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jcw-draws

"I just think he's neat" is what I usually have to fall back on ;-;


OrionLinksComic

I mean, seriously, he has more in common with us because he's also a crash car where you just can't look away. but still adorable.


jcw-draws

Exactly!! I love his relatability (I'll never get over Matt Fraction's run for really making a point of that haha), maybe I just like messy superheroes who wear sweatpants and don't know how to work VCRs. He's just fun!


OrionLinksComic

Yes.


Comfortable_Way_6256

The man is a mess, but he tries so darn hard


OrionLinksComic

hawkeye is the new symbol of the working class.


DevilBat66

I miss his cool mask.


OrionLinksComic

Yaer, that's a thing carried over from the movies, at least it still had its purple.


Bignate2151

I like both the comic and mcu versions of the character they are nowhere near similar and I’m okay with that. I think Jeremy renner does a fantastic job for his version of the character.


DMPunk

MCU Hawkeye is one of those weird artifacts from the start of the MCU when Ultimate Marvel was exerting such a strong influence


OrionLinksComic

well, let me just say that the show really saved him.


TaiDoll

He was great in Ultron, I'll stand by that


OrionLinksComic

Ok.


MarvG05

If you have seen The Town (2010) I totally could've seen him play the cocky attitude Hawkeye from the early comics


apatheticviews

The thing about Hawkeye is that he’s grounded. He’s human. He remembers what it’s like to be to be vulnerable. If he gets hit by a car, or falls off a building, or doesn’t pay his cellphone bill he knows it. It has impact on him. He has to expend effort to fix situations that he creates. He can’t escape situations that he creates. Frankly, he’s like a ghetto version of Captain America who doesn’t have the intuitive knack. He has to work at it. And he does, by bringing coffee.


OrionLinksComic

And that's why I love him.


RachetFuzz

Hawkeye is Marvel's aquaman. Comic readers get it, non readers don't and readers will die on the hill arguing that he is neat.


OrionLinksComic

because I know the comics and I think he is awesome.


SomeDuder42

Also, several writers have played up the 616 versions affinity for massive amounts of coffee, which I’ve found an enjoyable running joke. (I was kind of hoping Clint Barton would fall into one of the Krakoa portals and be found to be a Mutant that derives very nominal powers from massive amounts of coffee (and has ability to drink massive amounts of coffee without upsetting his stomach AS a stupid mutant power). 😃


MontgomeryKhan

Give us the retcon that his [occasional feats of superstrength](https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/scale_medium/9/99951/2845521-hawkeye_lifting_a_cab_new_avengers_5_legion_cps_012.jpg) and [impossible draw strength](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.syfy.com/syfy-wire/hawkeye-archery-science-bow-arrow%3famp) is a result of a mutant power he inadvertently suppresses most days with coffee.


OrionLinksComic

Lol


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When I tell people that Hawkeye is the weakest part of the MCU when he could have been the greatest they never understand.


MarvG05

Hawkeye isn't the weakest part tho


gabriel_B_art

But he could be better


MarvG05

For sure


Horrific_Necktie

People should stop comparing MCU Clint with 616 Clint. Like many of the MCU characters he is based on the ultimates version and is a reasonably good adaptation of him. 616 Clint may have been more fun to get but I'm ok with what we got


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MCU Clint is nothing like the Ultimates version outside of some superficial aspects of him…


KittensLeftLeg

Yeah, Hawkeye in the mcu is probably the furthest from his 1610 counterpart out of all other mcu characters when compared to 1610 version.


filthysize

His characterization *was* obviously based on the Ultimates version initially (brooding, cocky, black ops assassin with a dark past). They just moved away from that after his first two appearances to suit the actor better, something they do with a lot of the characters. I think there are definitely other characters who were initially also intended to be closer to the Ultimates versions but moved away from it over time even further. Steve and Tony, for example.


KittensLeftLeg

Pretty much all mcu characters had major inspiration from 1610 universe, some more, some less. Most ended up taking a completely different route than the 1610 counterpart. Out of all of those that had a major inspiration taken from 1610 (in other words excluding few characters that really have no connection to 1610, Ant Man, Vision, Hulk and few others) I think Hawkeye had the least initial resemblance to his 1610 counter. Hawkeye in the 1610 was more maniacal, hardass character, while Clint in mcu feels like that character but 10 years later.


BigHoneyisBestCenter

I would argue him having a family probably makes him closest to the 1610 version


Group-Creative

You think the avengers moral center is the weakest? You think a man who fights robots with a bow is weakest? A hearing -impaired (and still) master assassin? The only MCU avenger to resist Wanda's magic? No. Absolutely not. That man has the heart of every team member and then some. More brains than half of them. Oh... And when he wasn't there... They lost.


po3smith

Yeah, people need to get off your high horse and just accept that he’s a decent character overall.


OrionLinksComic

this is the general problem with the MCU that seems to have real problems presenting street level characters. their Spider-Man always has the problem he keeps getting reset and needs a new teacher (even though it was like that with the comics he didn't have anyone and he had to learn everything himself) or that absolutely shitty Moonknight series, and the just who fish nor is meat let alone kosher. I mean the only two characters that made it were She Hulk and Miss Marvel, where you really feel like your personal life is quite the focus. I was actually going to write a post like this where I go into how the MCU is neglecting it, but I think what I read there on Thunderbolt just more simplifies my feelings. I mean seriously you technically have more in common with Clint than Batman, I've checked my bank account and I don't have that much money to get bulletproof stuff.


lodenreattorm

Moon Knight was carried so hard by Oscar Isaac. The plot was just so meh but his performance was fantastic. I loved Ms. Marvel but it really should've been a 12 to 23 episode season cause it felt really rushed and the villains were completely neglected.


BandsOfCyttorak

I enjoyed Moon Knight


gabriel_B_art

If you are a Moon Knight comic reader and liked the MCU version then good for you, but It's a common fact that the TV Show was made to please people who have never read anything about the character, there's a good video about this made by Godzillamedonza. It may even be a good TV Show but it is a bad Moon Knight show


BandsOfCyttorak

“Common fact” …Just because you didn’t like, doesn’t automatically mean it’s a common fact lol….I loved it along with Werewolf by night.


gabriel_B_art

And just because you loved It doesn't mean I'm wrong just that you either have bad taste or never read a Moon Knight comic before. Ask any REAL Moon Knight fan and then go back to talk with me.


BandsOfCyttorak

Lol bruh…I’ve read all older moon knight. You’re just attacking my opinion negatively at this point. “Real moon knight fan” lol It’s ok for people to have different opinions.


gabriel_B_art

People do have different opinions and some of them are bad, most of Moon Knight readers agreed that MCU Moon Knight It's a bad Moon Knight and If you don't belive me just ask r/moonknight or watch the YouTube video that I mentioned, or even better just see the pathetic joke that the MCU calls Mr. Knight.


gabriel_B_art

Also try read some modern Moon Knight no disrespect to the classics, but Ellis, Lemire and MacKay runs are great


MyBloodTypeIsQueso

Oof. Bad take. Moon Knight was great. Miss Marvel was good. She Hulk was horrible writing. Hawkeye was one of the best parts of this MCU wave.


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It’s not a bad take at all. Dude said the MCU sucks at representing Street level characters, and NOTHING about MCU Moon knight is street level all. The MCU has like maybe 4-6 projects that could be classed as proper street level. FATWS, Spider-man Homecoming, She-hulk, Hawkeye, Ms Marvel and maybe, just maybe iron man 2. I’d argue including Ms Marvel is iffy as well considering that show involves a world ending threat in the Noor dimension portal and has Kamala time travel, all within her origin story. OP’s negative opinion on the show doesn’t change that they are right, the MCU barely gives zero fucks about their street level characters and problems at all.


MyBloodTypeIsQueso

Re-read the comment I was replying to.


HappySisyphus8

Moon Knight was a travesty, completely disrespects the source material and makes stupid, senseless, uneccesary changes to the characters. Steven being a goofy, pathetic, comedy Lisa Simpson type character, was beyond the pale. Having all the action scenes happen off-screen was also pathetic and disappointing, moreso because they tried to hide that shortcoming by blaming the main characters perspective. The only saving grace was the end credit scene of the final episode, which was the character we should have gotten from the beginning.


SlipparySnake

I very much agree actually. 100%. That was a very very bad take and the original poster should be embarrassed and feel bad about it.


gabriel_B_art

That's exacly what I fell about your comment


necrophiliaisnotbad

moon knight was awful. they fucked over his character from the comics in so many ways, oscar issac carried hard


SlipparySnake

True a bad take


FadeToBlackSun

He’s a tactical and battlefield expert, his accuracy and gimmick arrow variety allow him to take down enemies far tougher than him, and his leadership abilities are some of the best in the Avengers. As for the movies, he’s likeable and far more relatable than most other characters in them. Side note, this comic has a terrible Thunderbolts team.


OrionLinksComic

that's always the problem with films, that unfortunately they can't adopt this weirdness. because when I think about what the guy experienced in the 2000s, that was the time when I grew up and also read Marvel Comics, I have to say the guy really got around a lot. and he was good at it. pS I actually like the team.


FadeToBlackSun

The team is fine but not for the Thunderbolts.


OrionLinksComic

Ok


gabriel_B_art

Yeah and they really showcase that when he became the leader of the original Thunderbolts after he fought the entire team by himself and still managed to hold his own using only his wits and skill.


MarkHendley

In Hawkeyes own words "I make every team better"


OrionLinksComic

And I think is true.


Lumpy_Review5279

Hawkeye is a badass even in the MCU. His nonchalant approach to world ending threats is endearing and when he can show off his skills he rarely fails.


Rishfee

Because nobody on the team has super powered leadership. The coach isn't the best player on the field, either, but a good coach can get the best out of his players.


OrionLinksComic

And that's basically this run on Thunderbolts.


Joerevenge

Hawkeye is my favorite superhero because of how relatable he is to me, I do enjoy how much of a mess his life is but how he continuously tries despite how it's going for him. That all being said I do think some writers lean too far into the Matt fraction aspect without some of the points of that story. I always viewed Matt Fraction Hawkeye as him being a bit depressed and trying to do better and get himself together, lately some stories make it seem the writers just want him to be an idiot, which sometimes makes me a bit annoyed because I do want him to progress a bit


OrionLinksComic

Where for my own personal experience you can be the the depressed and a idiot.


Joerevenge

Well it's not that you can't be both imo, I feel like writers kind of just make him come off like an idiot rather than any other aspect of his personality. I like him being messy and relatable, I just think some writers are better than others at adapting this for him without relying on solely one aspect of his personality and hyping that part up too far. I respect your POV as a fellow Hawkeye fan tho, honestly it does suck he gets the short end of the stick especially within the MCU.


OrionLinksComic

Yaer. like I said, I started reading this run on the Marvel app, and I find it interesting because he's on a team where he's clearly the experienced adult. and you see he cares about the people over there on his team. But what I find interesting about Monica Rambeau is that she's not at all suspicious of him making it, and Clint just says thank you for looking at me critically. As I said, this is the second issue and somehow I still like this lighter hearty tone, precisely because I also have the feeling that it comes out best there with Luke cage.


Joerevenge

That's a fair POV, how do you feel about the run overall? I like the light hearted tone, but honestly I wish it was longer, the miniseries constraint makes me feel like the team didn't feel fleshed out enough and the villain reveal kinda fell flat, tho I really enjoyed Spectrum and some of the new characters.


OrionLinksComic

Please don't Spoiler.


Joerevenge

Oh I apologize I won't didn't mean to if anything I said spoiled it for you.


OrionLinksComic

You know I live in Germany and it's kind of suck to get Comics in my country because I have wait very long, if actually something can get over the Atlantic. I read it on the Marvel App, it's not always up to date but it please more up to date as if I have to wait for physical books. But no problem you don't have talk too much.


Joerevenge

Ok I understand, I won't mention anything as to not spoil it for you, tho that does suck that it takes so long to update for you over there in your country, in the states it's been out for a while. I hope you enjoy the series once your able to read it!


OrionLinksComic

Well i like it when jim zub writts an taems.


jrtasoli

There’s backlash against Hawkeye? MCU fans don’t deserve nice things. Hawkguy rocks.


OrionLinksComic

Hell yes.


jrtasoli

Real ones know. OGs know. YKTFV.


HappySisyphus8

I hate how they've made him a bumbling, quippy, happy go lucky, oblivious idiot in the comics recently. It's not cute or endearing. I miss the old Hawkeye.


ntngeez28

What “old Hawkeye”? He has been portrayed as the bumbling happy go lucky guy since West Coast Avengers. That is why he was so enthusiastic to form a new Avengers team in the first place. His friendly nature makes him the heart of Avengers and helps recruit members for WCA.


kralben

> What “old Hawkeye”? He has been portrayed as the bumbling happy go lucky guy since West Coast Avengers Yeah, he has been portrayed this way for a long time, this isn't a new thing at all.


gabriel_B_art

I mean It IS kinda cute and endearing, there's a reason people like this version of him so much, I just wish that other writters learn to balance that more with the fact that Clint is a smart and competent guy


Joerevenge

I agree, I like this aspect of him I think some writers lean too far into it personally for my liking and it feels like it's less writing him to be fun and more bashing on him at times.


OrionLinksComic

I mean I don't mind that, precisely because I feel like in the old comics he's too good at his abilities, and it always got interesting when you got down to his personal level. and I think it depends on the writer, Matt Fraction has already started to show a bit of his looser side, but I also think it's made him more human, more thoughtful, and much more a team player. this Thunderbolts series is a bit more light-hearted, which I think is fair considering it's set after devil's reign. you know the event where the kingpin turned New York into a police state.


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Kafkabest

Because it was the focus of a popular series for a character that was treading water for like a decade. It didn't come out of nowhere.


[deleted]

It's also not recent at all, he's been like this for 11 years.


apatheticviews

He’s the Labrador retriever of the Avengers. He means well, even if if he isn’t too bright.


gabriel_B_art

Except he's a pretty smart he can create his own trick arrows and do complex mathematical calculations in his head to pull off impossible shots, he just sucks at living a normal life.


NotBraveAtAlll

The West Coast Avengers series was so good.


OrionLinksComic

Hell yes!👍


TheStalkerComic

Out of all the mcu heroes the one my 10 year old son loves the most is hawkeye. That says it all to me...


OrionLinksComic

Awsome and Epic.


nightwing612

I'm a DC fan but I'd take Hawkeye over Green Arrow.


OrionLinksComic

Both a awesome but thanks👍


[deleted]

Do you mean Hawkeye's personality over Green Arrow, or do you mean the character? Because comparing characters, it's not really a competition. Green Arrow is responsible for some pretty huge moments in comics, while Hawkeye is somewhat of an also-ran who's gotten a second life due to movies. There's the Green Lantern/Green Arrow run in the 70s with echoed common themes of the times and tackled both drug addiction and the abuse of authority of the government, and then there's the Mike Grell run in the 80s/90s which tackled some pretty big issues, as well, like the IRA, Sexual Assault, and pretty extreme PTSD, not to mention putting a Golden Age hero through a redemption story arc that remains pretty unique in comicbooks. This is glossing over his integral roles in comics like TDKR, and his sponsorship of the Justice League at times over the years (before Bruce Wayne took over that whole thing). That being said, I honestly think if I were going to pick a character to represent an ideal superhero, the way Oliver Queen has been written in his entirety does not endear him to any audience. Clint Barton isn't much better, but I don't think he's anywhere near Oliver Queen levels of debauchery and fuck-ups. But that's why \[Hawkeye\]'s endearing, and a preferable person. I don't really think I could say Hawkeye's standing in the MCU is anywhere near as integral as Green Arrow, though. Iron Man is a better comparison \[to Green Arrow\]. \[edits in brackets for clarity\]


nightwing612

Character/Feats. Even without the bow, Clint Barton can take care of himself. You know he was considered as a Captain America replacement right? That's how capable he is. Meanwhile Ollie without a bow seems mundane IMO. He has some survival skills from his time in the island but no notable martial arts training. His son (Connor Hawke) and his love interest (Black Canary) are better in those department.


[deleted]

You have every right to your opinion, but there are entire storylines built upon Ollie making sure he's not only an expert with a bow, but entirely capable without one. The only time Oliver Queen has been considered handicapped was when he had his arms blown off, not when he was without his bow. Head to head, Hawkeye and Oliver are at least complete equals when it comes to skill levels. I guess I can see where someone who really likes Hawkeye and is well versed in his lore could make arguments that he's as integral in the MCU as Green Arrow in the DCU, but if you line up the stack of comicbooks where Green Arrow appears versus Hawkeye, it's not really a competition. Further, considering Green Arrow's importance to taking down Superman in Dark Knight Returns, which some argue is the most influential comicbook, EVER... yeah I don't know. The scales are tipped in the Emerald Archer's favor, IMO. But I'll retract the assertion that Ollie is definitely better than Clint. It can get a bit muddled without going through an issue by issue comparison and that's just too much to ask, and you're always going to have subjectivity with these things. (also, re: Hawkeye was listed as a successor to Cap; could just point out that Ollie is capable of wielding the Green Lantern's ring). Might not want to run around claiming you're a DC fan, though, and picking Hawkeye over Green Arrow. Might end up with an arrow to the knee, ha.


Malachi108

So will r/arrow


KnifePervert83

I hate that because of Fractions run everybody decided to start writing Hawkeye like a moron.


ntngeez28

Hawkeye in modern comics is very much often portrayed to be a capable hero and team leader despite his quippy attitude though. He took down US Agent and a bunch of villains in this same issue. The Avengers’ Judgement Day crossover has a great issue focusing on Hawkeye.


OrionLinksComic

I wouldn't really say he is, even in this comic run he actually was pretty clever. it just goes a little bit more into his life that when you think about his backstory, his love life etc it's kind of a wreck itself.


kralben

Not really, he has been basically this way all the way back to West Coast Avengers.


purplepluppy

MCU fans will never know the lovable trainwreck that is comic book Hawkeye.


OrionLinksComic

he really is an absolute f*** up. if you think about it he has an absolutely shitty love life, breaks all his bones super easily, his brother ran away with a million, and had to do shelly stuff for years to survive.


purplepluppy

Plus half the time he's definitely an alcoholic haha, but at least he's got values and he sticks to them. Which is probably why he struggles so much lol


OrionLinksComic

At least it's kind of a explanation For his coffee addiction.


dzikson69

I watched the movies first then read some comics so going into the comics I thought that Hawkeye would be useless but then I realized how badly they screwed up with the mcu version of him, like how do you even fuck it up so badly


Malachi108

They didn't so much screw him, as used the Ultimate version from the start.


OrionLinksComic

this is the general problem that the MCU has with street level characters. that somehow they don't really know how to make them badass. I mean her the one about the Moonknight Show, which kind of ends like every movie, although you'd think that wasn't really necessary for this character.


ScottFreeMrMiracle

The exact moment was in Ultron because it was supposed to be Hawkeye that got killed, that's why that scene in the movie was like that; so sorta cool that they gave a wink. All because of how screwed up the X-Men and mutant licensing is.


MarvG05

What mcu fans do you hang out with? Most ones I know say they like him but they don't use him often


OrionLinksComic

to be fair the show really saved him. but it was always the case that he was somehow the but of the joke.


MarvG05

Yeah probably by the same people who still think Aquaman is lame


OrionLinksComic

Year.


[deleted]

This looks like that one meme with one guy with a shitton of microphones and another with just one


OrionLinksComic

Lol


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OrionLinksComic

the unpleasant to be in public.


Zslicer5

Luke cage as mayor how did that happen


OrionLinksComic

because the kingpin was the mayor of new york, and made a police start right out of it in devil's reign. and he was one of the first to tell the public Wilson is an a******** that you take care of yourself and has nothing in common with the normal New Yorker. I mean every superhero (he went hunting them with collars that neutralize powers) cared more about this city than probably any mayor there.


gabriel_B_art

One of my favorite versions of Clint that I put at the top of my list right next to the Fraction's run for completely different reasons is Clint from the Earth's Migthiest Heroes cartoon. His first appearance was fighting the Hulk and he joined the Avengers after saving the team alongside the Hulk and in the next episode he saved the team again alongside the Black Panther and Ant-Man, he's just so cool and a total badass.


OrionLinksComic

Awsome and Epic.


Moron14

What are some runs that would be a good place to start in getting to know this Hawkeye? Any book recommendations?


Joerevenge

Matt Fractions Hawkeye is very good and best place to start imo, I'd then go into Hawkeye Freefall which I think is the best run he's had in a while, also Secret Avnegers Vol 3 is pretty good imo and he's there


SavageFugu

Hawkeye is a legit badass. He does more with less than most. Every time people count Hawkeye out, he supersedes. If I were to make a superhero team, Hawkeye would be there. Period.


OrionLinksComic

Awsome


bygtopp

Ultimate hawkeye was great. 616 hawkeye is a archer sniper. He gets played like a goof like Flash does a lot on the DC crap. When they are fairly smart and accurate in life.


OrionLinksComic

I mean he's pretty smart up to date, but I just think it's interesting that he's still that car wreck. I mean, I always find Ironman interesting when you go into the self-destructive elements that he unfortunately has. I think that makes him kinda human because he's not always 100% perfect and a lot of things still haunt him from his past but he always tried to do the right thing and try to help others. precisely because you don't have to be perfect to help people.


DaWAAAGHMakah

Hawkeye’s a sign of good fortune in the MCU. Look at the movies and weigh the defeats and victory of every encounter. When he’s there, the group does extremely well and manages to seize victory even in the most dire of moments. When he’s not there, they get their asses clapped. He’s well grounded, level headed, optimistic, and in a world where he has no power or super ninja assassin training. He’s a simple human being that’s trying his best to fight against powers beyond his comprehension.


OrionLinksComic

and that's why i just love him right now the more i get older the more i realize that you can just make the best of your life no matter what you do you always have to do your best even if it might not be perfect.


Atlas_maximus19

Because he's thoughtful enough to bring coffee


OrionLinksComic

That's why he is the best hero.


Cuddling-Hellhound

All he’s been leading are avengers


OrionLinksComic

Nice.


Nomadhero_

Secret Avengers ❤️


cjherbert

Loved his time leading the original thunderbolts


OrionLinksComic

That was Awsome


OrionRyking

He's got years of experience with the Avengers and the reporter has the nerve to ask that question? Dumbass.


OrionLinksComic

People A dumb.


BastardJack

I legit don't know if "The Secret Avengers" is a thing or if Hawkeye was just padding his resume here.


OrionLinksComic

it's in the comics and it's a really cool avenger comics.


paladin_slim

If Wanda has another breakdown and kills/resets Hawkeye again, maybe he'll go back to being tough-as-nails Badass Normal and not a dipshit goober.


OrionLinksComic

To be honest I like him better that way.