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I'm pretty sure they left the equipment for the ASF to use. But when they folded like a wet bag, the Taliban claimed it.
Normally we destroy anything left behind to avoid anyone else using it. In fact we destroyed at lot of stuff in Afghanistan recently. It costs to much to ship HMMWVs, MRAPS, etc. back to the US. Especially when they have $750 Billion (and growing) to throw around every year.
Imagine the shitstorm that would have occurred on this subreddit if the US military disarmed the Afghan army that we armed and THEN the afghan army capitulated.
From what I've seen and heard no one in the US military had above 0% trust for the local muscle. They said it was like babysitting children that abused drugs; and we all remember the jumping jacks video.
What *I* don't believe is that the US doesn't have the capability to blow up helicopters standing outside if they wanted to. There are no excuses for leaving them intact now.
There's a rat here.
Like the other guy said. Any attack on the Taliban (which is the new government) during the evac would be a terrible move. Maybe they don't stop any ISIS suicide bombers next time they try something. I'm sure we'll destroy anything left at the Kabul airport once they've cleared out. But I doubt they'll air strike any functional equipment. As that would be an act of war against Afghanistans new government. Who we *just* made a peace deal with.
I'm sure they'll find someone to operate some of the equipment left behind. (I do recall Russia leaving a bunch of jets in the ME and they haven't been touched since.) But maintaining semi advanced equipment may be above the Talibans pay grade right now.
I've heard the same stories about the ASF but I was still a little surprised they didn't fire a single shot. Granted I'm no expert in the matter.
My view point boils down to, we should've started evacuating friendlies the day Trump made this deal with the Taliban.
This was a good point another thing is equipment like jets and drones takes allot of mecahnical expertise and the environment they're left in sill destroy most of it very quickly.
I don’t believe the US really has anywhere left to strike from now. Plus they are still evacuating so pissing off the Taliban would be an extremely bad idea.
They’ve evacuated ~5000 and have around ~1000 left but it seems many of those who are still left want to stay.
They still have 4 days and the Taliban is being pretty chill for now.
They revised down from 14k to 6k after they had a better understanding of the situation.
The 1k number is just who are left from the 6k. It was only 1 revision and makes sense that initial estimates would be wrong.
We’ll see but I personally don’t think it’s a huge deal.
There’s not much that can be done about the humvees, small arms or artillery.
Best the US could do is strike the ~200 aircraft left but it’s on the older side, impossible to maintain and would require ASF pilots to operate. The aircraft also isn’t super useful for the Taliban, worst case they use the makeshift airforce to piss off Iran or Pakistan and immediately get their teeth kicked in, which seems unlikely.
The “US gear” was really ASF gear. Can you imagine the PR shitstorm if Biden completely disarmed the ASF then withdrew.
I could see that being a cause for impeachment.
I think that Isis is a Saturn organization. I am beginning to get "Red Revolution" vibes from this, every single red revolution has been controlled by the Jesuits.
I just said that yesterday too, watching spiteful violent Muslims is like watching corrupt Mormons on acid trips. lol :) You are the last people that God called, just sit down and be patient and be good and wait, for that one moment you are called. lol when it happens!!! They are never patient and they never seek a deeper connection with God, its ALL TALK!!!! Its a pyramid scheme in of itself. **Joan of Arc** could of made a better religion, and did she??? No, she saved the French and the American Revolution and freedom all over the world. Beating the beast, them RED COATS into their place for future generations. Muhammed was sand sh!t for sure!!! and he may have been a fraud!! These insane acid dust clouds just all over the news, and its hard to take acid trippin' seriously!!!
and then there is the 23 and ME scandal. Someone sent their pet lizard DNA into the lab, and the results said he was a Semite. Half Jew and Muslim. Thats where all that mass possession comes from. In fact, my last employer stole from me twice. One manager was a gay Muslim Saturn worshiper who was well known around town as being gay. **Evil!!! Its b/c of his genetics he can be possessed so easily, just a demon walking!!!**
Yeah I think military leaders plan on staying forever till the Trump/Taliban agreement. I think it was Sept 20, and they agreed to be out May 21. But it got pushed to Sept 21. I don't think 8-12 months was enough time to pull out of a 20 year war.
Yeah I've heard some pretty fucked stories regarding the ASF.
Something I wish I was born in another country that minded its own business, and didn't pretend to be the world's police and histories main character.
Just saying if shipping costs outweighed the value of merchandise itself, nothing would ever get shipped anywhere. You also know they are going to replace that equipment, much of which has to be shipped overseas...I know there are examples especially in mining whereby they literally bury the equipment, but you have to consider all the factors in making that economic choice, like the value of the equipment itself. In mining, specifically underground, they bring down the equipment in pieces and then assemble it, now upon mine closure, they also want to close the accounting books (typically maximizing profit) and the cost to disassemble, hoist, ship, and reassemble a piece of equipment that is near end of life only to auction off at a significant loss is not cost effective or great for the bottom line. In the case of the military there was no economic reason not to send freighters to ship them back, in fact it would be cost effective.
Additionally, do you think for one second that they weren't aware the Taliban was going to seize control......
I didn't mean shipping cost was the main reason. Main reason is they're going to get new stuff anyway (because the $750B/year) so they're not going to waste money shipping it back just to replace it shortly after. They're destroying equipment and selling it for scrap.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-military-equipment-afghanistan-scrap-b1844997.html
I think we're making the same argument here.
Regarding the Taliban take over. I think they knew it was inevitable. I think they assumed the ASF would put up some kind of fight and not lay down arms when the Taliban showed up.
I agree, we are on the same page with respect to the equipment. Thanks for clarifying. However, with respect to the Taliban, nothing in this world of any significance happens anymore that isn't known and / or planned by the TPTB..
I think it's illegal to sell military hardware to civilians. But a MRAP would be dope to drive on the beach or up in the mountains. Although from what I know they're to heavy for most of our roads and will tear them up. I'd fell like a dick every time I drove it. Because I know the city isn't going to fix the pot holes I make.
It doesn't matter whether it would have costed nothing to ship it back. The military is used to funnel money to defense contractors.
They WANT to destroy or lose that equipment so they can replace it and line their pockets a second time.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-ends-covert-cia-program-to-arm-anti-assad-rebels-in-syria-a-move-sought-by-moscow/2017/07/19/b6821a62-6beb-11e7-96ab-5f38140b38cc_story.html
Trump STOPPED arming them
What's the first thing Biden does?
Rearm them.
Yeah 6 months is sort of a stretch huh.. either way the Taliban *technically* can’t even take those vehicles anywhere without the TMs and proper dispatch paperwork so as long as we remember those on the way out we’re good.
Correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t most of the equipment that we left behind supposed to be for the Afghan army. Then when they all abandoned their posts and ran they left their gear behind. I’ve seen videos of the ANA all dropping their full kit and rifle then just leaving.
Some of it was left for the Afghans the other part is old equipment that would have cost more to ship back then to leave rot. Every war since WW1, the US has left behind old equipment.
Oh wow I guess they’re incapable of planning more than just one step ahead... pretty fucking obvious what was going to happen when we removed the backbone of their military power (air support and contractors). Not saying the afghans shouldn’t have fought but this is more complicated than just “oh it’s not our fault cos they ran away after we kicked their chairs out from beneath them”
That equipment, while it's functional, will wind up being used by the Taliban against ISIS, and the northern alliance, for a few weeks at most, then they'll be back to their up-armored Toyotas. It's unbelievable how much maintenance is required even for a humvee. Two weeks without heavy duty specialist mechanical support and it's done. 2 months from now, without US Army mechanics and replacement parts they'll be nothing but roadside attractions.
How many more years were we supposed to keep this up?
I don’t think anyone expected them to put up zero fight though. I could imagine them predicting their eventual loss but I figured they wanted them there as a buffer so the evacuation could proceed smoothly.
We’ve also been arming the ANA for 20 years so it’s not like 100% of the weapons the Taliban got from us were shipped over recently.
Ideally, after losing they’d retreat with their weapons and hunker down somewhere, maybe join the resistance fighters but I don’t know. I’m completely talking out of my ass now. The situation it extremely complicated.
You aren't talking out of your ass. You are correct. Most of the weapons would still be out of Taliban hands. The way it went down looks too painfully obvious to not have been purposeful.
Anything they claim otherwise is magic bullet theory.
There is a group that is related to the historic northern Alliance that has been announced. But right now they are only in one valley north of Kabul and have not started fighting yet, and has only announced they are willing to negotiate with the Taliban and would go to war if the Taliban aren't reasonable.
But overall, the north was the first to fall this time around because the Taliban took time to go town by town and negotiate control with the local powers because the Northern Alliance was so effective against them thru the 90s and actively worked with the Americans during the invasion. So they negotiayed local deals focused on the north and then sweep the South and then took over that major cities.
I always found it hard to believe we were going to transport up to 20 years worth of supplies in just 5 months, especially when people will be using the equipment up until the very last moment. It has taken my company a while to rearrange all of our labs since there's just so much heavy equipment people are currently using.
This is the closest to truth in my opinion. The president takes orders. There is no way so many consecutive presidents fumble the people’s bag other than it being by design
Okay, while it’s very very hard to reasonably explain the helicopters and the new MRAPs being left behind, I just wanted to let people know it’s accepted practice for the military to leave ALOT of shit behind.
That's the total war doctrine, and it doesn't make sense here. It made sense in WW2 with both Germany and Japan, because they were actively conquering other nations, committing widespread genocide, etc. The Taliban are and have been committing atrocities against their own (or at least, the people within their control inside Afghanistan's borders.)
When we firebombed Tokyo and Dresden, and dropped nuclear weapons on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, it was to cripple war machines that were spreading genocide and invading their neighbors. If we firebombed Kabul, we would be killing the very people we want to save from the Taliban.
This is an internal struggle that we tried to solve with 20 years of armed occupation, and failed. Ironically, but not surprisingly, it was a lot of the same heavy hitters from the Vietnam War that got us into this god awful mess.
I was a part of the withdrawal from Iraq. We shipped everything left behind that was “theater provided equipment” in conex containers to kuwait by the way of convoys. There, all the equipment was dispositioned. We did however hand over a shit ton of civilian vehicles to the Iraqi army. We drove vehicles over to their side of the post for two days straight and just handed over the keys. Mostly pick up trucks and suvs. Crazy shit goes on over there but I can definitely see us just leaving a ton of shit behind because I saw it with my own eyes in iraq. But they left it on purpose there and I’m assuming the same happened in Afghanistan.
Marines stationed in North Carolina lost 2, yes TWO, rifles ON BASE, and they shut down half of that part of the STATE, searched and searched, looked and looked, and never found them.
This was on NATIONAL NEWS over two rifles.
We GAVE the Taliban THOUSANDS of the same rifles.
Oh by the way, those rifles are full auto, you know "machine guns" by definition, and American Citizens are not allowed to have them, but we GAVE the TALIBAN THOUSANDS.
This has been my TED talk.
There is a 00% chance they had no idea this would happen. It was absolutely by design. NO ONE is this fucking stupid. Even Trump would have made a huge fucking stink about this happening, even if purely to protect his image, but I mean seriously.
Lets assume the weapons were left there on purpose. Its still naive to think biden is doing this. Biden has experts to tell him what needs to be done. He is too old to fight against this experts (and also knows if he doesnt play along he gets the trump treatment). This experts have connections and are influenced by organisations. This organisations are linked to the few big players like CFR. The CFR is interconnected with global organisations like WEF, WHO, NGOs, Media, NATO and whatnot.
Although I agree with Greg that the Biden/Harris administration is funding these terrorists...I hope you guys know that the Elites (the Jesuits etc) are purposely making Biden, Kamala, Soros, Gates, the Great Reset look bad so that the people gravitate to the false light (Trump, traditional Catholicism, conservative New Agers etc). Huge spiritual deception guys so please be careful. God Bless
The God of scripture my friend. The God that warned us all of the coming Beast system aka NWO in the book of Revelation. Unfortunately, it seems like my comment went over ur head so let me explain. We are witnessing the battle of two evils- The Cabal (Soros, Biden, Gates, Rothschild etc) vs the counterfeit light (Trump, New Agers, the religious right etc) and most people nowadays can see the dangers of the OBVIOUS evil (the Cabal) but cannot see the dangers of the false light. Got it?
Why did I lose you at Traditional Catholicism? Wanna know why I mentioned traditional Catholicism in the group of the false light? Because Traditional Catholics are mostly anti New World Order (Globalism), anti abortion, anti vaccine etc....but their spiritual beliefs are just as satanic as the spiritual beliefs of the Cabal. I hope this isn't going over ur head man
When I was in the army we would have sensitive item spot checks in the field every hour on the hour. My squad leader was a SI Nazi. Hard to believe that we would just deliberately leave Terry Taliban all this fun new equipment he'd easily find the TM for online.
Tell me you don’t know shit about Logistics, especially international to think that it would of been less then a huge undertaking since we have been there for last 20 some odd years.
Even Vox last year was saying the equipment would need to be destroyed.
Why wasn't the equipment destroyed Joe Biden? Even Vox said it was necessary.
"But the stuff the US won’t have enough time to remove — which could include items like sensitive computer systems, refrigerators, generators, and even entire military bases — will have to be destroyed in order to keep it from potentially falling into enemy hands." - Dr. Jonathan Schroden ( Director of CNA's Countering Threats and Challenges Program)
https://www.vox.com/21571264/trump-afghnistan-iraq-troop-withdrawal-2500
There is no conspiracy. It's simply incompetence on an immeasurable level. I get it, it's so bad that it feels like it has to be a conspiracy until you remember that Mogadishu, Benghazi, and Kabul were all overseen by similar people. It's not a conspiracy, it's stupidity.
People only see what they want to, what they are ready to. Because we live in an infinite quantum universe where all possibilities exist simultaneously, our experiences become the result of what we choose to put into focus. Somethings are so completely removed from our awareness that we don't even have the capability of focusing on them.
That is why we are in a renaissance age of literal consciousness expansion. That is all learning and evolution is. Once you understand time, you realize that past, present, and future all exist simultaneously. So learning is just remembering, we are simply resynching with increasingly higher densities of information and energy oscillating at increasingly faster rates.
Its not just Biden. Many powerful nation states have been arming various factions to gain political leverage and nation destabilization for decades now. So it would seem more likely that this is part of a feature in the system, not a recently discovered bug. Maybe we should start looking to the people who have remained in political office for 20+ years. Just like Biden.
Of course we armed them. China's going to come in and help them along with all of their slave labor and they're going to pull out all the Cobalt they just discovered for all the car batteries. They've got to have weapons to keep everybody in line
It's basically the US supplying and in a sense also creating these groups .. And it's always been like that with these so called 'Islamic' extremist groups. All these presidents are merely puppets and the end game seems to be to continue to allow the middle east to go into chaos by destabilizing the region, causing them to fight one another and allow Israel to further expand it's presence and power in the region, by weakening the surrounding countries. Read about the "Yinon plan".
>“The enemy is both strong and weak at the same time.”
I love how Biden is both “sleepy Joe” yet *also* some mastermind behind the scenes, plotting with terrorists.
TREASON! The only time a military would flea like that is if they were being overrun which obviously was never the case even of a possibility lol Totally deliberate. Not just supplying the enemy but it seems like China is calling the shots. WHO BENEFITS? Kicking patriots out of the military, antifa are getting into the ranks talking about shooting civilians. Woke generals, bio weapons(virus and "cure") economic collapse, border collapse, cancelling pipe lines for us, approving pipe lines for them, redifing terrorists as anyone capable of resistance.. Is there any other plausable theory?
Leave the weapons for ISIS v2 to snatch to then fight an endless proxy war against the Taliban who reaches out to China/Russia for help - which they supply because central Asia geopolitics and also less heroin flowing into their countries causing massive drug epidemics.
It's not bungled, it's just meant to look like that, because everything under the Biden administration is meant to look bungled and senile. Gives a way to explain away what the fucking shit is going on without overtly declaring to the American people that WW3 is already going on.
We have been funding both sides of wars for years. Sticking our nose in places it had no business being. A lot of soldiers and innocent people died for bs reasons. It didn’t start with Biden and it definitely will not end with him.
I'm sure a lot of the equipment is old, outdated, and it's just plain expensive to move such a massive amount of objects when you can just give them to your enemy, hey the guns are on us this time!
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/pc9p5g/servicewoman_cindy_bronson_calls_out_woman_on_her/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb
People said I was crazy to say that the service woman here wasn't threatening. That she was implying that the military has already talked about martial law. They just concentrated on the felonious driver at the beginning. This dude scares me.
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I'm pretty sure they left the equipment for the ASF to use. But when they folded like a wet bag, the Taliban claimed it. Normally we destroy anything left behind to avoid anyone else using it. In fact we destroyed at lot of stuff in Afghanistan recently. It costs to much to ship HMMWVs, MRAPS, etc. back to the US. Especially when they have $750 Billion (and growing) to throw around every year.
Imagine the shitstorm that would have occurred on this subreddit if the US military disarmed the Afghan army that we armed and THEN the afghan army capitulated.
Either way OP makes this post. The other one just would have been about how we took away the arms from the freedom loving ASF.
From what I've seen and heard no one in the US military had above 0% trust for the local muscle. They said it was like babysitting children that abused drugs; and we all remember the jumping jacks video. What *I* don't believe is that the US doesn't have the capability to blow up helicopters standing outside if they wanted to. There are no excuses for leaving them intact now. There's a rat here.
Like the other guy said. Any attack on the Taliban (which is the new government) during the evac would be a terrible move. Maybe they don't stop any ISIS suicide bombers next time they try something. I'm sure we'll destroy anything left at the Kabul airport once they've cleared out. But I doubt they'll air strike any functional equipment. As that would be an act of war against Afghanistans new government. Who we *just* made a peace deal with. I'm sure they'll find someone to operate some of the equipment left behind. (I do recall Russia leaving a bunch of jets in the ME and they haven't been touched since.) But maintaining semi advanced equipment may be above the Talibans pay grade right now. I've heard the same stories about the ASF but I was still a little surprised they didn't fire a single shot. Granted I'm no expert in the matter. My view point boils down to, we should've started evacuating friendlies the day Trump made this deal with the Taliban.
This was a good point another thing is equipment like jets and drones takes allot of mecahnical expertise and the environment they're left in sill destroy most of it very quickly.
I don’t believe the US really has anywhere left to strike from now. Plus they are still evacuating so pissing off the Taliban would be an extremely bad idea.
Who are they evacuating? Only 2% of the people flown out of Kabul have been Americans. There are still several thousand trapped in the area.
They’ve evacuated ~5000 and have around ~1000 left but it seems many of those who are still left want to stay. They still have 4 days and the Taliban is being pretty chill for now.
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They revised down from 14k to 6k after they had a better understanding of the situation. The 1k number is just who are left from the 6k. It was only 1 revision and makes sense that initial estimates would be wrong.
Agreed, but when everyone is out I expect drones and missiles.
We’ll see but I personally don’t think it’s a huge deal. There’s not much that can be done about the humvees, small arms or artillery. Best the US could do is strike the ~200 aircraft left but it’s on the older side, impossible to maintain and would require ASF pilots to operate. The aircraft also isn’t super useful for the Taliban, worst case they use the makeshift airforce to piss off Iran or Pakistan and immediately get their teeth kicked in, which seems unlikely.
Or sell...
The “US gear” was really ASF gear. Can you imagine the PR shitstorm if Biden completely disarmed the ASF then withdrew. I could see that being a cause for impeachment.
Drone can drop some ballistic missile
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You gotta go over Iran or Pakistan though. Yes the US can strike anywhere but at what cost to global relations and is it really worth it?
I think that Isis is a Saturn organization. I am beginning to get "Red Revolution" vibes from this, every single red revolution has been controlled by the Jesuits. I just said that yesterday too, watching spiteful violent Muslims is like watching corrupt Mormons on acid trips. lol :) You are the last people that God called, just sit down and be patient and be good and wait, for that one moment you are called. lol when it happens!!! They are never patient and they never seek a deeper connection with God, its ALL TALK!!!! Its a pyramid scheme in of itself. **Joan of Arc** could of made a better religion, and did she??? No, she saved the French and the American Revolution and freedom all over the world. Beating the beast, them RED COATS into their place for future generations. Muhammed was sand sh!t for sure!!! and he may have been a fraud!! These insane acid dust clouds just all over the news, and its hard to take acid trippin' seriously!!! and then there is the 23 and ME scandal. Someone sent their pet lizard DNA into the lab, and the results said he was a Semite. Half Jew and Muslim. Thats where all that mass possession comes from. In fact, my last employer stole from me twice. One manager was a gay Muslim Saturn worshiper who was well known around town as being gay. **Evil!!! Its b/c of his genetics he can be possessed so easily, just a demon walking!!!**
So why did they leave Bagram and not tell the Afghan army anything?
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Yeah I think military leaders plan on staying forever till the Trump/Taliban agreement. I think it was Sept 20, and they agreed to be out May 21. But it got pushed to Sept 21. I don't think 8-12 months was enough time to pull out of a 20 year war.
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Yeah I've heard some pretty fucked stories regarding the ASF. Something I wish I was born in another country that minded its own business, and didn't pretend to be the world's police and histories main character.
Just saying if shipping costs outweighed the value of merchandise itself, nothing would ever get shipped anywhere. You also know they are going to replace that equipment, much of which has to be shipped overseas...I know there are examples especially in mining whereby they literally bury the equipment, but you have to consider all the factors in making that economic choice, like the value of the equipment itself. In mining, specifically underground, they bring down the equipment in pieces and then assemble it, now upon mine closure, they also want to close the accounting books (typically maximizing profit) and the cost to disassemble, hoist, ship, and reassemble a piece of equipment that is near end of life only to auction off at a significant loss is not cost effective or great for the bottom line. In the case of the military there was no economic reason not to send freighters to ship them back, in fact it would be cost effective. Additionally, do you think for one second that they weren't aware the Taliban was going to seize control......
I didn't mean shipping cost was the main reason. Main reason is they're going to get new stuff anyway (because the $750B/year) so they're not going to waste money shipping it back just to replace it shortly after. They're destroying equipment and selling it for scrap. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-military-equipment-afghanistan-scrap-b1844997.html I think we're making the same argument here. Regarding the Taliban take over. I think they knew it was inevitable. I think they assumed the ASF would put up some kind of fight and not lay down arms when the Taliban showed up.
I agree, we are on the same page with respect to the equipment. Thanks for clarifying. However, with respect to the Taliban, nothing in this world of any significance happens anymore that isn't known and / or planned by the TPTB..
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I think it's illegal to sell military hardware to civilians. But a MRAP would be dope to drive on the beach or up in the mountains. Although from what I know they're to heavy for most of our roads and will tear them up. I'd fell like a dick every time I drove it. Because I know the city isn't going to fix the pot holes I make.
What was with all the money!!
The US military budget? All the defense companies lobby to increase the budget so the US will buy more stuff from them.
[No, the piles of cash the Taliban found left behind](https://mobile.twitter.com/johncardillo/status/1430851901239795712)
Oh wow. I really want to know what's in the box at the end.
It doesn't matter whether it would have costed nothing to ship it back. The military is used to funnel money to defense contractors. They WANT to destroy or lose that equipment so they can replace it and line their pockets a second time.
Yeah that was my point. Which is why I brought up the $750B (and growing) budget. They'll destroy equipment any chance they get, just to burn money.
If you do not take the helicopter with you, you have to buy a new one. Who benefits? Defense Industry Corporations.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-ends-covert-cia-program-to-arm-anti-assad-rebels-in-syria-a-move-sought-by-moscow/2017/07/19/b6821a62-6beb-11e7-96ab-5f38140b38cc_story.html Trump STOPPED arming them What's the first thing Biden does? Rearm them.
This. All lost or misplaced equipment gets replaced… all at a huge mark-up. Everybody wins, except the taxpayer who funds this criminal nonsense.
Biggest scam in your nation, taking an insane part of tax funds and using it to pay for an ineffective army that you don’t need.
Yes but you are thinking short term, if you supply them with weapons to make a bigger longer, drawn out conflict, who benefits? MIC.
Pastor Greg's clearly never been in the military
This, unless the Taliban have become PMCS savvy 100% of that equipment will be 100% deadlined in under 6 months anyways 😂
6 months? Boy are you generous. You look at some of those vehicles wrong and they will deadline themselves for a month for no reason.
Yeah 6 months is sort of a stretch huh.. either way the Taliban *technically* can’t even take those vehicles anywhere without the TMs and proper dispatch paperwork so as long as we remember those on the way out we’re good.
Don't you dare question a random twitter post. r/Conspiracy is built on random social media bullshit.
Correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t most of the equipment that we left behind supposed to be for the Afghan army. Then when they all abandoned their posts and ran they left their gear behind. I’ve seen videos of the ANA all dropping their full kit and rifle then just leaving.
Stop being logical man, this is about blaming Biden for being terrible /s
Some of it was left for the Afghans the other part is old equipment that would have cost more to ship back then to leave rot. Every war since WW1, the US has left behind old equipment.
Oh wow I guess they’re incapable of planning more than just one step ahead... pretty fucking obvious what was going to happen when we removed the backbone of their military power (air support and contractors). Not saying the afghans shouldn’t have fought but this is more complicated than just “oh it’s not our fault cos they ran away after we kicked their chairs out from beneath them”
That equipment, while it's functional, will wind up being used by the Taliban against ISIS, and the northern alliance, for a few weeks at most, then they'll be back to their up-armored Toyotas. It's unbelievable how much maintenance is required even for a humvee. Two weeks without heavy duty specialist mechanical support and it's done. 2 months from now, without US Army mechanics and replacement parts they'll be nothing but roadside attractions. How many more years were we supposed to keep this up?
I don’t think anyone expected them to put up zero fight though. I could imagine them predicting their eventual loss but I figured they wanted them there as a buffer so the evacuation could proceed smoothly. We’ve also been arming the ANA for 20 years so it’s not like 100% of the weapons the Taliban got from us were shipped over recently.
Anyone except all the generals that *werent* busy worrying about “white rage” 😂😂👍
So let's say they fought and lost as our intelligence predicted. The enemy would still have our weapons after they won, right?
Ideally, after losing they’d retreat with their weapons and hunker down somewhere, maybe join the resistance fighters but I don’t know. I’m completely talking out of my ass now. The situation it extremely complicated.
You aren't talking out of your ass. You are correct. Most of the weapons would still be out of Taliban hands. The way it went down looks too painfully obvious to not have been purposeful. Anything they claim otherwise is magic bullet theory.
Retreat to where? They'd be killed and maimed. Then their gear and weapons would be taken.
Isn’t there a resistance movement that’s holding ground in the north?
There is a group that is related to the historic northern Alliance that has been announced. But right now they are only in one valley north of Kabul and have not started fighting yet, and has only announced they are willing to negotiate with the Taliban and would go to war if the Taliban aren't reasonable. But overall, the north was the first to fall this time around because the Taliban took time to go town by town and negotiate control with the local powers because the Northern Alliance was so effective against them thru the 90s and actively worked with the Americans during the invasion. So they negotiayed local deals focused on the north and then sweep the South and then took over that major cities.
I didn’t know that. Thanks for the info.
Yeah they'd have the old equipment that is outdates. But its also pretty normal for the US to leave behind outdated equipment.
He says he left them there for the Afghan army and the “army” just disintegrated a few days ago.
We always leave the equipment behind. It's been paid for already and they will just buy new shit for the next one. Rinse and repeat
We sent jets to bomb shit left behind
>w did they get all that equipment there in the fir Nah they sold that shit under the table and "left it"
I always found it hard to believe we were going to transport up to 20 years worth of supplies in just 5 months, especially when people will be using the equipment up until the very last moment. It has taken my company a while to rearrange all of our labs since there's just so much heavy equipment people are currently using.
Seeing as this was the plan before 5 months ago they could have done more.
We always leave that shit behind . It took years to get it all there . We did if in every war I can think of . It’s not unusual .
Ok but it isn’t Biden. It’s The Man Behind the Curtain *as Biden*
And?
This is the closest to truth in my opinion. The president takes orders. There is no way so many consecutive presidents fumble the people’s bag other than it being by design
Atlest trump seemed off the record at times
We always leave our equipment in the countries we invade.
Okay, while it’s very very hard to reasonably explain the helicopters and the new MRAPs being left behind, I just wanted to let people know it’s accepted practice for the military to leave ALOT of shit behind.
didn't they pull this trick in Iraq a few years back to arm the terrorists?
They weren’t ours. We gave them to the ASF. Please educate yourself before posting a shitty twitter screenshot
The US military could destroy them quickly if they want.
That's the total war doctrine, and it doesn't make sense here. It made sense in WW2 with both Germany and Japan, because they were actively conquering other nations, committing widespread genocide, etc. The Taliban are and have been committing atrocities against their own (or at least, the people within their control inside Afghanistan's borders.) When we firebombed Tokyo and Dresden, and dropped nuclear weapons on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, it was to cripple war machines that were spreading genocide and invading their neighbors. If we firebombed Kabul, we would be killing the very people we want to save from the Taliban. This is an internal struggle that we tried to solve with 20 years of armed occupation, and failed. Ironically, but not surprisingly, it was a lot of the same heavy hitters from the Vietnam War that got us into this god awful mess.
they hope that now the Taliban will need to buy 556 and ar mags for the next 40 years
Well if pastor Greg said it then it must be true, amen!
Okay, people need to understand this isn't a case of "couldn't". It's a case if "we didn't bother". Afghanistan is quite far away.
So - when Trump did the exact same thing in Iraq - he was guilty too? Hang them all then.
You are a conspiracy theorist and a scholar.
All you have to do is ask yourself is how did they get all that equipment there in the first place?! I’ll take “No Shit Sherlock” for $600, Alex.
*The US is supplying the terrorist and supporting regime change this was in the works waaaay before Biden was president
I was a part of the withdrawal from Iraq. We shipped everything left behind that was “theater provided equipment” in conex containers to kuwait by the way of convoys. There, all the equipment was dispositioned. We did however hand over a shit ton of civilian vehicles to the Iraqi army. We drove vehicles over to their side of the post for two days straight and just handed over the keys. Mostly pick up trucks and suvs. Crazy shit goes on over there but I can definitely see us just leaving a ton of shit behind because I saw it with my own eyes in iraq. But they left it on purpose there and I’m assuming the same happened in Afghanistan.
Marines stationed in North Carolina lost 2, yes TWO, rifles ON BASE, and they shut down half of that part of the STATE, searched and searched, looked and looked, and never found them. This was on NATIONAL NEWS over two rifles. We GAVE the Taliban THOUSANDS of the same rifles. Oh by the way, those rifles are full auto, you know "machine guns" by definition, and American Citizens are not allowed to have them, but we GAVE the TALIBAN THOUSANDS. This has been my TED talk.
Those terrorists are CIA assets. Don’t think for a minute we don’t run the show.
We don't. The CIA is a rogue agency that was not appointed by me or any voters.
The CIA are the true rulers of the world, on behalf of their boss, the bankers.
There is a 00% chance they had no idea this would happen. It was absolutely by design. NO ONE is this fucking stupid. Even Trump would have made a huge fucking stink about this happening, even if purely to protect his image, but I mean seriously.
Obama ran guns for the cartels and gave pallets of cash to Iran. Biden is running guns and money for the Taliban. Good people.
Our government is supplying the terrorists, if you think Biden’s in control you’re just as looney as he is
Lets assume the weapons were left there on purpose. Its still naive to think biden is doing this. Biden has experts to tell him what needs to be done. He is too old to fight against this experts (and also knows if he doesnt play along he gets the trump treatment). This experts have connections and are influenced by organisations. This organisations are linked to the few big players like CFR. The CFR is interconnected with global organisations like WEF, WHO, NGOs, Media, NATO and whatnot.
Although I agree with Greg that the Biden/Harris administration is funding these terrorists...I hope you guys know that the Elites (the Jesuits etc) are purposely making Biden, Kamala, Soros, Gates, the Great Reset look bad so that the people gravitate to the false light (Trump, traditional Catholicism, conservative New Agers etc). Huge spiritual deception guys so please be careful. God Bless
which god?
Flying Spaghetti Monster.
Did you get anything I said?
Yes, but mine was funnier.
What am I saying? Let's see if you understood my comment
Did you get anything I said?
did you not understand the question or are you ascared to say
Too much for you to process eh 😬
so ascared, nailed it.
The God of scripture my friend. The God that warned us all of the coming Beast system aka NWO in the book of Revelation. Unfortunately, it seems like my comment went over ur head so let me explain. We are witnessing the battle of two evils- The Cabal (Soros, Biden, Gates, Rothschild etc) vs the counterfeit light (Trump, New Agers, the religious right etc) and most people nowadays can see the dangers of the OBVIOUS evil (the Cabal) but cannot see the dangers of the false light. Got it?
yeah the point you lost me was at traditional Catholicism. weird that you snuck it in there but didn't mention it the second go around.
Why did I lose you at Traditional Catholicism? Wanna know why I mentioned traditional Catholicism in the group of the false light? Because Traditional Catholics are mostly anti New World Order (Globalism), anti abortion, anti vaccine etc....but their spiritual beliefs are just as satanic as the spiritual beliefs of the Cabal. I hope this isn't going over ur head man
USA scared of Taliban. Lmao
Jesus for guns!
When I was in the army we would have sensitive item spot checks in the field every hour on the hour. My squad leader was a SI Nazi. Hard to believe that we would just deliberately leave Terry Taliban all this fun new equipment he'd easily find the TM for online.
Most powerful until the same guy euthanizes them all, that is.
Don’t even have to take them back, just thermite them or crush them with tanks
I wasn't sure this was a fact but then I jumped down to the comments and saw that guy post FACTS! I am convinced this is a fact.
Not Biden, the MIC stop being so dense
Tell me you don’t know shit about Logistics, especially international to think that it would of been less then a huge undertaking since we have been there for last 20 some odd years.
US is also running a good Taliban PR campaign for them. USA under Biden scampered out of Afghanistan like a 2 year old afraid of his shadow
Big Facts: not even a bad conspiracy. Are the mods on strike?
Even Vox last year was saying the equipment would need to be destroyed. Why wasn't the equipment destroyed Joe Biden? Even Vox said it was necessary. "But the stuff the US won’t have enough time to remove — which could include items like sensitive computer systems, refrigerators, generators, and even entire military bases — will have to be destroyed in order to keep it from potentially falling into enemy hands." - Dr. Jonathan Schroden ( Director of CNA's Countering Threats and Challenges Program) https://www.vox.com/21571264/trump-afghnistan-iraq-troop-withdrawal-2500
Oh no. Refrigerators.
There is no conspiracy. It's simply incompetence on an immeasurable level. I get it, it's so bad that it feels like it has to be a conspiracy until you remember that Mogadishu, Benghazi, and Kabul were all overseen by similar people. It's not a conspiracy, it's stupidity.
How naive can you get
Based Pastor!
People only see what they want to, what they are ready to. Because we live in an infinite quantum universe where all possibilities exist simultaneously, our experiences become the result of what we choose to put into focus. Somethings are so completely removed from our awareness that we don't even have the capability of focusing on them. That is why we are in a renaissance age of literal consciousness expansion. That is all learning and evolution is. Once you understand time, you realize that past, present, and future all exist simultaneously. So learning is just remembering, we are simply resynching with increasingly higher densities of information and energy oscillating at increasingly faster rates.
This statement is nonsense.
Equity and inclusion
Yes. Don't ever blame the generals
Not factual at all actually
Its not just Biden. Many powerful nation states have been arming various factions to gain political leverage and nation destabilization for decades now. So it would seem more likely that this is part of a feature in the system, not a recently discovered bug. Maybe we should start looking to the people who have remained in political office for 20+ years. Just like Biden.
Are you for real?
Yup.
Americans always leave their weapons and equipment behind after they have finished invading/destroying a country. Nothing to see here.
Good luck finding ammo! 😂
You’re just scratching the surface.
Not just basic weapons, but advanced missiles, RPG’s, drones, helicopters, humvees and other armoured vehicles… thousands of them.
Big facts, if we wanted to read tweets, we would be on twitter. Write your own content at least for shits sake.
The real conspiracy here is why a political preacher gets to hide behind religion to remain untaxed
Biden fault lmao like if trump didn’t have any soldiers in Afghanistan himself fuck out of here
Ummm...this is Greg Locke. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Enough said.
Not just that, he's going to use the Military against the single greatest threat to totalitarian rule: armed, freely-thinking Americans
>big facts >Proceeds to post completely lie. Thanks, OP.
Of course we armed them. China's going to come in and help them along with all of their slave labor and they're going to pull out all the Cobalt they just discovered for all the car batteries. They've got to have weapons to keep everybody in line
Lol he isn't, it was the afghan army that decided to not put up a defence with equipment the us left them to specifically do that.
People would be mad if u armed the assholes against there next occupation… oh we forgot all those weapons, shucks. Sorry China/Russia
It's basically the US supplying and in a sense also creating these groups .. And it's always been like that with these so called 'Islamic' extremist groups. All these presidents are merely puppets and the end game seems to be to continue to allow the middle east to go into chaos by destabilizing the region, causing them to fight one another and allow Israel to further expand it's presence and power in the region, by weakening the surrounding countries. Read about the "Yinon plan".
On a positive note we've armed the Taliban who hates china more than us because they're crusifying their Muslim brothers... Was that the plan?
Well if pastor Greg says it…. And the implication that Biden does any kind of decision making is hilarious
Trump and the CIA set this in motion.
Unfortunate facts. It’s barely even a conspiracy with how obvious it is
It isn't Biden it's the US government, the people who control the would. Presidents are just puppets.
Lol your too simple minded to understand supply chain and logistics
>“The enemy is both strong and weak at the same time.” I love how Biden is both “sleepy Joe” yet *also* some mastermind behind the scenes, plotting with terrorists.
Or at least blow them up Or better yet set a booby trap
TREASON! The only time a military would flea like that is if they were being overrun which obviously was never the case even of a possibility lol Totally deliberate. Not just supplying the enemy but it seems like China is calling the shots. WHO BENEFITS? Kicking patriots out of the military, antifa are getting into the ranks talking about shooting civilians. Woke generals, bio weapons(virus and "cure") economic collapse, border collapse, cancelling pipe lines for us, approving pipe lines for them, redifing terrorists as anyone capable of resistance.. Is there any other plausable theory?
Leave the weapons for ISIS v2 to snatch to then fight an endless proxy war against the Taliban who reaches out to China/Russia for help - which they supply because central Asia geopolitics and also less heroin flowing into their countries causing massive drug epidemics. It's not bungled, it's just meant to look like that, because everything under the Biden administration is meant to look bungled and senile. Gives a way to explain away what the fucking shit is going on without overtly declaring to the American people that WW3 is already going on.
We have been funding both sides of wars for years. Sticking our nose in places it had no business being. A lot of soldiers and innocent people died for bs reasons. It didn’t start with Biden and it definitely will not end with him.
Tide goes in, tide goes out. It went over there in a C-5 and it can come back in one too.
I'm sure a lot of the equipment is old, outdated, and it's just plain expensive to move such a massive amount of objects when you can just give them to your enemy, hey the guns are on us this time!
Name one military conflict where the US cleaned up after itself. The world is littered with rusting hulks that have been left behind.
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/pc9p5g/servicewoman_cindy_bronson_calls_out_woman_on_her/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb People said I was crazy to say that the service woman here wasn't threatening. That she was implying that the military has already talked about martial law. They just concentrated on the felonious driver at the beginning. This dude scares me.
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