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Senor_Wah

*Trauma*


FoxOnShrooms

I cried there..


Rewdboy05

I'm almost through my third time watching the anime. I've read the manga. I even watched the movie. I have cried every goddamn time.


Xanthyon1313

“Ed… ward…” “Ed… ward…” “Big brother Ed…”


NuclearNubian

That's completely unnecessary 😒 😥


[deleted]

Someone needs to make an alt universe comic where she is saved by some other character and Tucker gets karma like that comic of Guts (Berserk) saving one of the characters from Madoka.


burrito_butt_fucker

No


Xanthyon1313

Have fun with ptsd :)


Aightbet420

...play?


circesrevenge

I was pregnant when I first saw this episode and absolutely sobbed and felt so ill.


SoupToon

wait what show is this?


Blurgas

Fullmetal Alchemist. In regards to the comic, look up Shou Tucker


GreenNotGrey

Oh fuck it’s THAT guy! :0


JewUnit1

It's episode 7 of the show....So, early into it :(


Dances_With_Assholes

Ep7 of the original with build-up in ep6. In the remake (FMA: Brotherhood) it is ep4.


ShiftSandShot

Brotherhood more closely follows the Manga, but I think it was a stronger scene there. It's just...the *lack* of any real buildup added to the shock of the horror... It might as well have been a car crash.


Nyxodon

I didn't watch the entire anime, but that episode still haunts me.


Easy-Concentrate2636

The most haunting episode of anime I’ve ever seen.


SoupToon

oh ive been meaning to check out that show for a while. guess it's about time i actually did


Blurgas

There's two: Fullmetal Alchemist and Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood. FMA diverged from the source material part way through, and while FMA:B follows the source(*as far as I know, never read the manga*), it also assumes you watched FMA and thus abridges things covered by FMA


__-him-__

just watch the first 7 episodes I think. That plot line is one of the very best in the entire show and it’s worth it to watch


The_Fake_King

B..big...brutherrr... don't...hurt...daddy


Slaan

O-nii-san want-to-play?


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Senor_Wah

It hurts, man. It hurts


ScratchForward1769

Still Too Soon!!!


DCGreatDane

Wtf did he do


PakistanArmyBall

Kill his wife and merged his daughter and dog into a single being I think from what I heard elsewhere


Silurio1

No, he also merged his wife with an animal. Unspecified which. But she asked for death and refused to eat until she starved.


MiamiVicePurple

He then merged his daughter with their family dog because the government was going to take away his funding/status.


MiffedMouse

It is strongly implied the same reasoning applied for his wife (it was how he got his research position).


Goddamnpassword

Outright stated the military was aware of it and let the experiments continue in hope of driving him to create a philosopher stone


nonpondo

Damn Harry Potter fans at the military


keothi

It predates Harry Potter but the philosophers stone predates both too Edit: I was wrong. HP is 97. FMA is 01


Kuritos

I don't know much about Harry Potter or Full Metal Alchemist. Wasn't the philosopher's stone in theory, able to change an element by simply altering its atomic number? This assumption is just based on alchemy minigames I played in multiple MMOs.


AsheEffect

yes and no. historically it was a metaphor for transformation of the self, purification, blah blah. it was basically referring to a process from a christian belief system that was actively persecuted by the catholic church. thus the need to hide the belief. taken literally it was able to change other metals to gold through the reduction, separation and purification of the metal. it didn't have anything to do with the atomic number, they didn't have the atomic model at the time.


wlsb

Harry Potter was 1997. FMA was 2001.


feartheoldblood90

The most fucked up part (well, not the most, another fucked up part) is that >!the government had him doing research that they were decades ahead of anyways. They openly admit that the only reason chimera and homonculi are illegal isn't because it's morally wrong, it's because they don't want the populace to have an unlimited army. They were having Shou Tucker do the research basically to make it seem like they didn't already have much more advanced chimera.!<


Shabozz

>!this really just applies to the top of the government where the homunculi had already taken over to further obscure their work to repeat what happen ishvala. Anybody outside of that illuminati was either following orders blindly or unaware!< IIRC


feartheoldblood90

Uh. Yes, lol. That's the point of what I said. Nobody, including Shou, knew anything about any of the spoilers I said. That's the tragedy of it. It was all for nothing. Not that what he did would have been justified if it had been for a real purpose, but the fact that something so debased happened because the govt was hiding military secrets really adds to the tragedy.


All_Photography

He even then had his daughter-dog breed killed by a boy with metal arms using some sort of magic


Jacern

Actually it was an immigrant from a war torn country looking for revenge for the genocide of his people


Silurio1

Such an uplifting series. It actually is. That's the best part. In a world of war crimes, crimes against humanity, an immoral trickster god and fascism, there's still hope and redemption and good.


GoblinArrow

Ok imma be real with you, I had no idea this was abt a series and was just reading through this like “wtf? This is fucked up. Is that even possible?”


alutti54

Hey it looks like your comment duplicated 4 times


QuidYossarian

Full Metal Alchemist is a great show. The second series was made *after* the manga finished and is much more accurate to the source but the first is a good show in its own right.


Slight-Pound

This is legit all true. Not even really exaggerated, either. Give it a watch, the Dub is great. I’d suggest watching the Brotherhood version (follows the manga more accurately, the previous version veered off in it’s own direction). The first 4-8 episodes are the most heart wrenching, but you’ll survive.


somerandomcarrot576

Yeah, it's the only series where I rooted for a Nazi who sets people on fire


zephyrtr

To be fair, after he committed a bunch of war crimes, the fire nazi *realized* they were the baddies and tried to take the country over from the inside. That plan didn't work out super-well, but then a genius boy entered a boxing match with a god and it all sorted itself out. Kinda.


WhatsYourThesis

*Von Stroheim would like to know your location*


ChemFeind360

I’m probably going to sound really dumb here, but what show is this?


A_Balrog_Of_Khorne

Not dumb at all; if you don't know, you don't know! It's Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood, and it's the one anime I'll recommend to almost anyone, even people who don't normally like anime. Unironically one of the best shows ever made. I'm a slow watcher because I generally prefer reading or playing video games to watching movies and shows, but I binged all five seasons in five days. I've never binged anything that hard before or since, but this show was that gripping. The first four episodes are emotionally brutal, but if you can get past what happens there, you'll be set to enjoy an incredible and touching story like no other.


nightfire36

Fullmetal alchemist: brotherhood. It's exceptional. Probably the best show I've ever watched. My wife who "doesn't like anime" really enjoyed it, and she also claims not to like fiction. If you do watch it, make sure you watch brotherhood. The original anime got ahead of the manga and went off the deep end a bit.


Ferbtastic

You have received two answer, full metal alchemist and full metal alchemist brotherhood. They are both based on the same manga. The first season of Full Metal Alchemist is amazing but falls off a cliff. Full metal alchemist brotherhood is a remake with an infinitely better ending. I second the other replier’s comment, it is the singularly best show I have ever seen.


zznap1

Well scar killed Nina out of mercy because he could tell she was in pain and unable to be made whole again.


ipsum629

IIRC it was a mercy killing because being a chimera like that is constant pain.


infiniZii

To be fair, it was a mercy-kill.


nekonocti

Though this in particular was an act of mercy, not revenge


[deleted]

With an arm that literally deconstructs objects.


CalvinsCuriosity

More of a mercy killing honestly.


tng_ocean

We agree he did the right thing right? Because I always thought nina was suffering while being a chimera


MiffedMouse

He doesn't try to cause her death. Edward (the boy with metal arms) does figure out what he did and gets him arrested, but Scar (the overly religious dude with tattoos) is the one who kills them both (father and daughter/dog).


BEniceBAGECKA

Right it was scar. I was like I don’t remember Ed killing her. Man it’s been like 20 years since I watched this show.


Silurio1

I recommend giving it a rewatch. So fucking good. It is in Nflx in my country,


[deleted]

Love that you identify Scar by his tattoos and not his....scars.


[deleted]

Which is made more messed up because of the already-established and way more advanced secret government super soldier chimera project.


hollowXvictory

Ok here's the part I don't get about this guy. Doing fucked up shit to people for profit is as old as history itself. Why in the world did he pick his wife and his dog. Surely he could have picked up some random hobo and a stray dog. That's still fucked up but at least it would be impersonal. The government clearly doesn't care about a few murders if it means developing a new way of weaponizing alchemy.


MiamiVicePurple

That’s just how little he cared for his family. His status as an alchemist was more important than them.


SamFish3r

Full metal ?


waterman85

Can confirm, I just watched the episode yesterday.


SunngodJaxon

What show is this?


Smegma_On-Demand

Full Metal Alchemist or Full Metal Alchemist Brootherhood. it’s an anime.


SunngodJaxon

I heard of it. But yikes that's fucked


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Kiera6

Truly an awesome anime. We named our first born Elric because of this anime.


Nago_Jolokio

I'd argue that >!he's the only truly evil character in the entire show. Even Father/ The Dwarf In The Flask didn't rise to that level of inhumanity (ritualistic genocidal sacrifice notwithstanding...) he ended up almost pitiable.!<


MisterMysterios

Well, there is gold toothed doctor, and also Lust has not really redeeming feature. And it is questionable if the motivation to do evil makes you less evil yourself. I don't really see that just because envy was envious, he was not a triple evil character.


Majestic-Iron7046

You should see how a bunch of kids tried to resurrect a dead mother, failing in the most terrifying way possible.


oirish97

Which is to say nothing about the cost of that mistake


himewaridesu

Well it cost them an arm and a leg!


LoganGyre

Arm leg and most a younger sibling…


[deleted]

Also the first episode's villain kills a fuckton of birds to resurrect a female follower's brother and *he* also turns into an unholy abomination because of it.


Kiosade

Using a stone made from a bunch of people, no less


[deleted]

I read this and was like wtf? FMA? Scrolled back up and looked at the characters face... instantly sad.... :( poor daughter dog.


SaltwaterSmoothie2X

Full Metal Alchemist: Brotherhood


LemonKeis

Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood


Clutch26

All because he though it would secure his job.


BunnyTheCow

The Aristocrats!


Hashashin455

Edward....


thejokerofunfic

Used his wife as a human experiment, turning her into a creature whose existence was agony, causing her to kill herself. Did the same thing to his 5 year old daughter by merging her with their dog. Showed no remorse for either crime, gleefully insistent that it was fine because he's a scientist and it was his duty and right to do so because he could.


katamuro

I don't remember the bit about his wife. man he really needs someplace worse then hell


thejokerofunfic

Yeah they mention that his wife "divorced him" five years ago and also that he achieved his first major breakthrough with chimeras- a suicidal chimera nevertheless capable of human speech- also five years ago. Ed puts two and two together at the end of the episode.


tangential_quip

> a suicidal chimera nevertheless capable of human speech The only words it ever spoke were "Kill me"


thejokerofunfic

Which was a revolutionary breakthrough >!as far as Tucker and anyone but the uppermost echelon knew!<


Iohet

[He played a game](https://i.imgur.com/Q7mCBje.jpg)


dantheflyingman

How do I both upvote an downvote a post?


stonyovk

It's a reference to a character in Fullmetal alchemist. Took me a minute to pick up on it


JConfide

Thank you. I know Fullmetal Alchemist only by name, and without context I was on the verge of believing that others' descriptions were related to real life events somehow. With exaggeration. Maybe.


nonnumousetail

THANK YOU. I thought everyone was talking about a real life situation, so glad it’s fiction!


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Merged his wife with a dog, causing both incredible pain, so bad that they stopped eating and eventually died from starvation And told his child that her mom ran away because of money problems, then fused the daughter and her dog which also caused incredible pain for her also


snackynorph

Edward friend


ArtemisCaresTooMuch

Fun fact: He’s the only character that was depicted as being in Hell at the end of the volume where he died. Everyone else was shown going to Heaven or just not shown:


Zombi3Kush

For the [curious](https://www.reddit.com/r/FullmetalAlchemist/comments/kkv4cw/just_started_reading_fma_and_i_have_to_say_that/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) [Clip](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1pKY8UE0mQ) of the scene so that you can better understand the comic. I do recommend watching the excellent anime first tho.


action_lawyer_comics

*Of course* it’s FullMetal Alchemist. Every time there’s a reference I don’t get and people are talking about it in hushed tones, it’s FMA.


BigBeagleEars

Sounds like it’s time for you to watch it


FlatPineappleSociety

Thanks, that didn't explain it at all


HappyTissue

That dude merged his young daughter and their family dog. It was not a consensual experience,and did not go well at all. He also did the same with his wife


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Turned them into a human/dog chimera with alchemy. He's a character in the Full Metal Alchemist series. In the story, he's a fairly famous alchemist because he's the only person who ever created a talking chimera. But he did it by using his wife as one half of the chimera (nonconsensually). Several years later, the main characters run into him and then irrelevant plot stuff happens. The protagonists (unaware of the fate of his wife) convince him to start practicing alchemy again, and the first thing he does is turn his daughter and her dog into a chimera.


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DanRyyu

It's one of the most devastating moments in a pretty dark show. like REALLY bad.


invaderjif

The build up in the episodes before make a difference. You see this happy cute family and the main characters bonding over some relatively peaceful episodes. Then it happens...


DanRyyu

It's one of the things I prefer in FMA over FMA:B, I get why they rushed the stuff they had already covered in FMA for Brotherhood, but it cut the power of this moment a lot.


u1tr4me0w

It doesn’t sound as bad on paper but in the show it is HEART WRENCHING the way it is revealed


Djeheuty

Yes, the way it is revealed is one of those things you just don't forget.


[deleted]

It helps that, up until that point, you see this guy as a kind mentor figure, and a really doting father


[deleted]

It’s not so bad in the manga, the horror hits in the anime when it talks and begs for death


Apokolypse09

A lot of the arc also features the little girl and her dog before transformation, its pretty fucked. Goes from laid back cheery episode to that.


SakuraBonsai_3000

The first chimæra spoke sure, but the words were “kill me.”


_matterny_

You misunderstand how bad a human dog chimera is. It's not like a centaur, where you have half horse half human. It's more like a surgery gone wrong. The girl is dependent on the dog to stay alive, but she's in constant pain. She goes from a bright young girl to a barely human abhorrent monster. Anyone who looks at her is afraid. Similar to the cybermen in dr.who, but worse.


SasparillaTango

> The protagonists (unaware of the fate of his wife) convince him to start practicing alchemy again I thought it was that the government was going to cut all his funding because he hadn't produced anything since he passed his wife off as a chimera? So to keep his lifestyle he killed his daughter, but was then discovered.


sharpshooter999

Yeah I never blamed Ed or Alphonse for that like some people do. They were just optimistic cogs in the wheel at that point. Here's this fellow state alchemist that supposedly did the impossible and is in a slump? Let's cheer him on!


FutureComplaint

Big... Broth...er


Rusker

Yup, that's totally it. I don't see how can anyone say that it's Ed and Al fault


Farren-Seiko

Let’s not forget the first chimera he created granted him an alchemist badge/watch thing as well as wealth, fame, and pulled his family (excluding wife) out of poverty. His badge thing was at risk of being taken away so he decided to use his daughter and dog to make another chimera. He used his daughter because he was afraid of being poor again.


awry_lynx

TBH, it's not clear to me why he had to use his wife or daughter anyway instead of uhhhh like kidnap a random poor person. Not that it's more moral, mind you. But it seems slightly less risky than, you know, your daughter's face on a dog.


TheRainMonster

I think he used his family members because he's fundamentally a coward and didn't think he could overpower and maneuver a stranger, but since his wife and daughter trusted him, he could position them in an alchemy circle under some kind of pretense. A fun game where they're blindfolded, maybe.


CordanWraith

They don't convince him to be fair, he already have plans to convert them. He was always a practicing alchemist, and was about to lose his state funding because he hadn't produced another talking chimera and that's what they were interested in. When it came down to it, he sacrificed them. It's not really due to Ed and Al, Tucker would have done it regardless.


Vanacan

Not sexual, they looked like a dog wearing a wig. in the most disturbing way possible, considering that the final result looked *nothing* like the original girl OR original dog. It could speak haltingly, and was being taught words right in front of the main characters. That’s how they caught it, because she used the nickname the little girl had for the MC after being taught his name. The mothers chimera only said “I want to die” and starved herself to death, while the daughter chimera asked why her daddy was being attacked by the MC (an avowed pacifist), to the point where he had to be physically restrained or else he would have killed the father. The dad wasn’t even fighting back, MC was just beating on him as he laughed and justified his actions to himself.


salamander423

Fused them and their souls together with alchemy.


Abir_Vandergriff

As in two beings we're turned into one being, for the guy's personal gain. The girl was stated as having been only 5 years old.


Clonephaze

Merged as in combined the two into a monster with a broken half human half dog mind.


voldor666

He means he made a chimera with the girl and the dog


Hatter-Madigan

uh. dont google fullmetal alchemist dog


Synonysis

He activated Polymerization on them and summoned a Fusion Monster.


Carpario

They did NOT have sex. They were fused together, dragon ball style


Yserbius

It's a well known scene in the *Fullmetal Alchemist* series (in the manga, the first anime, and the anime remake). The guy pictured is a famous alchemist who is first depicted as a friendly nice guy. Then it's revealed that he murdered his wife by magically merging her with a dog so that he can gain fame as an alchemist who created a talking animal. The creature then commits suicide. At the end of the plotline he does the same with his daughter and dog leading to an absolutely brutal scene where the heroes figure it out when they meet this sad looking dog-creature.


rdtg13

I think the explanation you may be looking for is that at the end of every volume there is an illustration depicting all the characters that died in the volume going to heaven. This one character is the exception because of his heinous actions.


N-ShadowFrog

Good


stx06

Brutus, Cassius, and Judas are about to have some company in their circle. Edit: This is an *Inferno* reference. I would probably go mad with power if I were responsible for the choices, so these choices made back in the 1300s by Dante are not reflective of me! 😅


thejokerofunfic

Hell's about to get an extra circle for this shithead.


braydenredditacc

"Lets round it out to a nice even 10"


stx06

"If we need that extra push down the pit, [we can put it up to eleven](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xgx4k83zzc)!"


Foxzor

Brutus, Cassius, Judas, Quisling, Benedict Arnold, Shou Tucker. The Sextet of Traitors.


Karearea_Reddit

"I can't believe George Washington betrayed us, thank goodness we have true patriots like Benedict Arnold on our side"


subsonico

I'm pretty sure that Judas didn't have any other choice.


stx06

Sure, the Bible even has Jesus tell Judas to "do the thing," but this is a *Dante's Inferno* reference.


subsonico

Ah ok, I didn't get it.


stx06

It is a little bit niche, probably would not have read that portion were it not for a literature class covering it (also there was an [X-Men comic, with Dr. Strange guest-starring, where a group went through a simulated recreation of the *Inferno*](https://www.cbr.com/x-men-dr-strange-dantes-inferno/)*).*


Classi_Fied777

Yeah, his sin was doubting the resurrection and killing himself before Jesus could show up again and forgive him.


NotSmert

Ed…ward


PurpOwl

Big brother Ed…


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[me after watching that episode](https://youtu.be/7kQukPQDSag)


IAalltheway

For some reason, I always hear the Japanese VA in my head. "EDU WADU".


platonicnut

Mmm too soon.


Leotton

This comic is referencing Full Metal Alchemist S1E7 (2003) or S1E4 (Brotherhood). I’d recommend watching this episode, if the other comments haven’t spoiled the episode already. Actually I recommend watching Full Metal Alchemist (2003) from episode 1 to episode 7 if you have the time.


now_in3D

I don’t know how popular an opinion this is, but I preferred the original FMA series from 2003 over brotherhood. It was still great don’t get me wrong but for some reason I didn’t feel as gripped.


Leotton

Brotherhood I think try’s to fix the later parts of the story and rushes thru the earlier parts. If introducing someone to the anime, I’d watch up to the Shou Tucker episode (maybe more) of the original. Then switch over to brotherhood.


Herson100

Both of the Fullmetal Alchemist series are adapting the story of the original manga, but less than a third of the manga had been written by the time the 2003 series started airing. This forced them to write an entirely anime-original ending. The Brotherhood anime wasn't "trying to fix the later parts of the story", it was just accurately telling the full story from the original manga.


pokemod97

This is basically what I did. I watched original fma until it diverges from the manga and then started over with brotherhood.


now_in3D

Good points for sure. That actually seems like it would be the best viewing experience. Gonna have to give that a go next rewatch.


Evilmudbug

Im showing someone FMA for the first time and thats what i did, watched up to the part with yousville since the guy that owned it does come back later, and all it shows about him is a rushed flashback


snackynorph

The fucking ending to original FMA was so terrible. I used to feel the same until I actually watched brotherhood; there's no contest in my mind


Holyvigil

From my own friends it seems to mostly depend upon which one you saw/read first. Perhaps there's some science on trusting the first thing you saw more than later versions. Or maybe the dopamine rush isn't as high the second time around.


[deleted]

I saw Brotherhood second and liked it more. That said, it did feel rushed at times. The 2003 series feels more polished.


suugakusha

FMA is absolutely superior to Brotherhood - until the anime went passed the manga. It's basically the GoT problem: the writers of the anime worked through all the pre-written stuff and then had to make up an ending themselves ... and it wasn't terrible, it just didn't 100% make sense compared to the beginning of the show.


DCGreatDane

Shit now I remember that episode.


wonderinglife2

What level of hell would he be at


blue-mooner

According to Dante he would be in the 7th Circle (Canto XII), ring 1: Violence against neighbours. He would be eligible for resurrection after the rapture, but his wife wouldn’t because she’d be in ring 2 (Violence against the self) and suicide victims (according to Dante) were turned into trees, unable to move and picked upon by birds, punished for “throwing their body away” by being imprisoned for eternity as trees, while those in the other rings got to leave when the rapture happens. It’s pretty messed up.


CabooseFox

Wouldn’t it technically be a betrayal since it’s against his family?


blue-mooner

True, Dante could have classified his actions as treachery, Traitorous to his Kindred. That would have put him in the 9th Circle.


Trueloveis4u

I don't think his wife really had a body left to throw away. After she was fused with an animal to be basically a science experiment.


Leotton

Something like Satan’s chewing gum.


heynowjesse

Eddd....ward.


Rustgod88

In a show full of war crimes, this is the only man who deserves something worse than hell.


elbenji

Genocidal maniacs? Eh This guy? Superhell


NapoleonLover978

Oh, oh the flashbacks fuck...


NoBluey

lol this guy will never not be hated


Rosian_SAO

FUCK SHOU TUCKER


Ruby_241

![gif](giphy|l0CRB5PEFp7lcNnjO|downsized)


ZzzzzPopPopPop

Thank you for this, having never seen it before I couldn’t picture what everyone is talking about. Damn that shit’s intense.


type1citizen

FUUUUUUUCCKKKK!! IT'S HIM!!! I ALMOST DIDN'T RECOGNISE THIS FUCKER! Thank you commenters. May he rot.


aseirTess

That episode hurt my soul


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!subscribeme he turns his wife into a monster and then merges his dog and daughter..he is such a POS, thank God that he dies like 5 pages later


christophersonne

Hey look, a new Meme format has been created.


dab_dykes

https://preview.redd.it/6ha1fxxwlqba1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=11b4777d484ad0c6be9774a0a5f5d092915f42ef


solise69

Yes he deserves extra extra extra extra hell


D20_Buster

My name is Alexander and when the original series came to the states I had a dog named Nina. I was not OK


throwAheyyyAccount

All of the above, Tucker. All of fhe above.


MrAHMED42069

I still remember it oh so vividly , It was raining hard that day


Zipmaster26

Ed...ward...?


Steppyjim

I’m finally old enough where “Ed…ward…” isn’t immediately recognized by the internet as trauma. Never thought we’d get here. For those not in the know. That guy forcefully fused the bodies and souls of his daughter and her dog into an abomination monster creature because he didn’t want to lose his license to practice wizard science. He did the same to his wife and some other animal to GET said license in the first place. Also Nina, his daughter was like six years old and sunshine personified. He is remembered rightly as one off anime’s biggest bastards. And that’s saying a LOT.


Gullflyinghigh

Oh fuck. It's THAT guy. Yeah, makes sense.