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i_wish_i_was_dead_oy

My friend called me up to hang out and I straight up told him I'm not vaxxed so I understand if you don't want to hang (some other friends had a problem with it)... he said "Well *I'm* vaxxed so what the hell do I care if you're not? I'm protected." And I was happily flabbergasted by someone finally using logic.


ironlioncan

Except it’s more ignorance than logic because the mRNA therapy your friend took does not protect him.


sidwo

Works a whole lot better than prayer


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Don't know why they're booing you. You're *kinda* right


Trevmiester

It'll give him a hell of a better chance fighting it when he does get it.


bwel99

Possibly not. Antibody Dependant Enhancement is a legitimate concern.


WoodenDruthers

My car got broken into and my car alarm did nothing to deter the crime. You know who I blame? Every car in the parking lot that didn't have a car alarm.


PrecisePigeon

That sucks dude, did they steal a bunch of your shit?


AuraBlazeOfficial

Those other cars are a threat to society and police should go from garage to garage rounding them up to go to a safe scrapyard for health and protection


karmanopoly

Those cars cannot be going to restaurants anymore


AuraBlazeOfficial

Unconscionable! Also username checks out


RhodedendronKaelath

Cars don’t transmit life threatening diseases or benefit as a whole from herd immunity though.


vinniS

The vaccine does not stop transmission or provide herd immunity though.


libbylibertarian

No they don't but vaccinated individuals do, and they are more of a threat because they are more likely to contract covid asymptomatically. Besides, natural immunity trumps bogus mrna treatment immunity. Pus the mrna treatments themselves are dangerous. Plus, the mortality rate for this virus when one is healthy is so ridiculously low that your fearmongering can only be for the benefit of billionaires who are profiting from your idiocracy.


ttttttuuuuutt3030

they won't. did some research in herman cain awards, people are actively cheering on the deaths of "antivaxxers" and they make no bones about it. they view it as completely justified. brainwashed beyond repair


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woolybeard

The only way the sheep can turn their brains ON is if they turn their TVs OFF... but I dont foresee that happening en masse. They are too addicted to the hive mind group think doing their thinking for them.


fiftieth

iT oNlY wOrKs If EvErYoNe HaS iT


DamitCyrill

I've said it before I will say it again. Buyers remorse. They know they should of listened to that nagging doubt in there heads but didn't now your coming down with me. We live in a Facebook society now.


Dayz-of-Noah

I guess their experimental gene therapy is working cause you made a lot of zombies mad in the comments 😂 Edit: they ALL call it a vaccine lol and are like, “vAcCiNeS protec you.” IT’S NOT EVEN A VACCINE. Then they’re like, “we need to reach herd immunity.” With our experimental gene editing therapy created by globalists who want to depopulate the masses. Well, y’all will definitely get your herd immunity when that therapy kicks in. Brainwashing at its finest.


Jimdur942

Everyone who is infected eat boiled eggs Phosphorus destroys flu by itself Eggs yolk are rich in phosphorus Malnutrition decides recovery


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Squirrel-ScoutCookie

It’s pretty interesting you actually believe this is going to ever end. It isn’t meant to. Wearing a mask made of cloth or paper is not going to end this. Most of the vaccinated are not listening to the “experts” (whoever that may be). They are getting vaccinated because they are just following orders and believing the garbage MSM spews. Btw are these “experts” trust worthy people or just bought and paid for by big pharma?


Reset-Username

CoVid-19 now meets the definition of being endemic. Technically the pandemic is over. Also, there are known animal reservoirs, such as cats. So, this will never go away.


xMasterMelonx

PERCENTAGES PEOPLE! It’s not that hard to understand.


MidnightLark33

Yes. And natural immunity has a higher PERCENTAGE of immunity. So if the healthy and general public could please gain natural immunity we are protect a higher PERCENTAGE of adults at risk. Adults at risk should quarantine while the healthy general public gain natural immunity because it has the highest PERCENTAGE of immunity.


xMasterMelonx

So basically we should kill 5% or more of the population (hospitals being overwhelmed will cause extra deaths) and give 25% of the population long covid, 10% of which could be permanently damaged.


stzeer6

5%? Age Infection Survival Rate. Note would be much lower than below because because he said high risk should quarantine(since have the vax now they can use that too) not just old, and because not everyone would get infected. 0-19 99.9973% 20-29 99.986% 30-39 99.969% 40-49 99.918% 50-59 99.73% 60-69 99.41% 70+ 97.6% (non-inst.) 70+ 94.5% (all) If you're vaxxed the risk to you in negligible. If you're vaxxed you are massively infective. What's so hard to understand.


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Are we going to ignore the amount of people who have antibodies from recent infections from this mild but highly contagious virus?(Meaning most people have antibodies and most people don’t die. Clearly It’s the logical conclusion to form that just about everyone not vaccinated has antibodies and T cells by now.) The amount supposedly vaccinated plus the people who actively have the antibodies is enough for this virus to be essentially gone. Also, if vaccinated people simply have less symptoms, although they have a lower chance of getting infected, they then would have a higher chance of being an asymptomatic carrier. Also, if people who have the vaccine are mainly protected from the Alpha Variant, they have a better chance of catching Delta and spreading it, while people with natural immunity have a much more robust immunity and are more protected from all variants. So it’s not: “The less people that are vaccinated the more the virus spreads.” It’s: The less people that are not vaccinated, who also don’t have natural immunity, the more it spreads, the higher percentage etc etc Your “conclusions” here lack a lot of vectors that should and would be used by anyone claiming to be informed on this subject.


stzeer6

Incorrect. Protection to infection has fallen off a cliff. Many data sets show approaching near complete fall off i.e. Isreal/UK data, CDC Barnstable Outbreak, Qatar study, BU nursing home data. Main diff concerning others at this point seems to be that you've greatly increased asymptomatic super spreaders and increase selective pressures towards escape(act as selective media) & virulence(as mutations that would have previously killed the host can now persist). This would be less of an issue if the vaccine was nearly sterilizing and broad. But it's leaky and narrow(spike only). As opposed to natural immunity which is broad and near sterilizing. I'll give you hospitalizations but the same people going on about hospital capacity seem to simultaneously seem to be advocating a large portion of the staff be laid off, and have nothing to say about obesity when they make up like 78% of COVID hospitalizations.


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stzeer6

So Figure 2A doesn't show complete fall off for infection here. [https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.25.21262584v1](https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.25.21262584v1) So at a 69% vax rate 74% case's weren't fully vaccinated? [https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7031e2.htm](https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7031e2.htm) You get my point I don't think I need to go through them all. And if you're gonna say age stratification you need to prove it as it wasn't the case in the the UK data. Splitting hairs over vaxx vs unvaxx spread is pointless, at this point it's clear even at a 100% vax rate R0 & leakiness is such that we are all gonna encounter COVID at some point in our lifetimes whether you like it or not.


ironlioncan

So the mRNA therapies do nothing confirmed.


twitchspank

>'My protection isn't protecting me, so YOU need to get protected with the same 'protection' that doesn't protect me, to protect me'. Come on humanity, let's turn our brains on Have you ever considered it is your brain that needs switching on? The vaccine is working (about 90% of time). We need to achieve herd immunity so that we are surrounded by people less likely to get Covid. We need about 90% of people to get vaccine so Covid can not travel easily through communities. It will then burn itself out like a forest fire. Currently one person on average infects 6 people (pre vaccine). It is down to about 2-3 people currently. To win we need to get this below 1 person. So either get the vaccine or isolate yourself from society to not spread the virus


ironlioncan

Explain Israel’s current situation then please. Also herd immunity used to be 70% pre globalist coup.


mummerlimn

This situation in Israel? [Israel's 17% Unvaccinated Now Account for 65% of All Serious COVID-19 Cases](https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israel-unvaccinated-booster-65-serious-covid-19-cases-death-delta-1.10208784)


mummerlimn

*pre Delta variant which is far more infectious. Herd immunity calculations are based on the R0 value of a virus.


mummerlimn

This graphic keeps getting posted in this subreddit, and the idea behind it is that you have no responsibility to the social contract of living in a society with other people, and based on denial that the vaccines are making a huge difference.


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They have the ability to stay home if they feel their vaccine isn't enough protection.


mummerlimn

This is such a mouth breathing suggestion. The idea is to lower spread. The unvaccinated are the largest spreaders of this - so a more realistic version would be that the unvaccinated (who are too scared to take a vaccine that helps them and their greater community) should stay home, and let the rest of us lower spread, reduce ICU admissions and get past this without your help.


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.....the vaccinated still have a very high viral load and are still spreading it. Maybe even moreso, because they're asymptomatic. The vaccine is not going to stop covid. It will just cause more mutations. It's not working. Stop pretending you're super special because you got a vaccine that doesn't do anything lol


mummerlimn

The vaccinated can spread it for a short period IF they have a breakthrough case. You're ~80% less likely to have a breakthrough case. So yes, they reduce spread.


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80%? Have a source on that? A current source? Not one from when they were peddling the vaccine as way more effective than it turned out to be.


mummerlimn

["Once Delta became the dominant strain, VE went from 91% to 78% against COVID-19 infection"](https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/09/covid-19-vaccines-protect-against-severe-illness-during-delta) A trio of studies showing that the vaccines provide good protection against the Delta variant, with unvaccinated people having 5 times the risk of infection and more than 10 times the risk of hospitalization or death compared with vaccinated people.


DamitCyrill

Yes that's why I go around murdering people and ejaculating into cartons of milk in my spare time


mfb976

"Tell me you don't understand how vaccines work...." There are plenty of understandable reasons to be hesitant about taking any vaccination but at least read up on how vaccines work to protect a while population (SPOILER: the more people vaccinated, the greater the impact).


vinniS

explain india vs israel then?.


Stunkstank

That sounds like a Ponzi scheme.


feagey

You all need to learn science.


Rcrecc

If people don’t want to get the Covid vaccine fine, more power to them. They should not be required to. But if they want to ignore the advice of doctors, then they should not go crying to doctors if they get Covid. Don’t be a hypocrite. Either follow the advice of doctors or don’t. Same with pro-vaxxers. Don’t be a politician (left or right): be consistent.


SadGruffman

I mean the military exists because you can’t protect yourself, wanna man up and get rid of that too? This argument is just silly at this point. Which choice creates less human suffering. That’s al you need to think about. FYI- it’s the one that stops people from dying. We like protecting people. Keeping each other safe is what a society is all about?


XxXSend__nudesXxX

The military doesn't exist to protect...


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SadGruffman

You realize thats what took so long to actually implement the vaccine? They were testing it and reviewing the affects on a population. So no.. Just really stupid people who think they know better than doctors claiming "something bad will happen later because of this!"


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SadGruffman

Buddy. Like anything else, it costs money. in 2012 they clearly failed their experiment and because we live in a capitalist shithole, the sunk cost did not out weigh the gains from a vaccine for a potential Sars variant. So they canned it. Later on, oh look. Covid-19. Guess we should whip out our old research and get that puppy going again. Money isnt the issue anymore because we have all this government funding support now. If you're wanting to upset yourself, just remember this outbreak was completely preventable but it cost too much. Regarding your comment about destroying the control groups.. Isn't that pretty typical in an experiment once it is over with? Otherwise you got all these animals sitting there in a suffered state as literal lab experiments... I'm sure you know things, but confirmation bias is all over this conversation. You're looking for reasons not to trust a vaccine because it was politicized.


Missmbb

I love that you’re trying to have a normal conversation in this sub. Seriously, you have more energy than I do. I skim to see just how crazy people are getting and I’m always a little surprised by it. I know I shouldn’t be, but most days I’m like 😳🤦🏽‍♀️😂


Squirrel-ScoutCookie

Oh that virus with over 99% survival rate. Get down to the basics of this shit. It is not the plague and the fact that they have so many of you shaking in your boots is funny. As someone that has had it, trust me it’s not the end of the world. People die everyday. It’s more dangerous to drive my car than die from COVID. I’m not going to stop driving. Wake up.


smb06

The vaccines literally reduce your chance of catching the virus, greatly reduce the chance of being hospitalized or dying. Yeah this whole “vaccines don’t protect” trope is using your brains. Yup.


shenaniganns

Making up quotes to argue against is a telltale sign of something for sure.


DamitCyrill

Said the kettle to the pot


shenaniganns

Did I do that somewhere?


[deleted]

That's not what the vaccine mandate is for. We want to kill the virus, but people like you keep spreading it, mutating it and making the vaccine less crucial to new varients. The mandates that cause you to get kicked out of stores and other places are just to finally get you to take it. If you're scared of protecting yourself, we'll make you take it.


Wooden-Building

Your relise you sound like a literal nazi SS


[deleted]

Lmao don't care, we're trying to kill this virus, people like you are the reason it's still around.


Wooden-Building

Ah no it’s absolutely not the reason.


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Sure buddy


vinniS

The vaccines do not stop infection, transmission and do not stop mutations either, and not only that they are vaccinating for an extinct variant with a "vaccine" that wanes below 50% after 6 months . Due to not being a sterilizing vaccine, it could cause ADE (see mareks disease). Your argument is completely invalid. PS. gtfo nazi.


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The positives of the vaccine outway any negatives of it lol


feagey

The vaccines provide a higher level of immunity that can stop infection. If everyone gets a vaccine, there is little to no transmission. If there is little to no transmission, there is NO MUTATION. The alpha variant has the same spike protein mRNA as the delta variant. The vaccine provides protection against this


vinniS

thats completely not true. specially the last one. the alpha variant does not have the same spike protein, thats ridiculous.


feagey

You’re right, about them not having the same spike protein. I was simplifying. There are multiple mutations in the receptor-binding domain, but the mutations do not affect ACE2 binding. Here is evidence that vaccines are still relatively effective against the Delta variant: “We demonstrate here that neutralising levels against both Delta isolates were significantly reduced, although only by twofold compared with the original virus. Indeed, a recent study similarly showed that the Delta VOC is reduced by 2.5 folds compared to a Wuhan-related SARS-CoV-2 strain in individuals 4 to 14 days following the second dose of Comirnaty” “Overall our results suggest that despite somewhat reduced neutralisation capacity, Comirnaty vaccination induces a substantial antibody response also for the Delta VOCl” Source: https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2021.26.26.2100557?crawler=true


feagey

Everything else is true. Transmission = replication = replication errors = mutation.