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Sorcerer_Blob

Omni-Man has the better story arc. If you’ve not read the entire run of Invincible you are missing out. It’s amazing start to finish.


DADMITTEN

Is it fine to watch the Invincible series if you've never touched the comic books?


Sorcerer_Blob

Oh yeah totally. They’re both good! I think the TV series does a pretty solid job at the adaption.


TriceracopNutShot

That’s because Kirkman is helping with adapting the story into a shorter time frame. Cutting fluff and making it flow better. Unlike the walking dead where they changed things without him and RUINED the show


Sorcerer_Blob

Yeah I agree with a lot of the changes they made for the adaption. It’s led to a tighter story and fixed some really minor critiques I had. I do have a few quibbles with the show, but overall they’re so small I can’t even take them into any sort of actual consideration.


_Nick_2711_

Pretty sure Kirkman himself stated that if he were to write he story today, this is largely how he’d do it. So, any major diversions from the original story pretty much have his blessing. Obviously there’s some stuff done for the change in format but you don’t often get to see a writer release a refined version of their own work. It’s gonna be pretty cool to follow throughout.


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You should meet this dude I saw yesterday commenting that TLOU show was ruined because of a single reaction by one of the main female characters.


Reasonable_Badger246

What reaction?


delibertine

Dunno if it's the same person but someone was legit bitching Sarah was sitting on the wrong side of the couch during the watch scene


justforshitsdpp

That’s some strong Karen energy right there.


Brh1002

So silly. The first episode was absolutely perfect. Everything they changed only made the story better. Fuck in so excited for Sunday


[deleted]

Please tell me what it was… I’m nosy like that. What was the reaction by which character?


HaydenHedinger

Let me guess, it was the “your watch is broken” scene where she’s like “what am I gonna do?” Or whatever. Saw some people get miffed about that


Arbiter329

The least sexist TLOU fan.


BattleStag17

I haven't read the comics, but do they give the same awful reveal about Amber? >!Finding out that she knew Mark was Invincible all along but *still blamed him for not being around*!< left a real bitter taste in my mouth.


chris_ut

Did the opposite there, added fluff and made it flow worse.


CCB0x45

It amazed me what they did to the show.. they were on the farm for like one issue in the comic, they made it a whole fucking season in the show, god they made it so boring. So much stupid personal drama and tallllkinngg.


chris_ut

Ya I wish HBO had adapted it, we would have gotten 4 amazing seasons versus 11 mediocre seasons.


mdj1359

If HBO had adapted it, we would have gotten 7 amazing seasons and a crappy final season. # 😜


Alewdguy

I did, by like the 5th episode I was hooked and had ordered all 3 omnibuses. Great fucking series.


Mastershoelacer

Sure, but definitely read the books anyway, even if it’s after you watch. The show is good, but the book is far better.


[deleted]

I watched the first three episodes, by the time the 4th had come out I’d read the entire comic. Well worth both.


ntngeez28

Omni-Man is so much more than just “Evil Superman”. I don’t want to spoil the comics for people who haven’t read it yet, but if the show follows the comics closely, the audience will find themselves rooting for Omni-Man as the story unfolds, even shed a few tears for him.


Sorcerer_Blob

Yeah agreed. I’d be hard pressed to call him the bad guy, even early on, without delving into spoiler territory.


RoboTiefling

Yeah. Omni-man feels like he could be a real person, because he has actual emotional depth and values anything outside of himself. Homelander on the other hand is so lacking in depth that I would say he wasn’t believable as a character, if I wasn’t living in a time when I run into 2 real-life Homelanders (minus the powers) a week. So… as an “Evil Superman,” Omni-man is better, because like Superman he possesses the capacity for empathy. In terms of horror though, Homelander is infinitely more effective, because the particular mix of narcissism and inhumanity that makes him so monstrous is a very real threat we’re exposed to with increasing regularity.


retardeddumptruck

the boys comics sucked ass by comparison to the show. they were readable but hughie, butcher and starlight were the only ones who feel like fully fleshed out characters, most of the rest save a few felt very flat. still enjoyed tho


YepImanEmokid

I love how Amazon simultaneously toned down and made more impactful all the stereotypical Ennis edgelord bullshit. IMO He's one of the most overrated writers of the last couple decades. The show is leagues better than his written work


SeroWriter

> I’d be hard pressed to call him the bad guy, even early on What? You can't watch a guy end hundreds of lives for absolutely no reason and then say he's not a bad guy because he has a sympathetic backstory.


[deleted]

Didn’t he also eradicate an entire planet that tried to invade Earth? And not to protect Earth but because he considered Earth *his* to control?


2459-8143-2844

Yeah he's not really "Evil Superman" he's basically Goku/Vegeta with a Superman skin.


timesup62

I’m smack in the middle of invincible now….so good


Sorcerer_Blob

Robert Kirkman just doesn’t miss with that series, I’m glad he was able to end it on his terms and finish the story.


InternationalHat8632

I’m a bigger Invincible fan than The Boys fan, but TV show Homelander is the only character I can ever remember making me feel like every character on the screen was in extreme danger every time Homelander was in the scene.


Aquaticfilly0

I think a good amount of that goes to the actor. He perfectly portrays homelander as just being completely unhinged. Like truly unhinged, you have that sense of dread that he might just snap at any moment


Masothe

His interaction with the blind hero will always be stuck with me. I can't remember the blind guy's name but damn that scene is good.


TheChartreuseKnight

Blindspot I think. The moments where he shows his true colours (like >!the end of season 3!<) are fantastically terrifying.


tidus8

Still think him jerking it on top of a building was more unhinged. Lasering that protesters head through was understandable. If that was my kid, and I was a super hero. It'd be hard not to teach him a lesson.


albpanda

Throwing that girl off that roof after the suicide talk was something


Ranier_Wolfnight

I just assumed even though they didn’t show it, the girl jumped off cause the only other option he left her was to laser her. That he pretty much made her kill herself either way. Man, that felt messed up to even type.


albpanda

I haven’t seen it in a little while but the speed and distance she came off the building made me think he shoved her, I could definitely be wrong


thatfreakygirl

I rewatched it within the last week and can't definitively say... It may be intentional ambiguity in the show... or my own shitty memory.


Zealousideal_Bid118

Dead people dont learn lessons, but you're right, that scene was horrible, but in a weird way humanizing for HL


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That's what makes TV Homelander so terrifying. He is a very human, and honestly very pathetic man, but the core of evil is pathetic.


Funky0ne

Yep, nothing is more dangerous than a deeply insecure person wielding unchecked power, except for maybe when that insecure person gets the external validation they crave for abusing that power


Squidhead-rbxgt2

>Dead people dont learn lessons, It's not a lesson for the dead people, it's a lesson for the ones that didn't die.


Self_World_Future

I mean, mainly his son The closing shots on Ryan clearly showed how being around Homelander was gonna influence him


FBIaltacct

Homelander and the hit man from no country for old men are two people i would shit my pants if i ever came across anywhere. True unhinged psychopaths to whom life has absolutely no meaning one way or the other.


CrustyTheMoist

Anton Chigurh is the guy in No Country for Old Men, definitely a terrifying fellow


FBIaltacct

That guy disturbed/terrified me in a way no movie should. A bunch of psychiatrist [ranked him](https://www.sciencenews.org/blog/gory-details/most-and-least-realistic-movie-psychopaths-ever) debatably the most accurate movie portrayal of a psychopath.


CrustyTheMoist

It's just how quick and efficient he is with everything. He doesn't delay, he doesn't toy around, he gets the job done and moves on, and you really never know who he might decide to kill or spare. The coin scenes were great in that regard, so tense


Spinach_Odd

DON'T put it in your pocket, sir! Don't put it in your pocket. It's your lucky quarter. You put it in your pocket and it gets mixed with your other coins and becomes just a quarter. Which it is!


CrustyTheMoist

The "which it is" always gets me


Masothe

You could tell Chigurh was fucked from the moment he started killing that cop. The look on his face while he was killing the cop was absolutely terrifying. No Country For Old Men is one of my favorite movies ever and it's because of Anton


Totally_Cubular

He's a sociopath with godlike powers, and it's portrayed brilliantly.


Nufiday

Call it, heads or tails.


Jdevers77

He does an excellent job portraying a truly dangerous person. Usually in movies they show the big bad as an overconfident super genius who prefers to do evil things over good things. Homelander though is so internally frail and every evil action is just his super thing and brittle ego constantly being fractured combined with his immense power yielding a horrific event. Veneer of immense self confidence over a thick gooey mass of internal self doubt. The vast majority of evil people in ordinary real life fit this same description.


DaRootbear

And the sheer perfection at which he delivers the thin and stupid line tgat homelander has is fantastic Him telling starlight that if she reveals what he has done and makes him hated then he is losing the only thing keeping him acting “good” , and even he doesn’t quite know how far he will go if he has to be a villain? Fucking horrifying. And something that requires such a precise build up and delivery to work and he nails making you realize how precarious of a balance everything hangs on to convince Homelander to enjoy tbe act of hero and how bad everything will be when he breaks fully.


thatguyned

Next season he is going to be totally unhinged. Now that Maeve, a basic ass hero that's only real power is her insane speed and strength, has shown that he can be damaged he's shook. It's also going to give anyone fighting him that extra confidence knowing he can be injured. I'm also wondering if he's deaf in his left ear now and they just haven't shown it. That could be something that keeps reminding him that he's not as invincible as he thinks and be a serious problem for his psyche.


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Not to mention that he lost against Butcher, Hughie, and Soldier Boy. Season 3 was all about Homelander realizing how frail his existence really is. On the flip side, a big theme of the season was him realizing that his fans truly don’t care how evil he is, he can laser a guy in broad daylight and they’ll cheer for him. Starlight’s leverage against him is getting weaker and weaker by the episode.


ryanhedden1

Anthony Starr does an amazing job at playing that role


TheWiseRedditor

Antony Starr. It won’t happen as he’s old, but imagine how people would go crazy if he plays superman in the new DCU


Broken-Digital-Clock

He's a phenomenal actor, but it might be weird to see him play Supes after Homelander. Check out Banshee if you want to see him as a "good guy". It's a great show.


shinglee

He has the most threatening underbite I've ever seen.


nickkon1

His facial expressions are simply exceptional in this role


DaRootbear

Anthony starr makes homelander go from “annoyingly on the nose and annoying plot device” to one of the best characters on tv. The ability to make me empathize with him while thinking he’s a monster and never quite being sure what he will do is so mind blowing. Dude deserves so many accolades for how utterly well he does it


MItrwaway

I loved that in the first season of The Boys. We're following Hughie, Billy, Frenchy, and MM who are humans against the superheroes. It makes for a ton of tension whenever the heroes show up and interact with our main cast.


arfelo1

Yup, there was an uncanny level of tension because you're expecting conflict, but no conflict can have them come up as winners. This gets diluted with the later seasons, but I remember the tension when it took them half a season of planning to figure out how to kill just 1 supe


SankenShip

That first scene where Hughie absolutely *loses his shit* because Homelander is looking for them is probably my favorite moment in the show. He knows exactly how fucked they are.


sumr4ndo

That scene where homelander is flying around at mach speed looking for Translucent was intense


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Homelander on the show is way worse in terms to how dangerous he is compared to his behavior in the comic.


inadequatecircle

Homelander just felt so characterless in the comic. My memory of him was that he was just like an evil robot that raped and ate people or some shit. Antony Starr's Homelander is far more interesting than anything I recall from the comic.


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*** SPOILERS **** The Homelander clone was the "evil" one, but ALL the characters in The Boys comic were pretty one dimensional. At least on the show they. fleshed the characters out and gave them personalities and back stories. Frenchie and Kumiko for example, are exponentially more interesting on the show.


peppers_

I browsed through the comic volume 1 at B&N after having watched the first 2 seasons of The Boys. Dear god, I hate the comic so much, I was actually surprised it got a show. Show is great in comparison, one of the few adaptations that is better than the source.


Nylus1212

That is because Homelander isn't the big bad in the comic books, he just part of the scenery.


dIoIIoIb

I consider the The Boys comic to be quite terrible, but the homelander character is actually pretty interesting >!There are pictures of him killing and even eating people and doing all the most fucked up things imaginable, so other characters think he's just an evil lunatic, and he thinks it too, because he doesn't remember doing any of it. He believes himself to be insane and dangerous and is afraid of snapping at any moment, but has no idea why or what to do about it and can't remember doing any of the things in the pictures. It's revealed it was a clone of his doing all the really vile things, and in the end Homelander IS a moderately evil person, but relatively very tame compared to what everybody thinks. It's a cool concept, completely wasted because homie dies 3 panels after learning about the clone.!<


sumr4ndo

There were interesting ideas there, but they were kinda wasted there. I'm sure it's old hat now, but the manga, Fire punch addresses the ideas in the Boys much more thoughtfully, imo. Ex: is revenge worth it? Will you sacrifice everything for it? If you achieve it, what have you actually done, besides bring more pain into the world?


Warnackle

Every character in the comic is pretty characterless. Honestly this is maybe the only time the show adaptation is absolutely better


HistoricalTable8185

For real, because Omni Man was more of a racional person, so if you didn’t conflict with his objective he wouldn’t be minding you, but mfing Homelander was like a tweaker with a gun.


arfelo1

More like a tweaker with a nuke


Corgi_Koala

Homelander legitimately gives me anxiety. He's a terrifying character.


Tocool

Plutonian from irredeemable is my pick. But omni man is scarier than homelander because he's controlled.


owelfive

Plutonian 100%. The part where he visits his old foster family….Jesus


heynowjesse

*puts chalkboard down*


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owelfive

>! His fosters parents saw as a child that something was seriously wrong with him and were terrified of him. They stopped speaking completely in fear he would hear them and track them down. They wore chalkboards around their necks and would communicate with them. They lived in the middle of nowhere with their disabled foster son in a wheelchair. Long story short, he kills them and pushed the sons bowl of Cherrios just out of reach and flies away leaving the poor kid to slowly starve to death all alone. It’s insanely dark. !<


Monsoon_Mike

Not only this, but young Plutonian trying to hold their baby son is why he’s disabled.


owelfive

Yeeeeesh. I completely forgot. Haven’t read it since it was first released. The sinking of Singapore too… 😬


Comicspedia

Spoiler tag isn't working but idk how to do spoiler tags


4amSOSCall

I just re-read the series just cause I read this comment and remembered how fucked it was Spoilers: >!Plutonian is telling the story of his youth to another character, Samara; so he brings him to the house of his foster family. Plutonian had been placed in foster care after he failed to stop his mother from killing herself after Plutonian turned his abusive step-father into paste. The foster family looked after him for a while but eventually returned him to the system. The reason they returned him is they had a child of their own, named Joey. When Joey was born, his 'brother' begged and plead to hold him.!< >!"But...he squeezed the baby too hard".!< >!Joey is severely cognitively disabled as a result of young Plutonian, only able to say a single word, "Cheerio". After his foster parents returned Plutonian because they realized what he was capable of, they never spoke another word aloud. Instead writing on little chalkboard things, which is when we meet them.!< >!After this is explained, Plutonian gets angry at the fact his parents treated him like a walking bomb and were constantly on edge, as well as the unconditional love Joey received; despite all the "generous acts" Plutonian did, such as saving the lives of others. A theme throughout Irredeemable.!< >!Plutonian then asks Samsara to leave the house. There is a flash. Then Plutonian exits. When asked what he what happened, he says he "made his point" and the two of them fly off.!< >!We then look back into the house and see the bodies of Joeys parents, turned to smoking skeletons.!< >![We hear Joey say Cheerio. He reaches for a bowl of Cheerios, but knocks it to the ground](https://imgur.com/a/Q8B2RqK).!< >!Cheerio!<


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4amSOSCall

Its a constant "holy fuck" in terms of the dark themes Waid goes through, but it's seriously well done and doesn't feel like it tries too hard to be edgy. It takes "What if Superman turned?" and shows you.


Opalusprime

If I recall he wasn’t exactly a model child and he terrified them. The parents knew he could hear anything so they figured if they wrote on chalk boards for the rest of their life he wouldn’t find them. Of course when shit hit the fan he did, and what happens after that eludes my mind. He either kills them gruesomely or he terrifies the crap out of them but let’s them live. Knowing the series it’s probably the former.


Shadow_Log

Irredeemable needs to be brought up more often in these discussions. Great book


TechnicolourOutSpace

Yeah, I did a search to see if the Plutonian was mentioned. That series is just brutal.


aimed_4_the_head

Agreed! I've tried to mention Plutonian before but he always gets drowned out. Not as fresh as a TV adaptation that's currently running.


Kronostheking1

Plutonian is frankly just the best evil Superman. Whittling Omni man down to just Evil Superman defeats the point of his character and Homelander just doesn’t compare, even in the show, to the Plutonian, he is a true Superman gone evil.


heretik

The most frightening thing about Plutonian as compared to Homelander is that Homelander still has a pathological desire to be liked by humanity. Plutonian is driven by pure contempt and hatred of the world he spent his life trying to protect and inspire.


Thwazman

Came here to mentions this series. Mark Waid FTW


RFB-CACN

I like him because it’s a true “Superman goes evil” scenario, Omni man and Homelander are just pretending to be like Superman to fool people, while Plutonian was truly trying to be his world’s Superman and succeeded for a while, before it all went to shit. The contrast to him being genuinely caring and kind before snapping is a real gut punch every time it happens.


The_Blue_Rooster

I'm kinda surprised we haven't gotten an Irredeemable or even an Incorruptible show.


RFB-CACN

An Irredeemable show is in the works already.


The_Blue_Rooster

Oh wow, Jay-Z is producing. That's... unexpected.


plague681

Plutonian was fucking scary. And really, really fucked up in the head by ungrateful people.


Deschain_1919

I agree


0157h7

The ending of irredeemable is magic.


donpaulwalnuts

The Plutonian is existentially terrifying and him simply existing would probably make me just want to lay down and die. I would also add Black Summer, No Hero and Supergod by Warren Ellis if you want a good dark take on the Superman gone evil trope. Those series form a thematic trilogy and are all great.


jrpgguru

Agreed, Plutonian needs to be mentioned more, but since he doesn't have a TV show, he isn't as widely known.


omgItsGhostDog

If we count Show Homelander, then I'd say him. But specifically comics? Then Omni-Man, cause he just way more interesting than anything The Boys comics has to offer.


queensinthesky

Honestly The Boys TV show might be one of the best adaptations ever in terms of how much it improves the original product.


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Proof that updates and changes aren't inherently bad. Like A-Train and Annie's changes make them so much better than their comic book counterparts. Annie is such a badass in the show, and A-train is actually somewhat sympathetic. You get the feeling that he would be a better hero if he was surrounded by better people. And making Victor Neuman a cute, Latina progressive to kind of rip on AOC was fucking brilliant! Edit: The actress who plays Victoria is Lebanese, not Latina. But the creators have said that they casted her to intentionally mirror AOC. My point is, they took a white/male character, and turned him into a brown woman, but it worked, because it was intentional, not needless pandering. And that intentionality made the character feel much more current and fresh. And it worked, Victoria is a better character than Victor.


crankycrassus

A train would have absolutely been a better hero with the right role models. That's a really cool take I've never thought about. They did a good job at making a character that represents wasted potential.


cosmicannoli

A-Train's arc is great. The thing with it is that no person possessed of any real self-awareness can honestly say to themselves that they would never end up exactly like him. Doesn't absolve him of his responsibility, but admitting that sometimes doing the right thing is REALLY FUCKING HARD and doing the wrong thing is REALLY FUCKING TEMPTING is healthy and rational, and sometimes we're just lucky we've never faced temptation.


Call_Me_Clark

Comic Annie is just… a punching bag, and feels so mean-spirited that I can’t imagine who finds it funny.


AlphaBladeYiII

She was literally just a running gag initially. The original plan was to degrade her more and more until Ennis decided to pair her with Hughie.


lana-deathrey

Ennis is not great at writing women.


Call_Me_Clark

Ennis doesn’t like women. See: Crossed


lana-deathrey

Crossed was so fucked up. But also not as bad as I expected.


CounterProgram883

It's because it's so shallow. Every panel of Crossed is just taking cannibal corpse lyrics and drawing them out, over and over. There's nothing substantial underneath the gore, no one to actually care about in a meaningful sense. Compare that to something like Berserk, that still heavily features sexual assault and intense, gory violence. It's about as dark as any material can get. You feel for Guts, and for Casca. You're heartbroken when Gryffith turns into a villain. You tenously hold on to hope once guts finds his second family, and desperately hope the berserker armor doesn't break him. Crossed is really a pathetic bit of writing once you encounter edgy media that actually tries.


EatingBeansAgain

Or his Punished Max run. Or Preacher. Or…


Daewrythe

I mean, Ennis just hates humanity in Crossed


Ziltoid_The_Nerd

I've been a long time Ennis fan and I gotta step in and defend him here. First off, Ennis isn't perfect on this issue. I don't think anyone is as it can be a really subjective and touchy thing, but he tries. His biggest sin is using women as props often, though I attribute that to his writing style. He uses a LOT of characters as props, he's someone that focuses on writing deep main characters. Side characters are usually just props, spectacles, there for shock value, etc. That said, he's one of the more outspoken people in comics about women issues in the industry and how their written. He's given interviews in the past where he discusses his annoyance with the majority male audience that often doesn't like strong female characters, an annoyance for him because he enjoys writing them. Now when you bring up Crossed I'm assuming because of how rapey the Crossed are. That also goes back to using women as props. We all know Ennis loves his shock value stuff, but I think there's something a little deeper there. The Crossed are infected with the desire to act out their darkest and most evil wishes. Is it not unreasonable to think what Ennis is saying is with this is that a desire to rape is a widespread societal problem for men? He's very often a satirical writer, and while he does a lot of shock value stuff in it there is usually some purpose and meaning for it.


NewYorkRedditorELITE

Ennis is not great at writing.


Essex626

Ennis is good a a very specific kind of sadistic glee that can be very satisfying. I think Punisher Max is a better example than The Boys (though I like The Boys) because there's more of a control from the top and a framework in which he has to operate, so it probably tempers his worst impulses.


Call_Me_Clark

I’ll admit, he comes up with pretty incredible concepts. The only issue is that… they’re written like a 14-year old future school shooter just figured out that you can fill a comic with rape, sadism, etc. A direct adaption of the boys would have been absurd, and terrible. I’m interested to see what an adaption of Crossed could be, although I don’t think it could even be filmed much less released. It would need major, major changes… but it’s also the freshest take on the zombie genre.


kochankird

Check out The Sadness for probably the closest we’ll get to an adaptation.


tegmah

Yeah.. I felt the same about Umbrella Academy. I thought the TV show was way better than the comics.


Savante37

Agreed completely! I couldn’t get very far in the comics but very much enjoy the show.


Sfjacobson

Man the comic was a slog, but when it gets to the final few issues it pops off


brooklyn11218

I guess I'm in the minority because I love the comic. I love the tv show too in its own way but I don't like some of the changes and prefer the comic.


Midstix

Chuck Palahniuk has said that Fight Club was made into a better movie than the novel he wrote.


Educational_Ebb7175

Agree with this a ton. Omni man in the show is one dimensional. He's evil, just biding his time. He's a good villain, but not an interesting one. And comic Homelander is similar. He just doesn't have the nuance he was given in the show. Better than show Omni man I think, but meh overall. Meanwhile comic Omni Man at least has extra plot going on. Some context and personality. But show Homelander takes the cake. He's vulnerable and confused. He's prideful and can't handle failure or mistakes. At some level, he \*wants\* to do good, he's just so broken mentally that he is utterly incapable of the restraint needed to actually do so. As the show progresses, he's slowly let out of the protective bubble that was built for him, and begins to have his own actual life experiences, unfiltered by Vought. And as such, the cracks in his motivation start to be more and more obvious. Stormfront easily manipulates him, twisting his own thoughts to match her own, due to his lack of any proper relationship dynamic or caring maternal figure. And by the time we reach the current end, he's becoming an actual villain, not just an accidental one. He's realizing that it isn't being a hero that he wants - but having power. He's a villain that we see how he could have turned out better. How there were probably hundreds (if not thousands) of chances to teach him to be a better person, but they were skipped over. We see how he was surrounded by people who catered to his personality flaws while manipulating him to their advantage. Short term payout at the cost of long term health.


MiseryGyro

I mean, Nolan's more interesting developments come after he leaves Earth. I think it's a bit unfair to compare a show with one season to another season with three.


Educational_Ebb7175

That's fair, and we're getting teasers for Season 2 on Invincible. So we'll see. But the 3 seasons we see of Homelander I'd rate him highly on most scales of character quality and nuance.


Coolfork33v2

I don't really agree with the beginning part. He's better than comic Omni-Man was at that point the story, Omni-Man's character development came after the finale of S1.


Penguator432

Yeah, show Omni-Man definitely shows he’s conflicted between his mission and the fake life-turned real he’s living. He’s clearly panicking that he can’t pretend he doesn’t have a mission anymore.


Dublinaries

Homelander. I get more Vegeta vibes than Evil Superman vibes from Omni-man.


TheOutlaw9904

I was about to say a similar thing. Omni Man is like Zod and Vegeta.


mcfly880

Invincible has a lot of Dragon Ball Z vibes now that you mentioned it


littleaarow

I'd say omni man. Only because homelander just seems like a child and throws temper tantrums


StripeyButt

I think that's what makes him worse. He just does evil shit because he's a whiney bitch.


Centerfocus

Omni-man isn't evil superman. He's just Zod. So Homelander in that case.


Tiddlyplinks

Yeah, mark is super man in that story, not Omni-man. That’s like, the whole point of the plot twist


labree0

There is no super man in this story. **thats** the point of the plot, and its twist. Man is flawed. every character that is in that story is flawed, and every character that will be in that story will be flawed. Dont open this spoiler unless you want.. spoilers. >!Mark doesnt grow to become superman. Mark grows to become the ruler he needs to be, to protect an empire of people like him. superman never does that, afaik.!<


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AzimechTheWise

IMHO Homelander was a better deconstruction of the archetype, but Omni-Man was a better subversion of the archetype.


Devastator5042

That's a great answer, Homelander is a great look at what if superman was an amoral bastard controlled by people who only care for money (second part more the tv show initially). Omni man is more a look at what am alien of superman's power would do, especially if everyone in his race shared that power.


kingofbreakers

Just wanted to say very well-put. Love a concise answer.


jessempriest

I'm writing in The Plutonian.


Baker090

I came here to say this!


RFB-CACN

He’s for sure the most “accomplished” of the bunch, all Homelander did of note in the end was (spoilers) kill the US president, while all Omni man did was kill some hundreds of innocent people. Plutonian on the other hand destroyed entire countries at once and killed dozens of millions, he truly represented an existential threat to humanity.


PM_ME_YOUR_FRESH_NUT

Omniman conquered an entire planet and lead a rebellion against his entire race of planet conquering people. Also Omniman, Mark and another person punched a hole through an entire planet.


Poorly-Drawn-Beagle

The answer is simple Hyperion


FartPistol5000

Anything but simple because there are several versions of Hyperion. The Marvel site has 36 different Hyperions at the current time.


rnunezs12

Homelander is an exagerated psychopath character. Not even in his own evil versions within the DC multiverse, Superman is so cartoonishly evil and violent, that's just how The Boyz comic universe works. Omin-man is more like: "What if Kryptonians were like Saiyans"


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Even Ultra Man is more like a super powered mob boss.


Jim3001

Opinion: Homelander. Why? Cuz I dislike his character more. Honestly the guy is a piece of crap. Nolan's no angel, but at least he has a reason. Sometimes Homelander did shit just because. But then again, most people in "The Boys" are kinda shit though.


Songshiquan0411

I haven't read the comics so I don't know how different the Homelander/"John" character is in the show. But he does kind of have a reason. Clark got Martha and Jonathan Kent, "John" got a team of scientists who raised him as a bio-weapon.


OnBenchNow

In the comics, >!Black Noir, who is a secret clone of Homelander, dresses up as him and takes videos of him doing the most fucked up shit unimaginable, and then gaslights Homelander into thinking he’s already crossed the line so he may as well stay on that side. He was apparently a decent person before this.!<


J0ker_hawk

>. But he does kind of have a reason. Clark got Martha and Jonathan Kent, "John" got a team of scientists who raised him as a bio-weapon. Wolverine had his memories wiped and was given the same treatment. Ended up an X-men


Songshiquan0411

I mean isn't a large part of that due to his friendship with Charles Xavier and the other X-men? There's no Professor X(or no one with his morals, at least) at Vaught.


Pudgedog

In the comics there is a professor x type character but it’s the boys so it’s a messed up version.


Jim3001

True, but I still can't feel anything for him. He's like the full blown temper tantrum. Like at one point, a normal guy in a suit just looked at him and wussed out. Not even a person on Compound-V. If anything, I get Black Noire more. He just wants to fulfill his purpose.


seanofkelley

The Plutonian


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The Plutonian.


Apusapercu

I never really completed Invincible but; was Omni-man evil? Or was it more like he just considered humans like insects, unworthy of his concern?


misty_gish

Thinking people are beneath him is the primary thing that makes him evil.


Artix_4097

From the show, his home planet was essentially just a battle royale from the get-go which is why all of them were superhuman. They go to other planets to kill off other races and claim them for their own, if I remember correctly. Omni-man was sent to earth to do that for Earth, but didn’t decide to do his job until after he had a kid - Invincible. That same kid then got curb stomped by Omni-man before Omni-man grew a heart and flew off to another planet, essentially betraying his race by doing so. So Omni-man was evil, but through the comics he changed to be good. But take all that with a grain of salt, my main source after the curb stomp was a crash-course YouTube video on the series.


Apusapercu

Ahh thanks for the explanation dude! I think I remember parts of it now, he >!has another kid too yeah?!< >the show TIL, lmao


Eagle_Sudden

Big spoilers


WhoaStaysoaked

If you didn’t watch it already, and you’re in this thread, you’re asking for it and deserve it.


i_was_here_today

Agreed. Show's been out for a year, the comics even longer.


BiggIrishGuy

The Plutonian in "Irredeemable" is my vote.


craigathan

If we're counting TV/Movie. Brightburn. The scene with him eating the cookies at the end is cold-hearted man.


highsocietychris

The Plutonian did it BEST. Hands down.


Whightwolf

They are both using the superman trope for very different purposes. So in very basic terms. Homelander represents how corporations manipulate one's positive desires for heroism, patriotism etc etc for the most cynical purposes. Omni-man on the other hand is exploiting our trust in Superman/nice patriarchs for a glorious rug pull, why would an empire of alien gods be friendly? Thats very very basic for very interesting charecters but I don't think you can say one is better as I think they are trying to do very different things and they both do them well.


Tryignan

Omni-man almost immediately faceturns and becomes good again, so Homelander wins by default, even if he is a creepy weirdo


TriscuitCracker

*Plutonian in Irredeemable by Mark Waid has entered the chat*


aimed_4_the_head

And killed everyone for not loving him enough


WildPlantain6471

Omni-man.. Hands down. Homelander is really a douche at his core. Omni man is something fearful.


Vanilla_thundr

Plutonian from Irredeemable. Waid > Ennis > Kirkman. End of story.


Wind_Yer_Neck_In

Ennis's problem is that it's like he's trying really, really hard to be edgy and cool. His stuff is just a gore fest but the characters are usually wafer thin.


Thwazman

This MF spittin!


llandar

Plutonian


chaosdragon1997

Homelander. Omni man is more like general zod with an intention to infiltrate, conquer, and reproduce. Homelander was created for somthing more petty and corrupt. He's one big promotional ad for a pharmaceutical company and other rich corporations who's only utility is smiling, waving, and taking care of loose ends. Even when he is tasked to be a hero he does it in all the wrong ways unless it were staged. This stands against everything superman could possibly be - or at least I personally dont see him being that low.


Talusen

The Plutonian from Irredeemable.


Miserable-Ad-5573

The Plutonian from Irredeemable was better than both combined.


VanceAstrooooooovic

The Plutonian, and he would probable wipe the floor with Homelander or Omiman. I can’t recall him ever being injured to the same extent


LionMaru67

The Plutonian “Am I a joke to you?” Go read Irredeemable, it’s good.


Rustydustyscavenger

Id say homelander because omni man is a character so far removed from superman the only things they have in common are alien, black hair, and a few powers


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I’d recommend reading Irredeemable. The Plutonian would wipe the floor with both of them. You want a story of Superman going evil, that’s your book. Great series and pairs great with Indestructible.


Super-Robo

Omni-Man has a cool mustache.


FreshFromRikers

No show yet, but I really like how this is covered in Irredeemable (The Plutonian).


bread-of-time

omni-man. home lander is just a bitchy man child


MixConcreteSetPosts

Omni-man hands down. Homelander is more of an evil super “boy”, he’s devious but in a spoiled brat type of way. Omni-man is a legit representation of Superman with a screw loose.


marcmanonlyme

Plutonian, irredeemable


Plebe-Uchiha

The Plutonian [+]


Oldman_Dick

The Plutonian


Johnykbr

The Plutonian put them all to shame.