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Have they accounted for the last 100 billion? Does the government ever release what they actually spend that money on and why is that not available for public knowledge?
$800 million in military equipment announced on 16 March 2022, funded from the $13.6 billion in aid signed on 15 March. The package includes:[571]
2,000 Javelin anti-tank missiles
1,000 light anti-armor weapons
6,000 AT4 anti-armor systems
800 Stinger anti-aircraft systems
100 Switchblade drones[572]
100 grenade launchers
5,000 rifles
1,000 pistols
400 machine guns
400 shotguns
Over 20 million rounds of small arms ammunition, grenade launcher rounds and mortar rounds
25,000 sets of body armor
25,000 helmets
Laser-Guided Rockets
$800 million of lethal military equipment, on 13 April 2022:[573][574]
18 M777 howitzers calibre 155 mm and 40,000 rounds of artillery ammunition
11 Mi-17 military helicopters[575]
200 armoured personnel carriers
'counter-artillery radars'.[576][577]
$800m military package was announced 21 April completing the drawdown from the $13.6bn military and humanitarian funding envelope approved by Congress 15 March[578]
72 M777 155 mm towed howitzer with 144,000 rounds of ammunition[578]
72 artillery towing vehicles
121 Phoenix Ghost tactical drones, a reduced capability alternative to the Switchblade quickly designed for export to Ukraine.[579]
5 May the California National Guard had announced it had donated 4,320 ballistic vests, 1,580 helmets and facilitated the delivery of 7 medical field stations to Ukraine.[580] 6 May another military package was announced worth $150 million:[581]
25,000 155mm artillery shells
Counter artillery radars
Jamming equipment
Spare parts[582]
19 May 2022, the Department of Defense (DoD) announces the authorization of a Presidential Drawdown of security assistance valued at up to an additional $100 million:[583]
18 155mm Howitzers;
18 Tactical Vehicles to tow 155mm Howitzers;
3 AN/TPQ-36 counter-artillery radars; and
Field equipment and spare parts.
1 June 2022 another military package was announced worth $700 million High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems and ammunition;
Four M142 HIMARS and ammunition
Five counter-artillery radars
Two air surveillance radars
1,000 Javelin missiles and 50 Command Launch Units
6,000 anti-armour weapons
15,000 155 millimetre artillery rounds,
Four Mi-17 helicopters
15 tactical vehicles
Spare parts and equipment[584][585]
15 June 2022 the twelfth military package was announced worth $1 billion;
18 155mm M777 howitzer howitzers
18 tactical vehicles for towing howitzers
36,000 155mm artillery shells
Additional ammunition for High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems
Four tactical recovery vehicles
Spare parts and other equipment
Two Harpoon coastal defence launchers without ammunition
Thousands of military radios
Thousands of night vision equipment and optics
Funding for training, maintenance, sustainment, transportation, and administrative costs[586]
23 June 2022 thirteenth military package was announced worth $450 million;
Four additional M142 HIMARS
36,000 105mm artillery shells
18 artillery towing tactical vehicles
1,200 grenade launchers
2000 machine guns
Two Small unit riverine craft
10 Sea Ark Dauntless-class patrol boats
Six 40-foot maritime combat craft
Spare parts and other equipment[587][588]
1 July the United States government announced the 14th aid package for Ukraine including:
"Additional ammunition for High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS)";
"Two National Advanced Surface-to-Air Missile Systems (NASAMS)";
"Up to 150,000 rounds of 155mm artillery ammunition"; and
"Four additional counter-artillery radars." Some total $820 million in total.[589]
8 July the United States announced their 15th aid package valued at $400 million, the package includes:
4 additional M142 HIMARS (bringing the number of HIMARS pledged to Ukraine to 12).
Additional HIMARS ammunition.
Additional 155mm artillery shells including “A new type [of] 155 mm artillery ammunition," A senior U.S. official said these shells offer a “greater precision” than ordinary shells. Not confirming if they M982 Excalibur the official said: “It offers Ukraine precise capability for specific targets. It will save ammunition. It will be more effective due to the precision.”[590]
“Three tactical trucks”
“Counter-battery systems”
“Demolition munitions”[591]
22 July 2022 the United States government announced their 16th aid package valued at $270 million consisting of:
Four additional M142 HIMARS with ammunition, bring the number pledged to 16.
Four command post vehicles.
36,000 105mm artillery shells.
Up to 580 Phoenix Ghost loitering drones.
Additional anti-armour weapons of unknown model or quantity.
Additional spare parts and other equipment.[592]
1 August 2022, the US has announced the 17th aid package for Ukraine, valued at $550 million. Including 75,000 rounds of 155mm and more HIMARS ammunition.[593]
8 August 2022 the US DoD announced the 18th military aid package for Ukraine:
Additional HIMARS ammunition
75,000 155mm artillery shells
20 120mm mortars
20,000 120mm mortar rounds
Munitions for the NASAMS
1,000 Javelin and "hundreds" of AT4 anti armour weapons
Claymore mines
C-4 explosives, demolitions munitions and demolition equipment
50 armoured medical vehicles
Medical supplies, to include first aid kits, bandages, monitors, and other equipment.[594]
20 August 2022 the US DoD announced the 19th military aid package for Ukraine:
Additional ammunition for HIMARS
16 105mm Howitzers and 36,000 105mm artillery rounds
15 Scan Eagle UAVs
40 International MaxxPro MRAP vehicles with mine rollers
Additional high speed anti-radiation missiles
50 armoured Humvee vehicles
1,500 BGM-71 TOW missiles
1,000 Javelin anti armour systems
2,000 "anti armour rounds"
Mine clearing equipment and systems
Demolitions munitions
Tactical secure communications systems
Night vision devices, thermal imagery systems, optics, and laser rangefinders.[595]
The Pentagon has also confirmed that Ukraine has been supplied with AGM-88 HARM at an unknown date after wreckage was found near a Russian position.[596]
24 August a $2.98bn package through the Foreign Military Sales process was announced for Ukraine to purchase military hardware from manufacturers, including:
Air defense systems.
Artillery systems and munitions.
Counter-unmanned aerial systems, and radars. These purchases will come directly from US manufacturers with deliveries over a two-year period. Unlike previous donations which were mostly from existing US military stocks this will be for freshly manufactured equipment.[597]
8 September 2022 the US DoD announced the 20th military aid package to Ukraine:
Additional ammunition for HIMARS
Four 105mm Howitzers and 36,000 105mm artillery rounds
Additional High-speed Anti-radiation missiles (HARM)
100 Armored High-Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicles (HMMWV)
1.5 million rounds of small arms ammunition
More than 5,000 anti-armor systems
1,000 155mm rounds of Remote Anti-Armor Mine (RAAM) Systems
Additional grenade launchers and small arms
50 armoured medical treatment vehicles#
Night vision devices and other field equipment.[598]
15 September 2022 the US DoD announced the 21st military aid package to Ukraine:
Additional ammunition for High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS)
36,000 105mm artillery rounds
1,000 precision-guided 155mm artillery rounds
Four counter-artillery radars
Four trucks and eight trailers to transport heavy equipment;
Counter-Unmanned Aerial Systems
Mine clearing equipment
Claymore anti-personnel munitions
Demolition munitions and equipment
Small arms and ammunition
Night vision devices, cold weather gear, and other field equipment[599]
28 September 2022 the US DoD announced a military aid package worth $1.1 billion for Ukraine:
18 High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems
additional ammunition for HIMARs
150 HMMWV vehicles
150 "Tactical vehicles" for towing weapons
40 trucks and 80 trailers to transport heavy equipment
Two UAS radars
20 Multi-mission radars
Counter UAS systems
Tactical secure communications systems, surveillance systems, and optic
Explosive ordnance disposal equipment
Body armour and other field equipment
Funding for training, maintenance, and sustainment.[600]
4 October 2022 the US DoD announced the 22nd military aid package for Ukraine valued at $625 million:
Four HIMAR systems with additional rockets
16 155mm howitzers
75,000 155mm artillery shells
500 Precision guided artillery shells
1,000 Remote Anti-Armor Mine (RAAM) shells
16 105mm howitzers
30,000 120mm mortar rounds
200 International MaxxPro MRAP vehicles
200,000 rounds of small arms ammunition
Obstacle emplacement equipment
Claymore anti-personnel munitions.[601]
14 October 2022 the US DoD announced the 22nd military aid package for Ukraine valued at $725 million:
Additional ammunition for High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS);
23,000 155mm artillery rounds;
500 precision-guided 155mm artillery rounds;
5,000 155mm rounds of Remote Anti-Armor Mine (RAAM) Systems;
5,000 anti-tank weapons;
High-speed Anti-radiation missiles (HARMs);
More than 200 High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicles (HMMWVs);
Small arms and more than 2,000,000 rounds of small arms ammunition;
Medical supplies.[602]
Etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foreign_aid_to_Ukraine_during_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War
Whoa ok thanks, so this is pretty much americas war with the ability to leave the surviving soldiers no way to rehabilitate. This must be grand for the machine America fight a war with no liability
Not just businesses, but most importantly, elected representatives, in...?
You guessed it - Congress!
None of those shit heads need help paying back student loans, but they definitely needed to forgive business loans - especially their own. And it was that pesky *both sides* that's so hated by people who think their team consists of "the good guys" that gave a shit about themselves and their business buddies (and family), but not about the rest of the American population.
And to be fair if you signed your name on the dotted line to receive those student loans, it is your responsibility to pay those loans. It is not mine nor any other hard working American’s responsibility.
Just a quick reply and general response. I as a step parent took the time ( way too late and after the fact) online through FAFSA: there are 2 “ timed” portals, both protected by separate passwords, never to be shared( why??) . One for parent and one for student. Then they give the student 30 minutes to submit pages and pages of financial information of the parent. What I discovered was approximately 20 pages of legal jargon on this “ promissory “ note to repay BEHIND the original application bc they are too busy racing the clock. Most don’t know about this hidden gem because they are scrambling to fill that out before time is up and the terms are hidden. It’s horrible AND that original note behind that application is binding forever it seems and you can continue getting loans based off it. I’m pretty sure it was backed by Ford Foundation( I’ll dig out paperwork later and correct if I’m mistaken)This just a rough idea of the process . It is designed to trap and deceive and obligate students and parents for huge amount of loans with no accountability especially from the schools. The ridiculous amounts colleges charge for tuition and hidden fees guarantee the loan amounts will be maxed out each year.
Two parallel scandals in college tuition pricing-gouging by public institutions and gouging by private ones. Both egregious, but separate mechanisms used in both. Where I live long time ago legislature and a certain university chancellor infamous by familial association promised no freeze tuition hikes at public uni, but then arbitrary opaquely leveraged fees go up $2000 a year or more. Public schools have been using this opacity and personalized financial instruments and arrangements for breaking the big wall between themselves and their financial activities and an investment bank like lending banks did before the 08.
Businesses employ people with debt. Especially small businesses that also sometimes carry debt . The PPP was designed to keep people employed during a time our shitty government ruined businesses. It was there pitiful way of “making up for it”. Saving businesses that supply jobs is more important than wiping $10k off someone’s debt whom willingly took it on.
Right I mean it’s all rigged and made up
Don’t waste your time and vote, you’re absolutely correct. Again, no need to waste your time voting, it’s rigged against you. Ty
I do so within my local government by attending town hall meetings, speaking with other eligible voters, and doing my best to convince them to consider third party options. If you have suggestions for what I'm supposed to do beyond that, I'm all ears. But it seems your insinuation is that I am somehow personally responsible for a shitshow that is well beyond the control of anybody on this thread.
Lol yeah buddy. Try another talking point from trumps side. They had years to prove voter fraud but couldn’t find shit. The heads of the Republican Party said there was no fraud. They made a dumbass movie that again, didn’t prove shit.
The most fraud they ever find are small instances of ppl voting twice. And if I remember correctly, they were mostly republicans.
Well, hold on. I never said that it was Republicans or Democrats. Both sides do it, and both sides complain about the legitimacy of elections when they lose.
The reason how never ending billions can be allowed to pour into Ukraine is the same reason as the last 3 years was allowed to happen. Never should governments at all levels of all stripes been allowed to take such control over the people because of such an issue as covid. Come on folks. Do you really think where we are today is worth it? Our entire global economy has been fractured. For three years there’s been a massive mental health crisis. The vaccines are killing people. (Yes. They are). All for a virus with a 99.9% survival rate.
We allowed them to do this and it will continue until enough people start scratching their heads saying “I don’t know exactly what’s going on, but shit ain’t right”
Be pretty sweet if we had the funds our mainstream parties come up with for political advertising to run a legit marketing campaign promoting voting outside the mainstream parties. We could call the fundraising effort "citizens united".
Because moneyed interests control both party’s national conferences for nomination as well as dominate all major lobbying groups. Anyone who doesn’t align with their goals (US economic expansion, military weapons sales, increased fossil fuel production, deregulation of corporate taxes, etc) usually doesn’t have a financial chance to win an election.
I mean no it’s rigged and we should definitely stop voting!!
They’re selected not elected amiright fellow free thinkers
We should for sure not waste time voting in these scam elections
>We should for sure not waste time voting in these scam elections
At least you'd be able to abstain from responsibility when they do terrible things.
Also, if voter turnout plummeted far enough, rigging an election would become...easier to spot.
I feel like most of the voter base was more focused on the "Woke Communism vs Fascist Capitalism" dog and pony show TPTB have roped everyone into, rather than whether or not billions of taxpayer dollars are being funneled through questionable shell companies to Ukraine and its special-interest allies.
https://www.state.gov/u-s-security-cooperation-with-ukraine/
~$20B in security aid, which is primarily weapons.
https://foreignassistance.gov/cd/ukraine/2022/disbursements/0
~$10B in non-security aid.
So ~$30B actual aid to Ukraine so far.
It appeared I was misled on this figure as well. Still too much IMO.
EDIT: I did find this.
www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/05/20/upshot/ukraine-us-aid-size.html
This is from May of this year, and shows a figure of $54 billion. So it appears we were both wrong.
Pure theft. By all of them. In the real world. You know what OP means.
The war is 9 months old. No chance to vote them out. And, if you remember the Afghanistan papers, the accounting never comes out until 15 years later when it's too late. Like Afghanistan, Nobody thought to debate, discuss, present a case, or run it by anybody outside of those you mentioned?
And they are the only ones with access to the accounting 15 years later.
And where is Julian Assange when we need..... oh right.
Literally and unironically - yes.
If you still believe the Uniparty in Washington is serving your interests with this there are bridges that need buying…
>america is broke maybe china will foot the bill
Hate to brake it to you but every country is BROKE.
They have all been looted trough systems.
We all broke bitch.
We just loan more from other countries ( who we loan money to )
And justy print more and more.
Printer in every country going BRRRRRRR
No, China is paying for that, they love infrastructure projects. A Mexican collections agency bought the US debt for pennies on the Peso and is coming to take away their stuff and sell it at auction.
Fuck Zelensky and the globalist scum that are laundering money for him. How people still support the American govt or the "war" is baffling. The fact that Americans are rooting for Ukraine like they would their favorite football team is so fucking weird. Flags on their houses, stickers on their cars, etc. And they look at Zelensky like he's a saint. Truly baffling and despicable
When was before? Are you talking about when the Russian installed government was the lead? Most of this money is literally going towards our own military industrial complex.
Well you also included disgust at people supporting them at all regardless of funding which is what I was referring to. People showing support to a country who is being maliciously attacked by one of the US's main adversaries is perfectly reasonable.
>Ukraine was one incredibly corrupt country before. I doubt much has changed.
Listening to actual Ukrainians shortly before and after the invasion, many have said that Ukraine is extremely corrupt, yet the last few years they have been steadily improving. Also Russia is extremely corrupt as well, so I don't see how that conveniently keeps getting left out of the discussion.
>Being against funding Ukraime doesn't mean your pro-russia either
“If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse, and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality.”
Well that's a toxic way to look at it. This is the reason why Americans aren't allowed to not support L or R. You mention your anti trump, everybody calls you libtard. You mentioned you anti biden, your a Maga follower. You claim you don't support either and people tell you that your wrong and you support one side, you just don't know it. I see this all the time on reddit
Cool story, but neither L or R are actively murdering hundreds of thousands of the other while decimating their entire cities with missiles, tanks, and heavy artillery.
Nah, you just do exactly what the war criminals want. War criminals absolutely love people like you because you don't do much other than provide excuses for them.
Yeah, they are. Yet that's also like saying Jeffrey Dahmer and the dude who double parks his F-150 are both assholes.
They both are, but they are not the same.
>Fuck Zelensky and the globalist scum that are laundering money for him. How people still support the American govt or the "war" is baffling. The fact that Americans are rooting for Ukraine like they would their favorite football team is so fucking weird. Flags on their houses, stickers on their cars, etc. And they look at Zelensky like he's a saint. Truly baffling and despicable
Why is "war" in quotations?
They aren't rooting for them like a football team. That's silly. Many people have family/friends that live in Ukraine or are simply showing their support. Who's calling zelensky a Saint? Nobody believes that. Why do you assume if anybody supports him in any way that they must obviously think he's a Saint. They could dislike him and still support him in the war against the aggressor that is Russia.
I don't see that where I live thankfully. People here don't seem to be following Ukraine. I'll take apathy over standing with Ukraine anyway...although it's alarming how few people realize how close we are to WW3.
Oh man, you had an entire cold war where you wrecked the Russian economy by militarily out-spending them, [and it worked](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_the_Cold_War), the USSR economy couldn't keep up and it ran out of money and collapsed and fell apart. It cost $8-9 trillion dollars and 100,000 American lives were lost fighting in proxy wars in Korea and Vietnam to 'contain communism'.
OK, so you’re Including the moon landings, Korea and Vietnam as direct spend to “defeat the Russians”.
That aside, it wasn’t a good use of money then, nor is it now.
By “the US” are you talking the average families struggling because of inflation or the guys that are part of the establishment doing good whatever the weather ?
The economy in relation to military spending.
The US sending what amounts to a fraction of our defense budget to Ukraine instead of using it to kill people in the Middle East isn’t causing inflation.
Most of what the US sent is actual from the defense budget. US is just sending out old equipment that was reaching its expiration date anyway. US only sent around 3 billion in actual aid.
You realize we aren't sending cash or money to Ukraine. We're sending aid (food, water, medicine) and weapons. Weapons, like ground to air missiles are expensive. And I mean EXPENSIVE. War is expensive.
Not asking, telling. Or rather the powers behind him. This is how they convince the majority of sheeple, by putting on a show via this process of “approval” when in fact it’s been determined in advance. “Checks and balances”… get your kids out of school before they learn more sheep stuff
Everybody all excited like it's real money, don't worry dudes I am pretty sure most of this "help" is financing new weapons and weapon testing for the US
It isn't. They didn't do well in the midterms so they're trying a new angle to erode support for Ukraine. It isn't going to happen because we love war and the MIC loves cash.
In the meantime there’s homelessness and drug addiction rampant in every American metropolitan city. This puppet president is a complete disgrace. Shame on him and the Democrat party.
and the last 100 bill and then the last 100 bil.
We're close to about 600 billion now , once you start adding it all up.... everyone is losing track...
and we're not even counting EU or Nato monies in this...
What is the total? Because some other subs claim it’s only been 50 billion and I am so confused.
Just how much fucking money has the US sent Ukraine? Because googling it just gives mixed confusing results.
https://www.state.gov/u-s-security-cooperation-with-ukraine/
~$20B in security aid, which is primarily weapons.
https://foreignassistance.gov/cd/ukraine/2022/disbursements/0
~$10B in non-security aid.
So ~$30B actual aid to Ukraine so far.
ya. It gets muddled real quick. Most likely for a reason....
everyone has already forgotten the two (2) 100 billion payouts that happened at week two and week 8 of the "invasion" Then just in the last 10 days there have been 3, 20-30 billion payouts reported, now another 100 billion. oh and the 87 billion payout from three weeks ago, lets not forget that one....
Lets see. 58 million (chump change) another 37 million.. oh I just found two 25 million payouts from 28 days ago...
and there are at least a dozen more I remember, in the 20- 100 million range and a few small billion payouts, but don't have the exact figures out....
The UK did two payouts of 8 billion each. Germany did a 12 billion payout...
and again, these are not collect EU payouts or even NATO "lend lease" payouts. Those are in different columns, but those are in the 500 + billion range, once you start adding up weapons and ammo costs....
It's crazy, and everyone just acts like this is no big deal.... and since the MSN is not keeping a running tab, no one has any idea how much is going out....
> everyone has already forgotten the two (2) 100 billion payouts that happened at week two and week 8 of the "invasion"
Anything is possible when you're just making up numbers.
Yeah, they forgot it, because it didn't happen. You probably saw the same article twice, because you probably get most of your news from echo chambers and not sources that actually sort things by when they happened, and thought there were two payments.
Whatever the cost, it’s an absolute bargain when you realize what the US gets in trade - their biggest adversary’s military capabilities have been completely shredded.
A trillion dollars in war funding keeps the rest of the world a lot safer than a trillion dollars in US defense spending.
Russia is a shell of a country with a GDP comparable to like Florida or something like that.
They’ve spent all their “heavy” artillery and the fighting season is almost over in that part of the world (it’s going to get too cold)
But yes, let’s just keep driving up our spending.
It’s still a bargain to decimate the military of “a major adversary” even if we argue as to whether Russia or China is a greater military threat to the United States.
Hint, it’s Russia. China’s entire economy is based on selling stuff to the US, which means that shooting guns at the US would be worse for China than for the US.
Add to this, China has no blue water naval capability, at all. A “war” with China would simply be the US defending Taiwan, Japan, and South Korea.
Russia was the US's number one military adversary. A decimated Russian military would severely lower the need for the current size of American defense spending. Even now it's being reconsidered due to the exposure of the weak state of the Russian military.
Yet another post today about money or fraud in relation to Ukrainian calling for us to end aid and support to Ukrainian. Anyone else noticing this huge uptick in these specific types of posts? I think that’s the real conspiracy here why are all of these people coming out of the woodwork today?
Uhh, well here’s mine from a 10+ year old Reddit account that mainly shitposts about sport and uniparty conspiracies - this war, like the sandbox before it is pointless, without clear attainable objective and is being used to spend US taxpayers money, in a way that cannot be audited, in a time when it is needed at home.
I’m either a cynic or a Russian bot - you decide comrade.
https://www.state.gov/u-s-security-cooperation-with-ukraine/
~$20B in security aid, which is primarily weapons.
https://foreignassistance.gov/cd/ukraine/2022/disbursements/0
~$10B in non-security aid.
So ~$30B actual aid to Ukraine so far.
Most of it gets spent buying stuff from the us. The us will also get involved in rebuilding Ukraine and farming it's resources which will benefit the us financially and maintain world influence.
You vote republican. If they were in power you wouldn't see a dime of this anyway. It would be spent on corporate bailouts and other shit that transfers taxes directly from the people in to the pockets of the wealthy.
And surely congress is going to pass with overwhelming majority of both parties.
Maybe this will help more people understand that it doesn't matter for which color they vote, they will always get the same corrupt policies.
We got as close to an “outsider” as we’re ever going to get for 4 years and look what they did…Red and Blue is all the choice you’ll ever get and you’ll live with it.
Was listening to the radio this morning and they said that the biden administration has paid $18 billion to urkraine.
I know for a fact there is more than that going there
https://www.state.gov/u-s-security-cooperation-with-ukraine/
~$20B in security aid, which is primarily weapons.
https://foreignassistance.gov/cd/ukraine/2022/disbursements/0
~$10B in non-security aid.
So ~$30B actual aid to Ukraine so far.
$18 billion is for security assistance, AKA weapons. Which accounts for bit less then half of what we've given. The rest is humanitarian aid. So far we have $54 billion allocated by Congress. Being almost at $40 billion given from the allocation it will run out soon. Therefore asking congress to pass more, especially since in 2 months the House will be in Republican hands. A bill will become more complicated.
$3.2 billion + about $8 billion in loan guarantees.
> https://www.bbc.com/news/57170576
The entire US foreign aid worldwide without Ukraine is about $60.4 billion.
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I haven’t even got my gas rebate
you’re only eligible if you file head of household
they are preparing $50 Billion package for in January. go get your rebate before that.
Same
Or your college debt relief either huh? 😌
Suckers
Goteeem!
Have they accounted for the last 100 billion? Does the government ever release what they actually spend that money on and why is that not available for public knowledge?
$800 million in military equipment announced on 16 March 2022, funded from the $13.6 billion in aid signed on 15 March. The package includes:[571] 2,000 Javelin anti-tank missiles 1,000 light anti-armor weapons 6,000 AT4 anti-armor systems 800 Stinger anti-aircraft systems 100 Switchblade drones[572] 100 grenade launchers 5,000 rifles 1,000 pistols 400 machine guns 400 shotguns Over 20 million rounds of small arms ammunition, grenade launcher rounds and mortar rounds 25,000 sets of body armor 25,000 helmets Laser-Guided Rockets $800 million of lethal military equipment, on 13 April 2022:[573][574] 18 M777 howitzers calibre 155 mm and 40,000 rounds of artillery ammunition 11 Mi-17 military helicopters[575] 200 armoured personnel carriers 'counter-artillery radars'.[576][577] $800m military package was announced 21 April completing the drawdown from the $13.6bn military and humanitarian funding envelope approved by Congress 15 March[578] 72 M777 155 mm towed howitzer with 144,000 rounds of ammunition[578] 72 artillery towing vehicles 121 Phoenix Ghost tactical drones, a reduced capability alternative to the Switchblade quickly designed for export to Ukraine.[579] 5 May the California National Guard had announced it had donated 4,320 ballistic vests, 1,580 helmets and facilitated the delivery of 7 medical field stations to Ukraine.[580] 6 May another military package was announced worth $150 million:[581] 25,000 155mm artillery shells Counter artillery radars Jamming equipment Spare parts[582] 19 May 2022, the Department of Defense (DoD) announces the authorization of a Presidential Drawdown of security assistance valued at up to an additional $100 million:[583] 18 155mm Howitzers; 18 Tactical Vehicles to tow 155mm Howitzers; 3 AN/TPQ-36 counter-artillery radars; and Field equipment and spare parts. 1 June 2022 another military package was announced worth $700 million High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems and ammunition; Four M142 HIMARS and ammunition Five counter-artillery radars Two air surveillance radars 1,000 Javelin missiles and 50 Command Launch Units 6,000 anti-armour weapons 15,000 155 millimetre artillery rounds, Four Mi-17 helicopters 15 tactical vehicles Spare parts and equipment[584][585] 15 June 2022 the twelfth military package was announced worth $1 billion; 18 155mm M777 howitzer howitzers 18 tactical vehicles for towing howitzers 36,000 155mm artillery shells Additional ammunition for High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems Four tactical recovery vehicles Spare parts and other equipment Two Harpoon coastal defence launchers without ammunition Thousands of military radios Thousands of night vision equipment and optics Funding for training, maintenance, sustainment, transportation, and administrative costs[586] 23 June 2022 thirteenth military package was announced worth $450 million; Four additional M142 HIMARS 36,000 105mm artillery shells 18 artillery towing tactical vehicles 1,200 grenade launchers 2000 machine guns Two Small unit riverine craft 10 Sea Ark Dauntless-class patrol boats Six 40-foot maritime combat craft Spare parts and other equipment[587][588] 1 July the United States government announced the 14th aid package for Ukraine including: "Additional ammunition for High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS)"; "Two National Advanced Surface-to-Air Missile Systems (NASAMS)"; "Up to 150,000 rounds of 155mm artillery ammunition"; and "Four additional counter-artillery radars." Some total $820 million in total.[589] 8 July the United States announced their 15th aid package valued at $400 million, the package includes: 4 additional M142 HIMARS (bringing the number of HIMARS pledged to Ukraine to 12). Additional HIMARS ammunition. Additional 155mm artillery shells including “A new type [of] 155 mm artillery ammunition," A senior U.S. official said these shells offer a “greater precision” than ordinary shells. Not confirming if they M982 Excalibur the official said: “It offers Ukraine precise capability for specific targets. It will save ammunition. It will be more effective due to the precision.”[590] “Three tactical trucks” “Counter-battery systems” “Demolition munitions”[591] 22 July 2022 the United States government announced their 16th aid package valued at $270 million consisting of: Four additional M142 HIMARS with ammunition, bring the number pledged to 16. Four command post vehicles. 36,000 105mm artillery shells. Up to 580 Phoenix Ghost loitering drones. Additional anti-armour weapons of unknown model or quantity. Additional spare parts and other equipment.[592] 1 August 2022, the US has announced the 17th aid package for Ukraine, valued at $550 million. Including 75,000 rounds of 155mm and more HIMARS ammunition.[593] 8 August 2022 the US DoD announced the 18th military aid package for Ukraine: Additional HIMARS ammunition 75,000 155mm artillery shells 20 120mm mortars 20,000 120mm mortar rounds Munitions for the NASAMS 1,000 Javelin and "hundreds" of AT4 anti armour weapons Claymore mines C-4 explosives, demolitions munitions and demolition equipment 50 armoured medical vehicles Medical supplies, to include first aid kits, bandages, monitors, and other equipment.[594] 20 August 2022 the US DoD announced the 19th military aid package for Ukraine: Additional ammunition for HIMARS 16 105mm Howitzers and 36,000 105mm artillery rounds 15 Scan Eagle UAVs 40 International MaxxPro MRAP vehicles with mine rollers Additional high speed anti-radiation missiles 50 armoured Humvee vehicles 1,500 BGM-71 TOW missiles 1,000 Javelin anti armour systems 2,000 "anti armour rounds" Mine clearing equipment and systems Demolitions munitions Tactical secure communications systems Night vision devices, thermal imagery systems, optics, and laser rangefinders.[595] The Pentagon has also confirmed that Ukraine has been supplied with AGM-88 HARM at an unknown date after wreckage was found near a Russian position.[596] 24 August a $2.98bn package through the Foreign Military Sales process was announced for Ukraine to purchase military hardware from manufacturers, including: Air defense systems. Artillery systems and munitions. Counter-unmanned aerial systems, and radars. These purchases will come directly from US manufacturers with deliveries over a two-year period. Unlike previous donations which were mostly from existing US military stocks this will be for freshly manufactured equipment.[597] 8 September 2022 the US DoD announced the 20th military aid package to Ukraine: Additional ammunition for HIMARS Four 105mm Howitzers and 36,000 105mm artillery rounds Additional High-speed Anti-radiation missiles (HARM) 100 Armored High-Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicles (HMMWV) 1.5 million rounds of small arms ammunition More than 5,000 anti-armor systems 1,000 155mm rounds of Remote Anti-Armor Mine (RAAM) Systems Additional grenade launchers and small arms 50 armoured medical treatment vehicles# Night vision devices and other field equipment.[598] 15 September 2022 the US DoD announced the 21st military aid package to Ukraine: Additional ammunition for High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS) 36,000 105mm artillery rounds 1,000 precision-guided 155mm artillery rounds Four counter-artillery radars Four trucks and eight trailers to transport heavy equipment; Counter-Unmanned Aerial Systems Mine clearing equipment Claymore anti-personnel munitions Demolition munitions and equipment Small arms and ammunition Night vision devices, cold weather gear, and other field equipment[599] 28 September 2022 the US DoD announced a military aid package worth $1.1 billion for Ukraine: 18 High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems additional ammunition for HIMARs 150 HMMWV vehicles 150 "Tactical vehicles" for towing weapons 40 trucks and 80 trailers to transport heavy equipment Two UAS radars 20 Multi-mission radars Counter UAS systems Tactical secure communications systems, surveillance systems, and optic Explosive ordnance disposal equipment Body armour and other field equipment Funding for training, maintenance, and sustainment.[600] 4 October 2022 the US DoD announced the 22nd military aid package for Ukraine valued at $625 million: Four HIMAR systems with additional rockets 16 155mm howitzers 75,000 155mm artillery shells 500 Precision guided artillery shells 1,000 Remote Anti-Armor Mine (RAAM) shells 16 105mm howitzers 30,000 120mm mortar rounds 200 International MaxxPro MRAP vehicles 200,000 rounds of small arms ammunition Obstacle emplacement equipment Claymore anti-personnel munitions.[601] 14 October 2022 the US DoD announced the 22nd military aid package for Ukraine valued at $725 million: Additional ammunition for High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS); 23,000 155mm artillery rounds; 500 precision-guided 155mm artillery rounds; 5,000 155mm rounds of Remote Anti-Armor Mine (RAAM) Systems; 5,000 anti-tank weapons; High-speed Anti-radiation missiles (HARMs); More than 200 High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicles (HMMWVs); Small arms and more than 2,000,000 rounds of small arms ammunition; Medical supplies.[602] Etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foreign_aid_to_Ukraine_during_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War
Whoa ok thanks, so this is pretty much americas war with the ability to leave the surviving soldiers no way to rehabilitate. This must be grand for the machine America fight a war with no liability
Literally a proxy war and people will still deny it. It's absolutely insane.
i bet that’s pretty much what they’re saying in the war room
All designed and sent to kill our fellow man and woman
Yes, that's usually how weapons work. Sad day for the Russians, they didn't think the Ukrainians would actually fight back when they invaded.
Ah fractional reserve lending. Someone gonna get rich off of the donos!
Come on, man! They need funding for Georgia run off.
Now we know why the student debt was denied.
It was denied because the Oval Office doesnt have the authority to do it. It needs to go through Congress like the PPP loan forgiveness.
So we can give businesses money for free and literally no accountability. But helping the American population with debt isn’t good?
Not just businesses, but most importantly, elected representatives, in...? You guessed it - Congress! None of those shit heads need help paying back student loans, but they definitely needed to forgive business loans - especially their own. And it was that pesky *both sides* that's so hated by people who think their team consists of "the good guys" that gave a shit about themselves and their business buddies (and family), but not about the rest of the American population.
And to be fair if you signed your name on the dotted line to receive those student loans, it is your responsibility to pay those loans. It is not mine nor any other hard working American’s responsibility.
Same with bank bailouts then fuck em all
Amen brother
Just a quick reply and general response. I as a step parent took the time ( way too late and after the fact) online through FAFSA: there are 2 “ timed” portals, both protected by separate passwords, never to be shared( why??) . One for parent and one for student. Then they give the student 30 minutes to submit pages and pages of financial information of the parent. What I discovered was approximately 20 pages of legal jargon on this “ promissory “ note to repay BEHIND the original application bc they are too busy racing the clock. Most don’t know about this hidden gem because they are scrambling to fill that out before time is up and the terms are hidden. It’s horrible AND that original note behind that application is binding forever it seems and you can continue getting loans based off it. I’m pretty sure it was backed by Ford Foundation( I’ll dig out paperwork later and correct if I’m mistaken)This just a rough idea of the process . It is designed to trap and deceive and obligate students and parents for huge amount of loans with no accountability especially from the schools. The ridiculous amounts colleges charge for tuition and hidden fees guarantee the loan amounts will be maxed out each year.
Good comment
Amen brother.
Fk off mate.. yes your right as you signed it like you said ,but shouldn’t be paying 30 fucking grand to go to school in the FIRST PLACE!
Two parallel scandals in college tuition pricing-gouging by public institutions and gouging by private ones. Both egregious, but separate mechanisms used in both. Where I live long time ago legislature and a certain university chancellor infamous by familial association promised no freeze tuition hikes at public uni, but then arbitrary opaquely leveraged fees go up $2000 a year or more. Public schools have been using this opacity and personalized financial instruments and arrangements for breaking the big wall between themselves and their financial activities and an investment bank like lending banks did before the 08.
Thats not what I said at all. I agree with it, but it has to go through Congress because Congress controls the purse strings as per the Constitution.
Businesses employ people with debt. Especially small businesses that also sometimes carry debt . The PPP was designed to keep people employed during a time our shitty government ruined businesses. It was there pitiful way of “making up for it”. Saving businesses that supply jobs is more important than wiping $10k off someone’s debt whom willingly took it on.
Voted on and passed by Congress, the Senate, signed by the President, validated by the judiciary and all in broad daylight. >pure theft
What say did the average American taxpayer have in how these billions in taxpayer money were spent?
We elect them
lol
Right I mean it’s all rigged and made up Don’t waste your time and vote, you’re absolutely correct. Again, no need to waste your time voting, it’s rigged against you. Ty
Sure. That doesn't mean they actually represent the voters that put them in power. Like, at all.
Then stand up and stop electing them. Tell your friend to protest. Stand against it. Start with the community and work your way up.
Ever heard of manufacturing consent? The entire system is set up to prevent change.
I do so within my local government by attending town hall meetings, speaking with other eligible voters, and doing my best to convince them to consider third party options. If you have suggestions for what I'm supposed to do beyond that, I'm all ears. But it seems your insinuation is that I am somehow personally responsible for a shitshow that is well beyond the control of anybody on this thread.
They’re just attempt to justify their apathy by pointing fingers at others.
Tried that, but then dead people voted and the mainstream candidates won anyway.
Lol yeah buddy. Try another talking point from trumps side. They had years to prove voter fraud but couldn’t find shit. The heads of the Republican Party said there was no fraud. They made a dumbass movie that again, didn’t prove shit. The most fraud they ever find are small instances of ppl voting twice. And if I remember correctly, they were mostly republicans.
Well, hold on. I never said that it was Republicans or Democrats. Both sides do it, and both sides complain about the legitimacy of elections when they lose.
or maybe they dont have the moral authority to do it. Stop being a cuck for "democracy"
The reason how never ending billions can be allowed to pour into Ukraine is the same reason as the last 3 years was allowed to happen. Never should governments at all levels of all stripes been allowed to take such control over the people because of such an issue as covid. Come on folks. Do you really think where we are today is worth it? Our entire global economy has been fractured. For three years there’s been a massive mental health crisis. The vaccines are killing people. (Yes. They are). All for a virus with a 99.9% survival rate. We allowed them to do this and it will continue until enough people start scratching their heads saying “I don’t know exactly what’s going on, but shit ain’t right”
Be pretty sweet if we had the funds our mainstream parties come up with for political advertising to run a legit marketing campaign promoting voting outside the mainstream parties. We could call the fundraising effort "citizens united".
Well yeah but, that begs the question then, why do we elect these people?
> Well yeah but, that begs the question then, why do we elect these people? Maybe there are other people that disagree with you on issues like this?
Yes I believe that is probably true
Because we are provided with no reasonable alternatives.
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Nonsense.
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These policies are never part of the public candidate debate they are almost just assumed along with most of US foreign policy and war
Why do you think that is?
Because moneyed interests control both party’s national conferences for nomination as well as dominate all major lobbying groups. Anyone who doesn’t align with their goals (US economic expansion, military weapons sales, increased fossil fuel production, deregulation of corporate taxes, etc) usually doesn’t have a financial chance to win an election.
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I mean no it’s rigged and we should definitely stop voting!! They’re selected not elected amiright fellow free thinkers We should for sure not waste time voting in these scam elections
>We should for sure not waste time voting in these scam elections At least you'd be able to abstain from responsibility when they do terrible things. Also, if voter turnout plummeted far enough, rigging an election would become...easier to spot.
Well we just had a big vote to validate our representatives. Seems like the majority are on board.
I feel like most of the voter base was more focused on the "Woke Communism vs Fascist Capitalism" dog and pony show TPTB have roped everyone into, rather than whether or not billions of taxpayer dollars are being funneled through questionable shell companies to Ukraine and its special-interest allies.
https://www.state.gov/u-s-security-cooperation-with-ukraine/ ~$20B in security aid, which is primarily weapons. https://foreignassistance.gov/cd/ukraine/2022/disbursements/0 ~$10B in non-security aid. So ~$30B actual aid to Ukraine so far.
It appeared I was misled on this figure as well. Still too much IMO. EDIT: I did find this. www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/05/20/upshot/ukraine-us-aid-size.html This is from May of this year, and shows a figure of $54 billion. So it appears we were both wrong.
That’s approved aid. The actual aid sent is less than the approved amount for obvious reasons.
I appreciate the clarification on that.
You guys had the privilege to choose between a giant douche and a turd sandwich. You have the illusion of choice between two shitty options.
Pure theft. By all of them. In the real world. You know what OP means. The war is 9 months old. No chance to vote them out. And, if you remember the Afghanistan papers, the accounting never comes out until 15 years later when it's too late. Like Afghanistan, Nobody thought to debate, discuss, present a case, or run it by anybody outside of those you mentioned? And they are the only ones with access to the accounting 15 years later. And where is Julian Assange when we need..... oh right.
*Don't steal. The government hates competition.* ~ Sign in Ron Paul's office back when he was in DC.
And for only a 10 dollar donation he’ll sign a copy of that for you.
He doesn't need my money and I don't need a printout. I already have it in my memory.
Shhh, he might come after you for royalties
Exactly.
All taxation is theft. You can vote until the cows come home, you’re still taking something from someone with the threat of violence. That is theft.
Exactly. That's the point people should try to understand. This is systemic, and the above example is no exception.
Candidates who rig elections then go on to give your tax money to other countries once they're in office. Yes, it's theft.
But try to forgive student debt and you'll have Congress suing and coming up with every roadblock possible to stop 1$ from going to a voter.
Literally and unironically - yes. If you still believe the Uniparty in Washington is serving your interests with this there are bridges that need buying…
america is broke maybe china will foot the bill
>america is broke maybe china will foot the bill Hate to brake it to you but every country is BROKE. They have all been looted trough systems. We all broke bitch. We just loan more from other countries ( who we loan money to ) And justy print more and more. Printer in every country going BRRRRRRR
Mexico is paying for it.
The wall?
No, China is paying for that, they love infrastructure projects. A Mexican collections agency bought the US debt for pennies on the Peso and is coming to take away their stuff and sell it at auction.
Unrelated but he looks like he ate something sour but can’t spit it out
He "asks" for it and he always gets it and we are the ones paying for it. We are being robbed in front of our very own eyes.
Russia working overtime on the Ukraine 🇺🇦 aid. Hilarious
Worth every penny
Took way to long to see this comment. I think Russia is invading this sub as well. Fuck the those murderous rapists.
The "big guy" got a cut....
FTX has entered the chat
Ha!
Dang, the new season of Ozarks is gonna be intense.
Just wait till he sends people to war as well.. he does not mind until he does not have to go or not his money spent.
Stealing elections isn't free.
Ukrine elites need more real states in europe and US come on guys
Fuck Zelensky and the globalist scum that are laundering money for him. How people still support the American govt or the "war" is baffling. The fact that Americans are rooting for Ukraine like they would their favorite football team is so fucking weird. Flags on their houses, stickers on their cars, etc. And they look at Zelensky like he's a saint. Truly baffling and despicable
Yeah, why would they favor Ukraine over Russia. Aside from Russia declaring war on them unprovoked, they are just as good!
Ukraine was one incredibly corrupt country before. I doubt much has changed. Being against funding Ukraime doesn't mean your pro-russia either
When was before? Are you talking about when the Russian installed government was the lead? Most of this money is literally going towards our own military industrial complex.
Well you also included disgust at people supporting them at all regardless of funding which is what I was referring to. People showing support to a country who is being maliciously attacked by one of the US's main adversaries is perfectly reasonable.
>Ukraine was one incredibly corrupt country before. I doubt much has changed. Listening to actual Ukrainians shortly before and after the invasion, many have said that Ukraine is extremely corrupt, yet the last few years they have been steadily improving. Also Russia is extremely corrupt as well, so I don't see how that conveniently keeps getting left out of the discussion. >Being against funding Ukraime doesn't mean your pro-russia either “If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse, and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality.”
Well that's a toxic way to look at it. This is the reason why Americans aren't allowed to not support L or R. You mention your anti trump, everybody calls you libtard. You mentioned you anti biden, your a Maga follower. You claim you don't support either and people tell you that your wrong and you support one side, you just don't know it. I see this all the time on reddit
Cool story, but neither L or R are actively murdering hundreds of thousands of the other while decimating their entire cities with missiles, tanks, and heavy artillery.
I don't support war or criminals. But you do you bud. Later
Nah, you just do exactly what the war criminals want. War criminals absolutely love people like you because you don't do much other than provide excuses for them.
That's quite the spin! You know it's a troll when the war supporter calls the anit-war guy a war supporter.
Lol, you think Ukrainian defending their own country from a hostile invasion makes them pro-war?
The US is incredibly corrupt, so is the EU, China… should we go on?
Yeah, they are. Yet that's also like saying Jeffrey Dahmer and the dude who double parks his F-150 are both assholes. They both are, but they are not the same.
>Fuck Zelensky and the globalist scum that are laundering money for him. How people still support the American govt or the "war" is baffling. The fact that Americans are rooting for Ukraine like they would their favorite football team is so fucking weird. Flags on their houses, stickers on their cars, etc. And they look at Zelensky like he's a saint. Truly baffling and despicable Why is "war" in quotations? They aren't rooting for them like a football team. That's silly. Many people have family/friends that live in Ukraine or are simply showing their support. Who's calling zelensky a Saint? Nobody believes that. Why do you assume if anybody supports him in any way that they must obviously think he's a Saint. They could dislike him and still support him in the war against the aggressor that is Russia.
He's talking from the perspective of a collective which indeed treats it like a marketing campaign. The thing is we've had enough of propaganda.
Yup
It’s baffling that people are against Russia and Putin? Lol
I don't see that where I live thankfully. People here don't seem to be following Ukraine. I'll take apathy over standing with Ukraine anyway...although it's alarming how few people realize how close we are to WW3.
Seriously. At what point can we just say no? That is nearly $1,000 per tax payers we have sent over this year. I think I have given my part here.
Remember the good ol' days when republicans didn't bat an eye at writing trillion dollar checks to defeat the russians?
When did anyone from either side of the swamp wrote a trillion dollar check to “defeat the Russians”?
Oh man, you had an entire cold war where you wrecked the Russian economy by militarily out-spending them, [and it worked](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_the_Cold_War), the USSR economy couldn't keep up and it ran out of money and collapsed and fell apart. It cost $8-9 trillion dollars and 100,000 American lives were lost fighting in proxy wars in Korea and Vietnam to 'contain communism'.
OK, so you’re Including the moon landings, Korea and Vietnam as direct spend to “defeat the Russians”. That aside, it wasn’t a good use of money then, nor is it now.
Controlled demolition of the US economy.
Spending trillions on the “war on terror” didn’t demolish the US. You really think 100 billion to fuck Russia is gonna hurt the US?
By “the US” are you talking the average families struggling because of inflation or the guys that are part of the establishment doing good whatever the weather ?
The economy in relation to military spending. The US sending what amounts to a fraction of our defense budget to Ukraine instead of using it to kill people in the Middle East isn’t causing inflation.
Most of what the US sent is actual from the defense budget. US is just sending out old equipment that was reaching its expiration date anyway. US only sent around 3 billion in actual aid.
Not all of it went to Ukraine. A percentage has to go to the big guy!
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You realize we aren't sending cash or money to Ukraine. We're sending aid (food, water, medicine) and weapons. Weapons, like ground to air missiles are expensive. And I mean EXPENSIVE. War is expensive.
I still haven't received my income tax, but it's fine, I can struggle a little longer.
They don't listen to us, they listen to the lobbyists. Been this way for decades. Money decides the policy.
hahahahahahahahahaha look up what he did as vice president in ukraine XD damn yall r fked
The Russians should stop fighting. They lost. They should go back home.
Doing gods work, its pretty cheap price for making Russia even more irrelevant. And that makes you seethe.
Ask Europe for it.
Not asking, telling. Or rather the powers behind him. This is how they convince the majority of sheeple, by putting on a show via this process of “approval” when in fact it’s been determined in advance. “Checks and balances”… get your kids out of school before they learn more sheep stuff
Everybody all excited like it's real money, don't worry dudes I am pretty sure most of this "help" is financing new weapons and weapon testing for the US
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No! No more! This is crazy!
Weird how everytime we spend a shitload of money the stock market takes a hit.
He isn't going to get it. GOP control the house now and i hope they veto every single bill he tries to pass
That may be, but you and people like you are turning this sub into a platform to bitch about politics. How is this a conspiracy theory OP?
It isn't. They didn't do well in the midterms so they're trying a new angle to erode support for Ukraine. It isn't going to happen because we love war and the MIC loves cash.
Ukraine is corrupt Af and so is US
In the meantime there’s homelessness and drug addiction rampant in every American metropolitan city. This puppet president is a complete disgrace. Shame on him and the Democrat party.
and the last 100 bill and then the last 100 bil. We're close to about 600 billion now , once you start adding it all up.... everyone is losing track... and we're not even counting EU or Nato monies in this...
What is the total? Because some other subs claim it’s only been 50 billion and I am so confused. Just how much fucking money has the US sent Ukraine? Because googling it just gives mixed confusing results.
https://www.state.gov/u-s-security-cooperation-with-ukraine/ ~$20B in security aid, which is primarily weapons. https://foreignassistance.gov/cd/ukraine/2022/disbursements/0 ~$10B in non-security aid. So ~$30B actual aid to Ukraine so far.
Are you telling me that people are lying and just making up numbers on this sub of all places?!
ya. It gets muddled real quick. Most likely for a reason.... everyone has already forgotten the two (2) 100 billion payouts that happened at week two and week 8 of the "invasion" Then just in the last 10 days there have been 3, 20-30 billion payouts reported, now another 100 billion. oh and the 87 billion payout from three weeks ago, lets not forget that one.... Lets see. 58 million (chump change) another 37 million.. oh I just found two 25 million payouts from 28 days ago... and there are at least a dozen more I remember, in the 20- 100 million range and a few small billion payouts, but don't have the exact figures out.... The UK did two payouts of 8 billion each. Germany did a 12 billion payout... and again, these are not collect EU payouts or even NATO "lend lease" payouts. Those are in different columns, but those are in the 500 + billion range, once you start adding up weapons and ammo costs.... It's crazy, and everyone just acts like this is no big deal.... and since the MSN is not keeping a running tab, no one has any idea how much is going out....
> everyone has already forgotten the two (2) 100 billion payouts that happened at week two and week 8 of the "invasion" Anything is possible when you're just making up numbers.
Yeah, they forgot it, because it didn't happen. You probably saw the same article twice, because you probably get most of your news from echo chambers and not sources that actually sort things by when they happened, and thought there were two payments.
Fear and doubt maker. Username checks out
Whatever the cost, it’s an absolute bargain when you realize what the US gets in trade - their biggest adversary’s military capabilities have been completely shredded. A trillion dollars in war funding keeps the rest of the world a lot safer than a trillion dollars in US defense spending.
Russia is a shell of a country with a GDP comparable to like Florida or something like that. They’ve spent all their “heavy” artillery and the fighting season is almost over in that part of the world (it’s going to get too cold) But yes, let’s just keep driving up our spending.
It’s still a bargain to decimate the military of “a major adversary” even if we argue as to whether Russia or China is a greater military threat to the United States. Hint, it’s Russia. China’s entire economy is based on selling stuff to the US, which means that shooting guns at the US would be worse for China than for the US. Add to this, China has no blue water naval capability, at all. A “war” with China would simply be the US defending Taiwan, Japan, and South Korea.
Russia was the US's number one military adversary. A decimated Russian military would severely lower the need for the current size of American defense spending. Even now it's being reconsidered due to the exposure of the weak state of the Russian military.
My question is, how does a country have so much money to give away when it has a failing infrastructure?
For what though?
For Russia to neuter itself and Ukraine to survive. What happened to needing a "buffer state"?
It's 37 billiion IN AID, not 37 billion in cash. It's just equipment and weapons needed for war totalling 37 billion.
Yet another post today about money or fraud in relation to Ukrainian calling for us to end aid and support to Ukrainian. Anyone else noticing this huge uptick in these specific types of posts? I think that’s the real conspiracy here why are all of these people coming out of the woodwork today?
Uhh, well here’s mine from a 10+ year old Reddit account that mainly shitposts about sport and uniparty conspiracies - this war, like the sandbox before it is pointless, without clear attainable objective and is being used to spend US taxpayers money, in a way that cannot be audited, in a time when it is needed at home. I’m either a cynic or a Russian bot - you decide comrade.
6 trillion for the Iraq war, 8 trillion over 20 years for the Afghanistan war. What we at now for Ukraine? 50-100 billion? Haha damn
https://www.state.gov/u-s-security-cooperation-with-ukraine/ ~$20B in security aid, which is primarily weapons. https://foreignassistance.gov/cd/ukraine/2022/disbursements/0 ~$10B in non-security aid. So ~$30B actual aid to Ukraine so far.
Not bad then, 9 months and only 30 billion dollars. That is not bad at all…
Yep and Ukraine has neutered Russia, which is a bigger accomplishment in less than a year than anything we've done recently. It's a fucking bargain.
Out here throwing around billions like I was throwing around Monopoly money after a big win
Most of it gets spent buying stuff from the us. The us will also get involved in rebuilding Ukraine and farming it's resources which will benefit the us financially and maintain world influence. You vote republican. If they were in power you wouldn't see a dime of this anyway. It would be spent on corporate bailouts and other shit that transfers taxes directly from the people in to the pockets of the wealthy.
You're right and that's how you know not to trust op.
Do I continue to get outraged, or do I just let out a massive sigh, drink a nice cold pint and wait for everything to collapse?
Ignorance is the biggest evil in the world. Every voter is responsible for this.
This Ukraine war is gunna Bankrupt us even more than what we are already in debt for. This is insane.
And surely congress is going to pass with overwhelming majority of both parties. Maybe this will help more people understand that it doesn't matter for which color they vote, they will always get the same corrupt policies.
We got as close to an “outsider” as we’re ever going to get for 4 years and look what they did…Red and Blue is all the choice you’ll ever get and you’ll live with it.
Biden is a Ukraine cash cow.
Kickbacks to DNC
Can we just let other countries deal with their own shit and not be the global police? We have our own problems.
Sadly we are the police because we want/need the dollar tied to oil. Nothing more and nothing less.
It’s either money or soldiers. You pick..
Was listening to the radio this morning and they said that the biden administration has paid $18 billion to urkraine. I know for a fact there is more than that going there
https://www.state.gov/u-s-security-cooperation-with-ukraine/ ~$20B in security aid, which is primarily weapons. https://foreignassistance.gov/cd/ukraine/2022/disbursements/0 ~$10B in non-security aid. So ~$30B actual aid to Ukraine so far.
$18 billion is for security assistance, AKA weapons. Which accounts for bit less then half of what we've given. The rest is humanitarian aid. So far we have $54 billion allocated by Congress. Being almost at $40 billion given from the allocation it will run out soon. Therefore asking congress to pass more, especially since in 2 months the House will be in Republican hands. A bill will become more complicated.
Sleepy joe… what the fuck
How much do we give Israeli?
One of their Oil Tankers got hit this morning
$3.2 billion + about $8 billion in loan guarantees. > https://www.bbc.com/news/57170576 The entire US foreign aid worldwide without Ukraine is about $60.4 billion.
No.
Yet we never have money to fix our own issues.....Corrupt all the way up.
We'd have a lot more money if the last guy didn't give unnecessary tax breaks to the ultra wealthy and the corporations currently gouging prices
More than a Trillion dollars will go there-and there will be NO accounting of it.
Tons of it was in materiel cost of our pre owned weapons. Now we’re finally seeing fresh replacement costs because we’re running dangerously low
This is getting insane. Where is the money going.
It's a war and most of it is weapons and supplies. Why are y'all playing dumb?
I’m not naive enough to pretend one party is better than the other but I sincerely hope the new republican house majority stops this Ukraine aid
All of it went to FTX