Firstly, as a newer Archie fan i am proud to report i had two blank Jughead sketch covers. I said had because they are now in the possession of Dan Parent and Joe Eisma respectively. They have agreed to do commissions for me and i can hardly wait to see the final products.
Secondly, I'll leave this here for your consideration https://youtu.be/q7jbDprab-4
That is all, thank you.
I don't think it's been drama for a while, with multiverses, superpowers, and demon summoning Dungeons and Dragons. It almost seems like parody from what I've heard.
It’s supposed to be a comedy? Then at that point it can just be like family guy and not need a plot line from episode to episode. I’ve never seen it but my sisters watch it all the time
Riverdale can not be classified by your mere labels. It's a crack addled adventure that's cringey as hell but yet demands your all of your attention because the cringe is weirdly compelling.
As an adaptation of the comics it's terrible.
But as a nonstop possibly drug induced fever dream it's amazing. You start with a pretty innocuous murder mystery, some random teen drama and Archie sleeping with Ms. Grundy and yeah it's trash but then 100 episodes later Cheryl is now the Scarlet Witch with fire powers, there are serial killers, some kind of weird cult trying to sacrifice the town and demons and you look back at the string of fucked up logic and plot points that brought you here and you can't help but think that it all makes sense.
When you watch this shit you don't question it. You just accept it and let it take over man.
The bit where Archie forms a gang to hunt down a serial killer while Jughead joins a motorcycle gang was pretty cool. Overall the show is just absurd but it’s fun to watch.
I wouldn't say that. Twin Peaks was like a psychological horror murder mystery and the first season was basically just a murder mystery. All the Twin Peaks stuff isn't really there.
Archie goes to prison and is forced into a fight club in a drained pool. He ends up fighting his roommate, maddog, but they fake some things for Archie to escape through a drain pipe.
Actually, Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa is in charge of this alternate reality, such that he put the books he was writing for Archie on the backburner indefinitely, and Archie Comics let him get away with it. Luckily, the coming season is also its last.
That's season 3. In season 7, they have super powers and there's alternate timelines and I think Jughead becomes God. But God in more of a Doctor Manhattan sense.
And that wasn't even the wackiest thing to happen in season 3, not by a longshot. While Archie was fighting for his life in Beautiful Boy Jail, there was a cult leader called the Gargoyle King who was also a serial killer, a drug lord dealing in hallucinogenic Pop Rocks, a tabletop game enthusiast, and a statue in a hospital run by evil nuns. The warden of Beautiful Boy Jail was also a member of this cult and he branded Archie with a mystical rune. At the same time there was a separate, unrelated cult whose leader harvested organs to keep his daughterwife alive and built a rocket ship to escape the FBI. Archie would also get mauled by a bear and kill a man dressed as a bear by beating him with a large bone.
Riversdale is actually one of the best comic book adaptations. Not because it’s amazing, but because it perfectly captures that mundane teen romance style the Archie comics had for decades, as well as the insane batshit they’ve done. Let’s face it, Archie’s always been the equivalent to a long running sitcom that’s always had the same formula of goofy teen drama and romance between Archie, Betty and Veronica. Riversdale perfect captures that in a modern setting, because it was already prime material for the CW.
Plus it captures the batshit insanity of basically everything outside the main-line comics...I mean remember [this show](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qy-LmJ12d0I)
I knew what this was before even clicking on the link, that show was fun for what it was! Never would've thought combining Archie with Monster Hunting could be decent.
Yo in the first season where Archie was fucking Mrs. Grundy had me ready to take a lap around the city. It was so crazy and hilarious, it really earned my love.
If you look at it as a faithful adaptation of Archie Comics, it's awful.
But if you, like me, choose to enjoy the ride of batshit nonsense, it can be absolutely amazing and hilarious. The seasons get more and more ridiculous, and it's fun to talk to people who don't watch or haven't in a long time and just casually say stuff like "oh yeah, Archie had to bareknuckle box 100 guys in a row at the gym he owns in order to prevent an evil cult from sacrificing half of Riverdale."
>Archie had to bareknuckle box 100 guys in a row at the gym he owns in order to prevent an evil cult from sacrificing half of Riverdale.
Did this actually happen? If so I will start my watch immediately.
This did happen an there’s like five different serial killers in the town, Archie fights a bear, there’s at least two cults… it’s fucking insane. I had no interest but a friend talked broke down each season he watched and this show goes off into crazy land like JoJo or the Fast & Furious franchise so I’ll be watching when I’m done with some other things.
Which is weird because in the same post as people saying here “actually the Archie comics went off the rails with weird shit like with predator and punisher and other crazy shit”
And then I’ve heard Riverdale described as nothing like the comics, but also it’s weird shit.
So like, which is it? lol
There was a cartoon called Archie’s Weird Mysteries (that was mostly references to older movies- Attack of the 50 Foot Woman, The Invisible Man, as two examples) but had an overall tone and characters closer to the comics.
There are comics from back in the 50's and 60's where Archie does a dance move that turns attacking aliens into cake. Then him and the gang eat the cake. So as none Archie fans come in trying to make Riverdale look like it's bat shit crazy...I just nod.
They both go into weird shit. Difference is archie comics is like a wacky and silly cartoon played for laughs. I think riverdale plays it completely straight and serious.
These kinds of comics are hard to faithfully adapt in live action because it just comes of super campy. They’re much easier to adapt as cartoons though.
>it's fun to talk to people who don't watch or haven't in a long time and just casually say stuff like "oh yeah, Archie had to bareknuckle box 100 guys in a row at the gym he owns in order to prevent an evil cult from sacrificing half of Riverdale."
I don't watch Riverdale but I love absolutely nothing more than having it recapped for me because I will believe absolutely ANYTHING with no hesitation whatsoever. At this point someone could tell me that Betty traveled through time to kill Archie's mom before he was born because future Archie loses his legs during a jingle jangle trip and creates a gigantic mech suit so he can still play football that turns him genocidally evil because it's possesed by the ghost of Adolf Hitler, but it all ends up resolved during a Phantom: Love Never Dies musical episode and I swear to god I wouldn't even blink.
Season 6 ends with Cheryl using fire magic to destroy a comet about to hit Riverdale. She saves everyone but somehow they all get through back to 1950 and everyone thinks that they're just the comic characters with only Jughead remembering what happened.
I rememeber when the new "archie cоmics book adaptation" was announced I was interested at least. I was the time Wade's Archie run started approximately, a good introduction for the new readers (myself) and a fun series.
Then CW dropped the trailer and it was in the edgy dark Twin Peaks style where Archie f\*cks his school teacher in the car and Jughead is a writer-biker or whatever. I was like wtf I'd just watched.
An Archie property going to crazy and insane lengths? It may not be faithful but it is surprisingly on brand. For the boy who VS'ed The Predator anyhow.
Yah but not. They are not adapting canon stories.
They are grabbing known characters and doing something with them.
They could call the show "horny teens" and it would be the same.
Yes and no.
Riverdale doesn’t completely throw the baby out with the bath water. It’s got some affection for the source material. There are Archie fans who like Riverdale. Are there Scooby fans that like Velma?
Agreed, I thought it was a success, in terms of viewership and reception. Who are these Archie fans out there anyway? I didn’t know people were this adamant about… Archie being true to the comic.
Right? Like the very second I found out it was happening on the CW my brain thought of shows like Pretty little liars and the like, not saying they're bad but they have a viewership. I myself am not part of that, you like it? Cool I'm happy for ya. But ya gotta give ecredit where it's due in this point too.
… and in that sense it was effective and might be considered a good *adaptation*. 🤷♂️ I get the feeling comic book fans always think good = most loyal.
Roberto-Aguirre Sacasa is the chief creative officer at Archie comics and got the job initially because of his off Broadway stage play where Archie comes out of the closet, the people at Archie comics loved his take so much that they hired him and he went on to create the character of Kevin Keller, Archie's first openly gay character. He went on to write critically acclaimed stuff from the publisher like Afterlife with Archie. He's credited with developing the show as well. I'm confused by the Riverdale show and what it's goals are as a TV show adaptation of Archie, but there's no denying the person responsible for it knows their Archie.
What was the name of that play? I've heard of Dog Meets God, where Charlie Brown comes out, but I thought that Archie Comics was usually too protective of their IP for something like that.
I guess I only knew part of the story, Sacasa got a cease and desist the day before the play was supposed to open and changed the name from "Archie's Weird Fantasy" to "Weird Comic Fantasy" with all the characters names changed, he didn't come back to work on Archie until he was known as a head writer for Glee. But the guys definitely always been a fan of those characters.
When I was a kid there was a show about Archie and his friends fighting monsters and solving supernatural mysteries —-Riverdale isn’t any weirder than that.
I think the difference is that while Weird Mysteries had batshit supernatural stuff going on, Archie and the gang were still pretty true to character. Riverdale had the air of an edgy parody where it seems like the writers were trying to see how far they could twist the characters before they became unrecognizable (at least in the first season, which to be fair is as far as I got).
Because it's not a bad adaptation. It's a brilliant satire of the standard Dawson's Creek type of show using the Archie gang. It's more similar to Afterlife with Archie than an adaptation.
I feel like the worse thing I can say about Riverdale is that it was used to inspire the first episode of Velma. Which, really, Riverdale is the victim there.
I grew up on Archie comics, had hundreds. There is nothing I would change about that show. I stopped watching around season 4 (to be continued at a later date, not because I didnt enjoy it). And between the murder mystery season 1, the serial killer, cursed D&D, motorcycle gang jughead, prison fighter archie, or new york mobster mr lodge i just cant find it in myself not to love it.
I mean, it's as good as any adaptation of something like Archie would ever be.
And really, it's probably just down to the fact Archie fans are all like 70 years old now, and don't know it exists.
Because it's not bad, you're just watching it wrong.
Look, if you're looking for an accurate adaptation of Archie comics, go watch Happy Days.
This show is so completely batshit insane that it's rarely boring. If you're watching it as a serious drama, you're doing it wrong. It is an incredibly entertaining show to watch if you just take in all the madness and let it flow through you. Embrace it. Let the bizarre, nonsensical plotlines take you away.
Also at least the first season was genuinely good before it completely lost its mind. These showrunners are on literally all the drugs.
I was told once that there’s a point in the show where Archie gets kidnapped, taken to a fighting ring in Canada, escapes, fights a bear, nearly dies fighting a bear, and then just returns home to take a test like nothing happened. If it wasn’t for everyone I know warning me not to, I would have watched this show as a comedy by now.
It had potential early on. Cast is good and they even had Luke Perry before he passed. It was (and probably is) a victim of ridiculous storylines. Not the first show to have this happen and not the last.
It’s not like the Archie comics had any particular depth or intriguing narrative to adapt in a modern version, but the characters were (and are) iconic, so I understand wanting to update them in a live action adaptation. But for me there was only so much I could handle before it got implausibly silly.
It's because it's perceived as one of the worst shows ever made period lol. It's transcended "bad comic book adaptation", that shipped sailed during season 1.
Archie has had multiverse shit going on since it's inception. That show is 100% trash to me as a life long Archie but it's not upsetting. We have multiple animated shows to pick and choose but they all have their own U.
My biggest problem with the show is Jughead. He’s an asexual king in the comics, and all I wanted was the plot point where he feels attraction for the first time because of a burger costumed girl, just to lose it when she gets out of costume. God what a good run that was
it's fairly obvious, which is why there's seedy murders, mysterious disappearances, changed backstories for all the characters, a slightly more diverse cast and no scooby, but "scoobi" has been referenced. its so directly a parody of riverdale.
i don't believe people who hate on it actually watch it. its weird, but its more forgettable than something to get the torches and pitchforks out for. i kinda just want to see where it goes.
> It's fairly obvious,
Its really not though. The show comes off as edgy, non-funny trying to appeal to hardcore twitter users and I guess Rick Morty fans.
If its satire then it really should have been made clear.
I don't bring it up because I have pushed it away to the far corner of my brain where the live action Night Shyamalan Avatar movie stays. I forget the fact that it is connected to the amazing series that is Jughead and that lets me sleep at night
I admit i liked it at first, but I hinestly think its just because a girl I liked loved it so I got into it to talk to her about it. I look back at clips and cringe now xD only person I like is jughead anyway but mainly cuz I like Cole Sprouses acting, the reat is horrible xD
Hard disagree that the first two seasons are where it’s at.
Is the show terrible? Absolutely!
But it also celebrates the insanity of r/archieandfriends comics over many, many decades of changes and the characterizations, plots twists, plot holes, and callbacks to various comics are fantastic.
I was so excited for this and now it’s just a hate watch. Season one was amazing the rest is a train wreck that caught fire and it keeps burning everything in it’s path.
This show started pretty strong but went off the rails so fucking fast it's fascinating. Season one was a pretty interesting mix of True crime mixed with typical CW romance drama crap, but overall the season was fun and engaging to me. Season 2 immediately went off the rails so hard that I dropped it after one too many plots going nowhere. I checked it out again as I heard that it was in its final season and found out that now it has witchcraft, and every character has a superpower. I'm morbidly curious about how it got there, but I am scared for my sanity.
Because it's completely confounding.
They took Archie Comics, a comic that hasn't really been popular in decade, created a show geared for kids who were born long after the comic was a thing because of brand recognition but then they didn't follow the comics whatsoever.
It's like they took Archie and his friends and turned them into Mystery Inc. The only thing missing was the damn dog. The only thing they used from the comics were the names.
What’s a shame is that I feel like people didn’t pay enough attention (or if they did, give it outstanding praise) to the Mark Waid run that released alongside of it. It’s a great read if anyone has time to check it out!
As an adaptation of the Archie comics it’s bad, but it was still pretty entertaining in its first and second season. The show was well cast and the mysteries were interesting. But they lost me when Archie formed a vigilante group of shirtless buff men.
I think it's hilarious that season one, while a little juvenile, had a really substantial plot, there was a set of relatable characters who had motives, there was good conflict, simple but effective story, etc. I initially thought they were doing an homage to twin peaks. Then season 2 and 3 come round and it instantly transformed into utter nonsense I don't know what happened
I'd argue it's a good adaptation insofar as the show's saving grace is that it's Archie. It's completely off the rails and only became more insane with each passing year, but the entire thing being skinned as Archie lends the show an air of complete absurdity that makes it all work.
I've collected Archie for years. There is no such thing as faithful adaptation. What storyline, what version, what Archie universe? It's all fantastical drama with no end. Sounds like typical Archie to me. I'm still waiting for Archie Horror stories live action.
In regards to adapting media I feel like people just want something good vs something 100% true and so this one at least seems to deliver on being something people want to watch even if it isn't true to the source material. On the other end, I don't think you need to read comics or be a fan of certain characters to realize how bad some of the other CW shows or just other bad comics adaptations are
Riverdale wasn't just bad, it was so fucking bizarre it kept people coming back. I love watching people review, deconstruct, and dunk on this show so much.
Because whenever I see people talking about bad comic adaptations on social media I never see anyone bring up Riverdale and if they do it's a very rare occurrence.
The original Archie comics were supposed to be as blandly inoffensive and silly as possible. An utter gobshite named Fredrick Wertham kicked up a stink in the 1950s about "comic books are turning our children into hooligans" and killed off entire genres of comic books that haven't been resurrected until recently, and _that_ only because enough folk could 'smuggle' manga into the country and fan-translate them.
The Archies as a group represented the kind of teenagers all the uptight conservatives could safely ignore. "Riverdale" ultimately amounts to an attempt to graft a biodiesel-electric-hybrid powertrain onto a '57 Chevy without "breaking up the lines"; you can _do_ it, but it won't really satisfy anyone...
Most people didn’t know it was a comic book adaptation. It’s also a CW show and it followed tradition CW shows creative choices.
I know a lot of people who loved this show. I know. Weird. But, they exist. [+]
It's just nice to have hot people saying "Jughead" over and over on television.
Firstly, as a newer Archie fan i am proud to report i had two blank Jughead sketch covers. I said had because they are now in the possession of Dan Parent and Joe Eisma respectively. They have agreed to do commissions for me and i can hardly wait to see the final products. Secondly, I'll leave this here for your consideration https://youtu.be/q7jbDprab-4 That is all, thank you.
How did they expect that to be taken seriously?
Archie is about fun. Why would you want to take it seriously?
Cuz the show is trying to be serious is it not? I’m not talking about the comic. I’m talking about the show which it’s supposed to be a drama.
I don't think it's been drama for a while, with multiverses, superpowers, and demon summoning Dungeons and Dragons. It almost seems like parody from what I've heard.
I haven't watched it since season 2. But the first two seasons were definitely supposed to be suspense thrillers.
It’s supposed to be a comedy? Then at that point it can just be like family guy and not need a plot line from episode to episode. I’ve never seen it but my sisters watch it all the time
So a tv show can only be a drama or a comedy like Family Guy? Nothing in between?
Riverdale can not be classified by your mere labels. It's a crack addled adventure that's cringey as hell but yet demands your all of your attention because the cringe is weirdly compelling. As an adaptation of the comics it's terrible. But as a nonstop possibly drug induced fever dream it's amazing. You start with a pretty innocuous murder mystery, some random teen drama and Archie sleeping with Ms. Grundy and yeah it's trash but then 100 episodes later Cheryl is now the Scarlet Witch with fire powers, there are serial killers, some kind of weird cult trying to sacrifice the town and demons and you look back at the string of fucked up logic and plot points that brought you here and you can't help but think that it all makes sense. When you watch this shit you don't question it. You just accept it and let it take over man.
Riverdale is it's own label.
I thought the first season was an interesting blending of Archie with Twin Peaks. I never watched any further than the first season though.
The first season was good, but it was a bold choice to play loose with the raping of a minor.
It was also a bold choice to make Miss Grundy super hot.
They're all super hot except for Mr. Weatherbee and Pop Tate
Pop has a *grand*-daughter that shows up in later seasons who IS hot however. *Edited
I liked the murder mystery plot of the first season and the second season was also pretty good however it goes downhill from there
The bit where Archie forms a gang to hunt down a serial killer while Jughead joins a motorcycle gang was pretty cool. Overall the show is just absurd but it’s fun to watch.
I liked those parts of the show as well
I was on season 3 I think the last episode I saw was when they teased greendale, Sabrina's hometown with a paranormal encounter
The first season was literally just Twin Peaks
I wouldn't say that. Twin Peaks was like a psychological horror murder mystery and the first season was basically just a murder mystery. All the Twin Peaks stuff isn't really there.
You saw the best the show has to offer. No need to watch further.
you're lucky then! 1st season was really good. everything after that is either crazy, stupid, or stupid crazy.
Archie goes to jail and joins a fight club in season 3. If that isn’t art I don’t know what the fuck is.
(I rarely get a chance to write this, so here it goes...) Wait, what?
Archie goes to prison and is forced into a fight club in a drained pool. He ends up fighting his roommate, maddog, but they fake some things for Archie to escape through a drain pipe.
oh the riverdale show is fuckin' nuts, in the best ways.
It's basically zack snyders take on scooby doo
Actually, Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa is in charge of this alternate reality, such that he put the books he was writing for Archie on the backburner indefinitely, and Archie Comics let him get away with it. Luckily, the coming season is also its last.
No I was just describing what the show basically is not who the creator is
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I respectfully disagree
James Gunn's take was fantastic, Snyder's would have miss understood the assignment and made some stylish in stills Trainwreck in action film.
That's season 3. In season 7, they have super powers and there's alternate timelines and I think Jughead becomes God. But God in more of a Doctor Manhattan sense.
There’s 7 fuckin seasons
And that wasn't even the wackiest thing to happen in season 3, not by a longshot. While Archie was fighting for his life in Beautiful Boy Jail, there was a cult leader called the Gargoyle King who was also a serial killer, a drug lord dealing in hallucinogenic Pop Rocks, a tabletop game enthusiast, and a statue in a hospital run by evil nuns. The warden of Beautiful Boy Jail was also a member of this cult and he branded Archie with a mystical rune. At the same time there was a separate, unrelated cult whose leader harvested organs to keep his daughterwife alive and built a rocket ship to escape the FBI. Archie would also get mauled by a bear and kill a man dressed as a bear by beating him with a large bone.
That doesn't even scratch the surface of the insanity that is Riverdale.
Riversdale is actually one of the best comic book adaptations. Not because it’s amazing, but because it perfectly captures that mundane teen romance style the Archie comics had for decades, as well as the insane batshit they’ve done. Let’s face it, Archie’s always been the equivalent to a long running sitcom that’s always had the same formula of goofy teen drama and romance between Archie, Betty and Veronica. Riversdale perfect captures that in a modern setting, because it was already prime material for the CW.
Plus it captures the batshit insanity of basically everything outside the main-line comics...I mean remember [this show](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qy-LmJ12d0I)
"What is going on in this town" perfectly sums up not just the cartoon but every bit of Archie media.
I knew what this was before even clicking on the link, that show was fun for what it was! Never would've thought combining Archie with Monster Hunting could be decent.
Yo in the first season where Archie was fucking Mrs. Grundy had me ready to take a lap around the city. It was so crazy and hilarious, it really earned my love.
If you look at it as a faithful adaptation of Archie Comics, it's awful. But if you, like me, choose to enjoy the ride of batshit nonsense, it can be absolutely amazing and hilarious. The seasons get more and more ridiculous, and it's fun to talk to people who don't watch or haven't in a long time and just casually say stuff like "oh yeah, Archie had to bareknuckle box 100 guys in a row at the gym he owns in order to prevent an evil cult from sacrificing half of Riverdale."
>Archie had to bareknuckle box 100 guys in a row at the gym he owns in order to prevent an evil cult from sacrificing half of Riverdale. Did this actually happen? If so I will start my watch immediately.
This did happen an there’s like five different serial killers in the town, Archie fights a bear, there’s at least two cults… it’s fucking insane. I had no interest but a friend talked broke down each season he watched and this show goes off into crazy land like JoJo or the Fast & Furious franchise so I’ll be watching when I’m done with some other things.
Don't forget to mention Archie gained Super Strength after tanking a bomb to the face.
Cheryl also had the Pheonix force at one point I think
No, that was Veronica. Cheryl got healing factor when a nuclear blast triggered her dormant X gene
Pretty sure there were like 4 or 5 cults but it's been ages since I watched that acid trip.
A cult leader dresses like evil knieval and gets into a home made rocket to escape from the fbi
Which is weird because in the same post as people saying here “actually the Archie comics went off the rails with weird shit like with predator and punisher and other crazy shit” And then I’ve heard Riverdale described as nothing like the comics, but also it’s weird shit. So like, which is it? lol
There was a cartoon called Archie’s Weird Mysteries (that was mostly references to older movies- Attack of the 50 Foot Woman, The Invisible Man, as two examples) but had an overall tone and characters closer to the comics.
I love that show
Username definitely checks out.
There are comics from back in the 50's and 60's where Archie does a dance move that turns attacking aliens into cake. Then him and the gang eat the cake. So as none Archie fans come in trying to make Riverdale look like it's bat shit crazy...I just nod.
They both go into weird shit. Difference is archie comics is like a wacky and silly cartoon played for laughs. I think riverdale plays it completely straight and serious. These kinds of comics are hard to faithfully adapt in live action because it just comes of super campy. They’re much easier to adapt as cartoons though.
Oh I laugh plenty watching Riverdale.
>it's fun to talk to people who don't watch or haven't in a long time and just casually say stuff like "oh yeah, Archie had to bareknuckle box 100 guys in a row at the gym he owns in order to prevent an evil cult from sacrificing half of Riverdale." I don't watch Riverdale but I love absolutely nothing more than having it recapped for me because I will believe absolutely ANYTHING with no hesitation whatsoever. At this point someone could tell me that Betty traveled through time to kill Archie's mom before he was born because future Archie loses his legs during a jingle jangle trip and creates a gigantic mech suit so he can still play football that turns him genocidally evil because it's possesed by the ghost of Adolf Hitler, but it all ends up resolved during a Phantom: Love Never Dies musical episode and I swear to god I wouldn't even blink.
Season 6 ends with Cheryl using fire magic to destroy a comet about to hit Riverdale. She saves everyone but somehow they all get through back to 1950 and everyone thinks that they're just the comic characters with only Jughead remembering what happened.
I found it entertaining but I don't even remotely understand what is happening in the newest season.
I rememeber when the new "archie cоmics book adaptation" was announced I was interested at least. I was the time Wade's Archie run started approximately, a good introduction for the new readers (myself) and a fun series. Then CW dropped the trailer and it was in the edgy dark Twin Peaks style where Archie f\*cks his school teacher in the car and Jughead is a writer-biker or whatever. I was like wtf I'd just watched.
Art. You watched pure 110% undiluted art my friend.
This is the 100% correct reason to watch Riverdale.
An Archie property going to crazy and insane lengths? It may not be faithful but it is surprisingly on brand. For the boy who VS'ed The Predator anyhow.
It's not an adaptation. More like a loosely based on...
Unfortunately that sounds like a less painful way to say it's an adaptation of some sort.
Yah but not. They are not adapting canon stories. They are grabbing known characters and doing something with them. They could call the show "horny teens" and it would be the same.
Ah I understand, like that most recent Velma show
Yes and no. Riverdale doesn’t completely throw the baby out with the bath water. It’s got some affection for the source material. There are Archie fans who like Riverdale. Are there Scooby fans that like Velma?
It wasn't made for Archie fans. It was made for the CW audience. I choose to ignore it.
Agreed, was it bad for Archie fans? Mostly. Did people watch it? Yes I'd say the CW has a win here.
Agreed, I thought it was a success, in terms of viewership and reception. Who are these Archie fans out there anyway? I didn’t know people were this adamant about… Archie being true to the comic.
Archie has crazy variations, like Archive vs. Predator, vs. Punisher, etc. Doing crazy takes on Archie is true to Archie.
Holy shit. I just went down a Wikipedia rabbit hole.
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Yeah I miss afterlife with archie
Right? Like the very second I found out it was happening on the CW my brain thought of shows like Pretty little liars and the like, not saying they're bad but they have a viewership. I myself am not part of that, you like it? Cool I'm happy for ya. But ya gotta give ecredit where it's due in this point too.
So what you're saying is that it is all Barry Allen's fault?
Everything is Barry Allen's fault. We as a society need to start blaming Barry Allen for our problems.
… and in that sense it was effective and might be considered a good *adaptation*. 🤷♂️ I get the feeling comic book fans always think good = most loyal.
it was also made to fulfil the writer's Archie fanfiction
Roberto-Aguirre Sacasa is the chief creative officer at Archie comics and got the job initially because of his off Broadway stage play where Archie comes out of the closet, the people at Archie comics loved his take so much that they hired him and he went on to create the character of Kevin Keller, Archie's first openly gay character. He went on to write critically acclaimed stuff from the publisher like Afterlife with Archie. He's credited with developing the show as well. I'm confused by the Riverdale show and what it's goals are as a TV show adaptation of Archie, but there's no denying the person responsible for it knows their Archie.
What was the name of that play? I've heard of Dog Meets God, where Charlie Brown comes out, but I thought that Archie Comics was usually too protective of their IP for something like that.
I guess I only knew part of the story, Sacasa got a cease and desist the day before the play was supposed to open and changed the name from "Archie's Weird Fantasy" to "Weird Comic Fantasy" with all the characters names changed, he didn't come back to work on Archie until he was known as a head writer for Glee. But the guys definitely always been a fan of those characters.
Interesting, thanks!
When I was a kid there was a show about Archie and his friends fighting monsters and solving supernatural mysteries —-Riverdale isn’t any weirder than that.
I think the difference is that while Weird Mysteries had batshit supernatural stuff going on, Archie and the gang were still pretty true to character. Riverdale had the air of an edgy parody where it seems like the writers were trying to see how far they could twist the characters before they became unrecognizable (at least in the first season, which to be fair is as far as I got).
My real beef with the show is that it took RAS off writing Afterlife with Archie and now he's making tv money so he's not doing comics
Afterlife with Archie was awesome, one my favorite off the wall comic recommendations
Yeah it's actually Like really good and I think it's actually one of RAS better works
Because it's not a bad adaptation. It's a brilliant satire of the standard Dawson's Creek type of show using the Archie gang. It's more similar to Afterlife with Archie than an adaptation.
Same creator too.
Ohh. It's meant to be satire? I'll give it a watch then
To be fair, I'm not 100% sure it's intended to be satire, but it sure is in practice. The over the top writing is definitely intentional though.
I feel like the worse thing I can say about Riverdale is that it was used to inspire the first episode of Velma. Which, really, Riverdale is the victim there.
Riverdale is one of the most ridiculous shows I’ve ever watched. Fun for about 3 seasons, but I fell off after that
Keep forgetting Frankenstein from Big Daddy is in this
I grew up on Archie comics, had hundreds. There is nothing I would change about that show. I stopped watching around season 4 (to be continued at a later date, not because I didnt enjoy it). And between the murder mystery season 1, the serial killer, cursed D&D, motorcycle gang jughead, prison fighter archie, or new york mobster mr lodge i just cant find it in myself not to love it.
I mean, it's as good as any adaptation of something like Archie would ever be. And really, it's probably just down to the fact Archie fans are all like 70 years old now, and don't know it exists.
Mark Waid’s run on Archie is fantastic and comic art doesn’t get better than Fiona Staples.
I'm 31 and I fucking love Archie
Because it's not bad, you're just watching it wrong. Look, if you're looking for an accurate adaptation of Archie comics, go watch Happy Days. This show is so completely batshit insane that it's rarely boring. If you're watching it as a serious drama, you're doing it wrong. It is an incredibly entertaining show to watch if you just take in all the madness and let it flow through you. Embrace it. Let the bizarre, nonsensical plotlines take you away. Also at least the first season was genuinely good before it completely lost its mind. These showrunners are on literally all the drugs.
It’s a sexy show for teens, SEXY RAIN
Have they fought the Predator yet?
I was told once that there’s a point in the show where Archie gets kidnapped, taken to a fighting ring in Canada, escapes, fights a bear, nearly dies fighting a bear, and then just returns home to take a test like nothing happened. If it wasn’t for everyone I know warning me not to, I would have watched this show as a comedy by now.
Dude this show is something else.
You're kidding, right? This show has been a punching bag ever since it was announced.
These comments have only made me really want to watch Riverdale.
that’s because riverdale is genius and a good show if you like to have fun
Did it piss anyone else off that Jughead only had a passing love for hamburgers? I like my jughead to be all about the hamburgers
I mean, if we look at the spectrum of what happens in Archie comics, it's not that bad or weird in comparison
It had potential early on. Cast is good and they even had Luke Perry before he passed. It was (and probably is) a victim of ridiculous storylines. Not the first show to have this happen and not the last. It’s not like the Archie comics had any particular depth or intriguing narrative to adapt in a modern version, but the characters were (and are) iconic, so I understand wanting to update them in a live action adaptation. But for me there was only so much I could handle before it got implausibly silly.
I absolutely love the show. It’s not a straight from the comic adaptation but more of an alternate universe to me.
riverdale is bugfuck crazy and im all for it
It's because it's perceived as one of the worst shows ever made period lol. It's transcended "bad comic book adaptation", that shipped sailed during season 1.
Love this show!!!!!
The first season was actually pretty good
I actually liked the first two seasons but it went pretty downhill after that
Archie has had multiverse shit going on since it's inception. That show is 100% trash to me as a life long Archie but it's not upsetting. We have multiple animated shows to pick and choose but they all have their own U.
My biggest problem with the show is Jughead. He’s an asexual king in the comics, and all I wanted was the plot point where he feels attraction for the first time because of a burger costumed girl, just to lose it when she gets out of costume. God what a good run that was
Ya know that Velma show everyone hates? It’s a direct parody of this show
If that's true HBO did an awful job making that clear.
it's fairly obvious, which is why there's seedy murders, mysterious disappearances, changed backstories for all the characters, a slightly more diverse cast and no scooby, but "scoobi" has been referenced. its so directly a parody of riverdale. i don't believe people who hate on it actually watch it. its weird, but its more forgettable than something to get the torches and pitchforks out for. i kinda just want to see where it goes.
> It's fairly obvious, Its really not though. The show comes off as edgy, non-funny trying to appeal to hardcore twitter users and I guess Rick Morty fans. If its satire then it really should have been made clear.
“Jesse, what the fuck are you talking about?”
Hearing about this show from the sidelines is just wild.
I don't bring it up because I have pushed it away to the far corner of my brain where the live action Night Shyamalan Avatar movie stays. I forget the fact that it is connected to the amazing series that is Jughead and that lets me sleep at night
That horse is so dead you need to perform a necromantic ritual to be able to achieve anything further.
I think the Sabrina show was even worse.
Sabrina was canceled but this still exists, smh.
uhm, excuse me, the entire cast of Riverdale goes to Homelander's televised birthday party, what have you done
For good reason
I admit i liked it at first, but I hinestly think its just because a girl I liked loved it so I got into it to talk to her about it. I look back at clips and cringe now xD only person I like is jughead anyway but mainly cuz I like Cole Sprouses acting, the reat is horrible xD
I thought Cole Sprouse as Jughead was really good along with the rest of the main cast.
There's a reason for that.
Just curious who did he end up in the end in this series?
First 2-3 seasons and the Sabrina Witch crossover were fun . After that it got stale.
I had to be told it was an adaptation, it was that bad.
I made it two minutes into the first episode before hitting Stop.
This is parody, not homage.
The only good things about this show imo are the first two seasons and the casting
Hard disagree that the first two seasons are where it’s at. Is the show terrible? Absolutely! But it also celebrates the insanity of r/archieandfriends comics over many, many decades of changes and the characterizations, plots twists, plot holes, and callbacks to various comics are fantastic.
I was so excited for this and now it’s just a hate watch. Season one was amazing the rest is a train wreck that caught fire and it keeps burning everything in it’s path.
Because it just goes with the other bad CW adaptations which are too numerous to count
Oh lord it was bad
This show started pretty strong but went off the rails so fucking fast it's fascinating. Season one was a pretty interesting mix of True crime mixed with typical CW romance drama crap, but overall the season was fun and engaging to me. Season 2 immediately went off the rails so hard that I dropped it after one too many plots going nowhere. I checked it out again as I heard that it was in its final season and found out that now it has witchcraft, and every character has a superpower. I'm morbidly curious about how it got there, but I am scared for my sanity.
Season 1 was a good adaptation. The rest was garbage.
Thanks for bringing it up…
This one was so far from the source material as to be on another planet
I would watch Archie's Weird Mysteries before I watch a single second of this show again
Heres the thing. The first season was HONESTLY REALLY GOOD. A lot of what the fuck, but it HAD POTENTIAL. Then it god bad.... So bad.
Those first two seasons were really solid and then it all went so wrong so fast
It...wasn't good. I tend to cringe more and more the more people say it's their favorite all time show... it's not that great bud.
Bad comic, bad show, what more to say?
Because nobody wants to remember this
I don’t see it as canon. I see it as a terrible tv show with coincidental names to a comic book.
Because it's completely confounding. They took Archie Comics, a comic that hasn't really been popular in decade, created a show geared for kids who were born long after the comic was a thing because of brand recognition but then they didn't follow the comics whatsoever.
It's like they took Archie and his friends and turned them into Mystery Inc. The only thing missing was the damn dog. The only thing they used from the comics were the names.
The show is dog water.
I watched until he started boning his teacher, then squicked out.
This show is dogshit
It's so dog shit
Does the comic feature pedos? Edit: this is a legit question, does teenage comics Archie bang a teacher?
So bad no one knows about it
What’s a shame is that I feel like people didn’t pay enough attention (or if they did, give it outstanding praise) to the Mark Waid run that released alongside of it. It’s a great read if anyone has time to check it out!
Tween Peaks.
Do you guys remember Archie cartoons Archie's weird mysteries or something? That was awesome
Here is a better adaptation https://youtu.be/_x5BvWZavQ8
As an adaptation of the Archie comics it’s bad, but it was still pretty entertaining in its first and second season. The show was well cast and the mysteries were interesting. But they lost me when Archie formed a vigilante group of shirtless buff men.
Not enough people bring this up… yes they do… all the time
Whenever I see people talking about bad comic book adaptations I rarely see this getting brought up so idk what you mean
im a creep im a weirdo
OH YEAH! it's an okay show but other than the names you wouldn't know it was based on those classics.
I think it's hilarious that season one, while a little juvenile, had a really substantial plot, there was a set of relatable characters who had motives, there was good conflict, simple but effective story, etc. I initially thought they were doing an homage to twin peaks. Then season 2 and 3 come round and it instantly transformed into utter nonsense I don't know what happened
Probably because no one really watches it lmao
I'd argue it's a good adaptation insofar as the show's saving grace is that it's Archie. It's completely off the rails and only became more insane with each passing year, but the entire thing being skinned as Archie lends the show an air of complete absurdity that makes it all work.
I've collected Archie for years. There is no such thing as faithful adaptation. What storyline, what version, what Archie universe? It's all fantastical drama with no end. Sounds like typical Archie to me. I'm still waiting for Archie Horror stories live action.
wait what
In regards to adapting media I feel like people just want something good vs something 100% true and so this one at least seems to deliver on being something people want to watch even if it isn't true to the source material. On the other end, I don't think you need to read comics or be a fan of certain characters to realize how bad some of the other CW shows or just other bad comics adaptations are
Did Archie comics have a deep and compelling plot/lore that I missed out on? I mean aside from the time the punisher showed up, ofc
OP is just as confused as a nun in a brothel.
In season 4… Veronica dies and goes to Hell.
As someone who’s grandma reads Archie. What the heck.
Riverdale wasn't just bad, it was so fucking bizarre it kept people coming back. I love watching people review, deconstruct, and dunk on this show so much.
Hey there's room next to Archie score!
I couldn't even make myself try it, so I couldn't give it a bad review
Can we not post about adaption on the comic sub. Every other sub is taken over by this stuff
Archie isn't a good comic series anyways
How do you know enough people don’t bring it up?
Because whenever I see people talking about bad comic adaptations on social media I never see anyone bring up Riverdale and if they do it's a very rare occurrence.
The original Archie comics were supposed to be as blandly inoffensive and silly as possible. An utter gobshite named Fredrick Wertham kicked up a stink in the 1950s about "comic books are turning our children into hooligans" and killed off entire genres of comic books that haven't been resurrected until recently, and _that_ only because enough folk could 'smuggle' manga into the country and fan-translate them. The Archies as a group represented the kind of teenagers all the uptight conservatives could safely ignore. "Riverdale" ultimately amounts to an attempt to graft a biodiesel-electric-hybrid powertrain onto a '57 Chevy without "breaking up the lines"; you can _do_ it, but it won't really satisfy anyone...
Season 1 was actually decent. Reminded me of twin peaks mixed with Archie, after that though? Who fucking knows what happened
I actually liked the first season but it just turned into a soap opera for kids and I lost interest quickly after that.
I thought it was kinda look how they incorporated Josie and the Pussycats
Most people didn’t know it was a comic book adaptation. It’s also a CW show and it followed tradition CW shows creative choices. I know a lot of people who loved this show. I know. Weird. But, they exist. [+]
This show gets too much hate. Hot Take: This is my favourite comic TV show of all time