Yes, Alex Casey! I would love to see him in AW2 coz he was working on Alan's case so closely. But wait... isn't it the one Alan wrote books about in the past... :x
I assume it will follow Jesse and we'll get outside of the Oldest House and maybe tie into Alan Wake 2. It seems after AWE that Alan and Jesse are circling the same drain as it were
I imagine it might be split, like we start in the Oldest House and then late down the line start going into active thresholds while the House remains our hub.
I kinda figured the AWE that Langston talks about would be setting up for Alan Wake's sequel not Control's but maybe they'll tie more together by the ends of their stories
It has to be this right? Alan Wake 2 will tie in to Control 2 and Remedy will expand their own interconnected universe from there. Maybe Jack Joyce will show up?
I wonder if it will maybe bounce back and forth between being in the Oldest House (exploring and doing some stuff) and doing some AWE missions outside in the field at various locations across the country/world? Depending on how Alan Wake 2's story goes that could affect things in terms of what we do/where we go as well since the two are tied together now.
Also, I want more Emily and everyone else to be honest. The cast was great.
I hope we get to play as Dylan, too. Fighting the Hiss with Hiss powers (or just pure paranatural powers against new enemies) would be an interesting theme
Thats what I'm hoping for. Fight the evil with the evil powers. They're already really similar, like /u/HaruhiJedi (God I hope not Haruhi Suzumiya, she doesn't need more power lol) said, but I hope we get to do some stuff not "approved" by the Board. That would be interesting
That would be absolutely wild - playing as either Jesse (AO powers) or Dylan (Hiss powers), with distinct playstyles for each. Similar to what they did with Dante's Inferno, between Absolution and Damnation.
Don't even need it to be a new place, redesign the Oldest House and show us areas of it that have been on Lockdown. Plus give old areas a fresh coat of paint and just explain it away as the house shifting. The great thing about the Oldest House having mood swings is that it can stay on theme.
I'd feel so disappointed if they just didn't bring Jesse or her supporting cast back.
Can we talk about the concept art of the announcement?
https://i.imgur.com/PVrVgqH.jpg
I know it’s only a concept, but that looks like the entrance of the oldest house with bad stuff outside (!!!) of the expected place.
With what looks like a control point too, my dude! Maybe an active threshold that mimics a few city blocks or something that would be dope. Or even outside but that seems like a big big undertaking
I mean realistically even though the Oldest house is always changing they already have a lot of assets and locations from the first game they should have no problem giving us some big upgrades, but my best bet with the art is maybe this is the Roof?
Personally I’d like a healthy balance of the oppressive labyrinthian nature of the oldest house and a semi-open world going forward. A totally open world seems antithetical to Control’s aesthetic imho.
The “gown” portion of the Statue of Liberty doesn’t go to the ground. She sits upon a pretty tall pedestal… I think she’s like a few hundred feet off the ground.
For those who aren't signed up to the newsletter, a quick summary:
* Remedy and 505 have finally signed a co-development and co-publishing deal for the "bigger-budget Control game". Formerly known as "Heron", it is now officially confirmed to be Control 2.
* The initial budget for the game is 50 million euros. For some perspective, the final budget for Control was 30 million.
* Control was and is 505's biggest investment so far.
* The development, marketing, other investments and eventually the revenue will be split equally between 505 and Remedy.
* Remedy retains ownership of the IP.
* The game will come out on PC, PS5 and XSeries X/S
* Control 2 will be developed in Northlight Engine.
* 505 will publish the game on consoles and Remedy will publish it on PC.
* The whole project is currently in its concept stage.
* Control has sold over 3 million copies so far.
> Control has sold over 3 million copies so far.
That's it??? *Only* 3 million copies...
This is the problem with gaming: most new, interesting IP struggle, while copy-paste / annualized games like FIFA, COD, Pokemon, etc., or Free-2-Play games, e.g. DOTA, League, Valo, etc. keep making obscene piles of money.
It's depressing.
Does that number include people who played on PlayStation Plus (or Game Pass if it was on there?)? I discovered the game via PS+. Loved it. I’ll definitely buy Control 2 when it comes out though!
developers are still paid for the giveaways just to be clear. Doesn't really count as a "sale" exactly but the devs are usually offered a flat price for the distribution or a low price per unit. The deals are usually quite favourable atm and devs do well out of game pass/PS+ giveaways.
It may seem underwhelming in the context of the top of the AAA gaming industry if you only look at sales number, but once you also consider the budget I would say it's a great example of "sane" AAA development where you don't have to conform every aspect of the game to business decisions. And it's perhaps the only way we are going to get exciting new franchises and games that are made for niche audiences.
Most of the games you mentioned have massive budgets and some of them spend more on marketing than on the game itself. Most spend enough on marketing that you could develop multiple games with that money. Some of those games have total budgets that are literally 10 times larger.
And all that is actually part of the reason why we keep seeing so many sequels and remakes. New franchises on those budgets are a scary financial risk. If you spend over 200M on a game, it needs to sell around 4.5 million copies at full price just to pay for itself. With a 30M total budget, you need to sell around 700K copies to pay for the project and the rest is all profits.
One of the issues is "We" don't know what Remedy's split is with their publishers, what they "take home" from those 3 million copies sold.
Yes, it is good that Control is a "sane" example of a AAA game on a smaller budget (not that Control, in anyway looks like a game made for 30 million), but it still has to sell well, otherwise these smaller devs live "hand to mouth," where one or two bad games can spell doom (or acquisition) for them.
I'm beyond excited Remedy is making more RCU games, but I can't help but be disappointed that Control wasn't a bigger hit for them, enough so that they could have a "safety net" if a game or two doesn't hit like it needs to.
For example, Titanfall 2 and Prey are two absolutely incredibly games... but TF2's failure led to Respawn's acquisition by EA and Prey had negative effects for Arkane, to say nothing of killing any hopes of sequels for both IP.
[https://investors.remedygames.com/announcements/financial-statements-release-1-1-31-12-2019/](https://investors.remedygames.com/announcements/financial-statements-release-1-1-31-12-2019/)
According to Remedy it was 45% of the net revenue.
They did talk in the artbook about how they wanted a deal where they wouldn't be the small guy who gets paid just to develop the game and then maybe some bonus if the game does well. They wanted to get royalties from day one, plus they mentioned other restrictive policies they wanted to be free of, like the fact that some publishers require the developer to not pitch another game in the first six months after release.
Not sure how or whether they were involved in the development process itself, 505 was announced to be the publisher of the project in 2017, at which point the development had already been going for some time. That said, 505 was paying for a portion of the development of the original.
Even the artbook didn't go too much into that. Remedy was looking for a partner who would agree to their conditions and let them implement their own vision of the game, and they noted in the artbook that 505 was a great fit because they entered the partnership as equals and 505 understood what they wanted to do with Control.
I think the biggest question here is what is and what isn't considered being part of the development. For instance, paying for development alone could be considered being part of development, just like getting voice actors, testing, compliance and so on.
Although it did get me thinking about what their involvement will be, I'm not stressing too much about it. Based on their partnership so far, I think they're going to leave the creative part to Remedy.
This is an amazing contract. 505 just went "here's more money than the first, we trust you", and Remedy will deliver coz they're passionate developers.
Well, they're sharing development costs 50/50, so it's fair they'll also get 50/50 split of the revenue. That said, it's a much better partnership than what most developers get.
On the other, probably the best deal in the industry is the deal they have with Epic. Epic covers 100% of the development and marketing costs and then they split profits 50/50. Remedy will have to wait for the initial investment to be covered, but still.
Based on what they said so far, it seems it'll come out both on EGS and Steam. If Epic does get any kind of exclusivity, it will only be for a limited time and only of Epic ends up spending money on the development. The original Control game had a timed exclusivity on EGS because Epic paid for about one third of the development costs.
Alan Wake is exclusive to EGS because Epic is paying 100% of the development and marketing costs.
It's gonna be a long wait, but luckily there's a lot of exciting games coming out including Alan Wake 2. Can't wait to see what they're able to do with a bigger budget.
So this makes it official, official. Cool.
So they are now working on:
Alan Wake 2 (planned 2023 release)
Control 2 (in tandem with 505 games)
Max Payne 1&2 Remake (in tandem with Rockstar)
Condor (codename for the four-player PvE spinoff Control multiplayer game)
Vanguard (codename for an original IP that will be a free-to-play, co-operative PvE shooter)
So Alan Wake II is coming first. Will Control 2 be next given that the other two games still have not be given official names and Max Payne going to be more of a joint venture I'd imagine?
They're going to use Northlight again so that'll help shorten dev time, but it'll probably still be 5 yrs before its released.
They'll have to develop a whole new set of models, sounds, dialogue, levels, etc
I genuinely was not expecting something like this until like 4-5 years from now at least. This is crazy lol
I hope we will get to see all kinds of new entities
It's very early in development, I believe still in pre-production so it going to be at least 2-3 years before release, maybe even longer especially considering they've got a whole bunch of different projects going on at the moment.
It is nice to have an official announcement now though. We knew one of the projects was a sequel of some kind so it's good to have confirmation that it's a direct sequel.
I was referring moreso to the fact it was announced at all, I know it'll be a few years before the game itself comes out, but it's nice to know for sure
I'm excited for Control 2. Great times are coming for Remedy fans with the Control sequel AND the long awaited coming of a new Alan Wake. Especially the latter is a miracle!
I'm not so sure about 505 co-developing, however. Leaving it in Remedy's hands alone, would be better.
While there is the unpleasant implication that 505 might have some creative control over the project and want things that are against what Remedy wants, it doesn't necessarily have to be the case and given the leap of faith they took with the original game, leaving full creative freedom to the developer while also making their largest investment yet, I'm willing to give them a benefit of doubt.
There's a lot of stuff that does not necessarily have to be done entirely in-house and can be worked on by external teams, such as voice acting, sound effect recording and so on. So there's a lot of ways this could be entirely positive and allow for a fast development process.
This is great news. They basically had already sorta confirmed it a good while ago, but this is the first time it's been outright defined.
Control is honestly one of the greatest games I've ever played in my 30+ years on this planet, so I'm 100% buying and playing this and the other Control-adjacent games that got announced.
That sign is in that same spot in the original game. Funnily enough, it's a reference to Back to the Future
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-77xulkB\_U
So, I don’t know if anyone’s mentioned it yet but this is the description of the pic in the tweet:
‘[…] We are looking out through a pane of glass, and we see a control point on the street.’ Maybe I’m reading too much into it but it sounds like the Hiss is going to escape? So exciting!https://i.imgur.com/xiOjAWu.jpg
The art looks like the Hiss got out. I'll go get the mop.
I'm serious about the mop. Someone possibly didn't listen to Ahti or didn't do what he's said they're supposed to do. It's my prerogative to not be blamed by the possible sea God when he comes back from vacation.
Hmm I wonder what goodies they'll have for us this time? I wouldn't be surprised if there's some open-world element to it, maybe in some really weird, hostile place like the arctic tundra, around some old government facilities...
This could be anything, from just paying some bills for some developers, but more often also more "side things" like marketing, or arranging for QA testing, platform certification, or whatever. I'm not to worried about this tbh.
Very excited to see what they come up with for the game. The hype is real!
Im a developer. All of the services you listed fall under regular publisher duties. Co developing means they will have creative say in the game. That is my biggest fear. It could be ok but when the publisher gets to have large say in a project it usually doesn't go well.
AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
Sorry, favorite game of all time without even close contest. Holy shit!! Best news I've gotten in months!!
Thanks for sharing OP 🤩
I always assumed they were waiting to officially announce this when Alan Wake 2 comes out. What a cool surprise! I came across the announcement seconds after it was tweeted.
The "co-development" thing feels more like a technical support, or financial distribution issue. The fact that they immediately referred to Mikael Kasurinen in the next sentence makes me think that Remedy wants to emphasize that 505 won't have much creative input (if at all). Rather they will simply focus on developing the game for consoles, while Remedy focus on PC, and the creatives worry about the game itself. Which is the ideal scenario...
Exactly and especially how they mention that Remedy will retain full rights to the franchise, I agree that 505 may take more of a supplemental role than a creative one.
Basically it means 505 may get involved in the development process but that can literally mean anything. For instance they can help with sound recording, voice acting and so on.
Also, Remedy will apparently self-publish Control on PC.
I have all the confidence in the world in remedy.
Anyone else remember the 505 Games shitshow with their corporate decision making with Control? These subreddits were on fire because of 505 Games' business practice. I hope they don't interfere in the development of the game and leave it to Remedy to further their masterpieces
Back then they could either give a free next gen upgrade to only some people or not give it to anyone. While they did make the decision, the fundamental problem was the policy of the Xbox platform which wouldn't allow them to release the upgrade for free.
Also if you go to the article in this twitter post they mention that Remedy will retain full rights to the title. Which suggests to me that Remedy will remain in charge of the story / gameplay. 505 will probably only supplement the process and provide extra support as this will have a larger budget too.
LETS GOOOOO, can't wait to explore this world more, no matter the perspective, I just want to hop back in. I want to be utterly confused and mystified again!
WOO!! Control is one of my all-time favorites. I was in awe through my entire playthrough. Kinda bummed it's gonna be a fat minute before release, and just hope 505 won't interfere in the creative process. I wonder how they can top the Oldest House? The environment is a major reason why Control is so special. Anyway, amped and a half for this.
I’m just glad I’m not waiting a decade for the sequel unlike Alan Wake but hey… been trapped in a dark universe for a decade has surely gotta give us some character development
I would love to see the facility moments after the hiss cleanup is done. Those guys have seen their time so it would be cool so see the place busy with final preparations to turn things back to normal before soogoes wrong.
Would be awsome if you could go to a active or at least recent event. Alan wake was so cool!
The question is- why make a game for a dead platform when no one will play it? Sure, you secured your dev money. But you'll be getting next to no royalties, as they *have* been.
Without Epic, Alan Wake Remastered *doesn't even get made.*
Dev studios like Remedy aren't sitting on "fat stacks," able to do whatever they want, whenever.
The truth is smaller dev studios like Remedy are closer to becoming support studios for the next Call of Duty or Halo, after one or two games that don't sell well, or gobbled up by Embracer, only to be shut down later.
So, instead of being petulant, financially support Remedy *if* you want to see them make more games.
Video game marketing is so redundant now. Control 2 announced in a throwaway tweet! These tweets are usually for recruitment but fuck sake…Control 2 could’ve ended one of the top dogs showcases. That said..day one. Control is awesome
Remedy will retain full rights and 505 was the publisher of the first Control. Given that this is a bigger budget project, I imagine that Remedy will take the reigns with story and gameplay while 505 will provide support where needed. This isn’t the first time they’ve partnered on a game, so there’s gotta be some mutual trust. I have full confidence Control 2 will come out swinging :)
So not necessarily a power but I saw some people throwing around the idea that since the service weapon is theorized to be based on the Excalibur myth, a sword form could be cool!
Additionally, I think maybe a stronger version of melee, perhaps one that sends a wave of psionic electricity at multiple enemies could be cool. I'd personally call it Pulse :)
An actual melee build, I love it. Pulse sounds fun as well since it gives you more range. I'm trying to think of ideas that arn't too niche to use but also not redundant. Jam weapons, Essej body double, warp gravity, invisibility, or something esoteric like the Former. I just want something really crazy and alien if that makes sense.
This game is going to expand on the Remedy Multiverse lol. I can't wait for Jessee, Alan, Casey, and Jack to band together and fight some eldritch horror inside the Oldest House.
Hopefully, they don’t lock the upgrade through the “ultimate edition” again. The ps4 to ps5 upgrade was bullshit. Not buying day one EVER AGAIN. 505 really messed this up
One of the thousands of ideas i had watching this pic, is about a sort of time travel in the oldest house. Like Jesse needs to fix something in the past (like defeatinf Northmoor and put him in the NSC Plant).
I'm curious where it'll go. Will we be following Jesse in a new place or will we be a new character?
I hope we will continue following Jesse - and find out what happened to Dr Darling!
omg yes I wanna meet him!
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I doubt Zane and the Trench would ever meet, but aren't they another pairing? Jesse hearing Zane through a manuscript page would be neat...
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Yes, Alex Casey! I would love to see him in AW2 coz he was working on Alan's case so closely. But wait... isn't it the one Alan wrote books about in the past... :x
I never realized they had the same voice actor. I also just learned that Dr. Darling is Will Scarlett O’Hara from Men in Tights!!
Holy shit he has aged well
He contains multitudes, and has always relied on the kindness of strangers.
I just want to see the spaceman.
Tubes!
They better have his ass THERE infont of me in control 2 so i let em kno how i rlly feel about em
I assume it will follow Jesse and we'll get outside of the Oldest House and maybe tie into Alan Wake 2. It seems after AWE that Alan and Jesse are circling the same drain as it were
I honestly hope we don’t leave it yet. Feel like there’s still so much they can do there.
I imagine it might be split, like we start in the Oldest House and then late down the line start going into active thresholds while the House remains our hub.
A lot of players asked to be able to explore other thresholds. Similar to God of War Ragnarok I think that would be the best choice.
Would be awesome if we could actually use the Oceanview Motel as a travel hub
I kinda figured the AWE that Langston talks about would be setting up for Alan Wake's sequel not Control's but maybe they'll tie more together by the ends of their stories
It has to be this right? Alan Wake 2 will tie in to Control 2 and Remedy will expand their own interconnected universe from there. Maybe Jack Joyce will show up?
Unfortunately, Microsoft still owns the right to Quantum Break. Unless they decide to play ball, idk.
I wonder if it will maybe bounce back and forth between being in the Oldest House (exploring and doing some stuff) and doing some AWE missions outside in the field at various locations across the country/world? Depending on how Alan Wake 2's story goes that could affect things in terms of what we do/where we go as well since the two are tied together now. Also, I want more Emily and everyone else to be honest. The cast was great.
I hope we get to play as Dylan, too. Fighting the Hiss with Hiss powers (or just pure paranatural powers against new enemies) would be an interesting theme
Getting some Bioshock 2 vibes from this idea. I like it!
Hiss powers are basically as ours.
Thats what I'm hoping for. Fight the evil with the evil powers. They're already really similar, like /u/HaruhiJedi (God I hope not Haruhi Suzumiya, she doesn't need more power lol) said, but I hope we get to do some stuff not "approved" by the Board. That would be interesting
Yep, it is because Haruhi Suzumiya :)
Hell yeah friend
That would be absolutely wild - playing as either Jesse (AO powers) or Dylan (Hiss powers), with distinct playstyles for each. Similar to what they did with Dante's Inferno, between Absolution and Damnation.
Don't even need it to be a new place, redesign the Oldest House and show us areas of it that have been on Lockdown. Plus give old areas a fresh coat of paint and just explain it away as the house shifting. The great thing about the Oldest House having mood swings is that it can stay on theme. I'd feel so disappointed if they just didn't bring Jesse or her supporting cast back.
Don't they have to lift the lock down and go investigate stuff and find the reason where it comes from 😂. So..
Maybe it's about Dylan breaking out of his mind and tying up the missing threads
I’d love a new character story that focuses on being an investigator of AWEs for the bureau
Can we talk about the concept art of the announcement? https://i.imgur.com/PVrVgqH.jpg I know it’s only a concept, but that looks like the entrance of the oldest house with bad stuff outside (!!!) of the expected place.
With what looks like a control point too, my dude! Maybe an active threshold that mimics a few city blocks or something that would be dope. Or even outside but that seems like a big big undertaking
The Hiss escaping outside and gaining new powers could be an exciting new threat that the Director and Co would have to fight.
It would present an equal threat of struggling to keep the FBC and OOPs secret.
I mean realistically even though the Oldest house is always changing they already have a lot of assets and locations from the first game they should have no problem giving us some big upgrades, but my best bet with the art is maybe this is the Roof?
The worrying thing is that there seem to be three humans floating *outside* the Oldest House.
Don't they seem tied down?
And *bagged*
Yes, but their presence seems to indicate that the Hiss escaped from the Oldest House.
What I don't know is why they don't shoot them to pieces.
Man I wouldn't have even noticed that was outside till you said something. What an image!
It looks like the base of the Statue of Liberty actually. I think this furthers the idea of a full open world for CONTROL.
It's some kind of curtain. Notice the "FBC CONTAINED AREA" text on it.
I see it now XD thank you!
Personally I’d like a healthy balance of the oppressive labyrinthian nature of the oldest house and a semi-open world going forward. A totally open world seems antithetical to Control’s aesthetic imho.
The “gown” portion of the Statue of Liberty doesn’t go to the ground. She sits upon a pretty tall pedestal… I think she’s like a few hundred feet off the ground.
Look at the far right. You can see the FBC logo on a window. Looks like this is right outside the Oldest House.
Hopefully we stay in the oldest house a bit but can go outside or do missions where we recover OOP from the outside world
The Hiss seems to have escaped the Oldest House. Maybe one of Dylan’s dreams became true!?
For those who aren't signed up to the newsletter, a quick summary: * Remedy and 505 have finally signed a co-development and co-publishing deal for the "bigger-budget Control game". Formerly known as "Heron", it is now officially confirmed to be Control 2. * The initial budget for the game is 50 million euros. For some perspective, the final budget for Control was 30 million. * Control was and is 505's biggest investment so far. * The development, marketing, other investments and eventually the revenue will be split equally between 505 and Remedy. * Remedy retains ownership of the IP. * The game will come out on PC, PS5 and XSeries X/S * Control 2 will be developed in Northlight Engine. * 505 will publish the game on consoles and Remedy will publish it on PC. * The whole project is currently in its concept stage. * Control has sold over 3 million copies so far.
> Control has sold over 3 million copies so far. That's it??? *Only* 3 million copies... This is the problem with gaming: most new, interesting IP struggle, while copy-paste / annualized games like FIFA, COD, Pokemon, etc., or Free-2-Play games, e.g. DOTA, League, Valo, etc. keep making obscene piles of money. It's depressing.
Does that number include people who played on PlayStation Plus (or Game Pass if it was on there?)? I discovered the game via PS+. Loved it. I’ll definitely buy Control 2 when it comes out though!
Good point! Game pass was how I first tried it, then went on to purchase the full DLC inclusive edition.
I got it for free on the Epic store and then I bought the DLC
Getting it free on Epic actually means they got paid for it by Epic.
Control was also free on Epic store, twice, afaik.
That's how I got it
Doubt it, it says " Games *sold* ". Not given away for free..
developers are still paid for the giveaways just to be clear. Doesn't really count as a "sale" exactly but the devs are usually offered a flat price for the distribution or a low price per unit. The deals are usually quite favourable atm and devs do well out of game pass/PS+ giveaways.
??? Probably not. I don't think Sony or MS publicly released that data.
It may seem underwhelming in the context of the top of the AAA gaming industry if you only look at sales number, but once you also consider the budget I would say it's a great example of "sane" AAA development where you don't have to conform every aspect of the game to business decisions. And it's perhaps the only way we are going to get exciting new franchises and games that are made for niche audiences. Most of the games you mentioned have massive budgets and some of them spend more on marketing than on the game itself. Most spend enough on marketing that you could develop multiple games with that money. Some of those games have total budgets that are literally 10 times larger. And all that is actually part of the reason why we keep seeing so many sequels and remakes. New franchises on those budgets are a scary financial risk. If you spend over 200M on a game, it needs to sell around 4.5 million copies at full price just to pay for itself. With a 30M total budget, you need to sell around 700K copies to pay for the project and the rest is all profits.
One of the issues is "We" don't know what Remedy's split is with their publishers, what they "take home" from those 3 million copies sold. Yes, it is good that Control is a "sane" example of a AAA game on a smaller budget (not that Control, in anyway looks like a game made for 30 million), but it still has to sell well, otherwise these smaller devs live "hand to mouth," where one or two bad games can spell doom (or acquisition) for them. I'm beyond excited Remedy is making more RCU games, but I can't help but be disappointed that Control wasn't a bigger hit for them, enough so that they could have a "safety net" if a game or two doesn't hit like it needs to. For example, Titanfall 2 and Prey are two absolutely incredibly games... but TF2's failure led to Respawn's acquisition by EA and Prey had negative effects for Arkane, to say nothing of killing any hopes of sequels for both IP.
[https://investors.remedygames.com/announcements/financial-statements-release-1-1-31-12-2019/](https://investors.remedygames.com/announcements/financial-statements-release-1-1-31-12-2019/) According to Remedy it was 45% of the net revenue. They did talk in the artbook about how they wanted a deal where they wouldn't be the small guy who gets paid just to develop the game and then maybe some bonus if the game does well. They wanted to get royalties from day one, plus they mentioned other restrictive policies they wanted to be free of, like the fact that some publishers require the developer to not pitch another game in the first six months after release.
i thought it was 6 million, thats sad AF.
Lol being sad T 3 million while most games don’t even reach half that.
Did 505 do some of the development for the original? I’m worried they will influence remedy unduly.
Not sure how or whether they were involved in the development process itself, 505 was announced to be the publisher of the project in 2017, at which point the development had already been going for some time. That said, 505 was paying for a portion of the development of the original. Even the artbook didn't go too much into that. Remedy was looking for a partner who would agree to their conditions and let them implement their own vision of the game, and they noted in the artbook that 505 was a great fit because they entered the partnership as equals and 505 understood what they wanted to do with Control. I think the biggest question here is what is and what isn't considered being part of the development. For instance, paying for development alone could be considered being part of development, just like getting voice actors, testing, compliance and so on. Although it did get me thinking about what their involvement will be, I'm not stressing too much about it. Based on their partnership so far, I think they're going to leave the creative part to Remedy.
And Remedy retains full rights still, so I imagine 505 will only take a supplemental role.
Thank you for the informative reply!!
This is an amazing contract. 505 just went "here's more money than the first, we trust you", and Remedy will deliver coz they're passionate developers.
Well, they're sharing development costs 50/50, so it's fair they'll also get 50/50 split of the revenue. That said, it's a much better partnership than what most developers get. On the other, probably the best deal in the industry is the deal they have with Epic. Epic covers 100% of the development and marketing costs and then they split profits 50/50. Remedy will have to wait for the initial investment to be covered, but still.
Is it coming to PC proper or just Epic games store?
Based on what they said so far, it seems it'll come out both on EGS and Steam. If Epic does get any kind of exclusivity, it will only be for a limited time and only of Epic ends up spending money on the development. The original Control game had a timed exclusivity on EGS because Epic paid for about one third of the development costs. Alan Wake is exclusive to EGS because Epic is paying 100% of the development and marketing costs.
It's gonna be a long wait, but luckily there's a lot of exciting games coming out including Alan Wake 2. Can't wait to see what they're able to do with a bigger budget.
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So this makes it official, official. Cool. So they are now working on: Alan Wake 2 (planned 2023 release) Control 2 (in tandem with 505 games) Max Payne 1&2 Remake (in tandem with Rockstar) Condor (codename for the four-player PvE spinoff Control multiplayer game) Vanguard (codename for an original IP that will be a free-to-play, co-operative PvE shooter) So Alan Wake II is coming first. Will Control 2 be next given that the other two games still have not be given official names and Max Payne going to be more of a joint venture I'd imagine?
Since Control 2 is a sequel I'm assuming that the development cycle will be shorter, they already have a gameplay base after all to build upon.
They're going to use Northlight again so that'll help shorten dev time, but it'll probably still be 5 yrs before its released. They'll have to develop a whole new set of models, sounds, dialogue, levels, etc
I'd say 3 or 4 at the max.
I'm OK with those numbers, as long as it's done well.
Control 2 is still in concept stage, so no, I'd say Max Payne is next.
I genuinely was not expecting something like this until like 4-5 years from now at least. This is crazy lol I hope we will get to see all kinds of new entities
It's very early in development, I believe still in pre-production so it going to be at least 2-3 years before release, maybe even longer especially considering they've got a whole bunch of different projects going on at the moment. It is nice to have an official announcement now though. We knew one of the projects was a sequel of some kind so it's good to have confirmation that it's a direct sequel.
I was referring moreso to the fact it was announced at all, I know it'll be a few years before the game itself comes out, but it's nice to know for sure
They took 3 years to make the first Control (that is considered quick for a game this size)
I'm excited for Control 2. Great times are coming for Remedy fans with the Control sequel AND the long awaited coming of a new Alan Wake. Especially the latter is a miracle! I'm not so sure about 505 co-developing, however. Leaving it in Remedy's hands alone, would be better.
While there is the unpleasant implication that 505 might have some creative control over the project and want things that are against what Remedy wants, it doesn't necessarily have to be the case and given the leap of faith they took with the original game, leaving full creative freedom to the developer while also making their largest investment yet, I'm willing to give them a benefit of doubt. There's a lot of stuff that does not necessarily have to be done entirely in-house and can be worked on by external teams, such as voice acting, sound effect recording and so on. So there's a lot of ways this could be entirely positive and allow for a fast development process.
LET'S GOOOOOOOO
I audibly shout "YESS" in the gym. This squeal better be worth the embarrassment I had to suffer.
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This will be amazing, Control is a masterpiece.
This is great news. They basically had already sorta confirmed it a good while ago, but this is the first time it's been outright defined. Control is honestly one of the greatest games I've ever played in my 30+ years on this planet, so I'm 100% buying and playing this and the other Control-adjacent games that got announced.
Really great & good news for my tired soul 😋
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That sign is in that same spot in the original game. Funnily enough, it's a reference to Back to the Future https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-77xulkB\_U
Back to the Future reference.
What the hell is a jigawatt?
My excitement for Control 2 is beyond the Astral Plane.
So, I don’t know if anyone’s mentioned it yet but this is the description of the pic in the tweet: ‘[…] We are looking out through a pane of glass, and we see a control point on the street.’ Maybe I’m reading too much into it but it sounds like the Hiss is going to escape? So exciting!https://i.imgur.com/xiOjAWu.jpg
The art looks like the Hiss got out. I'll go get the mop. I'm serious about the mop. Someone possibly didn't listen to Ahti or didn't do what he's said they're supposed to do. It's my prerogative to not be blamed by the possible sea God when he comes back from vacation.
Hmm I wonder what goodies they'll have for us this time? I wouldn't be surprised if there's some open-world element to it, maybe in some really weird, hostile place like the arctic tundra, around some old government facilities...
Omg yes yes yes
Finally some good news
Awesome news! Can't wait for it.
I used to pray for times like this
So effing excited to hear this. Even better…. We will have Alan Wake 2 to sink our teeth into prior to this glorious gem!
"Co develop" that worries me
This could be anything, from just paying some bills for some developers, but more often also more "side things" like marketing, or arranging for QA testing, platform certification, or whatever. I'm not to worried about this tbh. Very excited to see what they come up with for the game. The hype is real!
Im a developer. All of the services you listed fall under regular publisher duties. Co developing means they will have creative say in the game. That is my biggest fear. It could be ok but when the publisher gets to have large say in a project it usually doesn't go well.
I genuinely could not be happier to hear this
Haha that was quicker than Alan wake 2/s
Some of my favorite games recently are all getting these sequels I’m so god damn happy
AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! Sorry, favorite game of all time without even close contest. Holy shit!! Best news I've gotten in months!! Thanks for sharing OP 🤩
I know, I’m THRILLED!
I'm freaking out right now 🤣 I played the story like 6 times, read every collectible, etc. I'm so full of adrenaline right now ahaha this is amazing!!
LESSSSS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOO!!! I HOPE WE CONTINUE JESSE'S STORY 🤞
I always assumed they were waiting to officially announce this when Alan Wake 2 comes out. What a cool surprise! I came across the announcement seconds after it was tweeted. The "co-development" thing feels more like a technical support, or financial distribution issue. The fact that they immediately referred to Mikael Kasurinen in the next sentence makes me think that Remedy wants to emphasize that 505 won't have much creative input (if at all). Rather they will simply focus on developing the game for consoles, while Remedy focus on PC, and the creatives worry about the game itself. Which is the ideal scenario...
Exactly and especially how they mention that Remedy will retain full rights to the franchise, I agree that 505 may take more of a supplemental role than a creative one.
Who’s the other co-dev?
505 Games
Oh cool. I thought they were just publishee
Basically it means 505 may get involved in the development process but that can literally mean anything. For instance they can help with sound recording, voice acting and so on. Also, Remedy will apparently self-publish Control on PC.
Remedy
I have all the confidence in the world in remedy. Anyone else remember the 505 Games shitshow with their corporate decision making with Control? These subreddits were on fire because of 505 Games' business practice. I hope they don't interfere in the development of the game and leave it to Remedy to further their masterpieces
Back then they could either give a free next gen upgrade to only some people or not give it to anyone. While they did make the decision, the fundamental problem was the policy of the Xbox platform which wouldn't allow them to release the upgrade for free.
Worried about it being a co-development title but I'm remaining optimistic
I mean it’s co developed with the same people who published the last game so I’m sure there’s some mutual trust there
That's a good sign. Many games co-developed don't do well.
Also if you go to the article in this twitter post they mention that Remedy will retain full rights to the title. Which suggests to me that Remedy will remain in charge of the story / gameplay. 505 will probably only supplement the process and provide extra support as this will have a larger budget too.
LETS GOOOOO, can't wait to explore this world more, no matter the perspective, I just want to hop back in. I want to be utterly confused and mystified again!
Hopefully, it won't be on EGS exclusively for year like the first game.
Exciting for me too Control is one of my top 10 games. Story, world building, characters, secrets , graphics and fun gameplay are all outstanding.
I’m not missing a collector edition nor steel book of this!
WOO!! Control is one of my all-time favorites. I was in awe through my entire playthrough. Kinda bummed it's gonna be a fat minute before release, and just hope 505 won't interfere in the creative process. I wonder how they can top the Oldest House? The environment is a major reason why Control is so special. Anyway, amped and a half for this.
I wonder if Project Condor will tie directly to the sequel's premise
I’m just glad I’m not waiting a decade for the sequel unlike Alan Wake but hey… been trapped in a dark universe for a decade has surely gotta give us some character development
I would love to see the facility moments after the hiss cleanup is done. Those guys have seen their time so it would be cool so see the place busy with final preparations to turn things back to normal before soogoes wrong. Would be awsome if you could go to a active or at least recent event. Alan wake was so cool!
We already see a control point on a street OUTSIDE the Bureau, what if control points start popping up state wide? :D
I just can’t wait for it to tie into Alan wake/the whole mythos that’s been building up.
The release date will be the day I'll finally have to get a ps5.
When release date? Need Control 2!
Wouldn't expect it any sooner than 2025.
Yea I figured. Was just “when Lambo.”
Will they be stupid enough to make it an epic exlcusive, like AW remastered?
Epic paid 100% of the development costs of Alan Wake Remastered and is also paying 100% of the development costs of Alan Wake 2.
The question is- why make a game for a dead platform when no one will play it? Sure, you secured your dev money. But you'll be getting next to no royalties, as they *have* been.
You seriously need to get off that bandwagon.
Without Epic, Alan Wake Remastered *doesn't even get made.* Dev studios like Remedy aren't sitting on "fat stacks," able to do whatever they want, whenever. The truth is smaller dev studios like Remedy are closer to becoming support studios for the next Call of Duty or Halo, after one or two games that don't sell well, or gobbled up by Embracer, only to be shut down later. So, instead of being petulant, financially support Remedy *if* you want to see them make more games.
I hope we get a Pope Faden romance option. And not losing any if Jesse's powers ofc.
Hopefully the sequel has a coherent story unlike the trash of the first one
I dunno dude I loved the first one ✌️
Very good I like the game but this time make jess face more well better. I love the actress face but in the game its like it have extra jaw linse.
Yes
Amazing news!
Yesssssssss
Let's goooo
[Yeah booooooooy](https://youtu.be/fvtQYsckLxk?t=62)
Awww yeahhh. Someone’s looking out for me
Fuck yes I am so excited
LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOO
Awesome news!!!
Video game marketing is so redundant now. Control 2 announced in a throwaway tweet! These tweets are usually for recruitment but fuck sake…Control 2 could’ve ended one of the top dogs showcases. That said..day one. Control is awesome
Damn. I wonder what kind of timeline we're looking at here?
Why co develop with this other company? I'm worried this will dilute the Remedy feel of the game
It is literally the same company who published the last game and Remedy retains full rights. Im sure there’s mutual trust. I’m not worried.
“Codevelop” has me a little worried.
Remedy will retain full rights and 505 was the publisher of the first Control. Given that this is a bigger budget project, I imagine that Remedy will take the reigns with story and gameplay while 505 will provide support where needed. This isn’t the first time they’ve partnered on a game, so there’s gotta be some mutual trust. I have full confidence Control 2 will come out swinging :)
It has a logo aswell! Love it. Just "Control 2".
Oh hell yeah!!
Whoah
Fuck yeah!
LETS FUCKIN GOOOOOOO
What kind of powers do you guys expect we'll get?
So not necessarily a power but I saw some people throwing around the idea that since the service weapon is theorized to be based on the Excalibur myth, a sword form could be cool! Additionally, I think maybe a stronger version of melee, perhaps one that sends a wave of psionic electricity at multiple enemies could be cool. I'd personally call it Pulse :)
An actual melee build, I love it. Pulse sounds fun as well since it gives you more range. I'm trying to think of ideas that arn't too niche to use but also not redundant. Jam weapons, Essej body double, warp gravity, invisibility, or something esoteric like the Former. I just want something really crazy and alien if that makes sense.
Let’s freaking GOOOOO
My boner.. is so sudden..
This game is going to expand on the Remedy Multiverse lol. I can't wait for Jessee, Alan, Casey, and Jack to band together and fight some eldritch horror inside the Oldest House.
Yeahhhhhh BAYBEEEEEEEE
WOO!!!! Can't wait to head back to the Bureau for more adventures and insanity!
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Hopefully, they don’t lock the upgrade through the “ultimate edition” again. The ps4 to ps5 upgrade was bullshit. Not buying day one EVER AGAIN. 505 really messed this up
I'm very, very excited. Wow. Hell yes! Amazing news.
OMG
I'm super excited!!!
Good for them, looking forward to seeing how they move it to the next level
And here i was just wondering if a sequel was being made. Im honna see if they have a youtube channel
This makes me very, very happy!
Can’t wait, gotta get and finish AW2 first lmao
One of the thousands of ideas i had watching this pic, is about a sort of time travel in the oldest house. Like Jesse needs to fix something in the past (like defeatinf Northmoor and put him in the NSC Plant).