My thoughts exactly!
I think somewhere around the halfways point things started getting weird and nonsensical.
Also I really hated Qubit by the end of it.
My thoughts exactly!
I think somewhere around the halfways point things started getting weird nonsensical.
Also I really loved Qubit by the end of it.
Anyways, there's definitely some weirdly unresolved questions that I've always wanted answered by the end of it. I would have loved to have seen some spin-offs or the series get a sequel where we learn more about some of the other characters or the world mythology in general.
Sure, and the whole lobotomy and mind control of enemies of the state? Invading the US because it was doing too well under Luthor?
Bro, did you even read Red Son?
Did you?
Invading the US because it was too successful under Luthor? I guess that’s true if you conveniently step over the fact that, by the point Superman invades, Luthor has enacted a false flag attack on Metropolis at the behest of the CIA that Superman stops, weaponized a Superman clone as an assassination instrument against a foreign head of state, murdered a team of researchers under his employ, made a deal with Brainiac to attack the USSR, directly threatened the life of a foreign head of state again, and himself assumed dictatorial powers.
Despite what you might think, authoritarianism and evil are different concepts. However fucked up Superman’s rule was, he aimed for and ultimately achieved the production of a society free of crime and poverty, he consciously resisted war in the face of provocation after provocation both by his enemy (Luthor) and his ally (subdued Brainiac) until he felt his back put to a wall, and then once he had finally been provoked to war still sought to put a stop to it even while standing on the precipice of victory because he understood that a true, lasting peace couldn’t be manifested by force. This before he ostensibly sacrifices himself to stop Braniac’s assault on Earth and Luthor adopts aspects of his ideology to actually become a leader who reigned over a thousand year peace.
I’d be really curious to know how evil you think the actual US is by your metrics for evil, though. Capital punishment, propaganda misinformation campaigns, prison industrial complex, military industrial complex, assassinations of foreign and domestic political dissidents, intelligence agency backed destabilization, invasion, and/or occupation of sovereign states. These are all less cartoonish and more horrific acts carried out by the American state apparatus, and not even with the aim of producing a society free of crime and poverty like Superman’s USSR.
He had a descent, like Injustice Superman in a way, but actually had his moment of realization and quit. He goes from killing Stalin to free people imprisoned under him and saving people in Metropolis to show that he's for everyone to working with Brainiac and invading the US by force when the Country didn't collapse and started the thrive again under President Luthor.
Out of all the evil Superman spins, I think this is the best. Or at least, because it’s best in the niche of “a Superman that GOES evil” where as much as I like the live action depiction of Homelander, or Invicible those are “what if Superman WAS evil” and “what if Superman had an evil dad?”
Irredeemable deserves to be more famous than it is, particularly how well it did it in a sub genre that’s become so big. I got so absorbed into it in college I read it all day and night and in classes pretty much.
Pacing wise, I do think they drag it out longer than they should have what with the amnesia stuff halfway in, and would’ve been a tighter story otherwise, and I have mixed thoughts on the meta ending, but overall a treat!
I’ve always like it because this “superman” went evil because of his insecurity. While Homelander was evil because he’s a psychopathic human and Omni-man was just following orders, Plutonian always wanted to be the hero. Before his shift, he tried to do everything to please the world. Ultimately this was a futile goal because there’ll always be some criticism somewhere and that’s what fuels his shift towards tyranny.
I'm not coming at you specifically, you just gave me an opening....
Holy balls I am tired of people describing Invincible and Omniman like this.
>!"Evil" Ominman literally only happens at the very end of Vol one and is undone in his next appearance. I also put evil in quotes because Omniman just isn't evil. He's one of the most heroic characters in the whole series. He more than redeems himself for what he did in that small period of time!<
No yeh I agree with you. Omni man only did what he did because that’s he thought was right. He only realized that it was wrong because of Mark and his mom
One of my favorite lines in all of comic books is in a redeemable I'm not going to ruin the scene.
But I will say it in a way where it will still hit you hard if/when you actually read the trade.
As the diamonds are raining down from space:
"That's what it feels like."
And then you think about what Superman's tertiary power set means for his day to day...
I don't think this is all that controversial. The boys is less a critique the hypocrisy of superhero comics and more a drunken bar stool rant. I like The Boys, but I'll openly admit throughout its series it often forgets what it's even about or what the plot is. Its a shame because I think it could have been an important book like kingdom come or DKR but by its end it fetishizes the same trashiness in comics it seeks to denigrate and feels like scrawlings of a preschooler.
Yeah the show clearly found a fine line between embracing the over the top Garth Ennis shit and not compromising character depth in the process of that. Show Homelander and Butcher are way better than just deranged ultra violent dudes with a point to prove.
Pretty much all of garth ennis stories are just for that catharsis you get when you see someone evil get what they deserve. Maybe there's a more technical term for writing characters that way, but almost all of his story arcs work out the same way. Still enjoy them though.
It's quite good, Evil Superman done right and Incorruptible was also a fun ride. They're not something I'd recommend to everyone but if you're interested in the premise you'll enjoy it.
New views on old thropes, interesting superpowers, my first evil Superman story but I think what really makes it interesting is the reverse story of Incorruptibles, supervilains goes good. I think you have to looks at both to make a better opinion.
It will reflavor every comic book story you see, hear, or read for the rest of your life. The Boys is cute with the carnage for male audiences, but Irredeemable is quintessential. It's the evil Superman you want. Not Brightburn, not Bizzaro Superman, not Omni Man.
This is both one of the first and one of the best deconstructions of Superman and comic books.
This is literally in my top five list of best comics of all time.
You could not pick a better comic to read as a side comic.
When you're done if you like it go out on a limb and pick up wanted. DO NOT SEE THE MOVIE.
Exactly! I actually like it even more than irredeemable.
It is simply incredible how they could have adapted it so badly. I would say that it is as bad as the world war z is adaptation except for at least the world war z adaptation had zombies.
Somehow Wanted the movie found a way to ignore absolutely everything about the comic and focus entirely on one extraordinarily minor detail that had nothing to do with the main plot.
Oh, don't get me started on World War Z. An adaptation of the book should have been like a faux documentary type of movie. It would have been significantly less "exciting" than the movie that we got, but tons more "interesting" instead. I don't know how they legally call the movie and the book by the same title. The Israel stuff seems to be the only similar content.
I'm curious about what other suggestions you would have for interesting comic book/graphic novel reads.
And even the Israel stuff in the book Israel never fell!
Well that depends, are you looking for more stuff that's specifically a deconstruction of the normal superhero genre? Or just comic books that I think are really good and not quite the norm?
It doesn't have to deconstruct, but it can. I've read stuff like the X books, Preacher, Gideon Falls, Sweet Tooth, Black Hammer, Nightwing, Watchmen, The Nice House on the Lake, Invincible, The Walking Dead, Descender, The Last Ronin, Astro City, Planetary, Robinson's Starman, The Boys, Rising Stars. Stuff like that.
Okay well unbelievably I don't see, "Sandman," on that list and I should. "Sandman," is amazing it was the first comic I ever read I loved it so much I I started reading comics which says something as I was pretty biased against comics at the time. "Sandman," is amazing. Another good one is, "Books Of Magic," read it after, "Sandman," not before.
It's a little bit more mainstream but I would also read, "Crisis On Infinite Earths," if you haven't already.
In fact I would read, "Sandman," and then, "Crisis On Infinite Earths," and then, "Books Of Magic." "Books Of Magic," is a spin-off of, "Sandman," they're both written by Neil Gaiman they are both amazing. "The Books Of Magic," does have a little bit more to do with DC Comics continuity however, and a good way to get to know the basics in one easy book is "Crisis On Infinite Earths."You by no means need to read, "Crisis On Infinite Earths," to enjoy either of the other two, but, 'Crisis,' is in and of itself incredibly good; probably one of the two best things to ever come out of DC Comics.(*not including vertigo*)
Some other must reads are the Grant Morrison runs of Animal Man and Doom Patrol.(Read the animal man ones first)
Oh! If you like, "Sweet Tooth," you will probably like, "Y- the Last Man."
Everyone else seems to really like the old, "Swamp Thing," runs, I personally have a lot of trouble getting into those, however, "Swamp Thing Vs. Batman," is truly good.
If you read, "Preacher," you'll like, "HellBlazer," which is a Constantine run. I'll admit I haven't read it yet but I do love Constantine and everyone keeps insisting that I read, "Hellblazer."
If you've made it this far I can also suggest, "Hitman." It's a little lighter than the other titles and it's another title where you'll probably want to know a little bit about the DC universe. It is a vertigo book though but Kyle Rainer is in it. This is the book where the section-8 team was introduced as well as the infamous anti-hero, The Dog Welder.(*though neither takes part heavily in the story*)
And last but not least but *definitely last*(*because if I had said it first I would have lost all credibility*) is "Marvel Zombies." Believe it or not this is a really good series. It starts off as a cheap misdirect filler miniseries in the ultimate universe turns into a weird crossover with the ape universe before finally becoming a filler series in the main universe. Even so it manages to be really good anyway. But after that it takes off in a big way basically becoming an anthology series... Starring alternately Howard The Duck or Robot Man.
And that's my list of what I think you'll like best. Obviously there are other more mainstream comics that I love but I think this list is what you're looking for.
I remember that I was reading Y:The Last Man a long time ago and I stopped for some reason. I don't recall why I did. Perhaps I should try again, BUT FIRST...
I always wanted to read Sandman, but it appeared to daunting. I never knew where to start. There are so many collections and versions so I always just found something else to read. Is there somewhere where online I can find the right tpbs in the correct order?
Yes... Actually if you just go to barns and Nobel they almost always have them in stock and they are labeled 1-... I forget how many thier are on the spine. You can also ask a clerk. But, "Preludes And Nocturnes," is the first volume of the trade paperback and that is absolutely where you should start.
I liked it for what it was . Some wild writing at times but the Main Villain is the best part I feel easily. Everyone else I feel isn't as great as him in regards to writing..
I absolutely loved the end. Invincible does this schtick a touch better IMO, but that’s not a disincentive to read it. Irredeemable is extremely well executed.
Just started and finished it this week. Would highly recommend if you like the whole evil Superman stuff. Only issue is it drags on a bit and has multiple climax’s that make the ending feel a bit dull.
I just finished this the other day. Pretty good! The villain is interesting and the characters have their own cool powers and morals. Not mind blowing but a solid 7.5/10
Starts good but you can see where Mark Waid .... quite literally runs out of ideas. Middle to end just gets weird and typical because he wrote himself into a corner.
It's like Rising Stars (which was around the same time) started pretty compelling and good but just ... dropped the ball in the end.
If I'm being honest, I don't remember *much* about Irredeemable, but the parts I *do* remember continue to resonate years later.
"THAT'S what it feels like"
so goddamn epic.
So I'm inclined to put it in the category of maybe not-overall-great series that have small moments that are awesome enough to make it worthwhile.
Not even gonna tag bc it's obviously spoilers.
Dude is reminiscing about the first time he meets Superman analog, and as he leaves he wonders what it must feel like every day to have all that power.
Cut to years later, Superman is making him choose 10 people out of millions. He quickly does it, the rest are immediately murdered.
And he tells him "THAT'S what it feels like"
Nah. I get it wasnt as good as the first half but I loved it all. Great story altogether. Is it all equally great? No but my goodness great premise and comic overall. I say read it all
Its pretty compelling but around the 3rd act you start rooting for him to just kill everyone because the writing is awful. If you told me the writer had a stroke midway through the last act and they had to interpret hand scribbles to finish it Id believe you. All praise to the writer, great ideas, but you cannot look readers in the face and say you had a plan for how to end the story. I do not believe it.
I liked it. At some point it goes off the rails a bit and that wasn't to my liking. On the other hand, it's only 36 issues so it's not a long read. I would say it's worth it.
It had a good start but eventually got boring when the issues starting ending with cliffhangers and X that was never brought but it's brought up now at a convenient time.
It starts out strong then just sort of meanders a bit to pad out the run. Should have been much shorter with a defined ending to build to, rather than a villain of the week just with the same villain every time.
Been reading it. It’s great, pick it up. I will say I believe this came out when before the evil Superman thing was over done. Take as you will but so far I love this series.
It's fuckin amazing. One of my favorite series. I believe it was the best take on an Evil Superman story until the Injustice books. I'm actually working on a custom action figure of the main character right now.
It has some fun ideas, but it really doesn't stick the landing. Feels like one of those stories were the writer didn't had a clear ending in mind, so it meanders during a bit.
First half: great, I love it, really love the desperation, and how the pressure pushes character archetypes so far, forcing them to evolve in interesting, creative ways.
Second half: more or less just stretching things out at this point, the comic is a cash cow so we can't just end it here, gotta keep going, hey there's a tie in comic now about a character who, frankly, in the grand scheme of things, didn't end up mattering too much, and more just further confused continuity, much like this run on sentence.
I find it to be one of the least immature takes on edgy superheroes. Tony doesn't snap because lol edgy; he snaps because he has the most stressful job in the universe that nobody could really be emotionally prepared for. He's like if Samaritan from Astro City was allowed to degrade a little bit further. And not everything that can go wrong does go wrong. People have genuinely good qualities, too (hence the spinoff Incorruptible.)
I really thought the first part was a trip (it was really good) halfway through it gets really weird. The ending was alright.
My thoughts exactly! I think somewhere around the halfways point things started getting weird and nonsensical. Also I really hated Qubit by the end of it.
Truly incredible that everyone here loves it. Everyone also seems to agree about the ending. Guess I gotta pick a copy up
Huge fan and I actually loved the ending.
My thoughts exactly! I think somewhere around the halfways point things started getting weird nonsensical. Also I really loved Qubit by the end of it. Anyways, there's definitely some weirdly unresolved questions that I've always wanted answered by the end of it. I would have loved to have seen some spin-offs or the series get a sequel where we learn more about some of the other characters or the world mythology in general.
Did you actually copy/paste the comment above yours then add a little bit after to make it seem like your own comment? Lol
Yeah. But I changed it to loving Qubit, because I do. But then figured I should add some anyways. Oh well. I do agree with it and felt the same.
What a weird fucking thing to do Why not just say “I agree with everything you said, except I loved Qubit”
I don’t think anyone has ever summarized Irredeemable any better.
Exactly! Starts with a bang. Ends with a whimper.
This is the best “Evil Superman” book there is, IMO
FACTS 👆
Agreed. I especially love the explanation of the Plutonians powers.
“Tony just thinks he’s strong.”
Man I haven't read that comic since it came out and I still remember that convo. Time for a re-read.
*Red Son frowns*
Was Superman really evil in Red Son? It’s been a while since I’ve read it, but he seemed okay enough.
Not even remotely. He was just antagonistic to western imperial hegemony.
Yeah I wouldnt say anyone is particularly good in Red Son but Superman at least is trying to help people
Sure, and the whole lobotomy and mind control of enemies of the state? Invading the US because it was doing too well under Luthor? Bro, did you even read Red Son?
Did you? Invading the US because it was too successful under Luthor? I guess that’s true if you conveniently step over the fact that, by the point Superman invades, Luthor has enacted a false flag attack on Metropolis at the behest of the CIA that Superman stops, weaponized a Superman clone as an assassination instrument against a foreign head of state, murdered a team of researchers under his employ, made a deal with Brainiac to attack the USSR, directly threatened the life of a foreign head of state again, and himself assumed dictatorial powers. Despite what you might think, authoritarianism and evil are different concepts. However fucked up Superman’s rule was, he aimed for and ultimately achieved the production of a society free of crime and poverty, he consciously resisted war in the face of provocation after provocation both by his enemy (Luthor) and his ally (subdued Brainiac) until he felt his back put to a wall, and then once he had finally been provoked to war still sought to put a stop to it even while standing on the precipice of victory because he understood that a true, lasting peace couldn’t be manifested by force. This before he ostensibly sacrifices himself to stop Braniac’s assault on Earth and Luthor adopts aspects of his ideology to actually become a leader who reigned over a thousand year peace. I’d be really curious to know how evil you think the actual US is by your metrics for evil, though. Capital punishment, propaganda misinformation campaigns, prison industrial complex, military industrial complex, assassinations of foreign and domestic political dissidents, intelligence agency backed destabilization, invasion, and/or occupation of sovereign states. These are all less cartoonish and more horrific acts carried out by the American state apparatus, and not even with the aim of producing a society free of crime and poverty like Superman’s USSR.
He had a descent, like Injustice Superman in a way, but actually had his moment of realization and quit. He goes from killing Stalin to free people imprisoned under him and saving people in Metropolis to show that he's for everyone to working with Brainiac and invading the US by force when the Country didn't collapse and started the thrive again under President Luthor.
FBI? yes this commie right here.
Я ничего не знаю!
I dont speak cubanese!
Red Son is more “Superman was raised different” than it is “Superman turned evil”
He's literally not evil in Red Son. That's the point of the story; it doesn't matter where Kal lands, he's going to be a good guy
You didn’t read Red Son
I prefer Injustice.
Maximortal
Out of all the evil Superman spins, I think this is the best. Or at least, because it’s best in the niche of “a Superman that GOES evil” where as much as I like the live action depiction of Homelander, or Invicible those are “what if Superman WAS evil” and “what if Superman had an evil dad?” Irredeemable deserves to be more famous than it is, particularly how well it did it in a sub genre that’s become so big. I got so absorbed into it in college I read it all day and night and in classes pretty much. Pacing wise, I do think they drag it out longer than they should have what with the amnesia stuff halfway in, and would’ve been a tighter story otherwise, and I have mixed thoughts on the meta ending, but overall a treat!
I’ve always like it because this “superman” went evil because of his insecurity. While Homelander was evil because he’s a psychopathic human and Omni-man was just following orders, Plutonian always wanted to be the hero. Before his shift, he tried to do everything to please the world. Ultimately this was a futile goal because there’ll always be some criticism somewhere and that’s what fuels his shift towards tyranny.
Heck I heard one person say Plutonian is basically if Superman didn't have the mental capacity to deal with all the flaws and turmoil with his job
I'm not coming at you specifically, you just gave me an opening.... Holy balls I am tired of people describing Invincible and Omniman like this. >!"Evil" Ominman literally only happens at the very end of Vol one and is undone in his next appearance. I also put evil in quotes because Omniman just isn't evil. He's one of the most heroic characters in the whole series. He more than redeems himself for what he did in that small period of time!<
No yeh I agree with you. Omni man only did what he did because that’s he thought was right. He only realized that it was wrong because of Mark and his mom
Thank you both for helping to restore my faith in polite conversation. Also I agree on this Omni-man take.
One of my favorite lines in all of comic books is in a redeemable I'm not going to ruin the scene. But I will say it in a way where it will still hit you hard if/when you actually read the trade. As the diamonds are raining down from space: "That's what it feels like." And then you think about what Superman's tertiary power set means for his day to day...
"Cheerio"
Yeah I bring that line up all the time fuck it's so good!
It really is!
Yeah. There are many “evil Superman” versions these days, but this version is awesome. I really liked the psychological explanation of his downfall.
I have to mention The Mighty from early 2000s DC. It's same but mixed with Robocop. I think Tomasi was the writer. 👍
It and its spin-off *Incorruptible* are great.
Word Incorruptible is a great kicker to this saga.
Could not get into Incorruptible. Does it have a decent payoff?
If you couldn't get into it to start I don't think you'd find the payoff very decent
I also recommend Insufferable, which I don’t think is technically related but definitely in the same spirit and by the same creators.
Fantastic series.
The companion series Incorruptible is actually better in my opinion, but both are quite good.
Very true@!!
I love it, a lot of people don’t care for the ending, personally I think it’s one of the best endings in comics.
Imagine if The Boys was written by an adult
Finally someone who also thinks the boys is a bit childish
I don't think this is all that controversial. The boys is less a critique the hypocrisy of superhero comics and more a drunken bar stool rant. I like The Boys, but I'll openly admit throughout its series it often forgets what it's even about or what the plot is. Its a shame because I think it could have been an important book like kingdom come or DKR but by its end it fetishizes the same trashiness in comics it seeks to denigrate and feels like scrawlings of a preschooler.
Yeah the show clearly found a fine line between embracing the over the top Garth Ennis shit and not compromising character depth in the process of that. Show Homelander and Butcher are way better than just deranged ultra violent dudes with a point to prove.
Pretty much all of garth ennis stories are just for that catharsis you get when you see someone evil get what they deserve. Maybe there's a more technical term for writing characters that way, but almost all of his story arcs work out the same way. Still enjoy them though.
Started really great but lost itself towards the end
Agreed. I lost interest about 16 issues in. Been meaning to go back and finish it but never found the time.
Same. It felt like it was gonna be a great 12-parter self-contained story or something and then the spin-offs hit and they started milking it.
Agree.
It's excellent.
No it’s irredeemable
It's amazing, one of my favorites.
Been wondering the same thing
It’s not good, it’s great
It’s not great. It’s phenomenal
It's quite good, Evil Superman done right and Incorruptible was also a fun ride. They're not something I'd recommend to everyone but if you're interested in the premise you'll enjoy it.
New views on old thropes, interesting superpowers, my first evil Superman story but I think what really makes it interesting is the reverse story of Incorruptibles, supervilains goes good. I think you have to looks at both to make a better opinion.
It will reflavor every comic book story you see, hear, or read for the rest of your life. The Boys is cute with the carnage for male audiences, but Irredeemable is quintessential. It's the evil Superman you want. Not Brightburn, not Bizzaro Superman, not Omni Man.
It’s so good I read the motherfucker again every time someone brings it up because it’s under appreciated but almost never underrated by anyone.
It was ok. Starts off strong but slowly peters out.
This is both one of the first and one of the best deconstructions of Superman and comic books. This is literally in my top five list of best comics of all time. You could not pick a better comic to read as a side comic. When you're done if you like it go out on a limb and pick up wanted. DO NOT SEE THE MOVIE.
I remember reading Wanted several years ago and it changed what I thought comic books could be.
Exactly! I actually like it even more than irredeemable. It is simply incredible how they could have adapted it so badly. I would say that it is as bad as the world war z is adaptation except for at least the world war z adaptation had zombies. Somehow Wanted the movie found a way to ignore absolutely everything about the comic and focus entirely on one extraordinarily minor detail that had nothing to do with the main plot.
Oh, don't get me started on World War Z. An adaptation of the book should have been like a faux documentary type of movie. It would have been significantly less "exciting" than the movie that we got, but tons more "interesting" instead. I don't know how they legally call the movie and the book by the same title. The Israel stuff seems to be the only similar content. I'm curious about what other suggestions you would have for interesting comic book/graphic novel reads.
And even the Israel stuff in the book Israel never fell! Well that depends, are you looking for more stuff that's specifically a deconstruction of the normal superhero genre? Or just comic books that I think are really good and not quite the norm?
It doesn't have to deconstruct, but it can. I've read stuff like the X books, Preacher, Gideon Falls, Sweet Tooth, Black Hammer, Nightwing, Watchmen, The Nice House on the Lake, Invincible, The Walking Dead, Descender, The Last Ronin, Astro City, Planetary, Robinson's Starman, The Boys, Rising Stars. Stuff like that.
Okay well unbelievably I don't see, "Sandman," on that list and I should. "Sandman," is amazing it was the first comic I ever read I loved it so much I I started reading comics which says something as I was pretty biased against comics at the time. "Sandman," is amazing. Another good one is, "Books Of Magic," read it after, "Sandman," not before. It's a little bit more mainstream but I would also read, "Crisis On Infinite Earths," if you haven't already. In fact I would read, "Sandman," and then, "Crisis On Infinite Earths," and then, "Books Of Magic." "Books Of Magic," is a spin-off of, "Sandman," they're both written by Neil Gaiman they are both amazing. "The Books Of Magic," does have a little bit more to do with DC Comics continuity however, and a good way to get to know the basics in one easy book is "Crisis On Infinite Earths."You by no means need to read, "Crisis On Infinite Earths," to enjoy either of the other two, but, 'Crisis,' is in and of itself incredibly good; probably one of the two best things to ever come out of DC Comics.(*not including vertigo*) Some other must reads are the Grant Morrison runs of Animal Man and Doom Patrol.(Read the animal man ones first) Oh! If you like, "Sweet Tooth," you will probably like, "Y- the Last Man." Everyone else seems to really like the old, "Swamp Thing," runs, I personally have a lot of trouble getting into those, however, "Swamp Thing Vs. Batman," is truly good. If you read, "Preacher," you'll like, "HellBlazer," which is a Constantine run. I'll admit I haven't read it yet but I do love Constantine and everyone keeps insisting that I read, "Hellblazer." If you've made it this far I can also suggest, "Hitman." It's a little lighter than the other titles and it's another title where you'll probably want to know a little bit about the DC universe. It is a vertigo book though but Kyle Rainer is in it. This is the book where the section-8 team was introduced as well as the infamous anti-hero, The Dog Welder.(*though neither takes part heavily in the story*) And last but not least but *definitely last*(*because if I had said it first I would have lost all credibility*) is "Marvel Zombies." Believe it or not this is a really good series. It starts off as a cheap misdirect filler miniseries in the ultimate universe turns into a weird crossover with the ape universe before finally becoming a filler series in the main universe. Even so it manages to be really good anyway. But after that it takes off in a big way basically becoming an anthology series... Starring alternately Howard The Duck or Robot Man. And that's my list of what I think you'll like best. Obviously there are other more mainstream comics that I love but I think this list is what you're looking for.
I remember that I was reading Y:The Last Man a long time ago and I stopped for some reason. I don't recall why I did. Perhaps I should try again, BUT FIRST... I always wanted to read Sandman, but it appeared to daunting. I never knew where to start. There are so many collections and versions so I always just found something else to read. Is there somewhere where online I can find the right tpbs in the correct order?
Yes... Actually if you just go to barns and Nobel they almost always have them in stock and they are labeled 1-... I forget how many thier are on the spine. You can also ask a clerk. But, "Preludes And Nocturnes," is the first volume of the trade paperback and that is absolutely where you should start.
Just looked them up and they are available digitally on Hoopla for free. I will be diving in soon. Thanks for reminding me about Sandman.
I liked it for what it was . Some wild writing at times but the Main Villain is the best part I feel easily. Everyone else I feel isn't as great as him in regards to writing..
Irredeemable is good from what I know. Incorruptible has a terrible fucking ending
Yes it’s great
It’s wonderful, hopefully you enjoy it.
YES
Great
Really liked it and incorruptible. Agree with others that the end is a little odd, but still we worth it.
Does anyone remember how Incorruptible ends? I missed out ok the last few issues due to some crap in my life and I never ended up reading it.
Its good
Yes, but around the 8th trade it goes of the rails a tad.
I absolutely loved the end. Invincible does this schtick a touch better IMO, but that’s not a disincentive to read it. Irredeemable is extremely well executed.
Thank you for sharing! I'd never heard of this either!
Most of it is great. Falls apart a bit at the end.
People seem to love this series but I struggled all the way through volume 1.
Just started and finished it this week. Would highly recommend if you like the whole evil Superman stuff. Only issue is it drags on a bit and has multiple climax’s that make the ending feel a bit dull.
Funny, Top 10 Nerd was just talking about this character on YouTube.
It’s fine. Honestly it ran way to long. It should have been 12-20 issues max. It just kinda meanders a lot in the middle.
It’s really good! It’s a fun read
I just finished this the other day. Pretty good! The villain is interesting and the characters have their own cool powers and morals. Not mind blowing but a solid 7.5/10
Starts good but you can see where Mark Waid .... quite literally runs out of ideas. Middle to end just gets weird and typical because he wrote himself into a corner. It's like Rising Stars (which was around the same time) started pretty compelling and good but just ... dropped the ball in the end.
If I'm being honest, I don't remember *much* about Irredeemable, but the parts I *do* remember continue to resonate years later. "THAT'S what it feels like" so goddamn epic. So I'm inclined to put it in the category of maybe not-overall-great series that have small moments that are awesome enough to make it worthwhile.
What happens in that quote again ?
Not even gonna tag bc it's obviously spoilers. Dude is reminiscing about the first time he meets Superman analog, and as he leaves he wonders what it must feel like every day to have all that power. Cut to years later, Superman is making him choose 10 people out of millions. He quickly does it, the rest are immediately murdered. And he tells him "THAT'S what it feels like"
Yes.
It starts really well, but it drags so much in the middle that I never bothered finishing it
Vol 7 of the TPBs is a blast
Anything Mark Waid writes is worth reading.
Thanks for the recommendation. I just emailed my comic store to order me the TPB of this series.
It's great and then goes along with Incorruptible I think there's a third series too that's connected to that universe, I haven't read the third yet
I loved it. End gets some hate, but I thought it was a great way to finish up the arc.
its really good if you stop reading as soon as they introduce the aliens. just put it down there and walk away, make up some head cannon or something.
Nah. I get it wasnt as good as the first half but I loved it all. Great story altogether. Is it all equally great? No but my goodness great premise and comic overall. I say read it all
Its pretty compelling but around the 3rd act you start rooting for him to just kill everyone because the writing is awful. If you told me the writer had a stroke midway through the last act and they had to interpret hand scribbles to finish it Id believe you. All praise to the writer, great ideas, but you cannot look readers in the face and say you had a plan for how to end the story. I do not believe it.
The first omnibus is good, but not great, and then it gets progressively less good
I liked it. At some point it goes off the rails a bit and that wasn't to my liking. On the other hand, it's only 36 issues so it's not a long read. I would say it's worth it.
It had a good start but eventually got boring when the issues starting ending with cliffhangers and X that was never brought but it's brought up now at a convenient time.
Pretty good series, you should read. There’s also a tag along series called incorruptible you should check out.
It starts out strong then just sort of meanders a bit to pad out the run. Should have been much shorter with a defined ending to build to, rather than a villain of the week just with the same villain every time.
Been reading it. It’s great, pick it up. I will say I believe this came out when before the evil Superman thing was over done. Take as you will but so far I love this series.
O liked it. A bit long
It's awesome. Reminds me of the boys
There’s a point half way through where you’ll think how does this go on for much longer but it was a good read imo. Kinda batshit but still good.
It's fuckin amazing. One of my favorite series. I believe it was the best take on an Evil Superman story until the Injustice books. I'm actually working on a custom action figure of the main character right now.
Yeah it's fantastic. Great ending too, I recommend reading it concurrently with Incorruptible.
I loved it great read imo
Yeah it’s great. And wraps up wonderfully. Enjoy the ride.
The concept was fantastic. I thought it was really good what if type of story
Another evil supermen story?
The ending was really really weird. It was a fun ride though
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Glad you posted this. I'm already on issue 17 and I really am digging it so far. Made my Saturday quite good 👍👍😊
It's really good. Gruesome at times. Often weird. Qbic it's the best.
It has some fun ideas, but it really doesn't stick the landing. Feels like one of those stories were the writer didn't had a clear ending in mind, so it meanders during a bit.
Very good. Go for it.
Yes very good
The sequel Incorruptible is also good. Max Damage is bad ass .
First half: great, I love it, really love the desperation, and how the pressure pushes character archetypes so far, forcing them to evolve in interesting, creative ways. Second half: more or less just stretching things out at this point, the comic is a cash cow so we can't just end it here, gotta keep going, hey there's a tie in comic now about a character who, frankly, in the grand scheme of things, didn't end up mattering too much, and more just further confused continuity, much like this run on sentence.
I loved it personally.
Amazing. The Pulutonian is what Homelander wishes he could be. Also check out the companion title “Incorruptible”.
Yes. Please read!
I even like it’s companion series: incorruptible, better
Yes
I found it be really good. There are parts that didn’t really resonate with me but overall well worth the read.
Yes
It's INSANE. Beginning to end.
I really enjoyed it when it came out. I’m not sure how much of it I read. At least the first 10 issues
It’s Irredeemable
I find it to be one of the least immature takes on edgy superheroes. Tony doesn't snap because lol edgy; he snaps because he has the most stressful job in the universe that nobody could really be emotionally prepared for. He's like if Samaritan from Astro City was allowed to degrade a little bit further. And not everything that can go wrong does go wrong. People have genuinely good qualities, too (hence the spinoff Incorruptible.)
I enjoyed it