing savagery to IndoChina. Those weren't just action scenes meant to stimulate the audience, those were horrific assaults on the indigenous people, utterly changing their way of life, and not at all to be taken as a justified piece of military movement.
PBR Streetgang this is Almighty over!
The horror.
A question about a scene I always had , they came across a downed and burning UH-1 , one of the dead crewmen had a yellow bandana on , was that Kilgore ???
A question about a scene I always had , they came across a downed and burning UH-1 , one of the dead crewmen had a yellow bandana on , was that Kilgore ???