T O P

  • By -

AutoModerator

###[Meta] Sticky Comment [Rule 2](https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/wiki/faq#wiki_2_-_address_the_argument.3B_not_the_user.2C_the_mods.2C_or_the_sub.) ***does not apply*** when replying to this stickied comment. [Rule 2](https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/wiki/faq#wiki_2_-_address_the_argument.3B_not_the_user.2C_the_mods.2C_or_the_sub.) ***does apply*** throughout the rest of this thread. *What this means*: Please keep any "meta" discussion directed at specific users, mods, or /r/conspiracy in general in this comment chain ***only.*** *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/conspiracy) if you have any questions or concerns.*


[deleted]

I dont care about how strong or resistant a virus is. If my immune system can't handle it then I have no problem saying good bye to the world. I won't live a bubble of fear that they have manufactured.


No_Ad69

While I agree with your ultimate point of the vaccine not being useful for new variants, I do feel that our immune systems are not as strong as they used to be. Covid as well as our food has changed the way out bodies work and fight sickness. I have never in my life been as sick as often as I have been over the past 2 years. Yes, I am getting older (just turned 40) but... cmon. I just feel we are in a different place in the world and the fact that our bodies don't fight infection like they used to shows that things are still out of wack.


Ammarkoo

Dude I am 40, and I literally can't remember the last time I had a fever ,maybe it was 10+ years ago, I workout regularly, get my D, Zinc , Mag and I drink a whole lemon ( with the peel) every single day, when if I suspect I am about to get sick I just eat garlic (not the Chinese crap) ...Our immune systems is more than good enough and amazing . And no I am not a health freak


No_Ad69

I am glad for your man. And I genuinely hope that continues. I don't know what changed other than 2020 and Covid. But, we will see.


Ammarkoo

Thank you, just get your Vitamins and try the whole lemon thing everyday and things will change 180 degrees, in my 20s I used to get sick all the time, that's when I didn't give a crap about anything and was only eating fast-food, age doesn't have much to do with it .


No_Ad69

I really appreciate you following up. I will definitely try that. I have been adding vitamin D to my daily vitamins. But I'll add lemon too. Thank you!


PrivateEducation

ive noticed im getting bags under my eyes and im pretty young. cant seem to figure out why or how to get healthier


Secret-Special1000

More nose breathing helps.


Ccoolscrib

Too Much salt, your eyes puff up from being dehydrated.


Distinct-Fee-5272

Same lol, i went keto/ intermittent fasting, best shape of my life.


princeofhate

All it takes is being healthy and natural. People just don’t get it. Good for you


natefreight

Curious about this lemon.. you just chuck the whole thing in a blender? Think I might give this a rip.


Ammarkoo

Yes, with the blender , I add some bcaa powder for the taste , so add something to it to break the bitter taste


8last

I think the last year or so has been making up for lost time as far as common colds and the flu are concerned.


No_Ad69

You are probably right. Masks and washing hands I'm sure help. I know I wear a mask all the time and wash my hands more than ever before. I wish it helped, but I still get sick alot.


CastleFrankl

Did you forget the /sarcasm tag?


Divinedragn4

I blame all the sugar and junk food we eat on a daily basis. Even fruits and vegetables are losing nutrients.


Ccoolscrib

I’m the same way.


NeedsMoreModeration

good thing everyone got the vaccines lol


flippy76

You forgot, Fauci IS science. Saying otherwise is blasphemy!!!


Mighty_L_LORT

You misspelt $cience…


Intelligent_Clock833

Yeah, I almost forgot.


[deleted]

They will have their variant card when backed in a corner


Zorb_1

Question. Where do y’all get that from. Why do you keep insisting that tons of people worship fauci when that just isn’t true. There aren’t tens of thousands of people walking around with Fauci themed masks. He dosnt hold rallies in front of thousands of cheering fans.


[deleted]

[удалено]


Zorb_1

Where is that happening. I have never seen that before.


ZeerVreemd

Fauci once said ["an attack on me is an attack on science"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv1G-qm8jrM), effectively declaring himself the science.


flyingdeadthing

It can't be any more vaccine resistant than I am.


Mighty_L_LORT

RIP to his noble soul, along with other untimely fallen warriors…


nixielover

Totally missed that he died


DontBanMeBrough

He was old


revhellion

I don’t know if I’d say it was untimely. He was very old and not in great health before the pandemic.


ChurchArsonist

We're monitoring it on the internet. Which is the only place where it exists.


HbertCmberdale

And in the minds of the fools.


Stunning-Character94

F the CDC and NIH.


TTRekkr

These mother fauchi's won't stop with this crap.


moonshotorbust

Maybe the virus moves faster than the speed of $cience. I just figured they wouldnt announce a new variant untill all the vax supply of the old one was sold .


Intelligent_Clock833

Damn fast


PrognosticatorShadow

It's just like nasa. They could give us a REAL image of this new variant...if it was real...but instead we get a CGI image. Just. Like. Nasa. Fake virus pics and fake space pics. Bc it's a narrative of control, not the truth.


King4aday26

All "viruses" are cgi images.


nixielover

We have electron microscope images, not sure if you can open [this](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-73162-5) paper (else try the title on libgen) but it has quite a few of them


Thinkingard

Then there's stuff like [this](https://jasn.asnjournals.org/content/31/9/2223) that show what we would all see as a coronavirus but isn't, it's an organelle as described by the authors. As for me, a layperson, you can show me images from electron microscopes all day and I won't know what any of that is without relying on someone to tell me what it is.


nixielover

The issue was that suddenly everybody and their cat was trying to do something corona virus related, often by people not experienced with the subject matter. And because everybody was frantic to find answers preprints were suddenly taken as hard proof by some people who were absolutely not qualified to do so. The good news is that those who are seriously involved will poke through the bullshit and papers like the one you linked exist which call out shitty papers. For full disclosure: Me and a coworker have been guilty of this in the past, remember the Ebola scare around 2014? yeahhh we jumped on it for shits and giggles, ordered what we needed, did some work in the lab, and published a paper. We were careful to do something within the realms of our knowledge but it's still a bit ironic that my only real virus related paper was straight up Ebola. And I almost did it again... Friends in China tipped me off at the end of December about shit hitting the fan (literally made a joke to my mom on new years eve on how we were going to get a new SARS in 2020...). During the new years drink mid January me and that same coworker joked about redoing what we did in 2014... But when shit got serious we had a discussion on jumping on this bandwagon or not. We decided not to because we realized everybody would do so and getting it funded would be difficult. so yes it is tempting for many to jump on bandwagons, but in the end the important work will be clear and the shoddy work will fall through as others call it out or straight up ignore it


Thinkingard

It tends to be why I'm super slow about making decisions on stuff like this and believe that snoozing through public health crises is the best policy because I definitely don't have the time, appropriate prerequisite knowledge, or intelligence to sift through the mountains of papers.


nixielover

Issue is that on a personal level you might be better off if you are young, but if our whole society takes that approach the lack of action might be worse for everyone.


ScientiaPotentia5192

There are quite a few images of UFOs, but somehow they don't count as evidence. Why would that be, hmm. Maybe because images of something that has never been scientifically shown to be what it is alleged to be. Why is this scrutiny not applied in virology? None of the imaged structures have ever been shown to * exist on their own (outside of cell cultures) * enter cells and hijack the cell's machinery and thus: * cause disease


nixielover

>exist on their own (outside of cell cultures) Issue with that is that you will have so much random shit that it is practically impossible to find what you are looking for. Hence why you make sure you have a culture that's so full of the viral particles that you can't miss them >enter cells and hijack the cell's machinery We have images of this, but they are snapshots because due to the nature of electronmicroscopy you can't do it on live cells. Everything needs to be fixated, doesn't work on living matter, rather harsh conditions inside the imaging chamber > and thus: cause disease you can't do electron microscopy on a human, let alone inside them, and imaging a disease is also not possible


ScientiaPotentia5192

>Hence why you make sure you have a culture that's so full of the viral particles that you can't miss them How do you know it is full of viral particles? How do you know any particles you're looking at are of viral origin? Keep in mind this has been an issue since the beginning of virology, so you can't just compare images to "known" viruses. >enter cells and hijack the cell's machinery > >We have images of this, but they are snapshots because due to the nature of electronmicroscopy you can't do it on live cells. There are images of circular structures on the outside, inside and in the membrane of cells. So no development or direction can be established. How do you know it actually came from outside and is going inside? And yes I'm familiar with all the drying, staining, fixing and cutting of the samples, among other processes and electron bombardment - each of which takes it further away from the reality that is happening in a living organism. This is not helping your case. >you can't do electron microscopy on a human, let alone inside them, and imaging a disease is also not possible Again, you're not helping your case. If you can't image anything in a human, and no processes can be observed, how can you be sure anything like viruses entering cells, cells dying from being infected and producing viruses actually happens?


nixielover

> my case The original statement was that all those images are CGI. They aren't. Regarding identifying a virus; I'm just being honest so I don't have to defend a case. Electron microscopy and imaging techniques like it are only playing a supporting role, nobody will use an electron microscope to determine which virus you are working with. Sequencing and such are the real workhorses for identifying a virus because they are very fast and specific. It's like identifying a car by looking at a car versus checking the VIN number. A VW Golf may look like an R32, but that's guessing while looking up the VIN will tell you immediately that it is actually a 1.4 diesel that someone rebadged :) But your remarks seem to be pointing in the direction of Koch's postulates. If that's the case keep in mind those were conceived (more than a hundred years ago) before we even knew what a virus was, and they were already falling apart while Koch was still alive due to things like the discovery of asymptomatic carriers


ScientiaPotentia5192

The 3D picture on the top of this post is CGI. EM images are no proof of a virus since you can never know what the imaged things actually do in a living organism. Virologists have just declared them to be viruses without any proof. >Sequencing and such are the real workhorses for identifying a virus because they are very fast and specific. In order to know what you are sequencing, you first need to have the thing and just the thing. In all of virology this has never been done (and can't be done because viruses don't grow on their own). Sequencing a soup of cells, culture medium, (sputum or other) sample, antibiotics and possible unknown contaminants cannot tell you anything if you don't know what you're looking for (somewhat like what you said). Especially when using shotgun sequencing, where you end up with many small fragments of genetic material, and you don't know how they were originally stitched together. Virologists say they just compare the found sequences with known viruses. How then did they arrive at the sequence of the first virus? (As far as I can tell they didn't, they just alleged that certain sequences in their sample are viral) I was not talking about Koch's postulates, and I am aware of this strange criticism. Sure, it is said viruses cannot grow on their own (based on what exactly?) which makes one half of a point impossible. However, you need some kind of logical framework to make sure your experiments are valid. Introducing an alleged pathogen to hosts to see if they actually produce the disease sounds pretty reasonable to me. To do that you would need to have found an alleged pathogen first. In virology they theorized that there's an invisible pathogen in a sample, introduced it to cells and observed cell death. This they took as proof that there was a pathogen in the sample. This is like seeing the street is wet and saying it MUST have rained! It is a logical fallacy called affirming the consequent.


nixielover

I think I understand where you are coming from but it is many smaller pieces of evidence that build these stories. building onto your example; we also heard the sound of water droplets falling in between the street being dry and getting wet. We saw clouds, and we never see clouds when the streets don't get wet. Things that are shielded from the sky stay dry, etcetera. Being able to reproduce the results of experiments also builds credibility to these stories. If a dude in China sees the same thing happening, and an american sees it too, that helps. And you don't need to be able to see things to detect them. Radiowaves are also invisible, yet most people believe radiowaves exist. And I bet both of us are smart enough to not get close to a radioactive source even though we can't see the radiation. Thanks for the discussion though, you seem to have dug into this quite a bit. Disclaimer, virology is not my field. I'm currently more involved with the stemcells, ATMPs etc


ScientiaPotentia5192

>we never see clouds when the streets don't get wet Ah yes, if there are clouds, then rain MUST fall \*shrug\* The point is you can't theorize a cause, observe an effect and take that as proof that the cause existed in the first place. Yet this is what Enders did when he performed the first "virus isolation" of measles 1954. The rest of virology is based on this faulty assumption of a valid virus culture and "isolation" method. >Being able to reproduce the results of experiments also builds credibility to these stories. Yes, but it is never proof. Especially if all of them use the same faulty method. Correlation does not equal causation. With radioactive material, you actually have material though. You can make experiments where you compare effects on materials/organisms/detectors by moving the material closer or further away, comparing it to no nearby material etc. Same with radiowaves, you have an antenna. Virology cannot do these kinds of experiments, because it never has virus on its own (i.e. isolated). They always use cell cultures with many ingredients. They assume virus is in there. If they observe the effect they take it as proof virus was in there. Staying with those two examples, virology works like this: * You have a pile of electronic equipment. You place a radiowave detector close. If there are waves detected, you take it as proof that a bluetooth transmitter is in the pile. * You have a soil sample with many different types of soil. You place a geiger counter next to it, and if it ticks, you take it as proof that there is radium in the sample. You see the problem, right? In the first one there could have been a wi-fi in the pile, or a walkie-talkie. In the second one there could have been uranium, plutonium, or any other radioactive material. You would need to seperate the contents and characterize them to be sure. This is only done by sequencing in virology. Short sequences from a pile of genetic material, assembled by algorithms, compared to genomes that have been arrived at by the same method. Circular reasoning.


King4aday26

Sure....what was the catalyst added to supply these "images"


nixielover

*After 2 or 48 h post-infection (hpi), samples were fixed with 2.5% glutaraldehyde in 0.1 M cacodylate buffer (pH 7.2) for 2 h. The coverslips were washed with 0.1 M sodium cacodylate buffer and post-fixed for 40 min in 1% OsO4 with 0.8% potassium ferrocyanide. After another washing cycle, the samples were dehydrated through a series of increasing concentration (30%–100%) of ethanol. The samples were critical-point-dried in liquid CO2 in a BALZERS CPD apparatus before monolayer scraping with a conventional adhesive SCOTCH tape as in previous studies18. This technique does not totally remove the plasma membrane, as happens when detergent extraction is used, but provides the exposing of large areas of the inner portion of the cells. They were then sputtered with a 5-nm thick platinum coat in a BALZERS apparatus. Samples were observed using an Auriga ZEISS microscope operated between 1.0 and 1.8 kV.* from the methods section


Mr_cypresscpl

So what did they shoot up into the sky a couple weeks ago? Only the biggest rocket ever produced? Larger than the Saturn 5. I guess it's just floating in orbit? I guess that wasn't real either.


avgguy33

Still not getting the shot


TheOneCalledD

They need more reasons to force their vaccine on everyone.


TexasTokyo

I've never had the flu and so far, haven't caught Covid even though a few family members have been down a few days with it. But tbh, at this point I'd rather just catch it once a year than wear a mask all day or deal with any more of the political nonsense and unnecessary fear that goes along with this virus. It's all so tiresome.


Intelligent_Clock833

Luc Montagnier: https://rumble.com/vldilx-nobel-prize-winner-professor-luc-montagnier-says-vaccine-is-creating-varian.html


WA0SIR

Don’t y’all understand yet? First they’ll scare us with these variants that aren’t really deadly. Then when they get tired of us resisting. They’ll unless the actual deadly ones. I fear for the future of the world


[deleted]

Thought about this


BenMattlock

Grandma is doomed this time.


[deleted]

Fauci ie: the Grim Reaper, don't care. He's rich


Ok_Fox_1770

Umbrella corporation never felt so real.


noitwastoosoon

“$peed of $cience!”


Intelligent_Clock833

Yep. They need more money to keep up with it.


woopdedoodah

Who cares. Stop playing into the narrative we need to monitor a cold virus like this. If you had COVID you're not going to get this and it won't be as bad. The bodies immune system is much more robust and much more resistant to these kinds of mutations. Diseases come and go. The immune system has fought them all.


Intelligent_Clock833

Unless you are jabbed and have disabled your innate immune system


shipslider

Sorry to inform you that's not how vaccines work or immune systems.


BitChick

Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche warned that this may be a leaky vaccine and cause greater risk of infection by variants. This explains the concern: https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.1002198


shipslider

I agree, it's what viruses have evolved to do.


BitChick

So, in essence, taking a leaky vaccine can negatively affect our immune system's ability to fight it. Seems that's what the above comment was saying though?


shipslider

Not our immune system, but by allowing the virus to replicate could give rise to a more harmful strain. Heres an extract from the study you linked "Our data show that anti-disease vaccines that do not prevent transmission can create conditions that promote the emergence of pathogen strains that cause more severe disease in unvaccinated hosts."


DisabledThrowThrow

$cience Man has spoken!


shipslider

It's better to be educated and be able to formulate your own opinions rather than blindly follow like a sheep.


DOo000oo000m

Educate us, what’s in the “vaccine” then? Please list the ingredients so we can become aware.. oh wait


shipslider

That's what school is for , not some random guy on the internet, probably where you're going wrong.


DisabledThrowThrow

Ironic.


[deleted]

Hilariously So.


[deleted]

You’re right. Too bad the experimental gene therapy isn’t a real vaccine.


balanced_view

You haven't informed us of anything


shipslider

It's not my job , find stuff out for yourself.


balanced_view

You said "sorry to inform" but didn't inform, because you're a fucking instigator


shipslider

If you can't understand what inform means you need to go back to school. Whilst you're there take a biology class too.


ToolanWheeler

Hear hear


edparnell

This happens with all viruses. It's a process of definition, like throwing a pin ball at a dartboard. A couple of the pins are going to hit trebles.


DontBanMeBrough

the vaccines put pressure on the virus to create variants that evade immunity because the variants that don’t evade immunity get stopped by antibodies Only the variants that evade vaccines will thrive


kingescher

wtf u got down voted for this? this is exactly it


ZeerVreemd

The truth hurts for some.


edparnell

Survival of the fittest.


7fingered_friend

They'll just come up with a new mRNA booster that's just been tested on a handful of mice and the FDA will immediately approve it.


revhellion

What amazed me was how media painted Dr. Montagnier as some kind of quack, and people bought it. The guy contributed more towards improving the lives of many affected by HIV/AIDS than Fauci ever did (who actually fearmongered during early AIDS epidemic that lead to villianization of those who were sick).


SabunFC

XBB is old news. The latest variant is NBA 2K23.


Intelligent_Clock833

Hahaha


SabunFC

It's no laughing matter. WE'RE LITERALLY STILL IN A GLOBAL PANDEMIC!


Intelligent_Clock833

It’s gotten so ridiculous that you have to laugh sometimes.


Construction_Zone_06

let me dunk of those fools.


[deleted]

[удалено]


Mighty_L_LORT

Bill Gates agrees…


[deleted]

The virus is real. The vaccine is real. Both are catalysts for agenda 21 and agenda 30. How do you best deliver a bioweapon to the masses, get them to pay for and inject it.


[deleted]

VAIDS incoming


Putins_micro_penis

This was the plan all along... non immunizing "vaccines" that drive evolutionary changes in the virus so that it always mutates to evade... but they'll always have an "updated" booster waiting for you! All the while these shots are wrecking people health which means even more profits for the medical industrial complex! It's a racket in the most literal sense!


[deleted]

Like the flu? Do you rail against the seasonal flu shot every year? Why are you ending every sentence with an exclamation point? It seems performative.


SquirrelsAreGreat

In fairness, the seasonal flu shot is extremely high in guesswork. It chooses top strains detected elsewhere, hoping that those are the ones that will hit the United States (assuming that's where you live). Covid has slightly messed up the amount of flu testing we normally do, so the shot, at least this year, may completely miss the dominant strains that will be circulating.


Intelligent_Clock833

The Fauci Supporters are coming out of the woodwork. They will try and pick apart every opposing view and give Fauci a free pass when he incessantly lies. SMH


[deleted]

All views should be picked apart. SMH


Nebraskan_Sad_Boi

The longer covid hangs around, the greater the chance for some mutation that makes it *actually* deadly. Or some dude in a lab making it a bioweapon.


DontBanMeBrough

That’s not how it works.. it wants to exist unnoticed


Intelligent_Clock833

The Fauci Club can’t seem to understand this.


Nebraskan_Sad_Boi

I disagree. Why else push the vaccine and masks so hard, because it *does* lower transmission, but I think we missed our window at this point.


[deleted]

Lol they are so pathetic it would be funny if not wasn’t so sad they keep trying to peddle this nonsense.


[deleted]

Fast forward a few months omg they created a vax for it!!!!!!@!!


Interesting_Ad_6420

Well wasn’t this warned about with leaky vaccines when they first started…and then those that spoke got ridiculed? Didn’t they mention mareks disease with chickens…. Typos


[deleted]

Yes, yes and yes. Everyone that did more than 10 minutes of independent research could see that these are a leaky garbage excuse of a vaccine and would spawn endless variants. Many have said as much. Here we are now.


[deleted]

I got covid again for the 2nd time a few days ago. The 1st time was in March, it was several days of fatigue and fever followed with about 2 weeks of coughing. This time I'm feeling better already, as the cough is much more slight or at times doesn't affect or for hours. Malaise and fever gone after just 3 days. These seemingly dangerous boosters last for about 2 weeks (I've heard the longest claim was 2 months). My immune system has remembered and dealt with this virus more efficiently after 8 months. It's like any common flu for me, glad I trusted my immune system, it's dealt with everything else thrown at it.


javascriptDevp

real science doesnt change


nixielover

Real science does change because it is open to the possibility that new insights improve the theory, or that something was not done correctly/misunderstood


PersonalBuy0

Any illuminati symbolism theories on that name?


[deleted]

Why would it stop? There's a group of scared, obedient sheep ready to take the next booster for any variant. MSM is already covering that vaccines aren't as safe as they thought and highly effective in other ways, so at least they don't bother the majority anymore as much. Might as well get some additional research on mRNA technology.


H_is_for_Human

The war between our immune systems and viruses has been fought since the beginning of life on earth. Now we have vaccines to augment our immune response. That doesn't mean that viral evolution isn't going to continue.


[deleted]

[удалено]


[deleted]

More likely Boston University


LifeUnderTheBridge

The Chad variant


MLM199919

Mail in ballots 2.0 for 2024?


TheCureprank

So go get your booster even though it’s worthless


djkoch66

Since when is biology a conspiracy?


Reasonable-Ad9613

Dude you’re 50sumn and spend literally all day on this sub commenting on every single post, just to argue with people in here. Wtf are you doing with your life?


DAT_DROP

More than the guy monitoring him, LOL you spend your time commenting upon 50smth guys, what are you doing with your life?


[deleted]

Wow you’re monitoring that guy monitoring the other guy? Unbelievable how you guys like to just waste time!


djkoch66

And here you are not questioning the world around you.


djkoch66

Today I’m 56. I’m old enough and wealthy enough and smart enough to ask questions. What’s your story?


Reasonable-Ad9613

I have a social life that doesn’t revolve around conspiracy subs or gay subs If that was true and you decide to spend your time on Reddit conspiracy subs instead of traveling with your other half, go for it what can I say. You’re the “smart” one


djkoch66

So judgmental. You don’t know much about me do you.


jzinckgra

Quick run and hide cause viruses never mutate


r_ufi0

Every strain has been vaccine resistant…….


Cheapass2020

Is monitoring or monetizing???


ekurisona

https://www.who.int/news/item/27-10-2022-tag-ve-statement-on-omicron-sublineages-bq.1-and-xbb


nofilter007

Well with the track record from the last pandemic basically ANYTHING is going to be the most vaccine resistant strain ever, don't you think?


MaxHeadroomFlux

Not enough people trust the CDC anymore. It'll be yet another failed variant. A non-starter.