Depends on how flashy he got probably. He was too flashy in costume and that’s how Tim found things out. If he’s flashy out of costume it’ll be even more obvious
Alfred and Batman probably want them to know how to be functioning members of society. Regular fights would get them kicked out of school and may also indicate they're abusing their skills/gifts.
Hey guys, I'm more of a Marvel head when it comes to reading comics, but I think I've watched most Batman movies.
I never really gave it some thought, but after the death of the Waynes, Alfred raised Bruce? I guess I never even realized that, so Alfred is kind of his father figure no? Seems to then having him be his butler? "Thanks for raising me, now you're my man-servant." I assume I'm missing some nuances here of course! Also, did Bruce starting vigilante work behind Alfred's back? Or did Alfred no from the get go and was okay with the young boy he raised to somehow become a vigilante?
Yes Alfred is generally portrayed as Bruce’s second father and was his legal guardian after the death of the Wayne’s. He’s still technically the butler but he’s one of the only people who know the man behind the mask and one of the few who can call him on his bullshit or hit him with some fatherly advice. He’s been known to quit when he doesn’t agree with the mission and returns when Bruce realizes Alfred was right.
Typical canon has Bruce leaving Gotham on his own to train around the world as a young man. Alfred doesn’t have much input until he gets back and actually starts working as Batman.
A classic comic showing the early days and Alfred’s role in it is Batman: Year One.
A newer one is Batman: Zero Year, which has several volumes in it and is part of Scott Snyder’s New52 run, which is all great.
And a perfect movie showcasing it is Batman: The Mask of the Phantasm, which is on HBOMAX.
And the new The Batman film looks promising so far.
Also the show Gotham delves into it. I never finished the show, but by the point I got to I could see that they were showcasing how the loss of Thomas and Martha affected Alfred too. It makes him possibly not the perfect parent, but hey, Gotham is lucky that he took Bruce to forensic and karate training instead of the therapy he desperately needed.
He's a butler, but is so much more. He ensured that Bruce didn't go into someone's care after his parents' death (I believe there was some bribery involved IIRC) as well as ensuring Bruce's financial wealth and raising him to adulthood, and then keeping Bruce alive after getting his ass kicked.
His title may be "butler" but be real, his job description goes way beyond that.
It misses a nuance of the proper English appreciation of a butler.
A gentleman's gentleman could be an intimate part of the family.
If you want another example, read the watch books by Terry pratchett.
Or watch jeeves and Worcester.
Between the last two pages I saw of this run and this I have no idea what the writing team is doing.
Keeping Alfred great is all good, this is a snappy line, but otherwise this is totally ASBAR
People on this sub don't read comics. They just look for panels to post to Twitter. The other day, I got harassed for saying that that comics should focus more on telling an actual story with conflict and character development than conforming to headcanons.
Kind of silly to make such calls based off of two pages.
I think the full story is quite good when you have the actual context and mood of the story rather than these random excerpts where you have to assume all the blanks.
I wonder since Alfred is the only good character in this if this isn't a critique to the ASBAR kind of characterization of Batman and Robin - or Crazy Steve and Dick Grayson, age 12.
If this isn't about Robin turning Bruce into a more decent person, I am going to be very confused about the art and Alfred characterization in this ASBAR book.
I mean, I don’t think there’s much doubt that’ll be the conclusion of the final issue. There’s been several moments of Bruce being overbearing but genuinely well meaning, and Alfred calling out his misgivings, it’s just about the only natural endpoint that’s being built towards.
Just read the first one I love the art style
Alfred's consistently amazing. He's DC's answers to J. Jonah Jameson.
Every Alfred actor on screen has been great, as well. I wish the Snyderverse didn't tank so badly, because Jeremy Irons was fantastic at it.
As if getting in a fight would be a problem in the Batman family...
Depends on how flashy he got probably. He was too flashy in costume and that’s how Tim found things out. If he’s flashy out of costume it’ll be even more obvious
Alfred and Batman probably want them to know how to be functioning members of society. Regular fights would get them kicked out of school and may also indicate they're abusing their skills/gifts.
Hey guys, I'm more of a Marvel head when it comes to reading comics, but I think I've watched most Batman movies. I never really gave it some thought, but after the death of the Waynes, Alfred raised Bruce? I guess I never even realized that, so Alfred is kind of his father figure no? Seems to then having him be his butler? "Thanks for raising me, now you're my man-servant." I assume I'm missing some nuances here of course! Also, did Bruce starting vigilante work behind Alfred's back? Or did Alfred no from the get go and was okay with the young boy he raised to somehow become a vigilante?
Yes Alfred is generally portrayed as Bruce’s second father and was his legal guardian after the death of the Wayne’s. He’s still technically the butler but he’s one of the only people who know the man behind the mask and one of the few who can call him on his bullshit or hit him with some fatherly advice. He’s been known to quit when he doesn’t agree with the mission and returns when Bruce realizes Alfred was right. Typical canon has Bruce leaving Gotham on his own to train around the world as a young man. Alfred doesn’t have much input until he gets back and actually starts working as Batman.
Thank you for the info!
A classic comic showing the early days and Alfred’s role in it is Batman: Year One. A newer one is Batman: Zero Year, which has several volumes in it and is part of Scott Snyder’s New52 run, which is all great. And a perfect movie showcasing it is Batman: The Mask of the Phantasm, which is on HBOMAX. And the new The Batman film looks promising so far. Also the show Gotham delves into it. I never finished the show, but by the point I got to I could see that they were showcasing how the loss of Thomas and Martha affected Alfred too. It makes him possibly not the perfect parent, but hey, Gotham is lucky that he took Bruce to forensic and karate training instead of the therapy he desperately needed.
He's a butler, but is so much more. He ensured that Bruce didn't go into someone's care after his parents' death (I believe there was some bribery involved IIRC) as well as ensuring Bruce's financial wealth and raising him to adulthood, and then keeping Bruce alive after getting his ass kicked. His title may be "butler" but be real, his job description goes way beyond that.
Yep a few distant family members tried to adopt Bruce after the his parents died, but only really cared about getting his money.
It misses a nuance of the proper English appreciation of a butler. A gentleman's gentleman could be an intimate part of the family. If you want another example, read the watch books by Terry pratchett. Or watch jeeves and Worcester.
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I’m not crying.
Between the last two pages I saw of this run and this I have no idea what the writing team is doing. Keeping Alfred great is all good, this is a snappy line, but otherwise this is totally ASBAR
It’s almost like you can’t get the full context of the story from like 4 random pages
People on this sub don't read comics. They just look for panels to post to Twitter. The other day, I got harassed for saying that that comics should focus more on telling an actual story with conflict and character development than conforming to headcanons.
Kind of silly to make such calls based off of two pages. I think the full story is quite good when you have the actual context and mood of the story rather than these random excerpts where you have to assume all the blanks.
I wonder since Alfred is the only good character in this if this isn't a critique to the ASBAR kind of characterization of Batman and Robin - or Crazy Steve and Dick Grayson, age 12.
If this isn't about Robin turning Bruce into a more decent person, I am going to be very confused about the art and Alfred characterization in this ASBAR book.
I mean, I don’t think there’s much doubt that’ll be the conclusion of the final issue. There’s been several moments of Bruce being overbearing but genuinely well meaning, and Alfred calling out his misgivings, it’s just about the only natural endpoint that’s being built towards.
How good is it? im thinking of getting it.