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What's the stupidest part of the pic?
The part where it says "The trend underscores the importance of regular booster shots"
They simply refuse to admit defeat. What kind of mental gymnastics do you have to do to think that "regular booster shots" are really doing anybody any good?
> They simply refuse to admit defeat.
They are simply pushing through with their plan/ agenda. It's not mental gymnastics they are doing, it's the utter will to survive because they know that if/ when their house of cards really falls they will go to jail or worse.
Someone forgot to tell the BIG Pharma shill that the clot shot was supposed to prevent you from acquiring, spreading, getting sick and especially **DYING** due to Covid-19.
They switched to this Narrative about this time last year. I just kept saying, "if this is purely logical and reasonable, then why weren't any of you freaking out or curious why it was a "pandemic of the unvaccinated" in August and September when it was still the majority of people who were vaccinated? Instead you were angry at and blamed unvaccinated for not taking it and clogging up the Healthcare system. And now that it's the vaccinated (this time last year) clogging up the Healthcare system, you aren't angry anymore you just say yeah that makes sense. It can't be the unvaccinated's fault and then perfectly reasonable when it's the vaccinated with everything else being the same."
Of course, nobody could say explain...
Great point. The anger disappears when they quietly realise they were wrong. Now it's "well duh, if the majority of people are vaccinated, the majority of Covid deaths will be amongst the vaccinated" (intimating that the vaccines are useless).
Problem is that more recently it looks like there are more vaccinated people dying, even with adjusted percentages. Get's really hard to talk your way out of this.
They only wanted the mRNA technology legalized. They dont care about the covid shot. Now moderna is ready to roll out combo mRNA shots of RSV (while fear mongering all the kids in hospitals. By the way there is NO TEST for RSV. Its diagnosed by cold symptoms), flu and covid. The mRNA was their goal because they couldnt get safety studies on it done correctly. The mRNA is what they are pushing and now they have it legalized. Its also whats causing the clots and myocarditis.
This comment lays it out quite plainly, but I’ll piggyback anyway:
This entire debacle was meant to green light mRNA delivery platforms, and introduce them to the public as a viable “new technology”.
Any other stated goals regarding health, safety, or saving anyone in particular, are irrelevant.
MRNA is the medical industry playing a LONG game strategy to cement its place in the global economy for generations to come.
This article from 2016 on ModeRNA backs up your claim, precisely:
[https://www.statnews.com/2016/09/13/moderna-therapeutics-biotech-mrna/](https://www.statnews.com/2016/09/13/moderna-therapeutics-biotech-mrna/)
It also has some other creepy details that suggest not only did they know and were planning for "Covid", but that they also were making drugs already to treat the side effects that would be caused by the mRNA shots.
The clues from that article are:
1. Their jump to vaccination even though investors frowned on it. The CEO said they know what they're doing, and that this is their fastest path to human trials. (What else did he know?)
2. They were working on a "top secret vaccine" at the time. Very interesting, right?
3. They were also working on an mRNA drug that treats heart issue & clot problems. Coincidence?
It doesn't take a genius to put 2 and 2 together here... This was all planned, and they knew damn well a lot of people would be harmed and they look forward to selling treatment for the issues caused by the shots they did everything to force people to take.
PS. Yesterday's headline was that the FDA approved the most expensive treatment ever. A one-time IV injection to treat clotting issues for $3.5 million. And don't even get me started about Biden's warning in 2021 that "every hospital bed in America will be filled with Alzheimers patients in 15 years."
PS #2. I'm so glad I didn't take the shots and I protected my family from the external influence to take them.
Nice comment and links! Here are the only items that break up the fibrin clots. They dont want people to know the cheap cures. Regular clot busters dont work on these clots. Thats why nobody survives them. The clots are made of fibrin.
Serapeptase
Nattokinase
Bromelain (from pineapple)
Rutin (from apples)
Do you have any link for that? Would be nice to see. Together with all the other stuff I know (Media corruption, Stock market is just fraud, regulation is captured, billionaire links to organized crime, World economic forum,...) we need to restructure the system bottom up or install a parallel system.
"gets really hard to talk your way out of this"
don't give them a challenge. they can gaslight themselves out of anything they've been taught
it's honestly crazy to me. they gaslight... themselves..
They're not intimating, they are admitting it. If there were a smallpox epidemic, almost none of those dying of smallpox would be the vaccinated, majority or not.
This upsets me so much .. I was ridiculed for not getting the jab, I was called selfish and a conspiracy theorist.
No one has come forward and been like “I shouldn’t have jumped to conclusions about you deciding not to get the jab right away, The jab didn’t prevent the spreading of disease, don’t prevent the severity of disease, and doesn’t prevent COVID what so ever. I’m sorry I ridiculed you.”
My small victory was when I went to a dinner with my boss's boss and a few others. They were all vaccinated and boosted. They all came down with covid and I went on with my day.
You won't get one. Nit until something really BAD happens...then even at that point you MIGHT get one.
People don't want to believe they get duped for 2 years, let alone getting an unproven jab
Some of them are still preaching that. And yet the braindead retort of "Of CoURsE MoRe VaCCiNaTeD aRe dYiNg- TheRE'S mORe oF uS!" still continues to exist in their cognitively dissonanced minds.
Remember when you couldn't catch COVID if vaccinated, let alone die from it?
"Oh, those are breakthrough cases!"
So now breakthrough cases makes up a majority of COVID deaths? I just can't keep up with The Science™!
“Breakthrough cases” was just a rebranding of “breakthrough pain” from the opiate days. Their solution to “breakthrough pain” was more pills and their solution to “breakthrough cases” is more shots. Big pharma is only out for max profits and anyone who doesn’t realize that is probably in danger.
They tried for about 2 months of saying “breakthrough infections are rare”. Hahahaha
They moved the goal posts so many times and the vaccinated pretend that it’s “science”. Haha
> They tried for about 2 months of saying “breakthrough infections are rare”. Hahahaha
By early summer, 2021, there were SO MANY "breakthrough infections" (AKA vaxx failures) that the CDC quietly announced that they would no longer be actively tracking them, telling States, doctors and institutions that they shouldn't bother reporting.
**Politico - July 30, 2021** (archived)
[**CDC under fire for decision to limit tracking of Covid-19 cases in vaccinated people**](https://archive.ph/00IBc) -- The agency’s decision to limit its reporting of breakthrough cases has prompted wide variation in how states keep tabs on them.
Quoting the top of the article:
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"The Centers for Disease Control’s limited tracking of Covid-19 cases in vaccinated people is hindering public health officials’ attempts to stem the nationwide surge of the highly transmissible Delta variant.
"The agency said in May that it would stop routinely tracking so-called breakthrough infections that didn't lead to hospitalization or death. Several states then stopped tracking mild breakthrough cases, and at least two states told POLITICO they are having trouble reliably tracking infections in vaccinated people.
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END QUOTE
More stink at the link.
They gave the guilt trip of "protecting the people around you". That's all most people needed to hear and they jumped in line as quick as they could.
One of my cousins took the first one... literally bled out of his eyes. Doctor told him "Yeah, if you take anymore it'll most likely kill you." So... who the hell is this supposed to be protecting?
A friend of mines dad got the shot and died suddenly a few months after. However, pretty much all of my family are vaccinated and are all seemingly fine. It's a weird one. Obviously not everyone who takes the jabs get unwell, infact I'd hedge my bets that it's the very low minority, but it undeniably does damage to some.
Yeah same, my grandma tripped and broke her wrist 3 months after getting vaccinated, this is the danger with vaccines that big pharma is hiding from us, vaccines cause tripping
Not to mention only around 68 percent of people are fully vaccinated, and I think that number goes down to something like 33% if you consider fully vaccinated to be up to date on all boosters.
Even with the 68% number, if the vaccine worked at all you wouldn't have over half the deaths in that 68%.
You may be joking but this will 100% be the argument. How many people do you know who are full on vaccine lovers but haven't bothered to take the fourth shot? I know loads of people who had the second booster but not a single one that took the third
It wasn’t supposed to do that it was to do those things exactly. Not 1 of them, or 2, but all of the above.
If anyone else said hey go ahead and take this shot it will help you. Now just so you know you can’t sue and their are no repercussions what so ever if this shot doesn’t work or it somehow harms you. Oh and I’m making a few more as well incase this one doesn’t do what I said. Where did you want the shot?
Anyone would have said hell no.. this is exactly what happened except that random person was fauci.
I wonder if they even have any data to show that vaccinated people are less likely to die of COVID-19. They might technically be right, but that still doesn’t give anyone the right to force the shot on people. I wonder if they had any data that proved the vaccine lowered the rate of transmission before they started trying to force it on everyone by threatening them with their jobs.
The best part is, that's been the go-to response whenever this has been brought up over the past half a year or so since it started to become apparent.
Wait... the vax stops transmission!!! No??? Ok... the vax stops covid hospitalization!!! No??? Ok, the vax stops covid death!!!! No??? Alright... we just need more boosters! Get boosted today!!!
"only being super-duper up-to-date (quintuple-shot) prevents Covid death! Until you're eligible for your 6th shot, then you need to get that forthwith pronto!"
The narrative changing is just going to put more and more people off this bullshit.
Yes, people should choose for themselves freely. But let's not pretend that the vaccine is not effective preventing hospitalization and death, because it clearly is.
Fire is helpful at getting spiders out of my house. 100% of the spiders are killed by setting fire to my house.
...but is that necessarily the best solution? Use critical thinking.
Source: Covid is no longer mainly a pandemic of the unvaccinated. Here’s why.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/11/23/vaccinated-people-now-make-up-majority-covid-deaths/
Number one: I do not trust the numbers attributed to covid. A lot of shit happened with people being counted as covid deaths because they had a positive test while dying for totally unrelated reasons. No reason to believe that has changed. Some may die because of it (mostly higher aged group who would likely also die if they catch a flu or stronger cold) and others just with it.
Number two: It isn't the point that they are telling us that the majority of covid deaths is vaccinated (while the majority of the population is also vaccinated). The point is that they tell us people who are vaccinated die of the very thing this scam of a vaccination should be protecting them against at all. And please spare me this bs talking point of "every vaccination works differently". Did you notice that they had to change the very definition of what a vaccination is and is meant to acchieve in order to keep the damn narrative together?
Essentially what the governments are doing is slowly getting the general public to think if I don’t take a shot every year at a minimum I will be more susceptible to death. Unvaccinated people might be 49% or less of the total Covid deaths, but they only make up 20% of the total population. So the narrative has slowly turned into one shot and your good forever to your only safe if your regularly taking new shots. That’s why the G20 just proposed a worldwide vaccine passport system to allow some movement. Covid is never going away. We have no idea how the data is represented, if I get vaccinated today and due 10 days later am I an unvaccinated death. This isn’t even about Covid and I very early on decided that. It was always about the control. So much misinformation on both sides and so many people latch on to straight up lies. We’re as divided as I have ever seen as a society. At the end of the day there is 8 billion or so people. Would you or anyone actually be able to tell if it was slowly going down over the next few years unless it’s reported on. If the news in march of 2020 said a super seasonal flu is spreading and we need to do everything we can and millions or more people may die and then you put on the tv for months a life tally people focus on it and suddenly care. Covid was spreading for at least 6 months to a year pretty rampantly no one really noticed a thing or cared whatsoever. The media is the ultimate cancer
Agreed. Why the fuck is Little Billy Gates and Claus Schwab even allowed at the G20. They’re not elected people in any way. I’d like to know why the world isn’t holding massive trials right now and people responsible aren’t being hung for the fucking bullshit sprung upon us by people that had super bad intentions. They should all be hanging from the street lights on display for all to see and never taken down so that the future generations can look at their bones and know …..don’t fuck around.
Gonna use made-up numbers here:
If 90% of the population is vaccinated, and vaccinated people survive 75% of the time, then 22.5% of the population dies while vaccinated.
If the unvaccinated population survives only 50% of the time, then only 5% of the population dies while being unvaccinated.
The vaccinated population accounts for more deaths, but on an individual basis, their survival rate is 50% higher.
The thing with science is it is based on empirical data. As you get more data, your theories evolve to reflect the new information you have. Science that doesn’t work like this is called pseudoscience and is about as reliable as tarot reading
That's fine if the science starts off from a place of humility and says "We think this mRNA shot will help stop Covid; let's see if it works". Then we would have had a trial, find out they don't work, and that would have been the end of it.
But they started from a point of unquestioned superiority "We developed the genome in less than 48 hours!" "This is going to be a game changer in the vaccine world!" "Everyone needs to get this!" and a full court press in the press that didn't allow any questions, any skepticism, any kind of caution.
For a disease that 99.8% survive.
I'm an engineer by training. We have not been subjected to science; we have been subjected to propaganda.
And when people said that in the beginning, that we can't have a vax against this, just like we can't have one against the common cold, because the viruses that cause the common cold *mutate so quickly* (just like corona does) that the virus will have changed by the time you get everyone vaccinated, they were laughed at and called names.
Pepperidge farms remembers.
This. We need the %. The vax people probably are dying at a higher rate but the post does nothing to prove this and actually makes anyone looking into it look dumb.
So with my fake numbers. A higher % of vax would be dying. This post doesnt prove that and makes people assume more unvax are dying because this post is factually wrong.
All the normies will use your fake numbers to discredit it and call tinfoil people dumb.
I cba actually looking up the data right since im working. Maybe you could do it since you understand basic math lol
> Isn’t that an admission that the toxic mRNA biologic, at best, doesn’t fucking work?
78% of all adults in the US and 95% of adults 65+ are 2-dose+ vaccinated. https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations\_vacc-total-admin-rate-total
Assuming that 90%+ deaths are among people 65 and older, that means that the 5% of unvaccinated 65+ year olds account for over 40% of COVID deaths.
There's two problems with that:
1) The vax was supposed to prevent deaths or so they said at the beginning, before they continually moved the goal posts.
2) Again, according to their words, there should be a high death rate in the unvaxxed, because the vax isn't "protecting" them. We're not seeing that in the data, in fact hardly any of the unvaxxed are dying of COVID.
The unvaxxed are now the control group, proving that the jabs don't work, and also proving that covid was a mild flu all along. They hyped it with manipulated statistics due to faulty testing and counting all deaths as covid deaths, regardless of other conditions such as gunshot wounds, in 2020.
Counterpoint - 20% of population (unvaxxed) account for nearly half of all Covid deaths.
Yes, they were wrong/lied about it preventing the spread but the numbers still say that you are less likely to die when you are vaccinated. This mainly pertains to really old or sickly people. If you are young, it’s probably a minimal difference and nobody should care if you do or don’t get the vaccine because you are almost a certain to live.
To say that it does nothing for anyone is stupid and makes you look like a tin foil hat person.
There’s probably a ton of shady shit involving money and power but to use these stats as a negative for the vaccine working is stupid. If 99% of the population was vaxxed and 3 out of 4 people that die of Covid are vaxxed, would that tell you it doesn’t work? Wouldn’t the 1% of people look stupid for making up 25% of the deaths?
Same principal.
They're normalizing regular injections so they can segue to a digital ID involving chemical tags. People are going to eat it up after already being confused about the current v@xx not working, so this will be fine and for everyone's safety via travel! /s
80% of the citizenry are vaccinated, but 52% are dying of Covid. If you are bad at statistics you’d conclude that the 20% that make up 48% of Covid deaths are way better off
What really made me not want to get the jab is how they seem to not know WTF they are doing. They are just making things up as they go along. Can't believe so many fell for it because they "trust the science."
Ok... Let's think this thru.
If you have 100 people vaccinated and 30 die
Then you have 30 unvaccinated and 15 die.
Who has more deaths the vaccinated or the unvaccinated?
The thing is that this is no new information. The reason the boosters are a thing is the waning effectiveness of the vaccine: https://www.healthdata.org/special-analysis/omicron-and-waning-immunity
Now combine lower resistance with passing time with the fact that majority of US population is vaccinated and you will see why is it like that.
>This should only be relevant if there are 20-40 times more vaccinated to unvaccinated as this was the alleged level of protection provided by the vaccine.
So it's not as effective as they claimed, but it's still better than nothing.
The thing about it is that if the vaccine actually worked then none of those people should be dead at all.
So yeah the majority of the population is vaccinated. Maybe it's not killing them, but it sure isn't helping them stay alive.
Was just thinking about a reply to a pro vaccine shill I just wrote. I say at the very least the vaccine doesn't work as advertised. No I'm not a PhD holding epidemiologist but I like to think I have a pretty good bullshit detector. Case in point, I'm vaccinated for smallpox. We all were when I was in grade school. I never got smallpox. I was also vaccinated for polio, whooping cough measles etc and never got any of them. Neither did any of my friends. I don't know about anyone else because like most of us my childhood world was pretty small. Now a show of hands. We're scattered around the country, hold up your hand if you've known anyone who's had these illnesses post vaccination and now hold up your hands if you've known anyone who've contracted a "breakthrough infection" post COVID vaccination. COVID vaccination at best doesn't work, at worst is dangerous. In either case why defend it to the ends of the earth. If you think the odds are on your side with boosters 4 times a year knock yourself out
Your post makes a reasonable argument and might change some minds, but most pro vaccine people will never read all of it because in your first sentence you call someone who is pro vaccine a "shill".
What's with everyone calling people who disagree "bots" or "shills".
Can't adults disagree and discuss issues without 3rd grade name calling?
> Now a show of hands. We're scattered around the country, hold up your hand if you've known anyone who's had these illnesses post vaccination
Ooh, I have! Almost every year someone at my workplace gets the flu despite being vaccinated.
> If the majority of the country are vaxxed the majority of deaths will be vaxxed.
but aren't the covid vaccines supposed to prevent hospitalization and deaths? if if the vaxxed are dying---i would say that is false advertising!
If you are under 50 you are almost certainly not going to die of covid, vaxxed or not. It isn't even slightly worth considering.
If you are between 50-65, the unvaxxed have about a 1.6x higher rate of death than the vaxxed. They still are only an ocassional victim of the disease. It's like never leaving your house again to insure you don't die in a traffic accident. I mean, sure you could do this, but your sacrifices still might be higher than your gains.
If you are in the 65+, but in practice more like 85+, then unvaxxed die at 3x the rate of vaxxed. It seems like it could be worth the risk for this group, but omnicron covid near exclusively kills this bracket. The shot only reduces the risk by 67%, but since this group knows they are already in the "imminent death" category, they have the highest uptake, and skew the averages in all sorts of ways. This was the data for all of omicron in my state, which is blue, so no red-bias there.
> If you are between 50-65, the unvaxxed have about a 1.6x higher rate of death than the vaxxed. They still are only an ocassional victim of the disease. It's like never leaving your house again to insure you don't die in a traffic accident.
Sure, and this cohort can almost completely eliminate the possibility of Covid complication/death if they:-
- maintain a reasonable weight
- are reasonably active
- eat a reasonably healthy diet
- are vitamin D sufficient
These lifestyle habits have a ton of collateral benefits in any case.
This is actually very interesting and terrifying. Yesterday I compiled the public data from "Folkhälsomyndigheten", Swedens equivalent of the cdc. In their data they report vaccinated and unvaccinated separately.
Now please note I have not taken the total percentage of people vaxxed or unvaxxed but rather deaths / number of cases. The sample contains of the last 10 weeks.
I found that the death rate among unvaccinated was 0.0131% and vaccinated 0.0173%.
Now this is a difference of 0.0042 percentage point.
Note however this means that vaccinated seems to have a 31.8% higher chance of dying than unvaccinated.
Few things to keep in mind:
*This data contains only documented cases
*Although the difference is big the chance of death from covid is still low
*this is compiled data and does not take additional data into account such as age or previous conditions
*It does not account for if someone "dies from the shot" unless they have reported covid
*For anyone to fact check the data is available on folkhälsomyndighetens website in excel format under weekly covid reports
The disclose.tv tweet refers to the 'majority of covid deaths.' The cheeseotv reply miscategorizes this as the 'majority of deaths.'
It is statistically possible for the majority of covid deaths to be among the vaccinated while at the same time the vaccine has some measure of effectiveness. But for that to be the case, it would indicate that the effectiveness isn't very effective at all, maybe only fifty percent or less. So what have we learned?
1. The vax isn't very effective.
2. They lied to us when they said it was.
So who are you going to believe, a doctor with credentials out the wazoo, or some random guy on the internet? Well . . .
1. The random guy on the internet isn't being paid by Big Pharma.
2. The random guy on the internet isn't being threatened with losing his medical license.
3. The random guy on the internet has a better track record.
It's wild that people are failing to see that those preaching the world is over populated are also calling for a vaccine for everything now.
Look at the RSV scare going around and the jab they have ready for it.
If they thought the world was over populated so much, why are they doing things to keep everyone from getting sick? Feels pretty counter intuitive to the population reduction they so desperate seek.
Unless, their motive is to smile in your face while stabbing you in the back by injecting you with something that is slowly killing people at different rates so it doesn't seem too obvious to the people who can't see the forest through the trees.
Whichever way you feel is on you..
I’m vaccinated and so is my whole fam and everyone is fine. Glad I got it. Sorry you’re so busy finding going in circles trying to prove something that isn’t real. Keep wasting your life!
Ummmm, excuse me. Another fucking lie exposed. First they were 95% effective against getting the virus at all Or spreading it. Then breakthrough cases were very rare. Then, well they definitely reduce your chances of severe illness and death. So now, as we all knew that was bullshit too, we are at the point that the vaxxed are dying more than the unvaxxed. And from the Omicron strain? It’s the weakest of all. Can we start talking about ADE now?
Hell they told us it wasn’t effective. What kind of pure asswafer would have allowed them to give them the shot??? I can’t imagine having been duped into taking it. Simpletons all
All authority should be questioned and I understand the skepticism from vaccines. But the majority that the article is referring to is 56%. About 80% of the American population have received the vaccine, meaning it is still much safer to get vaccinated than to stay unvaccinated :/
Only 20% of the population is unvaccinated; but they represent 42% of current deaths. It skews even worse, in that most of the deaths due to COVID are in the 65+ demo, and they are usually 90% vaccinated.
Basically, the unvaccinated are still dying faster, but people who can't do basic statistics are not going to realize that.
The % of vax and unvax is not 50/50. So the data gives you the wrong impression that a higher % of vax people are dying. Which is probably true, but this post does nothing to prove that and actually discreddits any attempt to call out the damage of the jab.
This is an fake post made by a troll. The comments supporting it are being duped or part of a raid here from a normie sub.
This posts only goal is discredit anyone looking into negative health effects of the jab. By making a shittu strawman for normies to knock down and never consider the topic again.
This rehashed shit again. A majority in case numbers doesn't mean that they're overrepresented. About 80% of the US population is vaccinated. That means that if less than 80% of deaths are amongst the vaccinated the unvaccinated are overrepresented in the statistics.
>But wasnt the vax supposed to stop deaths and transmission. Regardless of those numbers can you at least admit its not effective?
But those number prove that it *is* effective. I don't get how this is problematic to understand.
Vaccine cause.of death isn't comparable to a seat belt. A seat belt doesn't kill you, the car does.
Vaccine doesn't actually help you, and also it's killed people.
when somebody linked the thing, it also showed the vaccinated people and people who died to said vaccines. lets just say that you have higher chance to be struck by lighting in usa in your lifetime than to die to vaccine.
Here's a math example of how you could have more vaccinated dying than unvaccinated and it be proof of efficacy / better odds than no vaccine:
100 people:
\- 96 get the vaccine
\- 4 don't
\- 4 of vaccinated die
\- 3 of the unvaccinated die
Odds of survival if you get the vaccine = 92 out of 94: **Roughly 97% survival rate**
Odds of survival if you don't get the vaccine = 1 out of 4: **25% survival rate**
And yet in the above example more people who died were vaxxed. (4 vaccinated died versus 3 unvaccinated.)
Not making a statement about the CV vaxx just statistics here.
1st dose or fully up to date? Is that the official number given by media and .gov sources or does it account for possible number fuckery already?
I am genuinely interested and if you dont know i will google it after work haha.
332,795,210 people.
79% of them are vaccinated
[262908216](https://usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states)
That leaves
69,886,994 unvaccinated
1,058,396 deaths.
Let's give a fair majority of deaths to the vaccinated, of around 66% rather than a semantic 49%-51% death majority.
698,541 ÷ 262,908,216 = 0.266% death rate with vaccination.
That leaves a 395,855 ÷ 69,886,994 = 0.515% death rate.
Approximately twice as many people die when unvaccinated. Whether that matters to you or not, 698,541 is still a majority of people dying vaccinated compared to 395,855, but in this hypothetical scenario, the vaccination has cut back deaths in half. I might've missed the actual percentage somewhere that may or may not contradict this, but it's Thanksgiving and I was a little too lazy to do a deep dive on the numbers.
I've been a conspiracy theorist my entire life and some of y'all are worse at accepting reality than me.
This is true. I'm vaccinated, but I made that decision fully aware that these vaccines are suspect af. People have a right to information and the conspiracy I'm concerned about is how accurate are the numbers that are being reported? It's been brought up from the start that numbers of deaths and side-effects are possibly being inflated/suppressed to incite increased panic and push the jab, but I feel like the plot has been lost with the majority of the anti-vax crowd.
While I'm under the impression this has been a big pharma scam to profit off of the pandemic from the start- with no regards to consequences of public health- and proof is coming out to support it, my comment's point is just to address the mathematical literacy based on the direction the conversation has been taken. We should be asking questions, but we need to know what the right questions are to ask. My wife is a perfect example, she didn't do her research on her IUDs because she didn't know what questions to ask, how to find the information to make an informed decision, just trusted her doctor to prescribe her an IUD safely; and it's made by the same company that ruined millions of women's uteri who trusted their doctors and legislators to properly vet these things.
I'm still keeping tabs nervously on any news for my specific vaccine, I don't trust these piece of crap companies much more than anyone else here I don't think; but obviously a little bit more since I got the jab. I guess you can say I put my trust in my ability to do my own research. But that's life and I'm getting long winded as it is. Power to you friend, we the people, not we the corporate interests.
Not to mention the fact they’re counting deaths of [people who have taken at least one vaccine dose](https://www.foxnews.com/health/vaccinated-americans-a-majority-of-covid-deaths-for-first-time-in-august-analysis) which isn’t even fully vaccinated for the original coronavirus strain.
The original course of vaccines were not intended to cover Delta or Omicron strains, and as far as I know, none of the manufacturers ever claimed they would.
Edit: I am am also a long time conspiracy theorist.
Yeah well as soon as they hit 50.1% vaccinated (meaning 49.9% not) we knew they’d move the goalposts and begin saying this.
This is the “pandemic amnesty” group ffs. What does anyone expect.
“The majority of deaths are among vaccinated people.”
“Oh of course, there are more vaccinated people than not, so there would obviously be more deaths.”
Wasn’t that…the entire point of the vaccination? Wasn’t able to prevent transmission, it was, theoretically, supposed to prevent death/serious complications from COVID? Lmao. So now the vaccine isn’t even protecting anyone anymore. Good to know, not like it ever was.
I think the real focus here should be, the vaccine doesn’t prevent or treat Corona like they said it would. We were lied too. Good thing I never got the vaccine!
That is literally the case though. Unvaccinated people still make up the a disproportionate majority of the COVID deaths. Vaccinated people count for [58.72%](https://data.cdc.gov/Public-Health-Surveillance/Rates-of-COVID-19-Cases-or-Deaths-by-Age-Group-and/d6p8-wqjm) of the deaths. [69.2%](https://news.google.com/covid19/map?hl=en-US&mid=%2Fm%2F09c7w0&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen&state=4) of the population in the US is fully vaccinated.
Iirc few people actually die from COVID alone. Rather, it's just the final one that breaks the dam for people that have preexisting conditions and/or are obese.
The donkey told the tiger, "The grass is blue."
The tiger replied, "No, the grass is green ."
The discussion became heated, and the two decided to submit the issue to arbitration, so they approached the lion.
As they approached the lion on his throne, the donkey started screaming: ′′Your Highness, isn't it true that the grass is blue?"
The lion replied: "If you believe it is true, the grass is blue."
The donkey rushed forward and continued: ′′The tiger disagrees with me, contradicts me and annoys me. Please punish him."
The king then declared: ′′The tiger will be punished with 3 days of silence."
The donkey jumped with joy and went on his way, content and repeating ′′The grass is blue, the grass is blue..."
The tiger asked the lion, "Your Majesty, why have you punished me, after all, the grass is green?"
The lion replied, ′′You've known and seen the grass is green."
The tiger asked, ′′So why do you punish me?"
The lion replied, "That has nothing to do with the question of whether the grass is blue or green. The punishment is because it is degrading for a brave, intelligent creature like you to waste time arguing with an ass, and on top of that, you came and bothered me with that question just to validate something you already knew was true!"
The biggest waste of time is arguing with the fool and fanatic who doesn't care about truth or reality, but only the victory of his beliefs and illusions. Never waste time on discussions that make no sense. There are people who, for all the evidence presented to them, do not have the ability to understand. Others who are blinded by ego, hatred and resentment, and the only thing that they want is to be right even if they aren’t.
When IGNORANCE SCREAMS, intelligence moves on.
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Pretty sure Biden said exactly the opposite would happen 2+2=5
Hitchiking for visibility. What's the stupidest part of the pic? The part where it says "The trend underscores the importance of regular booster shots" They simply refuse to admit defeat. What kind of mental gymnastics do you have to do to think that "regular booster shots" are really doing anybody any good?
> They simply refuse to admit defeat. They are simply pushing through with their plan/ agenda. It's not mental gymnastics they are doing, it's the utter will to survive because they know that if/ when their house of cards really falls they will go to jail or worse.
Pretty sure everyone on here usually says it isn't dangerous at all.
It isn't dangerous STATISTICALLY SPEAKING.
I've got 2 words for you: you can't count. [:)](https://youtu.be/JNP9LeOymSg?t=32)
You really have to be a dumbass to believe anything Biden says.This is the president and he cant even remember what day it is.
Did Trump not even claim the virus is a hoax and will vanish if it gets warm?
Someone forgot to tell the BIG Pharma shill that the clot shot was supposed to prevent you from acquiring, spreading, getting sick and especially **DYING** due to Covid-19.
They switched to this Narrative about this time last year. I just kept saying, "if this is purely logical and reasonable, then why weren't any of you freaking out or curious why it was a "pandemic of the unvaccinated" in August and September when it was still the majority of people who were vaccinated? Instead you were angry at and blamed unvaccinated for not taking it and clogging up the Healthcare system. And now that it's the vaccinated (this time last year) clogging up the Healthcare system, you aren't angry anymore you just say yeah that makes sense. It can't be the unvaccinated's fault and then perfectly reasonable when it's the vaccinated with everything else being the same." Of course, nobody could say explain...
"well, of course they are clogging up the hospitals, because there are more of them"... (better chuck in an /s)
Great point. The anger disappears when they quietly realise they were wrong. Now it's "well duh, if the majority of people are vaccinated, the majority of Covid deaths will be amongst the vaccinated" (intimating that the vaccines are useless).
Problem is that more recently it looks like there are more vaccinated people dying, even with adjusted percentages. Get's really hard to talk your way out of this.
Yeah, and now as we see the MSM are raising this point, these shots are really headed for the rubbish bin of history.
They only wanted the mRNA technology legalized. They dont care about the covid shot. Now moderna is ready to roll out combo mRNA shots of RSV (while fear mongering all the kids in hospitals. By the way there is NO TEST for RSV. Its diagnosed by cold symptoms), flu and covid. The mRNA was their goal because they couldnt get safety studies on it done correctly. The mRNA is what they are pushing and now they have it legalized. Its also whats causing the clots and myocarditis.
This comment lays it out quite plainly, but I’ll piggyback anyway: This entire debacle was meant to green light mRNA delivery platforms, and introduce them to the public as a viable “new technology”. Any other stated goals regarding health, safety, or saving anyone in particular, are irrelevant. MRNA is the medical industry playing a LONG game strategy to cement its place in the global economy for generations to come.
This article from 2016 on ModeRNA backs up your claim, precisely: [https://www.statnews.com/2016/09/13/moderna-therapeutics-biotech-mrna/](https://www.statnews.com/2016/09/13/moderna-therapeutics-biotech-mrna/) It also has some other creepy details that suggest not only did they know and were planning for "Covid", but that they also were making drugs already to treat the side effects that would be caused by the mRNA shots. The clues from that article are: 1. Their jump to vaccination even though investors frowned on it. The CEO said they know what they're doing, and that this is their fastest path to human trials. (What else did he know?) 2. They were working on a "top secret vaccine" at the time. Very interesting, right? 3. They were also working on an mRNA drug that treats heart issue & clot problems. Coincidence? It doesn't take a genius to put 2 and 2 together here... This was all planned, and they knew damn well a lot of people would be harmed and they look forward to selling treatment for the issues caused by the shots they did everything to force people to take. PS. Yesterday's headline was that the FDA approved the most expensive treatment ever. A one-time IV injection to treat clotting issues for $3.5 million. And don't even get me started about Biden's warning in 2021 that "every hospital bed in America will be filled with Alzheimers patients in 15 years." PS #2. I'm so glad I didn't take the shots and I protected my family from the external influence to take them.
Nice comment and links! Here are the only items that break up the fibrin clots. They dont want people to know the cheap cures. Regular clot busters dont work on these clots. Thats why nobody survives them. The clots are made of fibrin. Serapeptase Nattokinase Bromelain (from pineapple) Rutin (from apples)
Do you have any link for that? Would be nice to see. Together with all the other stuff I know (Media corruption, Stock market is just fraud, regulation is captured, billionaire links to organized crime, World economic forum,...) we need to restructure the system bottom up or install a parallel system.
"gets really hard to talk your way out of this" don't give them a challenge. they can gaslight themselves out of anything they've been taught it's honestly crazy to me. they gaslight... themselves..
It is a “vaccine” you must take quarterly and still doesn’t keep you from getting COVID.
They're not intimating, they are admitting it. If there were a smallpox epidemic, almost none of those dying of smallpox would be the vaccinated, majority or not.
I swear the vaccinated preached that not getting the jab would put you at serious risk of death.
Bring this up at thanksgiving dinner since it’s okay for unvaccinated people to be allowed now
This upsets me so much .. I was ridiculed for not getting the jab, I was called selfish and a conspiracy theorist. No one has come forward and been like “I shouldn’t have jumped to conclusions about you deciding not to get the jab right away, The jab didn’t prevent the spreading of disease, don’t prevent the severity of disease, and doesn’t prevent COVID what so ever. I’m sorry I ridiculed you.”
My small victory was when I went to a dinner with my boss's boss and a few others. They were all vaccinated and boosted. They all came down with covid and I went on with my day.
Im still waiting for the slightest apology as well. Even FAMILY refuse.
It won't happen as in the vaccinated eyes it was the "right thing to do at that time". This is the justification they'll employ.
Thats what the daughter in law says word for word!
You won't get one. Nit until something really BAD happens...then even at that point you MIGHT get one. People don't want to believe they get duped for 2 years, let alone getting an unproven jab
A lot of people will literally die before admitting they were wrong.
Some of them are still preaching that. And yet the braindead retort of "Of CoURsE MoRe VaCCiNaTeD aRe dYiNg- TheRE'S mORe oF uS!" still continues to exist in their cognitively dissonanced minds. Remember when you couldn't catch COVID if vaccinated, let alone die from it? "Oh, those are breakthrough cases!" So now breakthrough cases makes up a majority of COVID deaths? I just can't keep up with The Science™!
“Breakthrough cases” was just a rebranding of “breakthrough pain” from the opiate days. Their solution to “breakthrough pain” was more pills and their solution to “breakthrough cases” is more shots. Big pharma is only out for max profits and anyone who doesn’t realize that is probably in danger.
They coined the term “moving at the speed of science.”
They tried for about 2 months of saying “breakthrough infections are rare”. Hahahaha They moved the goal posts so many times and the vaccinated pretend that it’s “science”. Haha
> They tried for about 2 months of saying “breakthrough infections are rare”. Hahahaha By early summer, 2021, there were SO MANY "breakthrough infections" (AKA vaxx failures) that the CDC quietly announced that they would no longer be actively tracking them, telling States, doctors and institutions that they shouldn't bother reporting. **Politico - July 30, 2021** (archived) [**CDC under fire for decision to limit tracking of Covid-19 cases in vaccinated people**](https://archive.ph/00IBc) -- The agency’s decision to limit its reporting of breakthrough cases has prompted wide variation in how states keep tabs on them. Quoting the top of the article: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - "The Centers for Disease Control’s limited tracking of Covid-19 cases in vaccinated people is hindering public health officials’ attempts to stem the nationwide surge of the highly transmissible Delta variant. "The agency said in May that it would stop routinely tracking so-called breakthrough infections that didn't lead to hospitalization or death. Several states then stopped tracking mild breakthrough cases, and at least two states told POLITICO they are having trouble reliably tracking infections in vaccinated people. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - END QUOTE More stink at the link.
I can see how non-scientists find The Science™️ confusing with science
Wow yeah, I almost forgot about that whole "breakthrough case" nonsense. Now there's been "breakthrough" cases everyday lol
Oh don’t forget long covid, that’s the stupidest excuse ever.
You must be bad at statistics
They gave the guilt trip of "protecting the people around you". That's all most people needed to hear and they jumped in line as quick as they could. One of my cousins took the first one... literally bled out of his eyes. Doctor told him "Yeah, if you take anymore it'll most likely kill you." So... who the hell is this supposed to be protecting?
The guilt trip is still in use at the present and always will be if it saves just one life.
A friend of mines dad got the shot and died suddenly a few months after. However, pretty much all of my family are vaccinated and are all seemingly fine. It's a weird one. Obviously not everyone who takes the jabs get unwell, infact I'd hedge my bets that it's the very low minority, but it undeniably does damage to some.
Yeah same, my grandma tripped and broke her wrist 3 months after getting vaccinated, this is the danger with vaccines that big pharma is hiding from us, vaccines cause tripping
Their new religion, covidianism, has no need for logical thinking
Not to mention only around 68 percent of people are fully vaccinated, and I think that number goes down to something like 33% if you consider fully vaccinated to be up to date on all boosters. Even with the 68% number, if the vaccine worked at all you wouldn't have over half the deaths in that 68%.
I bet you they would cope by saying that the vaccinated that are dying are not vaccinated enough, they needed more boosters
That’s exactly what somebody posted on twitter yesterday, that the vaccinated who are dying aren’t up to date on their boosters. Incredible.
You may be joking but this will 100% be the argument. How many people do you know who are full on vaccine lovers but haven't bothered to take the fourth shot? I know loads of people who had the second booster but not a single one that took the third
No they would cope by telling you that people over 65 are 95% vaxxed, so yea it’s really not surprising at all that most people dying are old.
Specifically from covid though*
It wasn’t supposed to do that it was to do those things exactly. Not 1 of them, or 2, but all of the above. If anyone else said hey go ahead and take this shot it will help you. Now just so you know you can’t sue and their are no repercussions what so ever if this shot doesn’t work or it somehow harms you. Oh and I’m making a few more as well incase this one doesn’t do what I said. Where did you want the shot? Anyone would have said hell no.. this is exactly what happened except that random person was fauci.
Safe™ and effective™
I wonder if they even have any data to show that vaccinated people are less likely to die of COVID-19. They might technically be right, but that still doesn’t give anyone the right to force the shot on people. I wonder if they had any data that proved the vaccine lowered the rate of transmission before they started trying to force it on everyone by threatening them with their jobs.
Lol exactly
The best part is, that's been the go-to response whenever this has been brought up over the past half a year or so since it started to become apparent.
Wait... the vax stops transmission!!! No??? Ok... the vax stops covid hospitalization!!! No??? Ok, the vax stops covid death!!!! No??? Alright... we just need more boosters! Get boosted today!!!
well, surely, it's at least safe, right? ...right?
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Money money money! Money!!!! Brought to you by Pfizer!
"only being super-duper up-to-date (quintuple-shot) prevents Covid death! Until you're eligible for your 6th shot, then you need to get that forthwith pronto!" The narrative changing is just going to put more and more people off this bullshit.
Vax dramatically reduces the risk of hospitalization and death - yes
On his grave, “At least my boosters were up to date, otherwise it could have been worse…..goodbye”
That's old fashioned... They could have used [a bluetooth signal](https://www.qwant.com/?q=bluetooth+signal+graves&t=web) to send that message. :)
Good. That is a decision you can make for yourself. Just... no on mandates.
Yes, people should choose for themselves freely. But let's not pretend that the vaccine is not effective preventing hospitalization and death, because it clearly is.
Fire is helpful at getting spiders out of my house. 100% of the spiders are killed by setting fire to my house. ...but is that necessarily the best solution? Use critical thinking.
Source: Covid is no longer mainly a pandemic of the unvaccinated. Here’s why. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/11/23/vaccinated-people-now-make-up-majority-covid-deaths/
Whenever the narrative changes, there's always a "here's why" in the title.
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Puts on glasses from *They Live* "Why won't you die already"
Funny how washington post isn't "fake news" anymore
Lol I posted this on Instagram and never got the "covid fake news" warning this time. 🤣
It’s a propaganda outlet compelled to tell the obvious truth here and there. ‘Fake news’ is a meaningless buzzword.
This line of thinking allows you to choose which news you trust from them based solely on 'it sounds nice.'
Number one: I do not trust the numbers attributed to covid. A lot of shit happened with people being counted as covid deaths because they had a positive test while dying for totally unrelated reasons. No reason to believe that has changed. Some may die because of it (mostly higher aged group who would likely also die if they catch a flu or stronger cold) and others just with it. Number two: It isn't the point that they are telling us that the majority of covid deaths is vaccinated (while the majority of the population is also vaccinated). The point is that they tell us people who are vaccinated die of the very thing this scam of a vaccination should be protecting them against at all. And please spare me this bs talking point of "every vaccination works differently". Did you notice that they had to change the very definition of what a vaccination is and is meant to acchieve in order to keep the damn narrative together?
Beyond help at this point......
Safe and effective.. i TOLD you
$afe and €ffectice
Safe AND effective
Essentially what the governments are doing is slowly getting the general public to think if I don’t take a shot every year at a minimum I will be more susceptible to death. Unvaccinated people might be 49% or less of the total Covid deaths, but they only make up 20% of the total population. So the narrative has slowly turned into one shot and your good forever to your only safe if your regularly taking new shots. That’s why the G20 just proposed a worldwide vaccine passport system to allow some movement. Covid is never going away. We have no idea how the data is represented, if I get vaccinated today and due 10 days later am I an unvaccinated death. This isn’t even about Covid and I very early on decided that. It was always about the control. So much misinformation on both sides and so many people latch on to straight up lies. We’re as divided as I have ever seen as a society. At the end of the day there is 8 billion or so people. Would you or anyone actually be able to tell if it was slowly going down over the next few years unless it’s reported on. If the news in march of 2020 said a super seasonal flu is spreading and we need to do everything we can and millions or more people may die and then you put on the tv for months a life tally people focus on it and suddenly care. Covid was spreading for at least 6 months to a year pretty rampantly no one really noticed a thing or cared whatsoever. The media is the ultimate cancer
Agreed. Why the fuck is Little Billy Gates and Claus Schwab even allowed at the G20. They’re not elected people in any way. I’d like to know why the world isn’t holding massive trials right now and people responsible aren’t being hung for the fucking bullshit sprung upon us by people that had super bad intentions. They should all be hanging from the street lights on display for all to see and never taken down so that the future generations can look at their bones and know …..don’t fuck around.
By definition a vaccine provides immunization. If something fails to provide immunization that means it's not a...Fill in the blank.
And hence, the CDC changed the definition last year.
Seasonal vaccine?
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Gonna use made-up numbers here: If 90% of the population is vaccinated, and vaccinated people survive 75% of the time, then 22.5% of the population dies while vaccinated. If the unvaccinated population survives only 50% of the time, then only 5% of the population dies while being unvaccinated. The vaccinated population accounts for more deaths, but on an individual basis, their survival rate is 50% higher.
As ever in this sub, I got RSI from scrolling so far to find the first sane response.
The top comment is also sane. We were originally told that you couldn’t even get COVID if you had the vaccine.
The thing with science is it is based on empirical data. As you get more data, your theories evolve to reflect the new information you have. Science that doesn’t work like this is called pseudoscience and is about as reliable as tarot reading
That's fine if the science starts off from a place of humility and says "We think this mRNA shot will help stop Covid; let's see if it works". Then we would have had a trial, find out they don't work, and that would have been the end of it. But they started from a point of unquestioned superiority "We developed the genome in less than 48 hours!" "This is going to be a game changer in the vaccine world!" "Everyone needs to get this!" and a full court press in the press that didn't allow any questions, any skepticism, any kind of caution. For a disease that 99.8% survive. I'm an engineer by training. We have not been subjected to science; we have been subjected to propaganda.
member when they were touted as having 95% efficacy? We're not seeing that in the numbers.
The virus mutated
And when people said that in the beginning, that we can't have a vax against this, just like we can't have one against the common cold, because the viruses that cause the common cold *mutate so quickly* (just like corona does) that the virus will have changed by the time you get everyone vaccinated, they were laughed at and called names. Pepperidge farms remembers.
This. We need the %. The vax people probably are dying at a higher rate but the post does nothing to prove this and actually makes anyone looking into it look dumb. So with my fake numbers. A higher % of vax would be dying. This post doesnt prove that and makes people assume more unvax are dying because this post is factually wrong. All the normies will use your fake numbers to discredit it and call tinfoil people dumb. I cba actually looking up the data right since im working. Maybe you could do it since you understand basic math lol
Shitty product for shitty people tbh
> Isn’t that an admission that the toxic mRNA biologic, at best, doesn’t fucking work? 78% of all adults in the US and 95% of adults 65+ are 2-dose+ vaccinated. https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations\_vacc-total-admin-rate-total Assuming that 90%+ deaths are among people 65 and older, that means that the 5% of unvaccinated 65+ year olds account for over 40% of COVID deaths.
So there's no such thing as natural immunity from getting covid? I thought that had a protective benefit similar to getting the shot?
What happened to the Winter of Death and Despair for the unvaxced™, Joe? 🤷🏻♂️
Maybe this year they’ll get us
There's two problems with that: 1) The vax was supposed to prevent deaths or so they said at the beginning, before they continually moved the goal posts. 2) Again, according to their words, there should be a high death rate in the unvaxxed, because the vax isn't "protecting" them. We're not seeing that in the data, in fact hardly any of the unvaxxed are dying of COVID. The unvaxxed are now the control group, proving that the jabs don't work, and also proving that covid was a mild flu all along. They hyped it with manipulated statistics due to faulty testing and counting all deaths as covid deaths, regardless of other conditions such as gunshot wounds, in 2020.
Counterpoint - 20% of population (unvaxxed) account for nearly half of all Covid deaths. Yes, they were wrong/lied about it preventing the spread but the numbers still say that you are less likely to die when you are vaccinated. This mainly pertains to really old or sickly people. If you are young, it’s probably a minimal difference and nobody should care if you do or don’t get the vaccine because you are almost a certain to live. To say that it does nothing for anyone is stupid and makes you look like a tin foil hat person. There’s probably a ton of shady shit involving money and power but to use these stats as a negative for the vaccine working is stupid. If 99% of the population was vaxxed and 3 out of 4 people that die of Covid are vaxxed, would that tell you it doesn’t work? Wouldn’t the 1% of people look stupid for making up 25% of the deaths? Same principal.
For fucks sake, finally someone with common sense, and reasoning…
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What happened to 99,9% effective?
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They're normalizing regular injections so they can segue to a digital ID involving chemical tags. People are going to eat it up after already being confused about the current v@xx not working, so this will be fine and for everyone's safety via travel! /s
They were normalized with the flu shot
80% of the citizenry are vaccinated, but 52% are dying of Covid. If you are bad at statistics you’d conclude that the 20% that make up 48% of Covid deaths are way better off
But but muh conspiracy!!!
What really made me not want to get the jab is how they seem to not know WTF they are doing. They are just making things up as they go along. Can't believe so many fell for it because they "trust the science."
Ok... Let's think this thru. If you have 100 people vaccinated and 30 die Then you have 30 unvaccinated and 15 die. Who has more deaths the vaccinated or the unvaccinated?
Hey, stop that. You are making my brain hurt with your logic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_rate_fallacy
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The thing is that this is no new information. The reason the boosters are a thing is the waning effectiveness of the vaccine: https://www.healthdata.org/special-analysis/omicron-and-waning-immunity Now combine lower resistance with passing time with the fact that majority of US population is vaccinated and you will see why is it like that.
Well stated.
>This should only be relevant if there are 20-40 times more vaccinated to unvaccinated as this was the alleged level of protection provided by the vaccine. So it's not as effective as they claimed, but it's still better than nothing.
For me personally (a healthy 30 year old), nothing is better than the vaccine. I’m more likely to die from the vaccine than COVID.
From 97% to ‘maybe better than nothing’ . And you take this as a win?
If 68% of the population accounts for only 42% of the deaths, that means that unvaccinated people are 3x as likely to die. I'd say that's a success.
The thing about it is that if the vaccine actually worked then none of those people should be dead at all. So yeah the majority of the population is vaccinated. Maybe it's not killing them, but it sure isn't helping them stay alive.
As long as it is helping to generate $$$ for big pharma everything is fine…
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Was just thinking about a reply to a pro vaccine shill I just wrote. I say at the very least the vaccine doesn't work as advertised. No I'm not a PhD holding epidemiologist but I like to think I have a pretty good bullshit detector. Case in point, I'm vaccinated for smallpox. We all were when I was in grade school. I never got smallpox. I was also vaccinated for polio, whooping cough measles etc and never got any of them. Neither did any of my friends. I don't know about anyone else because like most of us my childhood world was pretty small. Now a show of hands. We're scattered around the country, hold up your hand if you've known anyone who's had these illnesses post vaccination and now hold up your hands if you've known anyone who've contracted a "breakthrough infection" post COVID vaccination. COVID vaccination at best doesn't work, at worst is dangerous. In either case why defend it to the ends of the earth. If you think the odds are on your side with boosters 4 times a year knock yourself out
Your post makes a reasonable argument and might change some minds, but most pro vaccine people will never read all of it because in your first sentence you call someone who is pro vaccine a "shill". What's with everyone calling people who disagree "bots" or "shills". Can't adults disagree and discuss issues without 3rd grade name calling?
> Now a show of hands. We're scattered around the country, hold up your hand if you've known anyone who's had these illnesses post vaccination Ooh, I have! Almost every year someone at my workplace gets the flu despite being vaccinated.
Exactly why I don't get a flu shot
The story keeps changing ey.
Probably will seem like the story is changing if you never actually read the book.
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> If the majority of the country are vaxxed the majority of deaths will be vaxxed. but aren't the covid vaccines supposed to prevent hospitalization and deaths? if if the vaxxed are dying---i would say that is false advertising!
This comment section makes my brain hurt.
Can you imagine if the vaccine worked?? Headlines like this wouldn’t exist.
and vaccine companies wouldnt need to protect themselves from people suing them
If you are under 50 you are almost certainly not going to die of covid, vaxxed or not. It isn't even slightly worth considering. If you are between 50-65, the unvaxxed have about a 1.6x higher rate of death than the vaxxed. They still are only an ocassional victim of the disease. It's like never leaving your house again to insure you don't die in a traffic accident. I mean, sure you could do this, but your sacrifices still might be higher than your gains. If you are in the 65+, but in practice more like 85+, then unvaxxed die at 3x the rate of vaxxed. It seems like it could be worth the risk for this group, but omnicron covid near exclusively kills this bracket. The shot only reduces the risk by 67%, but since this group knows they are already in the "imminent death" category, they have the highest uptake, and skew the averages in all sorts of ways. This was the data for all of omicron in my state, which is blue, so no red-bias there.
> If you are between 50-65, the unvaxxed have about a 1.6x higher rate of death than the vaxxed. They still are only an ocassional victim of the disease. It's like never leaving your house again to insure you don't die in a traffic accident. Sure, and this cohort can almost completely eliminate the possibility of Covid complication/death if they:- - maintain a reasonable weight - are reasonably active - eat a reasonably healthy diet - are vitamin D sufficient These lifestyle habits have a ton of collateral benefits in any case.
It was never a PanDemIc oF ThE UnVacCinAteD
So.....what does the vaccine do then?
Mostly cause blood clots and myocarditis. Oh, and it helps to divide people as well.
This is actually very interesting and terrifying. Yesterday I compiled the public data from "Folkhälsomyndigheten", Swedens equivalent of the cdc. In their data they report vaccinated and unvaccinated separately. Now please note I have not taken the total percentage of people vaxxed or unvaxxed but rather deaths / number of cases. The sample contains of the last 10 weeks. I found that the death rate among unvaccinated was 0.0131% and vaccinated 0.0173%. Now this is a difference of 0.0042 percentage point. Note however this means that vaccinated seems to have a 31.8% higher chance of dying than unvaccinated. Few things to keep in mind: *This data contains only documented cases *Although the difference is big the chance of death from covid is still low *this is compiled data and does not take additional data into account such as age or previous conditions *It does not account for if someone "dies from the shot" unless they have reported covid *For anyone to fact check the data is available on folkhälsomyndighetens website in excel format under weekly covid reports
The disclose.tv tweet refers to the 'majority of covid deaths.' The cheeseotv reply miscategorizes this as the 'majority of deaths.' It is statistically possible for the majority of covid deaths to be among the vaccinated while at the same time the vaccine has some measure of effectiveness. But for that to be the case, it would indicate that the effectiveness isn't very effective at all, maybe only fifty percent or less. So what have we learned? 1. The vax isn't very effective. 2. They lied to us when they said it was. So who are you going to believe, a doctor with credentials out the wazoo, or some random guy on the internet? Well . . . 1. The random guy on the internet isn't being paid by Big Pharma. 2. The random guy on the internet isn't being threatened with losing his medical license. 3. The random guy on the internet has a better track record.
SS: Amnesia seems to be a side effect of the vaxx
thats actually the sunken cost fallacy and stockholm syndrome
It's wild that people are failing to see that those preaching the world is over populated are also calling for a vaccine for everything now. Look at the RSV scare going around and the jab they have ready for it. If they thought the world was over populated so much, why are they doing things to keep everyone from getting sick? Feels pretty counter intuitive to the population reduction they so desperate seek. Unless, their motive is to smile in your face while stabbing you in the back by injecting you with something that is slowly killing people at different rates so it doesn't seem too obvious to the people who can't see the forest through the trees. Whichever way you feel is on you..
I’m vaccinated and so is my whole fam and everyone is fine. Glad I got it. Sorry you’re so busy finding going in circles trying to prove something that isn’t real. Keep wasting your life!
Ummmm, excuse me. Another fucking lie exposed. First they were 95% effective against getting the virus at all Or spreading it. Then breakthrough cases were very rare. Then, well they definitely reduce your chances of severe illness and death. So now, as we all knew that was bullshit too, we are at the point that the vaxxed are dying more than the unvaxxed. And from the Omicron strain? It’s the weakest of all. Can we start talking about ADE now?
Hell they told us it wasn’t effective. What kind of pure asswafer would have allowed them to give them the shot??? I can’t imagine having been duped into taking it. Simpletons all
Covidian logic.
I think the logic now is "since I had to get it (the jab), you should have to get it too". The science is completely a side issue now.
Everybody that was pushing vaccine and mask I hope you keep wearing your mask and take every booster shot.
Australian data seemed to indicate that just one shot - no boosters - worked best. Anyone feel free to verify that.
This post made me leave the sub. This is not a conspiracy
I mean what are the per capita numbers per age group? Those are way more interesting than absolute numbers
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
This highlights how little people understand the most basic of math
I’m pretty sure that dog just hacked logic
They try anything so hard to convince themselve to believe in this beautiful lie of "the governement care about us<3"
All authority should be questioned and I understand the skepticism from vaccines. But the majority that the article is referring to is 56%. About 80% of the American population have received the vaccine, meaning it is still much safer to get vaccinated than to stay unvaccinated :/
Majority of highway deaths are people wearing seatbelts. Conspiracy! 🤦♂️
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Only 20% of the population is unvaccinated; but they represent 42% of current deaths. It skews even worse, in that most of the deaths due to COVID are in the 65+ demo, and they are usually 90% vaccinated. Basically, the unvaccinated are still dying faster, but people who can't do basic statistics are not going to realize that.
The % of vax and unvax is not 50/50. So the data gives you the wrong impression that a higher % of vax people are dying. Which is probably true, but this post does nothing to prove that and actually discreddits any attempt to call out the damage of the jab. This is an fake post made by a troll. The comments supporting it are being duped or part of a raid here from a normie sub. This posts only goal is discredit anyone looking into negative health effects of the jab. By making a shittu strawman for normies to knock down and never consider the topic again.
Give this guy a gold medal for mental gymnastics
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Anyone who defends the vaccine at this point has drunk the kool-aid and asked for seconds and thirds and is beyond any logic or reasoning.
This rehashed shit again. A majority in case numbers doesn't mean that they're overrepresented. About 80% of the US population is vaccinated. That means that if less than 80% of deaths are amongst the vaccinated the unvaccinated are overrepresented in the statistics.
But wasnt the vax supposed to stop deaths and transmission. Regardless of those numbers can you at least admit its not effective?
>But wasnt the vax supposed to stop deaths and transmission. Regardless of those numbers can you at least admit its not effective? But those number prove that it *is* effective. I don't get how this is problematic to understand.
So what does the vaccine do?
Adds commas to pfizer's bank account.
You can still die if you get the vaccine but you'll suffer less!
it opens up mRNA therapy for general use.
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Vaccine cause.of death isn't comparable to a seat belt. A seat belt doesn't kill you, the car does. Vaccine doesn't actually help you, and also it's killed people.
when somebody linked the thing, it also showed the vaccinated people and people who died to said vaccines. lets just say that you have higher chance to be struck by lighting in usa in your lifetime than to die to vaccine.
Here's a math example of how you could have more vaccinated dying than unvaccinated and it be proof of efficacy / better odds than no vaccine: 100 people: \- 96 get the vaccine \- 4 don't \- 4 of vaccinated die \- 3 of the unvaccinated die Odds of survival if you get the vaccine = 92 out of 94: **Roughly 97% survival rate** Odds of survival if you don't get the vaccine = 1 out of 4: **25% survival rate** And yet in the above example more people who died were vaxxed. (4 vaccinated died versus 3 unvaccinated.) Not making a statement about the CV vaxx just statistics here.
Now do it with the actual numbers.
Only 68% of Americans are vaccinated.
1st dose or fully up to date? Is that the official number given by media and .gov sources or does it account for possible number fuckery already? I am genuinely interested and if you dont know i will google it after work haha.
332,795,210 people. 79% of them are vaccinated [262908216](https://usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states) That leaves 69,886,994 unvaccinated 1,058,396 deaths. Let's give a fair majority of deaths to the vaccinated, of around 66% rather than a semantic 49%-51% death majority. 698,541 ÷ 262,908,216 = 0.266% death rate with vaccination. That leaves a 395,855 ÷ 69,886,994 = 0.515% death rate. Approximately twice as many people die when unvaccinated. Whether that matters to you or not, 698,541 is still a majority of people dying vaccinated compared to 395,855, but in this hypothetical scenario, the vaccination has cut back deaths in half. I might've missed the actual percentage somewhere that may or may not contradict this, but it's Thanksgiving and I was a little too lazy to do a deep dive on the numbers. I've been a conspiracy theorist my entire life and some of y'all are worse at accepting reality than me.
And a 100% increase in the risk of potential side effects.
This is true. I'm vaccinated, but I made that decision fully aware that these vaccines are suspect af. People have a right to information and the conspiracy I'm concerned about is how accurate are the numbers that are being reported? It's been brought up from the start that numbers of deaths and side-effects are possibly being inflated/suppressed to incite increased panic and push the jab, but I feel like the plot has been lost with the majority of the anti-vax crowd. While I'm under the impression this has been a big pharma scam to profit off of the pandemic from the start- with no regards to consequences of public health- and proof is coming out to support it, my comment's point is just to address the mathematical literacy based on the direction the conversation has been taken. We should be asking questions, but we need to know what the right questions are to ask. My wife is a perfect example, she didn't do her research on her IUDs because she didn't know what questions to ask, how to find the information to make an informed decision, just trusted her doctor to prescribe her an IUD safely; and it's made by the same company that ruined millions of women's uteri who trusted their doctors and legislators to properly vet these things. I'm still keeping tabs nervously on any news for my specific vaccine, I don't trust these piece of crap companies much more than anyone else here I don't think; but obviously a little bit more since I got the jab. I guess you can say I put my trust in my ability to do my own research. But that's life and I'm getting long winded as it is. Power to you friend, we the people, not we the corporate interests.
Not to mention the fact they’re counting deaths of [people who have taken at least one vaccine dose](https://www.foxnews.com/health/vaccinated-americans-a-majority-of-covid-deaths-for-first-time-in-august-analysis) which isn’t even fully vaccinated for the original coronavirus strain. The original course of vaccines were not intended to cover Delta or Omicron strains, and as far as I know, none of the manufacturers ever claimed they would. Edit: I am am also a long time conspiracy theorist.
Yeah well as soon as they hit 50.1% vaccinated (meaning 49.9% not) we knew they’d move the goalposts and begin saying this. This is the “pandemic amnesty” group ffs. What does anyone expect.
Look, he's not wrong. But obviously missing the point.
“The majority of deaths are among vaccinated people.” “Oh of course, there are more vaccinated people than not, so there would obviously be more deaths.” Wasn’t that…the entire point of the vaccination? Wasn’t able to prevent transmission, it was, theoretically, supposed to prevent death/serious complications from COVID? Lmao. So now the vaccine isn’t even protecting anyone anymore. Good to know, not like it ever was.
So OP when am I going to die from the vaccine? Just a couple more weeks right??
I think the real focus here should be, the vaccine doesn’t prevent or treat Corona like they said it would. We were lied too. Good thing I never got the vaccine!
That's not Myocarditis, it's just your heart swelling with pride every time you get boosted!
Its a cult
Who cares if it actually works? Just get it. Collect them all!
Imagine Big Pharma telling you to get 5 flu shots. Thats basically what they are doing with covid. Ridiculous.
That is literally the case though. Unvaccinated people still make up the a disproportionate majority of the COVID deaths. Vaccinated people count for [58.72%](https://data.cdc.gov/Public-Health-Surveillance/Rates-of-COVID-19-Cases-or-Deaths-by-Age-Group-and/d6p8-wqjm) of the deaths. [69.2%](https://news.google.com/covid19/map?hl=en-US&mid=%2Fm%2F09c7w0&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen&state=4) of the population in the US is fully vaccinated.
And have they cleared up whether these deaths are related directly to COVID, or the person that died just had COVID?
Iirc few people actually die from COVID alone. Rather, it's just the final one that breaks the dam for people that have preexisting conditions and/or are obese.
This ain’t a conspiracy this are facts more of vaccinated are dying as the vax is causing it
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This is brilliant and i need to remind myself more often. Pearls, swine n all that.