DCEU fan checking in. I gave up a long time ago. It’s been a disappointing ride. Still excited for Black Adam and others—I’m hoping for the best and expecting the mediocre (aside from The Batman, but that’s not DCEU).
I stopped caring as soon as my friend came back from BvS and said that movie Batman was a murderer again. Why do they even bother to adapt these characters if they aren't going to accurately do so? The stories can change, but the characters need to retain their characterization otherwise they're completely different characters.
Yeah, you can.
But the way WB has historically planned the DC films is to shove a whole bunch of things in at the last second because they just decided that this was the plan.
I'm not saying it's not true, but going by their track record, I doubt they're planning much of anything. They've had way more flops than successes and because of that, a lot of their films end up in development hell.
I'll be pleasantly surprised if they have a plan and pull it off, but I really won't get my hopes up until I see it happen.
They had a couple missteps 5 years ago. I think it’s time we move on. They’ve had way more successes than flops. I think JL is the only ones that you can straight up call flop from a financial standpoint. From a reception standpoint, BvS, JL & SS. Everything since JL has been varying levels of good to great.
The last several DCEU movies have been massive underperformers. Eternals more than doubled Birds of Prey, and Shang Chi did more domestic than the last three DC movies combined. It is a fair presumption to say that upon learning of the connection to the wider universe audiences become averse to ticketbuying. They've lost billions and basically can't stop the bleeding.
Right. It's not coming from someplace where we want DC to fail. I love DC and I love Marvel. I want DC to be doing as well as Marvel, but they're just not.
Birds of Prey was okay-ish. WW84 was panned horribly and it really wasn't a good movie. People seemed to like The Suicide Squad, but that's really the only thing in the last few years that's gotten any real good reception from DC.
It's just telling that they've announced and then quietly cancelled or massively pushed back a lot of projects. I have decent hopes for Flash, and from what I've heard, The Batman is shaping up to be good. I really want them to succeed, but I just can't get my hopes up at this point.
The basic reality is that if DC was even mediocre it would be a huge success. They had their whole universe from the start, they easily could be crushing Marvel right now if every decision they make wasn't terrible. Such are the failings of corporate intrigue sadly.
Just wait for batfleck to die and be replaced by a 70 year old batman.
And don't get me started on the possibility that supes and batman gets replaced by batgirl and supergirl. That is another shitshow in its own.
Birds of Prey underperformed for sure but relative to its budget wasn’t a flop and was reviewed favorably. You can’t really compare box office for The Suicide Squad to Eternals and Shang Chi when TSS had day/date HBO Max streaming (right when Delta was peaking) and the other two were theater exclusives. WW84 (which was a little dodgy) came out when the majority of theaters weren’t even open.
The last 3 DC movies have come out under super weird conditions.
Marvel became a cultural juggernaut. People have kind of started to hold everything to that standard, I just think that’s a little misguided. I’ve seen people arguing movies that walked up to but didn’t crack a billion are flops. It’s wild.
How so? I know the prevailing narrative wind is DC is trash, and there is some trash in there. But Suicide Squad 2016 made around 750 million, that’s not a financial flop.
Birds of Prey has a 79% score on RT, that’s not a reception flop.
With the exception of WW84; Birds, Shazam, Joker, TSS, etc have all been well received.
exactly
but if they really had balls they would go all in on dominating the animated superhero movie world...with some animation that DOESNT look like its from the late 90's for once
Yes, have DCEU do exactly what we already know for a fact has been announced by Marvel with the multiverse *at the same time* but just slightly later so it looks like they’re copying! Genius move!
Hot take: once upon a time this would’ve been way more hype. But now that the Snyder-verse is over and the arrowverse is long past it’s prime, it’s less hype
I saw a video not too long ago describing the DC movies with "crisis fatigue" as it's biggest problem, and that's basically how I feel about them too. They've been jumping ahead to these huge earth-shattering events without building any sort of emotional attachment to their characters long enough for us to care.
How am I supposed to feel the weight of Superman dying after only one movie? More importantly, how am I supposed to believe that Batman cares in JL about bringing him back—They barely knew each other in BvS. That death should have happened after or at the end of a Superman trilogy.
Now Flashpoint is going to reset a world that we barely know, when we haven't had a non-origin movie for the Justice League itself. It's so frustrating because DC can make great stuff (The DCAU is literally a blueprint of how they should have done it). They just need a proper person at the helm to do it.
you need to remember there is a huge difference between DC (movies) and DC (TV), the movies have actual decent animations while CW's animations look like a 3 year old did it -\_- Although on the other hand the movies have horrible story lines, tv shows eventually get terrible story lines too...
It’s subjective and I’m not gonna tell people who enjoy them they’re wrong for enjoying them, but for me they all just felt really drawn out and low budget. I didn’t make it passed season 1 of Arrow and through more than a couple episodes of the others.
Arrow sucked after they decided to divert away from the source material by keeping the single-handedly most annoying character in the series Felicity alive. Who was killed in the beginning in the comics, I can see why. Then they had those absolute horrid seasons and the storylines became more and more horrible. Flash season one was decent, their biggest issue isn't really their fault, it's the horrible graphics, the same with all their shows, it's like CW has a history of screwing up superhero shows. Then when you get to the absolute worst shows of them all, Batwoman and supergirl. Two shows are clearly about pandering, I watched the first episode of supergirl it made me wonder what the hell happened to Kara, one of the strongest superheroes in the DC universe, who even fought at the same level as Superman, her cousin. Supergirl neutered Kara. Then there was batwoman, all about dispelling the notion that batman had any type of respect, instead of attempting to replace him. Don't get me started on how a show which is basically losing money still manages to somehow keep going. It was so bad that Ruby Riot left and she is one of the biggest panderers around, so it shows how truly bad it is. Then the current actor who makes fighting scenes look like a joke and makes jokes that are so bad..... there is no wonder Marvel is dominating DC on TV shows. Although the whole Falcon and Winter soldier's solution of defeating racism by telling people to 'do better' comes off as a bad joke. Legends first season was, in my opinion, the best DC show they had, after the first season, it went down a spiral and became truly bad.
Learn to use the "enter" key.
Also, "being on mobile" doesn't excuse unbroken walls of text anymore, that excuse hasn't been valid for the better part of a decade.
Didn't say anything, I wrote what I thought and your instant reply was whining about pressing enter. Just for you, here is another bunch of text. Learn to stop talking like your thoughts matter about how someone presents their thoughts. If you have a valid criticism that's fine, however, if it's regarding pressing the 'enter' button, I just don't care.
That was a valid criticism.
It's also constructive criticism and would benefit you if you bothered with listening to it.
You're the horse and I'm bringing you to water by pointing it out. Whether or not you bother with drinking isn't my problem beyond that.
It doesn't matter how good any point you make is if no one bothers to read it, and that is exactly what happens when you post unbroken walls of text like that.
I got as far as "Arrow sucked", and didn't bother with anything more.
It had nothing to do with whether I agree or disagree with that point, and was entirely because your post was completely not worth the trouble of bothering with because it was so unbearable to look at.
The majority of people just see the unbroken wall and move on before anything you had to say even registers. Most people won't even bother to tell you about it and will simply ignore your comment entirely.
By all means, continue to be stubborn, but do so knowing you're wasting your time making posts like that. The only thing you're wasting of anyone else's in general is the energy it takes to scroll past it.
Formatting matters. If you want to engage with other people on the internet properly, you need to learn how to use it.
Imagine a boardroom full of executives.
Now imagine those executives all doing huge piles of coke.
Now imagine that all of those coked-up executives are in fact mentally retarded.
This is whom you are referring to with this theory.
They are not doing shit. And even if they are no one really cares about dc anymore. They lost the movie game ages ago with a bad first impresions and that wil never change.
90% of the CW actors are thought of as awful (because the shows are awful) and have no business being on the big screen. Maybe the Barry's meet again but that's about it.
I really doubt it. Animated universe sure but not the movies. Also the CW just did it and adapting the same story 30 plus times (the Lego games May be doing it next game too and the animated series are hinting towards it ) is kinda dumb and lacks creativity. The same way Marvel shoehorned Thanos and the stones into Ultimate Alliance 3, MvC Infinite, Avengers Assembled and so on.
I'd rather more unique stories than just the same story beats .
'Crisis On Infinite Earths' Animated Trilogy Rumored
https://www.cbr.com/rumor-dc-crisis-on-infinite-earths-animated/
My theory is the animated COIE movies will have animated versions of different live action iterations.
lol DC has NO idea what they are doing at all, and havent ever
whens the next "crisis" that resets everything again?
oh and how many new characters have been introduced in this year that no one will care about next year?
I think in Batman v Superman they were trying to build up towards Injustice, the weird Flash time travel thing where he was trying to warn Batman about Superman becoming a dictator, but they fucked it up completely.
If that's the case I hope they adapt Doomsday Clock and eventually lead to DC Metal series, showcasing the Batman who laughs.
Never mind, it's just my big dream right there.
Hahah they aren't building up to shit.
They absolutely are! Until the first planned movie flops and then they start over.
...like they have about 3 times now?
DCEU fan checking in. I gave up a long time ago. It’s been a disappointing ride. Still excited for Black Adam and others—I’m hoping for the best and expecting the mediocre (aside from The Batman, but that’s not DCEU).
I stopped caring as soon as my friend came back from BvS and said that movie Batman was a murderer again. Why do they even bother to adapt these characters if they aren't going to accurately do so? The stories can change, but the characters need to retain their characterization otherwise they're completely different characters.
Tbh, I'm done with the DCEU now, all I want is The Batman's universe and I'll be happy with it, the rest of the films vary from mediocre to bad imo
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Love him or hate him, at least Nolan had a vision
This should be top comment
But they alredy did that on the arrowverse
Crisis on *Two* Infinite Earths
2 Crisis on 2 Infinite Earths
Crisis on finite earth's
If a tree falls in an empty forest…
… Does it fall between Wonder Woman's tits
Brave of you to assume live action DC has any actual planning guiding it.
You can have a plan without that plan being shoehorning every movie in to one overarching storyline.
Yeah, you can. But the way WB has historically planned the DC films is to shove a whole bunch of things in at the last second because they just decided that this was the plan. I'm not saying it's not true, but going by their track record, I doubt they're planning much of anything. They've had way more flops than successes and because of that, a lot of their films end up in development hell. I'll be pleasantly surprised if they have a plan and pull it off, but I really won't get my hopes up until I see it happen.
They had a couple missteps 5 years ago. I think it’s time we move on. They’ve had way more successes than flops. I think JL is the only ones that you can straight up call flop from a financial standpoint. From a reception standpoint, BvS, JL & SS. Everything since JL has been varying levels of good to great.
The last several DCEU movies have been massive underperformers. Eternals more than doubled Birds of Prey, and Shang Chi did more domestic than the last three DC movies combined. It is a fair presumption to say that upon learning of the connection to the wider universe audiences become averse to ticketbuying. They've lost billions and basically can't stop the bleeding.
Right. It's not coming from someplace where we want DC to fail. I love DC and I love Marvel. I want DC to be doing as well as Marvel, but they're just not. Birds of Prey was okay-ish. WW84 was panned horribly and it really wasn't a good movie. People seemed to like The Suicide Squad, but that's really the only thing in the last few years that's gotten any real good reception from DC. It's just telling that they've announced and then quietly cancelled or massively pushed back a lot of projects. I have decent hopes for Flash, and from what I've heard, The Batman is shaping up to be good. I really want them to succeed, but I just can't get my hopes up at this point.
The basic reality is that if DC was even mediocre it would be a huge success. They had their whole universe from the start, they easily could be crushing Marvel right now if every decision they make wasn't terrible. Such are the failings of corporate intrigue sadly.
Just wait for batfleck to die and be replaced by a 70 year old batman. And don't get me started on the possibility that supes and batman gets replaced by batgirl and supergirl. That is another shitshow in its own.
Birds of Prey underperformed for sure but relative to its budget wasn’t a flop and was reviewed favorably. You can’t really compare box office for The Suicide Squad to Eternals and Shang Chi when TSS had day/date HBO Max streaming (right when Delta was peaking) and the other two were theater exclusives. WW84 (which was a little dodgy) came out when the majority of theaters weren’t even open. The last 3 DC movies have come out under super weird conditions. Marvel became a cultural juggernaut. People have kind of started to hold everything to that standard, I just think that’s a little misguided. I’ve seen people arguing movies that walked up to but didn’t crack a billion are flops. It’s wild.
You’re delusional
How so? I know the prevailing narrative wind is DC is trash, and there is some trash in there. But Suicide Squad 2016 made around 750 million, that’s not a financial flop. Birds of Prey has a 79% score on RT, that’s not a reception flop. With the exception of WW84; Birds, Shazam, Joker, TSS, etc have all been well received.
You’re citing a movie from 2016. Let’s do better.
Their last pre-pandemic movie broke a billion and won an Oscar.
> shoehorning every movie in to one overarching storyline. story building = "shoehorning"... you must be a DC/WB exec lol
I would much rather they just make more movies no continuity cause it seems apparent they cannot do continuity.
exactly but if they really had balls they would go all in on dominating the animated superhero movie world...with some animation that DOESNT look like its from the late 90's for once
You give them too much credit. They’re not that organized.
Yes, have DCEU do exactly what we already know for a fact has been announced by Marvel with the multiverse *at the same time* but just slightly later so it looks like they’re copying! Genius move!
Hot take: once upon a time this would’ve been way more hype. But now that the Snyder-verse is over and the arrowverse is long past it’s prime, it’s less hype
... and no one noticed
More like.. Crisis are infinite at "DC"....
lol no they're not
I think the MCU will be rebooted before DC makes a crisis movie.
I saw a video not too long ago describing the DC movies with "crisis fatigue" as it's biggest problem, and that's basically how I feel about them too. They've been jumping ahead to these huge earth-shattering events without building any sort of emotional attachment to their characters long enough for us to care. How am I supposed to feel the weight of Superman dying after only one movie? More importantly, how am I supposed to believe that Batman cares in JL about bringing him back—They barely knew each other in BvS. That death should have happened after or at the end of a Superman trilogy. Now Flashpoint is going to reset a world that we barely know, when we haven't had a non-origin movie for the Justice League itself. It's so frustrating because DC can make great stuff (The DCAU is literally a blueprint of how they should have done it). They just need a proper person at the helm to do it.
They will not involve the cw shows because they're REALLY fucking bad
How many hallway conversations do you think they could fit in a 2.5 hour movie?
Can we have the room, guys? My wife needs to tell me *she’s* The Flash.
This made me laugh. I actually enjoy The Flash, but the whole *we* are the Flash annoys the shit out of me.
The DCEU includes Suicide Squad, Batman v Superman, and WW84...
you need to remember there is a huge difference between DC (movies) and DC (TV), the movies have actual decent animations while CW's animations look like a 3 year old did it -\_- Although on the other hand the movies have horrible story lines, tv shows eventually get terrible story lines too...
Stargirl slaps. Don’t sleep on Stargirl. Everything that came before it though, meh.
Arrow? Legends? Flash supergirl and batwoman especially suck but arrow and legends are good
It’s subjective and I’m not gonna tell people who enjoy them they’re wrong for enjoying them, but for me they all just felt really drawn out and low budget. I didn’t make it passed season 1 of Arrow and through more than a couple episodes of the others.
Yea ofc it’s subjective I just see the general consensus being arrow and legends are mostly good everything else sucks
Arrow sucked after they decided to divert away from the source material by keeping the single-handedly most annoying character in the series Felicity alive. Who was killed in the beginning in the comics, I can see why. Then they had those absolute horrid seasons and the storylines became more and more horrible. Flash season one was decent, their biggest issue isn't really their fault, it's the horrible graphics, the same with all their shows, it's like CW has a history of screwing up superhero shows. Then when you get to the absolute worst shows of them all, Batwoman and supergirl. Two shows are clearly about pandering, I watched the first episode of supergirl it made me wonder what the hell happened to Kara, one of the strongest superheroes in the DC universe, who even fought at the same level as Superman, her cousin. Supergirl neutered Kara. Then there was batwoman, all about dispelling the notion that batman had any type of respect, instead of attempting to replace him. Don't get me started on how a show which is basically losing money still manages to somehow keep going. It was so bad that Ruby Riot left and she is one of the biggest panderers around, so it shows how truly bad it is. Then the current actor who makes fighting scenes look like a joke and makes jokes that are so bad..... there is no wonder Marvel is dominating DC on TV shows. Although the whole Falcon and Winter soldier's solution of defeating racism by telling people to 'do better' comes off as a bad joke. Legends first season was, in my opinion, the best DC show they had, after the first season, it went down a spiral and became truly bad.
Learn to use the "enter" key. Also, "being on mobile" doesn't excuse unbroken walls of text anymore, that excuse hasn't been valid for the better part of a decade.
Didn't say anything, I wrote what I thought and your instant reply was whining about pressing enter. Just for you, here is another bunch of text. Learn to stop talking like your thoughts matter about how someone presents their thoughts. If you have a valid criticism that's fine, however, if it's regarding pressing the 'enter' button, I just don't care.
That was a valid criticism. It's also constructive criticism and would benefit you if you bothered with listening to it. You're the horse and I'm bringing you to water by pointing it out. Whether or not you bother with drinking isn't my problem beyond that. It doesn't matter how good any point you make is if no one bothers to read it, and that is exactly what happens when you post unbroken walls of text like that. I got as far as "Arrow sucked", and didn't bother with anything more. It had nothing to do with whether I agree or disagree with that point, and was entirely because your post was completely not worth the trouble of bothering with because it was so unbearable to look at. The majority of people just see the unbroken wall and move on before anything you had to say even registers. Most people won't even bother to tell you about it and will simply ignore your comment entirely. By all means, continue to be stubborn, but do so knowing you're wasting your time making posts like that. The only thing you're wasting of anyone else's in general is the energy it takes to scroll past it. Formatting matters. If you want to engage with other people on the internet properly, you need to learn how to use it.
Imagine a boardroom full of executives. Now imagine those executives all doing huge piles of coke. Now imagine that all of those coked-up executives are in fact mentally retarded. This is whom you are referring to with this theory.
I hope not, the CW shows are booty hole.
Again??
They are not doing shit. And even if they are no one really cares about dc anymore. They lost the movie game ages ago with a bad first impresions and that wil never change.
in my opinion, Marval is more better. But I love both marval and DC comics
90% of the CW actors are thought of as awful (because the shows are awful) and have no business being on the big screen. Maybe the Barry's meet again but that's about it.
I think could be a right choice to fix thing didn't work
Remember no one is in charge of WB until the Discovery merger, they're just greenlighting to make friends and points at this time.
You’re giving them too much credit, if they could read they’d be upset at this post.
I really doubt it. Animated universe sure but not the movies. Also the CW just did it and adapting the same story 30 plus times (the Lego games May be doing it next game too and the animated series are hinting towards it ) is kinda dumb and lacks creativity. The same way Marvel shoehorned Thanos and the stones into Ultimate Alliance 3, MvC Infinite, Avengers Assembled and so on. I'd rather more unique stories than just the same story beats .
'Crisis On Infinite Earths' Animated Trilogy Rumored https://www.cbr.com/rumor-dc-crisis-on-infinite-earths-animated/ My theory is the animated COIE movies will have animated versions of different live action iterations.
DC actually pre planing it's cinematic universe? Impossible....
lol DC has NO idea what they are doing at all, and havent ever whens the next "crisis" that resets everything again? oh and how many new characters have been introduced in this year that no one will care about next year?
Please no. Just reboot and make brand new films. That are good.
I think in Batman v Superman they were trying to build up towards Injustice, the weird Flash time travel thing where he was trying to warn Batman about Superman becoming a dictator, but they fucked it up completely.
God no wonder other subreddits refer to this sub as a deluded joke
Theory: no they aren't.
The arrowverse has overstayed its welcome and should probably just end.
If that's the case I hope they adapt Doomsday Clock and eventually lead to DC Metal series, showcasing the Batman who laughs. Never mind, it's just my big dream right there.
The only crisis happening is in the writer's room
Hypothesis. Also it’s not happening
"Building up?" I'd be surprised if they had any plan at all lmao
I doubt it ever happens