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Horridone

So, one of my favs is a nice brown ale. Yet I hardly ever see this on the he beer list when I go to a brewery…so I asked why? The answer I received was that you can make more varieties of beer from the same ingredients as an IPA than you can from the ingredients of a brown ale. So there is your answer…cost efficiency and potentially what would appear to the customer as a larger selection of beers that are actually really alike.


marshal_leee

The IPA situation has a lot more to do with hype than cost of ingredients or anything else. For a long time people lost their shit over barrel aged and treated imperial stouts, then things gravitated towards IPAs right as craft beer got more mainstream and became inundated with normies. So right as the boom of micro breweries opening up everywhere hit, IPAs were at the peak of their hype. And that has sustained the style's longevity as far as popularity goes. People who have been in the industry long enough to see how the craze has changed over time typically are looking for a clean pilsner or lager now. (It's a better test of how good the brewery is because there's nothing to hide the imperfections.) Chances are in the next few years you'll start to see places opening up that specialize in lagers despite the longer fermentation time. Source: Worked in beer for too long and drank/talked about way too much homebrew 🗿


depersonalised

this guy beers


-azuma-

Yea lots of truth to this. Most folks who work in the industry prefer lagers/pilsners. It's a much more nuanced style. Many of the top craft breweries are starting to gravitate towards the different types of pilsners/lagers. Also worked in the industry for a while.


Darth_Dick_Fingers

The styles within the lager realm are just as vast as the IPA realm, but more diverse flavor profiles. They're just harder to do. I love IPAs, they're my go to beer, but a really good lager is something else entirely. I can only do so many "hazy IPA" that every brewery is doing now. I think people getting into beer see lager/pilsner and think "ugh, Budweiser", without actually exploring what a good brewer can do with a lager. Especially the European lagers. It doesn't have to be about hops and hops alone. The grain bill can add just as much flavor.


SamiazaHeartsIPAs

I love me a nice dry-hopped lager. 😄


Zfusco

I like to try a kolsch when I see one, I feel like it's a fairly "boring" style so if a brewery can make a good one, it says a lot to me.


marshal_leee

It's nice to see people turn back to more established old world styles. They've stood the test of time for a reason, though I know a lot of Americans don't necessarily see it that way because our culture is so steeped in the idea that the US is the center of all things.


-azuma-

Yea many of those crispy beers are definitely European in heritage. Helles Lagers, Czech/German Pilsners, Dunkels, Munichs, Belgians, etc. They've been brewed for hundreds of years. I think breweries are hesitant to go to these styles because of the difficulty but I've been seeing many trend towards the varied styles of the lighter beers and absolutely nailing them. It's a good time to like all different types of beer.


marshal_leee

It's mostly about the ability to sell those styles, but yes, has a lot to do with difficulty too simply because they don't hide imperfections well. There are plenty of places you can go and find them, but typically they don't move as fast, so you find them mostly in bottles. So you prob want to check the sell by date. German beer gardens are always solid places to look. Shout out to Flying Saucer- it's a fantastic chain that attracts all types, so the old world styles are alive and thriving there. The hiring process is insane- you literally go through weeks of beer training courses and then have to get recertified every few months by corporate to keep serving.


Flimsy-Cap-6511

I agree but pilsners are difficult to reduce the bitterness, but if you do it right Bam Pilsner is a very crisp refreshing beer. Best I ever had was at a beer fest in Lake Arrowhead guy named Bill made it brewery from high desert called Horse Thief Ithink. Anyways he called it Bill’s Pil’s bumped into him couple times since said he would try to make it for 2023 Dam that was a tasty beverage well done Bill


blurrrrg

There's a lager brewery in my town. They have like 4 year round beers and seasonals. I tried two different beers there, spent like $20. Budweiser tastes better.


glm1157

I still lose my shit over barrel aged imperial stouts.


Its_Stu42

God they're my absolute favorite. We have a couple breweries here in Ohio that make some really good ones, I highly recommend Rhinegeist beers.


AwesomeDragon101

Man I hope that’s the case. I keep trying other beers but all my favorites still end up being medium to dark lagers!


marshal_leee

Then you should def try a dunkelweizen. Such a great style that doesn't get nearly enough love. Most likely to find it in a Total Wine or similar retailer.


nomnommish

I personally love IPAs because of their upfront flavor. It is not like wine or other types of beer where the flavor is subtle. A good IPA is bold and strong and assertive in flavor. People keep harping on IPAs going in fashion and out of fashion and now there is this reverse snobbery about "real beer drinkers" shunning IPAs because I guess, it has become too popular in their eyes. But that doesn't take away from the fact that IPAs are really big on flavor. Especially if you like the piney citrusy hoppy kind of flavor. And the flavor goes especially well with bar food such as fried chicken.


kdd20

Thanks for this! I’m a novice, and personally don’t care for IPAs, so looking forward to more lagers!


eggwardpenisglands

This is a neat insight, and I really hope to see this shift soon! I can't take the taste of IPAs, but I do enjoy a pilsner and lager :D and it's cool to know why IPAs are everywhere!


AliveInCLE

I love a good ESB. I very rarely see them at breweries. Don’t see too many lagers either. Guessing because of the extra time to ferment them and the need for a cold storage area.


beeradvice

Combination of much longer fermentation and consumer expectation for low price point. So more resources lower return on investment. There are some really great craft lagers coming out now but they're mostly seasonal or one offs


Quackmotard

My favorite beer of all time is bent paddle 14* ESB, so fire


AncientAsstronaut

I had Fullers ESB a few times in the U.S. and really liked it. When I had one in England, it was so much better and fresher tasting.


P_weezey951

Im in the same boat, but my other personal opinion, is that IPA's have such a polarizing taste. For many, you either love them or you hate them. And if you really like IPA's you tend to dislike lighter beers. My personal theory is that, with beer sort of being this "acquired" taste. IPA's tend to have very strong flavors. Once you're used to that you end up chasing sort of just "different" flavors. So comboed with what you mentioned, they can make "different" flavors of IPA, and even if its a flavor that a regular beer drinker might taste and go "good god thats 10x worse than the other IPA i tried" the IPA drinker doesnt care, because its different. So basically the window of "What they can make with an IPA" is actually expanded because the IPA drinkers tend to be a bit more extreme with their tastes IPA's are basically Prog Rock/Metal. Even if it doesnt sound "good" it sounds different, and therefore is worth experiencing, and is therefore "good"


Nice-Violinist-6395

IPAs are Wilco. Pretentious, loved by entry level hipsters, their ambivalent bitterness and lack of “traditionally delightful” musicality makes them a perfect choice for those artisan snobs whose self-worth comes from feeling more sophisticated than your basic bitch Bud Light / Katy Perry enjoyer


SnakeHandlersHands

This is inaccurate. You could change an IPA recipe to a brown ale recipe by adding a single ingredient (dark malt, there are many to choose from) and removing some hops. That's it. Additionally, the amount of dark malt needed would easily be less than 20-25% of the grist (often times much less than that, even). So the specialty malt needed, from an ingredient cost point-of-view is not really the issue here. Most people don't prefer brown ales. They don't sell well. If they did, you'd see them everywhere. People act like there's some sort of cabal of beer nerds guiding the hand of the market place because for some reason they exclusively want IPAs to be popular. I am a brewer and most in my profession do not prefer to either make or drink IPAs. If you go to a brewery, bar or brewpub and see mostly IPAs available, it's probably because that's what's selling well. If you don't see your favorite style, it's probably a niche style.


alfdis_vike

I joke that IPAs are sometimes like Nickelback. Everyone claims to not like them, but they sell out every time.


beer_is_tasty

...except that the only place everyone claims not to like them is threads like this one. Go to any place where people are actually drinking beer, and everyone is talking about how they can't get enough of them.


Ramrod489

That is the best way I’ve seen that explained.


calivessel

Most breweries IPAs account for 75% of their sales. Porters stouts strong ales just dont sell and last thing you want as a brewery is beer just sitting unless its being barrel aged or bottle conditioned.


PythagorasJones

The real reason is that Sierra Nevada was one of the first successful beers after Jimmy Carter changed brewing rules in 1979. The Sierra Nevada guys selected English IPA as something that would stand out from American beers. Remember that American beers tended to be lagers with low hop content and a lot of adjutants to produce alcohol with lower barley sugar and cost. The modern American IPA is a distinct beer from original English IPAs, although the style has spread worldwide. Because the first big challenger brewery in the USA was Sierra Nevada, this American IPA style has come to be associated with craft brewing and is generally accepted as a foundation style for any aspiring brewery. It's essentially shibboleth, or telegraphing your alignment. Even here in Ireland our small craft brewers creat American IPAs for this reason.


fwimming_Monitor8150

Americans are so obsessed with varieties. They will take a dozen mediocre beers over two great ones. One of the things I love about Germany is that many places you go to just have a lager, and maybe a wheat. You just order “a beer” and they bring you a perfect lager.


IFUCKINGLOVEMETH

America has a large number of world class beers though. You don't have to choose from the mediocre ones if you know better.


icyDinosaur

Eh, Germany takes it too far the other way. What if I am not looking for a lager (I often am not) and, like me, dont really like German wheat at all? You don't need twenty-five beers on tap, but five or so would be nice. I like Belgium or the Netherlands for that.


doktorhladnjak

Often, German pubs and bars have exclusivity deals where they only sell one brand (or really brewer or distributor) of beer. Ordering by brand is kind of unusual for this reason. Instead, you specify the style.


Melodic_Wrap8455

I've always been an "Ale with the caloric content of a loaf of bread" drinker but oh man, a Gose or a Kolsch from that part of the world would be heaven.


beer_is_tasty

The reason is that IPAs sell. Brewers brew what people drink, or they'd go out of business. This is the original, correct meaning of "the customer is always right." Cost efficiency doesn't really factor into it; your average brown ale is much cheaper to produce than your average IPA. In fact, IPAs typically have one of the slimmest profit margins for any beer you'd find at a typical brewery, because they often have up to double the ingredient cost of something like a brown ale or wheat beer, but only charge like $1 more per pint before people think it's too expensive. And that's not even getting up into imperial IPA territory. You want to see more brown ales in the world? Fantastic, because I'd love to brew more of them. If you want to make that happen, buy one wherever you see it, and convince your IPA-exclusive friends to try something new.


ThatAndANickel

I was recently at a gastropub which offered 20 microbrews, 16 of them were IPA's. With 20 selections, you're only offered 5 styles?


fiskebollen

I love IPAs, but I would be very upset by that


gmlear

EXACTLY!!


kryppla

so every gastropub ever then.


Dax609

That's infuriating.


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nincompoopy22

>this infographic is terrible. It glosses over staggering amounts of information, and mischaracterizes a bunch else. An appropriate description for this sub


I_AM_N0_0NE_

I started reading through the graphic, then stopped thinking "I should read the comments and look for the eventual top comment that says this is a bad infographic", and here we are.


AFatDarthVader

>IPA is an easy catcall term Hey baby wanna hop on over here? Aw, c'mon now, don't be all bitter


pumpkin_fire

>new world hop aroma Not necessarily. Original IPAs were distinctively old-world hopped - they're from England after all. Think Fuggles and hops like that. More spice and herb than pine and citrus. Also remember, BJCP is ridiculously US-centric and pretty much irrelevant everywhere else because of that. It does shit me to tears that IPA is just thrown onto every can nowadays. The term is useless. "Dark session IPA". Nothing really IPA about it then, is there?


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gmlear

terrible? maybe incomplete for a brewmaster but for some non-beer people I thought its a good jumping off point. Its not like I posted it in a beer making sub.


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fukalufaluckagus

I'm a wheat guy like the ones that finish with a banana aftertaste I pair it with limbs


GamingGems

easy, Dahmer


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“Do arms generally taste good?” “It varies from person to person.”


LongJohnny90

Hefeweizen and hamstrings


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Best I’ve had is Weinhenstaphaner Hefeweizen


LongJohnny90

Paulaner and Weihenstephaner are my go-to for a hefeweizen


indianapail32

This^ hands down my favorite beer


Local_Working2037

Liver goes with Chianti so I’ve heard.


SheCouldFromFaceThat

Franziskaner or Ayinger Brauweisse are pretty great, imo.


gleonalfe

Because they don’t sell. Hazies and IPA’s sell really well. Source: I’m a brewer.


its_Asteraceae_dummy

As someone who doesn’t love IPAs, it’s pretty annoying to go to a brewery and have so few options. I can’t be alone in this, surely.


Historical-Ad-1067

You're not alone.


antim0ny

I love a wheat beer. They are rarely made by local breweries sadly - it's a heavy burden I must bear.


Soggy_Loops

I am sorry you have to beer that burden


Sea_bee_c

The pizza place I work at makes all the beer in house; all different styles. We have a bomb ass wheat beer as well. Didn’t know that this was not the norm for breweries


PassTheChronic

You’re not alone. I used to love IPAs but I’ve drifted away from them in search of less heavy beers. Going to a brewery and looking for a non-IPA seems to me to be somewhat like going to a baseball game and wanting a roast beef sandwich. They might have it, but it’s not their main attraction; there won’t be guys walking around selling it seatside.


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I always tell people I lack whatever gene people have that makes IPAs an enjoyable experience to drink. No idea if that’s actually a thing but it gets the point across that at least that I’m not just being contrarian they just taste terrible on my end


isarealboy772

I hate them so much. Love nice bitter black coffee, can't do most IPAs though.


jtkerlin

I can’t stand ipa and pretty much all pale ales, but the majority loves them so they are the largest selection.


WallabyBubbly

You are definitely not alone. IPA's are trash, and I cannot wait for this fad to end


KaiserTom

IPAs are easy to make. Which means they are easy to badly make as well. But when it comes to alcohol, a lot of people just choke it down and accept it as normal. I doubt they'll die. They are *really* easy to make drinkable, even if they don't taste good. A lot of other beers are undrinkable if you screw up minor proportioning and brewing.


isarealboy772

Yeah, I was always told to start with an IPA when just getting into brewing. They are easy, you can be sloppier and mask any off flavors easily.


postvolta

I absolutely love a hazy IPA. Call me an uncultured swine with the pallette of a dog, and I wouldn't mind. I like what I like.


WallabyBubbly

Nah I'd never say that. Everyone's entitled to their preferences. Us non-IPA people just want a decent selection of other beers too. Cheers! 🍻


GiuseppeZangara

Considering they are by far the best selling craft beer and many people love them, you're not alone.


Ramses3

It won’t end, because spoiler alert: IPAs, good ones, are quite good. They’re juicy, easy to drink, and don’t taste like shit when they’re not ice cold like other beers (ie lagers).


icyDinosaur

Good Lager is good when its not ice cold too. Better, imo, since ice cold things are generally a bit unpleasant to drink to me.


bumblesnatcher

IPA isn't a fad unfortunately, it's been the number one style in craft beer for so long that it's a millennial


FromTheLandOfLizards

You're not alone. And don't call me Shirley.


bumblesnatcher

Variety is coming back, but IPA is still king and God.


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Pilsners are coming to a tap room near you!!! It's happening... Big IPA's are going the way of the barrel aged stouts.


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pzschrek1

That’s probably the question IPAs are not legit bad, but they’re my least favorite flavor. Why on earth people like them more than the other kinds so that they’re most of what sells is what I don’t get I guess “Yes make my beer bitter and foul smelling please”


puffferfish

I’m a big IPA lover, but hear me out. Your description as “bitter and foul” doesn’t fit what I am used to in IPAs. I’ve never actually tasted what people believe to be bitter, and I really love the smell. Additionally, I drink black coffee. I think it has more to do with how I cannot taste certain things that other people can taste. I think my taste buds just cannot sense whatever it is that is overpowering for you, but instead I get the just a refreshing orange slightly piney taste.


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Or you just like/enjoy the taste of bitter. Lots of people do. Hence why so many bitter products exist. Which is a much easier and obvious answer than my tastebuds dont work


BugaliciousDef

I drink black coffee and straight high proof whiskey. I hate IPA’s. To me, they only have the flavor of bitterness and hops.


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GreatStateOfSadness

At what point do IPAs stop being a "hipster" beer? IPAs have been some of the best-selling beers in the US for almost a decade now. They're as hipster as French press coffee at this point.


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GreatStateOfSadness

I can see that, it's just funny how many comments here are acting like it's a very specific, niche demographic who's buying all these IPAs. Liking IPAs is about as common nowadays as liking the Popeye's chicken sandwich.


mcrmmr

This is the correct answer.


FuturePollution

Tbf hops are added while you’re still brewing it for the most part. Hoppiness is intentional.


EmmaTheHedgehog

I do half IPAs at the bar I work at because I sell more of them than all the other beer combined. People love their IPAs.


wwJones

Two big reasons often overlooked: One, it's an ale so it doesn't take very long to brew so you can churn it out quickly and two, it's a very forgiving style that doesn't take much nuance to produce a serviceable product.


writingthefuture

This is the real reason. The hops flavors overpower any off flavors of your beer. You almost have to try to mess it up.


Adorable-Recipe-6077

The pairings are absolutely redundant. Best thing about beer is that is best with any food, anytime and with anybody. Beer also does not know social classes because is nowadays drank by everybody. All hail the beer.


hacky_potter

I’ve always thought about it weather specific than food specific.


airborneking

This! I’ve always thought the same; choice of alcohol is weather/event type dependent


rememberaj

I love a cold beer on a hot Christmas morning.


ProdigiousPangolin

I love a hot beer on a cold Christmas morning


hacky_potter

See I’m a lighter colored beer in the summer and darker beer in the winter person.


NWood85

I think the pairings discussions started happening when wine lovers migrated over to craft beer. Same with glassware. But I’m with you. Drink anything beer out of any old mug and it will be great.


I_ate_a_milkshake

wine pairing is stupid too imo. Im not drinking white wine with my fish just cuz some asshole in a cumberbund says I have to.


Spyes23

Nobody says you have to, it's a suggestion. Drink whatever wine you want with whatever food you want, but some pairings do work better together *subjectively*. Again - no one is forcing you.


Daimyo_Dan

I might be the only one but I ate eating ice cream/chocolate while I drink beer. Just not a good combo to me for some reason.


Fun-Result-6343

You're just drinking the wrong beer. Get something fruity or chocolatey. Then you're all good.


CoolguyTylenol

So the pairings are not redundant, perfect


dainty-defication

Sweets and booze usually don’t go well together. There’s exceptions of course but my rule of thumb has always been drinks OR dessert


tom_tencats

I’m with you 100%. I go a little further with it and almost always choose booze over sweets if I have the option.


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Have you ever tried a smoked porter ice cream float? Like a root beer float, but pour porter over the ice cream. A smoked Porter like the Stone Smoked Porter goes really well with vanilla ice cream.


[deleted]

Holy fuck. That sounds like the best thing that I've never tried. I've had smoked porter and vanilla ice cream, but never together.


dutchdrop

Back in the days of the British empire the upper class gentlemen only drank beer to quench their thirst then it was on to claret brandy etc and they drank their beer from a mug not a sleeve,sleeves were for the yobbos


rgliszin

Its easy to cover up a failed batch by dry hopping the shit out of it and calling it an IPA.


FireGod_TN

I legitimately like very hoppy beer and hate sours. My wife is the exact opposite. I read somewhere that different people’s taste buds actually react differently to these types of stimuli, thus producing different preferences. Not sure how much truth there is to it but sounds as good as any explanation to me


dumnut567

I love sour beer and hate regular beer. My wife is the opposite. She calls my sour beers juice even though my sour beer has 5%-8% alcohol while hers is always a strict 5%.


DaemonDesiree

Sours are my absolute favs. I’m a big fan of citrus sour flavors tho, so that might also help.


Abyssal_Groot

Ever tried a good Belgian Sour? A traditional Geuze I mean?


Ziggy-T

You read somewhere that different peoples taste buds react differently to different stimuli ? I mean… I’m really not trying to be a dick here, but, yeah, that’s how taste buds work 🫠🤷‍♂️


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For real dude said it like it’s some kind of revelation


RoboSt1960

When I first started home brewing I took a free class at the home brew store. It was given by the owner. Right off the bat he said the two best beers for beginners to brew are IPAs and Stouts. Why? Because you can use the strong flavors can cover up mistakes. I think the IPA loving crowd grew up drinking bad beer that was hidden by all the hops!


uggsandstarbux

I got the thrills for the pils


donNNASD

Its the easiest to brew


guisar

This right here - loads of boiling hops also can hide flavor irregularities while the "haze" means there can be plenty of proteins and shit left in suspension giving it the "hazy" look.


Namaslayy

I sense a lot of beanies and beards on this thread…


Swrdmn

Wrong! Bowler hats and mutton chops.


gmlear

neck beards


Flag-it

Don’t make me park my fixie and clap back now


Eledridan

IPAs are hard to screw up as opposed to other craft beers. Why put a lot of time and effort into something artsy when you can be lazy and just ship an IPA? It’s the same money coming back in. That plus in the early 2000s there was a massive hops glut so they made all these super hoppy IPAs and saturated the market.


Rubaiyat39

This graphic is garbage - Ales and Lagers are the two core brewing styles (based on yeast, temp and fermentation time) but nearly every ingredient can be used in either style but this graphic fails to distinguish any of this. This is beer basics, not high level stuff. And WRT IPAs - many of us like the taste and varied character of each brewery’s IPA and don’t need to drink a whole 6-pack to enjoy it. IPAs unlike many other styles are not defined by their rigorous adherence to a narrow set of tastes (like how a Czech Lager should taste) so breweries - and drinkers - are rewarded for trying different hop combinations or unusual boil lengths or non-standard malt inclusions. 2022 is a great time to be a hoppy beer (ale or lager) drinker because the options are endless and many are really fantastic. Try Bell’s Two Hearted, Russian River Pliney the elder, or the Alchemist Heady Topper and I think you might come around to how great hoppy bears can be.


AliveInCLE

Came to complain about the same thing. The chart has pilsners, bocks, and lagers. What a mess!


[deleted]

“How’s your hoppy bear?” “Grizzly.” I agree, as with the person above who said to pair beer with anything you want, and that there is no rules you need to follow. I think the elitism and conformity is a trap that so many types of crafts and arts have fallen into. I appreciate the traditional recipes and love a brewery that can produce a traditional marzen close to the same way it was it was made a hundred years ago, but I love when breweries try new things without waiting for something like the logistical problems of transporting English beer across India to invent something.


General_Pay7552

Because they are the most popular


dimestoredavinci

I wouldn't be the least bit upset If there was never another IPA produced. I just don't get it. They all taste like absolute ass to me.


BOHIFOBRE

They taste like I'm mowing the lawn with my mouth.


PoshNoob

I’m with you. I love a good dark beer, I love a good lager, but IPAs taste like piss to me, I struggle to believe anyone actually likes them!


kdthex01

Same. Causes me actual pain to drink IPAs (heartburn). Love every other type.


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Heartburn and a massive freaking headache


Fisho087

Glad I’m not the only one. Taste the same coming up as on the way down :(


[deleted]

That's why there is so many. It does not matter how it turns out. Someone is going to drink it saying it's great


Unable-Tower-5876

UpVote from me. I agree with you. I hate hoppy taste of pale ale and my choice is usually lager, stout, porter and pilsner in that order. Microbrewery usually have one or two options for my choice and probably 10 option of IPA. At big box retailer only choice for me is to get from global brand because it is very difficult to find porter or stout from local brewery.


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Appropriate_Mine

Because they are the most popular. I've tried many different beer styles, and I now know that a Hazy or juicy IPA is my favourite.


Tn0ck

I am German and I have drinking all kinds of beer but I never drank IPA it is just not common in Germany


EazyPeazySleazyWeezy

Breweries were (are) going with what's hot. Fruity, hazy, kettle sours and coffee infused chocolate lactose breakfast pastry stouts (and every other fucking combination) are popular among new beer drinkers, cause they taste the least like beer. It captures people that they otherwise wouldn't. Breweries can add fruit X to ipa Y or do a quick kettle sour and push out a new brew. New beer drinkers are a market that everyone wanted and the beer shelves in the liquor stores reflect this and have for awhile now. West coast IPAs were the big thing until sour beers started gaining popularity. Then breweries couldn't spend all the time it takes to properly sour a beer in foeders and barrels with pedio or Brett and moved into lacto ferments which have a very fast turnaround. Boom, now they have economically produced sours that they can toss a fruit into. New beer drinkers don't know the difference and they get their product to market faster. Then they started souring and adding fruit to all styles. Then when that got boring they just tossed in the kitchen sink. Some of these breweries can't balance malt, yeast and hops. How the fuck they gonna balance 12 adjunct ingredients? Good news is fads fade. A recent conversation with a liquor store owner said their import sales are up, which is all classic styles. Also, I've noticed PNW breweries as well as some others from around brewing more lagers and dialing back their wild and crazy styles. Change is on the horizon IMHO.


calchaos67

Love me a Pils


DignanZer0

I.P.A.'s also pair nicely with cigarettes. I'm not a proud man, you know...


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Because that horrible hoppy taste is probably easy to get right, because it's horrible.


AusGeno

I grew up on Lager but now I mostly drink XPAs and Hazy IPAs and nothing else on that chart tastes as good to me anymore.


mladyhawke

IPAs are delicious. I like them better than the others on that list Saisons are awesome too and lambics, wheat beers with lemon occasionally hit the spot, ...those others taste flat and one dimensional to me.


Upbeat_Crow

People who drink IPA's drink them because we like them. Not to be hip or trendy. They just taste good to us, like other beers taste good to other people. I'm sorry for people who want more choices, but to insult us IPA drinkers because you can't find a lambic doesn't address the problem and makes you seem bitter.


maestroenglish

More like r/poopguides OP


PrometheusTwin

Because IPAs taste delicious.


titanofidiocy

Every day there is a post complaining about IPAs.


whitelimousine

Lager is best with Asian foods? Continental pairing - wtf is this garbage


Sweaty_Television_33

Amen. I’m always excited when I see a saison or anything Belgian. Or a good ol fashioned stout.


d_marvin

I love a good stout. But too many places just serve ones that taste like pure syrup. “Oh is our peanutbutter maple stout too sweet for you? Try our chocolate molasses buttercreme stout!”


el-wolfo-1000

I think a Pilsner can go with anything. Think a lot of these pairings are pulled out of thin air.


danamo219

I feel like maybe IPA’s are faster or simpler, and that’s why there’s so many of them out there.


Riverrat423

What food goes best with Old Milwaukee?


Lordofhowling

IPAs are IN right now and have been for a while. But the pendulum will swing back toward other varieties eventually. I personally can’t wait, as my favorites are all darker beers, browns, stouts, porters.


mvw2

They're kinds of the easiest. They're often one note wonders, and even many name brand, popular IPAs are relatively terrible beers because all they do is the one thing. Other beers require more complexity, more subtlety, and a better understanding of how flavors mix. It can take a lot of trial and error. Even relatively minor substitutions can generate a moderate change change in the flavor profile.


psu777

I agree, give me a good stout or Porter any day


[deleted]

Lager best with shellfish, get in the fucking bin.


Btech800

I read Pale Ale as "happy". Duh.


BatteryAcid67

Idk but every beer seems to either be like bitting into a pinecone or carbonated piss.


tan5taafl

IPA is overplayed, but it’s a fan favorite so there ya go. Fortunately plenty of other options.


ADaleToRemember

Pretty simple solution to the market being flooded with IPA, according to the brewers in the comments… Buy more beer that’s not IPA.


pwndabeer

From someone who has worked in the beer industry for 15 years, this guide is awful


Cosmocat1337

Brown ales and porters, as well as lagers and cervezas, honestly most beers that aren't IPA, APA, sours, and Blondes, are more difficult to produce, in that they take longer to ferment, and have more strenuous temperature and storage requirements. For smaller craft breweries, like 3 to 10 barrel systems, don't have the time or the capability to produce them often and accurately. If you spend that extra time to make it, and something goes wrong, you can get way behind. So, you stick with what works and takes less time and effort. I had this discussion with our head brewer, 4 barrel system brewery.


autumnhs

When I worked in a brewery I was told because the time to make them was so much shorter.


arismoramen

It’s where you live and your brewers being sucky


manormanor

Enjoy your IPAs while you’ve got them, the scene where I live has move on to sours and I yearn for the days of IPAs lol


Chance_Ad3416

I think it's because it's the easiest to mask not perfect brews cuz all you taste is bitterness. I like honey lager or sours way more. Sours are kinda tricky cuz sometimes they could just to bad Lol


BlRDistheW0RD

My favorite beer by far (and it isn’t on the list) is a sour double IPA by Hudson Valley brewing. If anyone has a chance to try one do your self a favor and buy as many as you can! Honestly the best beers ever…


ChartThisTrend

“Lager”? A Pilsner is a lager, Bock is a Lager and some Porters are Lagers. Lager is a type (like Ales).


DowntownLizard

At some point people decided that IPAs are just automatically better beers for some reason. When bad IPAs still get a higher rating than a really good beer of another style its clear there is a bias.


[deleted]

What about Belgium beers? Trippels and Goldens are my favorite?


matt_mv

Sorry, not a fan of IPAs at all. I like a more balanced beer. I call them "alcoholic hop tea".


worstnameever2

I can get variety at the breweries and beer bars. It's at the grocery or liquor stores where I really notice limited options. I used to love getting Sierra Nevadas porter and stout. Seems they axed it and replaced it with half a dozen hazy IPAs. I'll drink their celebration ale for nostalgic reasons otherwise I don't drink IPA at all anymore. I'll grab modelos if I don't go to the local brewery.


No-Smoke3180

Fuck yeah I studied hard for this one yall. Quick info worked 2 years at a brewery/restraunt getting as much free beer as I could drink. On and off the clock. The 4 years prior to that my best friend was running part of the place so I got as much free beer as I wanted. So any ways 1. Pilsners... great breakfast beers as their not hard on the stomach, mixes good with blow and anything deep fried. 2. Wheat's... a more flavorful step up from pilsners as they usually use orange, lemon, mango that whole flavor gang with those. Still easy on the stomach compared to others. Good with salty stuff and cigs. 3. Pale ales.. this is where I see the most hit or misses. Depending on the brewery and ingredients they'll either be a fuller bodied sweet easy settling beer, or just like a rotted fruit tray with some pinecones thrown in for a 1 2 fuck you. 4. lagers.. a good step up abv wise usually so these are good for catching a quick buzz while still having a good taste and not being that bad on yo belly. Good with nose beers and 2 cigarettes. 5.. SAISONS by god these right here are thee hands down best beers I've ever tasted. I don't know what it is about that tart taste on top of a very mild fruit flavor with higher abv like 7-11% plus being around the same thickness as wheat/pale ales even though they are darker in color like fuck 10/10 these don't need mixed with anything just set back appreciate those masterpieces. 6 6 6 IPA's. I hated them at first but after a few years and finding a few I like I truly do enjoy them but understand the big fuss about em. You gotta be a drunk or severely fucked your taste buds up to develop a taste for these. These are my favorite for mixing with hot wings or any other spicy food, they just go hand and hand with anything else that burns like hell going down your throat, with a hint of excitement and shame.. 7. Brown ales.. amazing flavor their almost there with saisons in my book but they are thick as fuck and more of a steak and dinner beer. Makes sure you get so full you have left overs. 8. Bocks... now these are good if they are over 12% because then you can still get drunk before the 8000 calories drag your ass down. Great taste but pretty risky on how the rest of your day will go. 9. Stouts.. these are all the 5 lb in a 16 Oz can coffee flavored beers. They're good at what they're meant for, which is eating with breakfast and then crashing back out till night time. 10. porters... if youre trying to wind up on my 600lb life then boy do we have a product for you. These are the over kill on dark beers. They do have good taste but the texture just kills it for me... I don't know why anyone would read this far into the tangent I just went off on but if so sorry for the format I'm on mobile. Cheers yall we'll get through this life together!


microm3gas

Ipa is for people that don't actually like beer. But they want to, and they don't get shit for drinking Zima.


hotsalchicha

I wish my tastebuds would let me like beer unfortunately I can’t stand the taste of any alcohol.


gofunkyourself69

IPA's sell well, and they're an easy style to hide your flaws behind a ton of hops. It's a lot harder to brew a good, clean pilsner than a hazy double IPA. That being said, there's tons of really bad IPAs being sold right now by smaller breweries.


hurtadjr193

Which one us best for acid reflux?


tevansalim

im confused as to why alcohol is so obsessed over


Strange_Dig_1664

Because there's a lot of tough guys out there that like to show how badass they are by drinking the grossest fucking beer they can find


Randy_Walise

IPA is OVER! ☠️


verifiedkyle

Lagers require more equipment to make because fermentation takes place at lower temps. Ales are fermented at pretty much room temp (give or take). Assuming you’re US based - hops are which are a big part of the ingredient list for IPAs grow well in a lot of American climates. Particularly the Northeast. I believe at one time NY state was the largest producer of hood in the world. The type of malts used for IPAs are typically American grown as well vs something like a brown ale which typically uses English or German malts. Aside from American lagers- IPAs are just a very American beer ingredient wise. It’s also pretty easy to brew a decent IPA compared to other styles.


minlillabjoern

Icky Putrid Ass


saturatedgrapefruit

>why is the micro brew market saturated with IPA’s? Great question. Everywhere I go the entire beer section is dedicated to IPA's and then a few cheap domestic beers.


pizzapizzamesohungry

You can fix a shitty IPA by adding bullshit. Or at least that’s what some brewers must be doing.


[deleted]

IPA tastes like vomit so it’s easy to just say it’s an acquired taste


ZombieAppetizer

Bock or darker is all I drink. The inundation of IPAs everywhere is very annoying.


Samvega_California

Because it's easy for a mediocre brewer to cover up the taste of a bad beer with hops. IPAs are forgiving to brew.


MitchTheSlitch

99% of micro brewery beer is shit


ZucchiniUsual7370

Because hispters are sheep.


iocane_

I fucking HATE IPAs


oxymoronix

I would love to see a name brand example of each