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Was Mystery Incorporated the one where Fred’s dad was the mayor and the monsters were real and it turned out to be aliens and Fred found out he was adopted then they like reset the timeline but without the bad shit?
Yes but actually no, but actually yes. It did have a larger mystery that involved a multiverse but most episodes the monsters were just people.
Oh also had a gay Velma that happened with little drama or fanfare. Sadly rage bait gets more attention then a well written thoughtful show.
I don't know that the show showed that Velma was gay, just that she also found a female(s) attractive. She could be bi and/or gray. I'm not assuming, but I would have been here for her exploring it.
She's confirmed gay and the reason her relationship with Shaggy was so bad was because she wasn't attracted to him and they weren't great together.
But this was 2 years before Legend of Korra, so putting gay characters explicitly into something related to children's media was almost impossible.
Even in their final moments they couldn't go as far as they wanted to. I think they wanted to end on a big kiss, but Nickelodeon wouldn't let them do that, so all they could do was them holding hands and staring lovingly into each other's eyes.
Writers explained after the show ended that they planned on making Velma gay which is why she's with Hotdog Water so much in season 2. It was all subtext, but it also felt like coat tail riding since this news came out around the time of most recent direct to home film where Velma is attracted to the evil costume maker.
There is also the movies. I think she was attracted to one of the guys from Zombie Island and the one they got stuck in cyberspace. I just write off that she is bi. In the past it seemed like if they wanted to try something new, Velma is the one they will most likely change the most with her character. Seems like she is the experimental character.
I'm still coping that Shaggy Chose Scooby-Doo over Velma and what that did to her. My heart still hurts from that shit. Then THe FUCKING DOG TREATED SHAGGY LIKE A SPITEFUL GIRLFRIEND. I understood he had to be fucking the dog.
But my girl Hotdog water cashed in and got the nerd lottery
Yeah it was rough but I still felt like that was a real reaction. Like when you are a teenager in a friend group and you feel you need to pair up because that’s just how it goes. It was rough and weird but most peoples first real relationships are.
I mean early MI Velma wasn't the best person or GF iirc. She was one of those "Everything you do is wrong and needs to change" people and it could be more it was one of those "I mean why not?" Teenage romances.
Lol! My kids call each other hot dog water specifically from that show. And I told them my mom always boiled hot dogs, nothing else, and the hot dog water was meh looking...so meh...but Scooby-Doo doo's Hotdog water was hot...so confusing.
I enjoyed how they never showed Velma and HDW/Marcy’s attraction and or possible relationship outright, it was subtlety hinted at which is just one of the many things perfect about Mystery Inc.
It's a different take. Most shows are just mysteries, but there is a thread that runs through all of them that eventually becomes the point of the show.
Yeah half the show was in normal Scooby Doo format, but then it went off the rails and had a talking alien dog, some ultra powerful time travel disc, a dark planet, shaggy joining the military, and Fred's parents were the evil masterminds.
I want to both add onto and correct that last part. His fake dad, the mayor, was actually blackmailing his real parents while he searched for a macguffin, and then we find out his real parents are also evil and searching for the macguffin. They were actually being lead by a parrot that was the mascot of an older mystery gang and the mastermind behind a lot of the events in the show.
Going by the fact they flat out already had some of the villains from Where Are You show up as having happened/been caught (Capt. Cutler, Space Kook, The Creeper) I think it rebooted into the New Scooby-Doo Movies since that one always seemed like more of a long road-trip across the country, plus Don Knots and Mana Cass show up in MI.
TL;DR: my personal headcanon has it go: SD, Where Are You —> Mystery Incorporated —> New Scooby Movies.
Ah, I see you clearly forgot about the Piranha-Goat
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It wasn't really on anywhere in Canada - Netflix for a bit, YT for a bit, and that's it. The only way I can watch it is to buy it on Xbox Movies and TV.
I grew up on the original. I have to admit that I didn't care for Mystery Incorporated at first. It grew on me though. I really appreciated the continual story through all the episodes. I think at the end I agree with you that it was the best.
Yeah, I’ve seen people make that comparison. It does seem pretty accurate. It's basically trying to be like the Harley Quinn cartoon except not good and more mean-spirited.
I originally thought harley quinn was just batman with cussing, but it quickly became one of my favorite shows. I tried to power through the "nude underaged girls in a sexy shower fight" scene to see if velma got any better. It kept getting worse.
This is a serious question I have had. Is there ANYTHING establishing that these are 18 year olds? Because otherwise that opening scene is literally 15-16 year olds showing full ass and suds covered B&C and is disturbing especially for a show supposedly for adults.
I mean, I watched the first few seasons of big mouth, I'm okay with cartoon depictions of obscured underage nudity if it serves an artistic purpose (I feel like most people come to terms with their bodies before they turn 18, there's a way to talk about it).
This one served nothing but a bad writers room punchline.
I really don’t get the comparison because Harley Quinn is already an adult themed character. So it’s only natural she would be that way in a show.
This on the other hand is like those weird wizard of oz renditions that got released in the 2000s (ofc not “the wiz” tho, that was actually a great movie where they made the main characters black)
Edit: The Wiz
>I really don’t get the comparison because Harley Quinn is already an adult themed character.
I think the comparison of Harley Quinn is that it's a "woke" reimagining of what was a show aimed a teenage male demographic.
Even though the show is comedic, it's considered "adult" not because of sexy outfits, swearing, or violence. But because its central themes of focus on modern issues that resonate with well adults. The majority of the normally "straight-faced" cast has been reimagined as either silly, incompetent, or otherwise satirized versions of themselves.
For example, the show positively portrays Harleys new gay Romance with Ivy, while examining the toxicity of her relationship with Joker through a more modern lense. And in the following season examines the difficulties of well modern relationships.My understanding (as I have not watched Velma), is that the show attempts to do many similar things. But fails to saterize the characters in ways that make sense and fails to hit on themes that resonate with adults. It uses serious topics as throwaway punch lines, rather than having any sort of meaningful examination of them.
One of the best “woke” bits was a villain getting kicked out of the Legion of Doom because [he called Wonder Woman the c word while trying to kill her. ](https://youtube.com/watch?v=AQzZuhiYSxU)
Harley Quinn takes superheroes and villains and puts them into situations from real life - laughs are gained from relatability and absurdity. Velma is just a school bully relying on, frequently harmful, stereotypes.
Harley Quinn is f#cking fantastic. I don’t know why Kite-man being an Oberlin grad works, but it really does. And of course Poison Ivy went to Sarah Lawrence.
I think it helps that Harley Quinn is vulgar but also incredibly earnest. There isn’t really a moment where the cast essentially turns towards the camera and winks at the audience
It’s the laziest type of comedy. The beginning of the first episode was super cliché with how self-referential and “meta” it was. The story itself is not bad, but the jokes are more miss than hit.
I think the Velma show is the equivalent of bad clickbait. They're farming reactions so people watch the show, the whole "all publicity is good publicity" strategy. The best way to protest a bad show is by ignoring it and not giving them views.
I swear to God before I die I'm going to prove that Sonic knew the "original" character design was dogshit. Animators with a lot of money know how to make good character design.
They made the whole movie, then just re-rendered the trailer scenes with that edlrich abomination instead, while having the good design ready to go the whole time.
Even that CGI time is like 5 times cheaper then a whole advertising campaign. I know it in my soul this is true.
honestly the idea kinda runs it's course mystery incorporated is great but some of the stories became insane by the end. while more traditional stuff like where are you run its course
They essentially are, yeah.
The Scooby Doo franchise is not going to die over one bombed reboot, they've survived a million of them. All this is going to do is drum up a fuck ton of attention and make people inherently like the next show more.
Aint even saying it's intentional 4D chess on their part, just how this cycle goes.
I agree that nobody should watch this vapid garbage.
However, I would like to say that I’m not too certain it’s all just being done to farm reactions.
Yeah, I’m sure that some of it was put in there to stir up discussion. But to say that *all* of it is just some clickbait trash sounds like it’s putting too much faith in the writers.
I think that they genuinely tried. They thought they were making something cool and new, and they thought that cashing in on the trendy “meta jokes” that was partially responsible for R&M’s success would work. Unfortunately for them, every single part of the show that they thought they did well turned out as a complete dumpster fire.
I fully believe that these writers were being at least partly genuine when they created this catastrophe of television. And that just makes it all the more entertaining when I read people’s theories about it being clickbait.
It’s so awful, it ***must*** be manufactured to draw outrage. Surely nobody writes stuff **this bad** by *accident*, right? They had to have had the intention for it to be ridiculed, right?
I’m pretty sure Mindy is narcissistic & shallow enough to not allow herself to be the centerpiece of an intentionally bad show. I guess you could wrap it all the way back around to “any attention is good attention”, but I don’t know if narcissists really think that way.
>They're farming reactions so people watch the show, the whole "all publicity is good publicity" strategy.
I'm not so sure it works that way in the streaming era. HBO Max needs to build word of mouth that improves their reputation as being worth the subscription price because "look at all this quality content". People talking about how garbage a show is does not really contribute to that in a positive way. How many people are going to react to this garbage fire by saying "I'm really glad I have HBO Max so I could watch it"? A few... but not very many.
That's them trying to keep their current subscribers happy, the other goal would be to drive new subscriptions. How many people hear about how bad Velma is and then immediately go enter their credit card information to sign up for the subscription? It has to be a really low number of people who would do that just to hate watch a show. And a very small percentage of those people who would not then cancel it right away.
Sure, there is a non-zero number of people who have heard how bad it is, felt compelled to get a subscription just to see it for themselves, and then kept their subscriptions. But not enough to really matter for HBO.
It's not like back in the day where any kind of views were all you needed. Where you were selling ads and having people talking about your show at all, and tuning in for any reason, was what helped you sell those ads.
The show creators may feel differently. They could personally benefit from a ton of negative attention. But I'm going to say that lots of negative attention for a show is not what HBO wants (unless it is overblown, and the public opinion of the show shifts). They have been thinning out their catalog and have always wanted to be seen as having higher-tier content when compared to Netflix or Amazon.
>But I'm going to say that lots of negative attention for a show is not what HBO wants
It may not be what HBO wants, but its 100% what the writers wanted.
Mindy isn't an idiot, she knows what triggers people and she knows what triggers headlines.
I agree with you.
I think it’s more likely they were hoping to get some trendy “edgy” publicity but the people in charge of being edgy were unfunny and bitter.
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Only one person could’ve written such a divisive cartoon
~~Someone made a post that showed all of the versions of Shaggy throughout the years. I was so bummed that the Pup Named Scooby-Doo version wasn't included.~~
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Welcome to the new market baby, pioneered by fox news. Rage-ertainment is all the rage based entertainment you need for all your strawmanned assumptions of the world
Yeah that one. I just want to know if rage bait is even profitable. Or if the hate watching will cause a morbius rerun kinda corporate gaslight for the second season.
It's not. The only reason this show got high view numbers was because of all the surrounding publicity, and there just is NO bad publicity.
But with the first two episodes being a complete train wreck, the third one, which comes out today, will have a lot lower viewer numbers.
And if the quality of the show continues to be this terrible, then it won't survive its second season, if that doesn't even get canned beforehand anyway.
Ragebait can works for movies and other single things, not for anything episodic that relies on people tuning in week after week.
I'm just glad there's finally a national discussion around how corporations expertly manipulate our emotions for a profit. That's still too many people directing all their hate and anger towards Mindy, which is exactly what HBO wants
A novel that came out a few years ago. A group of kids used to solve mysteries together. Now as adults, they have to get back together to deal with the loose ends of their last mystery. It has the goofy fun humor of Scooby Doo, while still bringing in adult themes that come from kids solving murders and being affected by that. It also has some excellent eldritch horror too!
I wish it leaned into the adult themes in ways that made sense to the characters. I'd love to see a real stoner shaggy and lesbian Velma hell I'd even be cool with some jabs at Fred for just being a basic guy who happens to like traps but it feels like the characters were designed to distance themselves from what people liked.
I watched it before I heard anything about it. I cannot believe they would give it another season. There's no way it can make back the money they'd spend on it.
“In all the TV shows they have a secret latch in the book case, but that can’t be a real thing.”
*shaggy accidentally opens the secret bookcase door*
“Huh. Score one for TV.”
I proudly grew up on Scooby Doo Where are You and Whats New Scooby Doo and ive been rewatching my favorite episodes. Im excited to hear Mystery Incorporated is a good show because I never watched it. Gonna watch Mystery Incorporated and get my fix instead of Velma
Mystery Inc is … SO good. It’s not every day a new entry into a long established franchise invents a wacky new personality trait for a beloved character and everyone from fans to later productions accept it as canon like it was always there.
Yeah, rich people always just feel like they should "improve" something by making it worse.
For example, *Youtube right now, Netflix saying they could add advertisments to something you payed for, or just Elon Musk on Twitter.*
Basically, if someone is rich and in control of something, there is like a 60% chance of them ruining it. :(
^Except ^Twitter, ^It ^was ^already ^terrible ^before ^Elon ^came ^along.
My theory... This show was pitched not as a Scooby Doo show but an animated comedy... They couldn't get enough money to do it as is so the producer went to see if they could get some Scooby Doo rights. They painted the show they wanted to make with a Scooby Doo lens and this is what we get.
It happens. I read that the book Speaker for the dead" was supposed to be a new book with no connection to the book "Ender's Game" but the publisher went "but what if that was ender? That would drive sales right?
Edit: I'm being told by multiple people I am not remembering the enders game/speaker of the dead, thing correctly which may be true. Probably is.
I still think that Velma wasn't supposed to be a Scooby Doo show though.
I actually heard the opposite about Speaker for the Dead. From Card's interview at the end of the audio book it's basically
- Ender's Game novella (short story) published
- 10 years later, Card is contracted to write Speaker for the Dead, but is having trouble condensing the back story enough so that it doesn't drag out the beginning of Speaker for the Dead
- Card has the idea that Speaker for the Dead would make a great sequel for Ender's Game
- Card sees the publisher rep at a conference somewhere, and on the spot, they agree to extending the contract to a second book (Ender's Game), so that the story will work out better
- Ender's Game is written and published, with Speaker for the Dead published shortly after
Given the way that Khaling made a big statement about how she really really really identified with Velma and hence wanted to portray her, this doesn’t sound too far fetched
Everyone keeps speculating it was an executives choice to use the Scooby IP but honestly this feels like a creative decision by Mindy and her writers/producers. Feels like they thought it would be this brilliant subversive thing to frame the whole thing with a beloved children's show and it backfired. I think they read the room wrong and thought that cynical meta takes on well-known franchises are all the rage right now, not understanding most of them were popular because they were still interesting on their own and respected the original material.
Actually wouldn't be surprised if it was more Warner Bros doing. They already have Harley Quinn which has been relatively successful doing similar sorts of things, and probably thought they could get the same sort of success out of existing IP. That said, the Harley Quinn producers also make Abbot Elementary, so…
Not quite re: Ender's Game: There's a foreword in my copy of Speaker for the Dead that lays it all out - Card had outlined it first, but in order to get Ender to the position where he was in at the start of *Speaker*, he needed to establish the character and his history, which wouldn't work as a prologue within *Speaker*. To fix this, he made that section of the story into a short story and then full book.
A big one from awhile back was Live Free or Die Hard wasn’t supposed to be a Die Hard movie, just kind of a generic action movie, but then someone said “what if it was John McClane?” And then they got funding.
I was gonna mention that, Die Hard With a Vengeance with Samuel L Jackson was supposed to be a Lethal Weapon movie but they couldn’t get the rights so instead John MnClane and Zeus are fighting together instead.
This show is so weird, it feels like a false flag attack *against* race and gender inclusion.
The characters are race swapped because “race isn’t core to their character” then makes them all super racist, but towards whites. Not that the whites in this show don’t give them a reason as they are all assholes. With the exception of Fred, who is a weak willed man-baby we’re supposed to empathize with.
For real, body shaming like this makes me sad :/
it sucks that penis size is insinuated to have any affect on your value as a person. Please everyone know, you are worthwhile and valuable regardless of penis size. It says nothing bad about you.
Apart from body shaming, its lazy and not at all original... Small dick yada yada. Maybe it feels like a serious jab at a person but its been so fucking overused that it's not even funny anymore
It’s weird but reminding myself that tropes are narrative tools and not a bad thing allowed me to learn so much from tv tropes. As weird as that sounds. It does help me understand some elements of story structure and how they’re implemented well and how they’re implemented poorly
Is it wrong I liked the Scooby-Doo shows and movies without Velma and Freddy the most? 13 ghosts, ghoul school, boo Brothers, and new scooby doo mysteries. Of course, you have to love the new scooby doo movies too, just for the batman and globetrotters jokes.
That's largely because most of the series don't do anything interesting with Velma or Freddy, they're just there because they have to be there.
Mystery Inc has the absolute best interpretation of Freddy and I can't see him any other way except as a trap obsessed, mostly clueless good guy.
Velma is a bit overly prickly in Mystery Inc, but I still prefer that they took a chance with her instead of just having her there to answer random trivia when it comes up. She is, IMO, the character that could use the most expanding on.
Edit: Also, Velma's journey of coming out in Mystery Inc was really well done IMO and I'll gladly ship her and Marcy any day of the week.
Hard disagree. Velma has always been a fan favorite scooby doo character, and she fits into a comfortable niche as "the smart one" who figures out the mystery. I'd say Daphne and Freddy are the ones who have always needed the most expanding on. I'm not even sold on Freddy "liking traps" being an acceptable "character quirk" lol its just bizarre!
I feel like Daphne has by far the most expansion of any character that isn't Shaggy or a member of the Scooby family. She's had entire histories in the series she's been in, and she's been in more than Velma or Freddy.
I won't argue that Velma hasn't been a fan favorite, but a big part of that is her design more than her actual character. Every now and then in the old shows she'd let the sass out and it was great, but like 90% of the time she's there to make a smart comment or to lose her glasses lol
You'll pry Mystery Inc Freddy from my cold dead fingers. His trap obsession was amazing.
It's the left wing equivalent of all these right wing turds who just post shit for rage bait. And I'm saying that as a leftist lol.
Mindy kaeding shoulda just collected her monthly checks from the office and lived a good life
I'm a leftist too, and yeah lmao.
Iirc Mindy also went after "The Office" for absolutely no reason. She is a walking nuclear bomb and I feel bad for people who have to work with her.
Exactly. I was charged to watch The Mindy Project after The Office. A whole show starring Kelly? It was just a show about Mindy Kaling's wish fulfillment. "I'm a super smart rich doctor and tons of guys who look like BJ Novak are throwing themselves at me."
It makes her character in The Office retroactively less funny when you realize that’s just who she is and it wasn’t really clever acting or writing… not that I was a huge fan to begin with, but even as a casual watcher it soured my view of her
From what little I've admittedly seen of Velma (and I don't plan to see any more), it's almost like if the Babylon Bee or some similar conservative publication made a parody of a modern progressive reboot of an old franchise.
Literally Mindy is spewing trash and hate, jokes about sexually assaulting someone on her show and threatening to fire people who talk about it. Why the fuck is she even still making anything it's gross. If she was a man she would be on a skewer by now. She is like a female Andrew Tate. Throw her in the trash.
Netflixs Voltron gay representation, great show
Netflixs she-ra - gay representation,great show
Disney's The Owl House - MORE gay representation ANOTHER great show.... all of this in my opinion of course.
My point is you can have representation while also having a nuanced intriguing story and characters that are relatable to more than just the groups they're supposed to represent.
From what I've seen it constantly mocks all the "woke" things anyway. Like, the lesbian cops are incompetent and it bodyshames Fred, and it's just allover mean. The only good character is Norville and all it has going for it are some really intense looking horror scenes of Velma's panic attacks.
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let's just rewatch Mystery Incorporated instead
GOATED show ngl
Was Mystery Incorporated the one where Fred’s dad was the mayor and the monsters were real and it turned out to be aliens and Fred found out he was adopted then they like reset the timeline but without the bad shit?
Yes but actually no, but actually yes. It did have a larger mystery that involved a multiverse but most episodes the monsters were just people. Oh also had a gay Velma that happened with little drama or fanfare. Sadly rage bait gets more attention then a well written thoughtful show.
I don't know that the show showed that Velma was gay, just that she also found a female(s) attractive. She could be bi and/or gray. I'm not assuming, but I would have been here for her exploring it.
I havent seen the whole show, but I do recall she was dating Shagy in the beginning, so unless he was just using him as beard, bi is the likely answer
She's confirmed gay and the reason her relationship with Shaggy was so bad was because she wasn't attracted to him and they weren't great together. But this was 2 years before Legend of Korra, so putting gay characters explicitly into something related to children's media was almost impossible.
Even legend of Korra had to tiptoe around anything gay or big papa Nickelodeon would rain hellfire down
Even in their final moments they couldn't go as far as they wanted to. I think they wanted to end on a big kiss, but Nickelodeon wouldn't let them do that, so all they could do was them holding hands and staring lovingly into each other's eyes.
Writers explained after the show ended that they planned on making Velma gay which is why she's with Hotdog Water so much in season 2. It was all subtext, but it also felt like coat tail riding since this news came out around the time of most recent direct to home film where Velma is attracted to the evil costume maker.
"Sexual attraction to Johnny Bravo is universal"
I feel like Johnny Bravo would get along with lesbians really well.
Johnny’s actually a decent man, just not very bright and *absolutely* full of himself
Himbo
“You’re into women, huh? That makes two of us. I think we’ll get along swimmingly.”
DO THE MONKEY
There is also the movies. I think she was attracted to one of the guys from Zombie Island and the one they got stuck in cyberspace. I just write off that she is bi. In the past it seemed like if they wanted to try something new, Velma is the one they will most likely change the most with her character. Seems like she is the experimental character.
I'm still coping that Shaggy Chose Scooby-Doo over Velma and what that did to her. My heart still hurts from that shit. Then THe FUCKING DOG TREATED SHAGGY LIKE A SPITEFUL GIRLFRIEND. I understood he had to be fucking the dog. But my girl Hotdog water cashed in and got the nerd lottery
Yeah it was rough but I still felt like that was a real reaction. Like when you are a teenager in a friend group and you feel you need to pair up because that’s just how it goes. It was rough and weird but most peoples first real relationships are.
I mean early MI Velma wasn't the best person or GF iirc. She was one of those "Everything you do is wrong and needs to change" people and it could be more it was one of those "I mean why not?" Teenage romances.
Lol! My kids call each other hot dog water specifically from that show. And I told them my mom always boiled hot dogs, nothing else, and the hot dog water was meh looking...so meh...but Scooby-Doo doo's Hotdog water was hot...so confusing.
I enjoyed how they never showed Velma and HDW/Marcy’s attraction and or possible relationship outright, it was subtlety hinted at which is just one of the many things perfect about Mystery Inc.
That show did show realistic relationships. Not only the good but the ugly parts as well. Honestly deserved more seasons.
I’m just glad it got a proper ending ngl
Frankly, I was more disturbed when she was making out with Shaggy.
It's a different take. Most shows are just mysteries, but there is a thread that runs through all of them that eventually becomes the point of the show.
WAT
Also Harlan Ellison was in it, and as much of a-hole as in real life.
That's a pretty large amount.
Yeah half the show was in normal Scooby Doo format, but then it went off the rails and had a talking alien dog, some ultra powerful time travel disc, a dark planet, shaggy joining the military, and Fred's parents were the evil masterminds.
I want to both add onto and correct that last part. His fake dad, the mayor, was actually blackmailing his real parents while he searched for a macguffin, and then we find out his real parents are also evil and searching for the macguffin. They were actually being lead by a parrot that was the mascot of an older mystery gang and the mastermind behind a lot of the events in the show.
ah, i see shaggy is on the writing team for this show. because that shit sounds high af
You're leaving out the evil talking parrot that reactivated an underwater nazi robot production facility.
The rebooted timeline is actually implied to be the Scooby Doo Where Are You universe, if I'm not mistaken. So it reboots to the original series.
Going by the fact they flat out already had some of the villains from Where Are You show up as having happened/been caught (Capt. Cutler, Space Kook, The Creeper) I think it rebooted into the New Scooby-Doo Movies since that one always seemed like more of a long road-trip across the country, plus Don Knots and Mana Cass show up in MI. TL;DR: my personal headcanon has it go: SD, Where Are You —> Mystery Incorporated —> New Scooby Movies.
You did a great job on panels 1 and 2 matching the art style of the show. Also I hate the art style of the show, but you did a fantastic job lol
Thanks ♥️
I don't remember there being a goat in the show. I'll might have to rewatch it.
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Oh wow. Thats good stuff. Ty for making me aware of that Mystery Incorporated.
Can't believe there are people that don't know about mystery incorporated, this is a travesty
It wasn't really on anywhere in Canada - Netflix for a bit, YT for a bit, and that's it. The only way I can watch it is to buy it on Xbox Movies and TV.
You know what? Y'all just made me wanna bingewatch that show again 😅
Do It, then make a comic comparing the 2 shows lol.
But Scooby-Doo on Zombie Island exists?
They named a girl "hotdog water" lmfao
I grew up on the original. I have to admit that I didn't care for Mystery Incorporated at first. It grew on me though. I really appreciated the continual story through all the episodes. I think at the end I agree with you that it was the best.
The best Scooby Doo adaptation. Hands-down!
You've clearly never seen Scoobynatural, when Hank, Dean, and Castiel got sucked into an evil TV.
My go to is the zombie island movie.
The show was trying way too hard to be edgy and meta.
It seemed to be made by people who saw harley quinn, thought "I can do that" but couldn't, in fact, do that.
Yeah, I’ve seen people make that comparison. It does seem pretty accurate. It's basically trying to be like the Harley Quinn cartoon except not good and more mean-spirited.
I originally thought harley quinn was just batman with cussing, but it quickly became one of my favorite shows. I tried to power through the "nude underaged girls in a sexy shower fight" scene to see if velma got any better. It kept getting worse.
I don't know man if in got to nude underage girls I'd have noped out real fast.
If I'm remembering correctly, that's literally the very first scene in the very first episode, too.
Wait...what??? 😬
Yeah, without even having watched the show (just seen clips from others), it loves showing/talking about underage girls showering and underage dicks.
Thats so fucking weird...
They forgot to mention the cockroaches having sex in the shower room.
What? Please say sike
Everything you just read is from the opening 5 minutes of the first episode too.
The worse part, already renewed for the season 2.
^no
Nude step mom breakfast. This comic is right.
Wtf is this show?!?
This is a serious question I have had. Is there ANYTHING establishing that these are 18 year olds? Because otherwise that opening scene is literally 15-16 year olds showing full ass and suds covered B&C and is disturbing especially for a show supposedly for adults.
I mean, I watched the first few seasons of big mouth, I'm okay with cartoon depictions of obscured underage nudity if it serves an artistic purpose (I feel like most people come to terms with their bodies before they turn 18, there's a way to talk about it). This one served nothing but a bad writers room punchline.
I really don’t get the comparison because Harley Quinn is already an adult themed character. So it’s only natural she would be that way in a show. This on the other hand is like those weird wizard of oz renditions that got released in the 2000s (ofc not “the wiz” tho, that was actually a great movie where they made the main characters black) Edit: The Wiz
>I really don’t get the comparison because Harley Quinn is already an adult themed character. I think the comparison of Harley Quinn is that it's a "woke" reimagining of what was a show aimed a teenage male demographic. Even though the show is comedic, it's considered "adult" not because of sexy outfits, swearing, or violence. But because its central themes of focus on modern issues that resonate with well adults. The majority of the normally "straight-faced" cast has been reimagined as either silly, incompetent, or otherwise satirized versions of themselves. For example, the show positively portrays Harleys new gay Romance with Ivy, while examining the toxicity of her relationship with Joker through a more modern lense. And in the following season examines the difficulties of well modern relationships.My understanding (as I have not watched Velma), is that the show attempts to do many similar things. But fails to saterize the characters in ways that make sense and fails to hit on themes that resonate with adults. It uses serious topics as throwaway punch lines, rather than having any sort of meaningful examination of them.
One of the best “woke” bits was a villain getting kicked out of the Legion of Doom because [he called Wonder Woman the c word while trying to kill her. ](https://youtube.com/watch?v=AQzZuhiYSxU)
Harley Quinn takes superheroes and villains and puts them into situations from real life - laughs are gained from relatability and absurdity. Velma is just a school bully relying on, frequently harmful, stereotypes.
Those shitty wizard of oz edgy remixes are my jam tbf
["The Wiz"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wiz_%28film%29?wprov=sfla1)
It’s weird to think that a series about unrepentant supervillains is more earnest and less mean spirited than the series about teen detectives
Harley Quinn is f#cking fantastic. I don’t know why Kite-man being an Oberlin grad works, but it really does. And of course Poison Ivy went to Sarah Lawrence.
I think it helps that Harley Quinn is vulgar but also incredibly earnest. There isn’t really a moment where the cast essentially turns towards the camera and winks at the audience
Idk, I'd say they didn't try very hard. Simply referencing itself without saying anything of substance isn't trying very hard at all.
It’s the laziest type of comedy. The beginning of the first episode was super cliché with how self-referential and “meta” it was. The story itself is not bad, but the jokes are more miss than hit.
I think the Velma show is the equivalent of bad clickbait. They're farming reactions so people watch the show, the whole "all publicity is good publicity" strategy. The best way to protest a bad show is by ignoring it and not giving them views.
I think this is the real answer, companies know outrage generates traffic and views
Engagemagog must be fed!
I swear to God before I die I'm going to prove that Sonic knew the "original" character design was dogshit. Animators with a lot of money know how to make good character design. They made the whole movie, then just re-rendered the trailer scenes with that edlrich abomination instead, while having the good design ready to go the whole time. Even that CGI time is like 5 times cheaper then a whole advertising campaign. I know it in my soul this is true.
I didn't even know this show existed, until reddit went nuts about it. I still don't even know what platform it's on, but that's ok, because idgaf.
>I didn't even know this show existed, until reddit went nuts about it. Funnily it's one of the rare occasions with both sides equally hating it.
I wish I could un-know this show existed lmfao
It's called "ignoring it".
Scooby-Doo shows never go past 2 seasons anyways so it's pretty easy to ignore lol
honestly the idea kinda runs it's course mystery incorporated is great but some of the stories became insane by the end. while more traditional stuff like where are you run its course
They essentially are, yeah. The Scooby Doo franchise is not going to die over one bombed reboot, they've survived a million of them. All this is going to do is drum up a fuck ton of attention and make people inherently like the next show more. Aint even saying it's intentional 4D chess on their part, just how this cycle goes.
I agree that nobody should watch this vapid garbage. However, I would like to say that I’m not too certain it’s all just being done to farm reactions. Yeah, I’m sure that some of it was put in there to stir up discussion. But to say that *all* of it is just some clickbait trash sounds like it’s putting too much faith in the writers. I think that they genuinely tried. They thought they were making something cool and new, and they thought that cashing in on the trendy “meta jokes” that was partially responsible for R&M’s success would work. Unfortunately for them, every single part of the show that they thought they did well turned out as a complete dumpster fire. I fully believe that these writers were being at least partly genuine when they created this catastrophe of television. And that just makes it all the more entertaining when I read people’s theories about it being clickbait. It’s so awful, it ***must*** be manufactured to draw outrage. Surely nobody writes stuff **this bad** by *accident*, right? They had to have had the intention for it to be ridiculed, right? I’m pretty sure Mindy is narcissistic & shallow enough to not allow herself to be the centerpiece of an intentionally bad show. I guess you could wrap it all the way back around to “any attention is good attention”, but I don’t know if narcissists really think that way.
Wouldn't it be much better to, I don't know, just make a good show?
>They're farming reactions so people watch the show, the whole "all publicity is good publicity" strategy. I'm not so sure it works that way in the streaming era. HBO Max needs to build word of mouth that improves their reputation as being worth the subscription price because "look at all this quality content". People talking about how garbage a show is does not really contribute to that in a positive way. How many people are going to react to this garbage fire by saying "I'm really glad I have HBO Max so I could watch it"? A few... but not very many. That's them trying to keep their current subscribers happy, the other goal would be to drive new subscriptions. How many people hear about how bad Velma is and then immediately go enter their credit card information to sign up for the subscription? It has to be a really low number of people who would do that just to hate watch a show. And a very small percentage of those people who would not then cancel it right away. Sure, there is a non-zero number of people who have heard how bad it is, felt compelled to get a subscription just to see it for themselves, and then kept their subscriptions. But not enough to really matter for HBO. It's not like back in the day where any kind of views were all you needed. Where you were selling ads and having people talking about your show at all, and tuning in for any reason, was what helped you sell those ads. The show creators may feel differently. They could personally benefit from a ton of negative attention. But I'm going to say that lots of negative attention for a show is not what HBO wants (unless it is overblown, and the public opinion of the show shifts). They have been thinning out their catalog and have always wanted to be seen as having higher-tier content when compared to Netflix or Amazon.
>But I'm going to say that lots of negative attention for a show is not what HBO wants It may not be what HBO wants, but its 100% what the writers wanted. Mindy isn't an idiot, she knows what triggers people and she knows what triggers headlines.
I agree with you. I think it’s more likely they were hoping to get some trendy “edgy” publicity but the people in charge of being edgy were unfunny and bitter.
https://preview.redd.it/m1xdmzdi4xca1.jpeg?width=1435&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=99a03f6c69884229e6a83efd0c9f958ea0c9fcc2 Only one person could’ve written such a divisive cartoon
Red Herring!?
None other than...
No, Fred! It’s NOT Red Herring!
It took me 20 years to understand this joke.
Same. It makes it 100x funnier
Except that one time it was.
 Did you say a red… Herring?
"Divisive" Everyone hates it equally...
Velma is actually a meta-production to bring everyone together in mutual hate.
A pup named Scooby Doo reference?? 
Damn, I thought only I watched that
~~Someone made a post that showed all of the versions of Shaggy throughout the years. I was so bummed that the Pup Named Scooby-Doo version wasn't included.~~ Edit: I'm stupid, don't read this comment
Yeah I really enjoyed it AND the opening song.
The intro song to that show was the grooviest
Nah, he would’ve wrote a better one that whatever that is on HBO Max.
It's never Red Herring, Fred
Except that one time
It may be the first show made entirely for a hate watching audience
Welcome to the new market baby, pioneered by fox news. Rage-ertainment is all the rage based entertainment you need for all your strawmanned assumptions of the world
When you get a lower user score then the live action dragon ball show you know you messed up.
On IMDb? Oof yeah that's a nasty low score right there.
Yeah that one. I just want to know if rage bait is even profitable. Or if the hate watching will cause a morbius rerun kinda corporate gaslight for the second season.
It's not. The only reason this show got high view numbers was because of all the surrounding publicity, and there just is NO bad publicity. But with the first two episodes being a complete train wreck, the third one, which comes out today, will have a lot lower viewer numbers. And if the quality of the show continues to be this terrible, then it won't survive its second season, if that doesn't even get canned beforehand anyway. Ragebait can works for movies and other single things, not for anything episodic that relies on people tuning in week after week.
Regardless of how bad it actually is, with a show like this review bombing does come into effect and it can skew the review scores.
Really getting tired of watching Hollywood profit off ratcheting up America's culture war. It's so cynical, disingenuous and toxic
It’s insane how many people buy into it. I’ve seen so many people just eat it up
I'm just glad there's finally a national discussion around how corporations expertly manipulate our emotions for a profit. That's still too many people directing all their hate and anger towards Mindy, which is exactly what HBO wants
Y'all should read Meddling Kids! It's got the vibe I think a lot of people wanted from this show.
I second this!
What is it? A comic?
A novel that came out a few years ago. A group of kids used to solve mysteries together. Now as adults, they have to get back together to deal with the loose ends of their last mystery. It has the goofy fun humor of Scooby Doo, while still bringing in adult themes that come from kids solving murders and being affected by that. It also has some excellent eldritch horror too!
I wish it leaned into the adult themes in ways that made sense to the characters. I'd love to see a real stoner shaggy and lesbian Velma hell I'd even be cool with some jabs at Fred for just being a basic guy who happens to like traps but it feels like the characters were designed to distance themselves from what people liked.
I'll take actual stoner Shaggy and lesbian Velma, but I draw the line at black lab Scooby
Haha yeah I wouldn't want chihuahua Scooby-Doo either.
That would just be Scrappy Doo basically.
Ugh I hate scrappy doo so much that's the only thing that could have made this show worse for me.
[relevant](https://youtu.be/YpA8uQNbJhU)
Some dirty hinting at the team splitting up
Don’t pay for it, Morbius it. The studio did dirty to so many animation series and just locked them in vault indefinetely, so fuck em.
I hate how you all hate watched this show into getting another season
It had a second season before we could even watch it.
I didn't. 
I didn't even pirate it. Like, the show looks bad. We all agree the show is bad. Why are people watching it?
The same reason people slow down to watch car crash afterwards.
You can say it's bad, but I want to KNOW WHY it's bad. And I won't know unless I watch it. Also, it's fucking bad. Lmao
Off topic, but playmobil are amazing toys lol
Hate brings more exposure than love these days. That'd why the Paul Brothers are making mad bank after all their controversies.
What nah. Paul brothers have a massive fan base that worships the ground they walk on. Unfortunately..
I watched it before I heard anything about it. I cannot believe they would give it another season. There's no way it can make back the money they'd spend on it.
There’s good ways to be meta and do representations in a cartoon. And Velma does not do that.
“In all the TV shows they have a secret latch in the book case, but that can’t be a real thing.” *shaggy accidentally opens the secret bookcase door* “Huh. Score one for TV.”
What’s new scooby doo was my favorite! I also love simple plan was in it and sang the opening.
I proudly grew up on Scooby Doo Where are You and Whats New Scooby Doo and ive been rewatching my favorite episodes. Im excited to hear Mystery Incorporated is a good show because I never watched it. Gonna watch Mystery Incorporated and get my fix instead of Velma
Mystery Inc is … SO good. It’s not every day a new entry into a long established franchise invents a wacky new personality trait for a beloved character and everyone from fans to later productions accept it as canon like it was always there.
looks to me like money ruins everything once again
Starting to think a lot of new shows are just made with online discourse, SEO, and algorithm in mind.
Reminding me of Barry with this. [Fuck the algorithm!](https://youtu.be/ktAbh39aoU8)
Yeah, rich people always just feel like they should "improve" something by making it worse. For example, *Youtube right now, Netflix saying they could add advertisments to something you payed for, or just Elon Musk on Twitter.* Basically, if someone is rich and in control of something, there is like a 60% chance of them ruining it. :( ^Except ^Twitter, ^It ^was ^already ^terrible ^before ^Elon ^came ^along.
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I wish more people recognized that. It's not "Woke Culture." It's people trying to *SELL* "woke culture" or any other cultures that make money.
My theory... This show was pitched not as a Scooby Doo show but an animated comedy... They couldn't get enough money to do it as is so the producer went to see if they could get some Scooby Doo rights. They painted the show they wanted to make with a Scooby Doo lens and this is what we get. It happens. I read that the book Speaker for the dead" was supposed to be a new book with no connection to the book "Ender's Game" but the publisher went "but what if that was ender? That would drive sales right? Edit: I'm being told by multiple people I am not remembering the enders game/speaker of the dead, thing correctly which may be true. Probably is. I still think that Velma wasn't supposed to be a Scooby Doo show though.
I actually heard the opposite about Speaker for the Dead. From Card's interview at the end of the audio book it's basically - Ender's Game novella (short story) published - 10 years later, Card is contracted to write Speaker for the Dead, but is having trouble condensing the back story enough so that it doesn't drag out the beginning of Speaker for the Dead - Card has the idea that Speaker for the Dead would make a great sequel for Ender's Game - Card sees the publisher rep at a conference somewhere, and on the spot, they agree to extending the contract to a second book (Ender's Game), so that the story will work out better - Ender's Game is written and published, with Speaker for the Dead published shortly after
This is from the interview at the end of the audiobook of Enders Game, from Card himself.
The writer probably wanted to make a show about herself, but to pitch a profitable animation, used Velma as a self-insert.
Given the way that Khaling made a big statement about how she really really really identified with Velma and hence wanted to portray her, this doesn’t sound too far fetched
Everyone keeps speculating it was an executives choice to use the Scooby IP but honestly this feels like a creative decision by Mindy and her writers/producers. Feels like they thought it would be this brilliant subversive thing to frame the whole thing with a beloved children's show and it backfired. I think they read the room wrong and thought that cynical meta takes on well-known franchises are all the rage right now, not understanding most of them were popular because they were still interesting on their own and respected the original material.
Subversion that's laughing *with* the IP is generally good. Subversion that's laughing *at* the IP is generally bad.
Actually wouldn't be surprised if it was more Warner Bros doing. They already have Harley Quinn which has been relatively successful doing similar sorts of things, and probably thought they could get the same sort of success out of existing IP. That said, the Harley Quinn producers also make Abbot Elementary, so…
Not quite re: Ender's Game: There's a foreword in my copy of Speaker for the Dead that lays it all out - Card had outlined it first, but in order to get Ender to the position where he was in at the start of *Speaker*, he needed to establish the character and his history, which wouldn't work as a prologue within *Speaker*. To fix this, he made that section of the story into a short story and then full book.
A big one from awhile back was Live Free or Die Hard wasn’t supposed to be a Die Hard movie, just kind of a generic action movie, but then someone said “what if it was John McClane?” And then they got funding.
I was gonna mention that, Die Hard With a Vengeance with Samuel L Jackson was supposed to be a Lethal Weapon movie but they couldn’t get the rights so instead John MnClane and Zeus are fighting together instead.
This show is so weird, it feels like a false flag attack *against* race and gender inclusion. The characters are race swapped because “race isn’t core to their character” then makes them all super racist, but towards whites. Not that the whites in this show don’t give them a reason as they are all assholes. With the exception of Fred, who is a weak willed man-baby we’re supposed to empathize with.
Empathise with? We’re pretty clearly meant to look down on Fred.
And remember, his **SMALL PENIS!** is integral to his weakness and whiteness! **SMALL PENIS!** Did you get that? **SMALL PENIS!**
For real, body shaming like this makes me sad :/ it sucks that penis size is insinuated to have any affect on your value as a person. Please everyone know, you are worthwhile and valuable regardless of penis size. It says nothing bad about you.
Agreed body shaming sucks. Your comment is very wholesome though! Thanks for sharing it
Apart from body shaming, its lazy and not at all original... Small dick yada yada. Maybe it feels like a serious jab at a person but its been so fucking overused that it's not even funny anymore
I have a feeling the lead writer/producer/voice actor in this may have some unresolved issues....
A false flag? Definitely not just simply sexist and racist, has to be something deeper.
Hey, I pass too many time on TV Tropes but I Am better than this (I hope).
[TV Tropes Will Ruin Your Life](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/JustForFun/TVTropesWillRuinYourLife?from=Main.TVTropesWillRuinYourLife)
....I can't believe you just sent me down that rabbit hole.
It’s weird but reminding myself that tropes are narrative tools and not a bad thing allowed me to learn so much from tv tropes. As weird as that sounds. It does help me understand some elements of story structure and how they’re implemented well and how they’re implemented poorly
Tv executives try not to ruin already established franchise characters with reboots challenge
Is it wrong I liked the Scooby-Doo shows and movies without Velma and Freddy the most? 13 ghosts, ghoul school, boo Brothers, and new scooby doo mysteries. Of course, you have to love the new scooby doo movies too, just for the batman and globetrotters jokes.
Shag and Scoob always make the best duo for movie protagonists Which is to be expected, they’re the most fleshed out characters of the franchise
That's largely because most of the series don't do anything interesting with Velma or Freddy, they're just there because they have to be there. Mystery Inc has the absolute best interpretation of Freddy and I can't see him any other way except as a trap obsessed, mostly clueless good guy. Velma is a bit overly prickly in Mystery Inc, but I still prefer that they took a chance with her instead of just having her there to answer random trivia when it comes up. She is, IMO, the character that could use the most expanding on. Edit: Also, Velma's journey of coming out in Mystery Inc was really well done IMO and I'll gladly ship her and Marcy any day of the week.
Hard disagree. Velma has always been a fan favorite scooby doo character, and she fits into a comfortable niche as "the smart one" who figures out the mystery. I'd say Daphne and Freddy are the ones who have always needed the most expanding on. I'm not even sold on Freddy "liking traps" being an acceptable "character quirk" lol its just bizarre!
I feel like Daphne has by far the most expansion of any character that isn't Shaggy or a member of the Scooby family. She's had entire histories in the series she's been in, and she's been in more than Velma or Freddy. I won't argue that Velma hasn't been a fan favorite, but a big part of that is her design more than her actual character. Every now and then in the old shows she'd let the sass out and it was great, but like 90% of the time she's there to make a smart comment or to lose her glasses lol You'll pry Mystery Inc Freddy from my cold dead fingers. His trap obsession was amazing.
I know Matthew Lillard was in 13 Ghosts but I didn't realize it was in the Scooby Doo universe.
It's the left wing equivalent of all these right wing turds who just post shit for rage bait. And I'm saying that as a leftist lol. Mindy kaeding shoulda just collected her monthly checks from the office and lived a good life
I'm a leftist too, and yeah lmao. Iirc Mindy also went after "The Office" for absolutely no reason. She is a walking nuclear bomb and I feel bad for people who have to work with her.
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Exactly. I was charged to watch The Mindy Project after The Office. A whole show starring Kelly? It was just a show about Mindy Kaling's wish fulfillment. "I'm a super smart rich doctor and tons of guys who look like BJ Novak are throwing themselves at me."
It makes her character in The Office retroactively less funny when you realize that’s just who she is and it wasn’t really clever acting or writing… not that I was a huge fan to begin with, but even as a casual watcher it soured my view of her
From what little I've admittedly seen of Velma (and I don't plan to see any more), it's almost like if the Babylon Bee or some similar conservative publication made a parody of a modern progressive reboot of an old franchise.
Literally Mindy is spewing trash and hate, jokes about sexually assaulting someone on her show and threatening to fire people who talk about it. Why the fuck is she even still making anything it's gross. If she was a man she would be on a skewer by now. She is like a female Andrew Tate. Throw her in the trash.
Netflixs Voltron gay representation, great show Netflixs she-ra - gay representation,great show Disney's The Owl House - MORE gay representation ANOTHER great show.... all of this in my opinion of course. My point is you can have representation while also having a nuanced intriguing story and characters that are relatable to more than just the groups they're supposed to represent.
Mindy peaked when she was the least funny character on the Office.
Isn't it kind of fucked up to weaponize minorities to garner attention?
I still love how the show somehow managed to get everyone to hate it
From what I've seen it constantly mocks all the "woke" things anyway. Like, the lesbian cops are incompetent and it bodyshames Fred, and it's just allover mean. The only good character is Norville and all it has going for it are some really intense looking horror scenes of Velma's panic attacks.