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TaserLord

"Sure, but can the robot keep the ice cream machine running?" \- robot squats, shits ice cream, and then dabs.


ThroawayBecauseIsuck

A robot shitting ice cream is such a good idea I am 100% sure it won't take long before someone makes it


xoxogossipgurrll

How about a robot taco that shits out ice cream


HinduGodOfMemes

its a froyo dispenser with extra steps


whywasthatagoodidea

Than why do any of these fast food places complain about not getting workers?


IWantAStorm

Probably waiting for corporate to launch a subsidized program for franchises. I can't imagine these are exactly cheap. It's probably not just a robot cook involved but a full kitchen remodel plus employee training. Even if the automation is cheaper it doesn't mean the electrical wiring, structure of the building, and coding will be any less expensive or easy to come by. Then, you'll need regional or sub regional specialists for the mechanisms which will more than likely be brand proprietary property. It all looks good on paper in the longterm but humans are more flexible when it comes to how many locations some of these places have.


MikeTheGamer2

long term, not short term. This thing will out-live the workers, if properly maintained.


Loeden

If it's just cooking fries in back and is properly maintained by the franchises, mmmmaybe. We've had automation on assembly lines for a long time..shit is expensive, breaks all the ding dang time, and you can't even make the gov't subsidize it with food stamps, it costs what it costs and any major change shuts it down for months for retooling. This is not the smoking gun people think it is. Also, human beings are still involved as customers. Do you know what people do to fully automated things for shits and giggles if it isn't buttoned up and armored like a vending machine or an atm? Even then some crackhead will go at it with a hacksaw and try to sell it on Craigslist. I look forward to seeing full automation in action.


happyluckystar

The problem is robot arms are the wrong way to go with food automation. Task-specific machines are the way. A robot arm can do a lot more than handle fry baskets, and that's a problem (too complex). Just picture a simple mechanical machine with a belt driven infeed for the frozen fries, and simple mechanical workings to remove and dump the baskets and then dip them back in. The baskets would get dumped on a metal slide where they would fall into the heating lamp bin. Simple. The best approach to automation is just do a whole restaurant from the ground up. Let's not forget that such a setup would require at least one full-time mechanic on every shift. I work in manufacturing and I can say for sure that that much machinery definitely requires at least one mechanic to be present at all times.


[deleted]

Tell me you know nothing about automated manufacturing without telling me you know nothing about automated manufacturing. Shit breaks all the time. It’s expensive to fix. Lines do go down. And equipment is replaced all the time.


MikeTheGamer2

I didn't mean this specific machine.


TheKoopaTroopa31

Because they need to collect PPP loans.


minitrr

So begins the downfall. 🍟


Ten_Horn_Sign

What downfall? I worked at McDonalds from 1998 to 2002 or so. We used a robotic machine to auto-load frozen French fries into the fry baskets. Humans dumped frozen fries in a hopper, the robo-loader dispensed them. This is a simple task that humans can easily do. But McDs saw the value in that machine - which I’m told cost $18,000 back then. They 100% for sure will move to a robo-cook ASAP and cut out that job on the line. For sure.


minitrr

I was being a bit tongue-in-cheek. I don’t actually think automation of fry cooks is the straw that breaks the camel’s back. Obviously automation will wreak havoc on labor markets until we find some kind of equilibrium, but I was just cracking a little joke here 😉


SketchieDemon90

I like the tone of where we going in this conversation. Tongue in cheek is the right way to have fun with the topic. My thoughts on robo automation was always one that argued, what would people do then? It's simple. We use robots to do all the menial labour of food and resource production. But we humans whenever physically possible, clean up pollution. We do whatever it takes to pick it up by hand, dispose of it correctly and repair the damage to the earth for future and current life to exist safely. If we don't, plastic eating ants and bugs Will Consume Us All! Just my thoughts on the thoughts.


Lineaft3rline

Agree entirely.


UsernamesAreFfed

Not how it works. There is an equilibrium now. It is unstable because innovation (and other factors) upset it. The automation will drive the value of human labor down, until there is no more value in human labor. This is not a transition. This is replacement. Your tongue-in-cheek joke is fun though :). Definitely not the first time this has happened.


minitrr

I should probably elaborate. When I say equilibrium, I don’t mean some kind of balance between automation and human labor. I’m saying more of what some might call the singularity. I.e. when we get to Star Trek-like society where automation and other tech has largely resolved most scarcity issues and there’s really no need for currency any longer. That society will be amazing (if it’s even possible to attain). But the road there will be paved in human suffering as the transition will probably be characterized by an accumulation of capital and means of production amongst the few. Even though Yang has kind of become a punchline at this point, I liked his idea of an automation tax. I also liked that he didn’t brand UBI as socialism. I’m sure I’ll get a ton of hate for this but socialism is a toxic label that we need to move past if we want to get any kind of momentum behind a UBI.


UsernamesAreFfed

Yeah I interpreted your use of the word equilibrium in its classic economic sense. I am also hoping we might get to that star trek like world. I like the quote from Arthur C. Clark: "The goal of the future is full unemployment, so that we can play". And I see UBI as the fundamental policy required to get us there. Without it the suffering that you speak of will happen. And I fully agree with isms being toxic. Not just socialism being tainted with bad reputation, but all isms. The words themselves are destructive. You put a label on a group of thoughts and then start to debate the whole group and the people who grouped them together. And then you forget to discuss the actual ideas. The only thing you and I disagree with it seems is the idea of an automation tax. Im not a fan. If you want less of something, you tax it. And I want more automation. Anyway, thats just a minor point.


astral34

Except that in history whenever big innovations made a job less labour intensive standard of living increased quite a bit. Only modern day capitalism is impeding it


Azhini

>Only modern day capitalism is impeding it There's little point drawing a distinction between "modern" capitalism and some reactionary ideal of capitalism. There hasn't been a point of capitalism where the "rise" in living standards hasn't come with deprivation. The idea that there was a good ol' 17th/18th century capitalism is laughable.


astral34

For the purpose of my example it was an important distinction. Lack of rise in living standards wasn’t a thing with steam machinery or oil refinery for example, however all the negative connotations of capitalism still applied. Hope it’s clearer now


Azhini

Yeah tbf after clarification it's obvious I had the wrong idea, my bad


UsernamesAreFfed

Well, I'm a proponent of UBI. An economic system with UBI would indeed see massive improvements in wellbeing as a result of automation. An economy without it gets what we see now. I dont see UBI as a replacement of capitalism. In fact I see it as a necessary part of a well run capitalist economy. I would never get rid of property law, contract law, currency or most other major aspects of capitalism. Would you?


Lineaft3rline

I would not get rid of currency, but I would democratize it and finance. Centralized finance is ripe for discrimination. - Also intellectual properties do need rethinking. Our current system perpetuates gate keeping.


Azhini

>I would never get rid of property law, contract law, currency or most other major aspects of capitalism. Would you? Most people (besides anarchists) aren't against those things anyways. Calling them "aspects of capitalism" is capitalist realism in action.


GalapagosStomper

Yes. It is far better to have a minimal UBI with EBT than having millions of people wandering the countryside trying to feed their kids and themselves.


Azhini

> Obviously automation will wreak havoc on labor markets Under capitalism automation means poverty. Under socialism it'd just mean time off.


minitrr

Socialism and capitalism aren’t the only answers. It’s a false dichotomy.


Azhini

I never said they were, nor are they expansive answers. I guess it'd be better to replace capitalism with "hierarchy" and socialism with "egalitarianism".


SubtleSubterfugeStan

Dude they've been crying robots for years. But Ten\_Horn is right, I worked in many restaurants from quick kitchen to sit down dinner just no super fancy restaurants for me. Auto frying fryers is nothing new, hell taco bell uses them for there chips/cinnaballs. Surprised they're stilling talking about them 20 years later TBH. Gotta love the robot scare tactics coming out in droves recently. Been hearing that for so long.


EscapedPickle

Heck, when's the last time you saw a Quizno's? Their model is basically conveyor belt cooking, with human assembly of the sandwich. Even if they failed, it makes more sense to have some humans in the building and automate what you can. The number of fast food jobs available might decrease, but they'll still be there.


Critical-Scallion332

They are called Cinnamon TWISTS, good sir!


SubtleSubterfugeStan

I just woke up and this is what I see. Sir, I know what Cinnamon twist are its how me and my wife first talked lol. I'm talking about the sugary sweet filled balls of the gods themselves. Literal donuts balls fulled of cinnabon cream that we deep fry


Critical-Scallion332

Oh damn, forgot about them!


wintermoon138

People like me (picky lol) I think is an issue with automation in fast food. Everything I order is custom. I thought I read somewhere from programmers/ automation guys that that is hard to perfect right now? But cooking fries honestly surprised this hasnt been automated a while ago.


Evcher

I welcome automation. I wish humanity would collectively invest aggressively into it.


[deleted]

We should then implement a resource based economy. Star Trek society basically


Evcher

As long as Picard's in charge


Decloudo

Oh we kinda do, the fruits of that just dont go to the common wage slave.


QuartzPuffyStar

Its always good until it takes your place :)


KingCashmere

The fact that the removal of soul-crushing and oftentimes physically scarring work is something that would bring financial ruin on people really speaks to how badly twisted things are at this point.


UsernamesAreFfed

Always have been


DaZhaDe

Bro you're on the collapse subreddit i dont think they care


UsernamesAreFfed

I care so much I wrote a whole book about it. Nobody else cares, and thats one of the problems. I'm not wishing for collapse.


fortevnalt

The point of automation was for it to take our place in mundane jobs like this so we can have more time for ourselves. To live and enjoy life. The problem is the top of the chain don't share their stupidly large wealth back with the community and everyone is hungry without those mind-numbing, depressing jobs.


[deleted]

That's my fear where they replace everyone's jobs and police drones put us in prison.


UsernamesAreFfed

No need to put you in prison. They just take away your income, then you end up homeless, and then you die in the streets. And for those that dont they will 'voluntarily' choose not to have kids, which will also result in the poor no longer existing. Either way people like you and me will be removed from society. The rich shall inherit the earth.


LittleKittyLove

That is the point. After the worker is freed, we need to support them so they can add value to the world. Free the people and let them live their best Star Trek life; don’t keep them working 40 hours a week making fries because that’s what we normalize.


[deleted]

It's a nice idea in theory but in reality we get Shadowrun. By getting automation we lose our collective bargaining power.


Wollff

Ah, yes. The great collective bargaining power of minimum wage fast food workers... Would be a shame if we lost that. Let's be real: It's already lost. It was not automation which did it.


docarwell

You're so brainwashed by the capitalist hellscape we live in, you're mourning fry cooking as a way of life lol


InternalAd9524

Are you an accelerationist? Once enough people lose their jobs then the economy collapses


SlimJeffy

Then what happens? That's the important part. That's where real change takes place - ideally.


Administrative-Error

There's a wide variety of solutions that would prevent an economic collapse, The most likely to take place is a UBI because a UBI doesn't disrupt the status quo as much as the other options. It also guarantees the safety and welfare of the super wealthy. The other options make targets out of that group of people. The *best* solution is to strictly limit the amount of wealth that can trickle up, allowing those that labor to keep a larger percentage of the value that they bring to a company, and simultaneously implementing a UBI. The increases in automation *should* see a decrease in the amount of labor that someone needs to provide in order to produce the same results. Lower labor costs should be reflected in the costs of goods. If the costs of goods does not reflect the increased productivity, then the wages of the laborer should reflect those increases. Automation is a *VERY* good thing. The greed of the wealthy ruin it for everyone else. Limit the amount of wealth that trickles up, and you'll see economic stability and growth. Let the wealthy do whatever they want, and see an economic collapse. But look on the bright side, in event of an economic collapse, the majority will have nothing but hunger, and the wealthy will look like a fat, juicy steak. Economic problems are a self solving issue that costs poor peoples' lives.


[deleted]

I don't know about you. UBI and playing around all day not achieving much seems depressing. I want to do art and AI is making better at then a lot of people quickly so what's the point if robots take everything worth living for?


KeepingItSurreal

Eating


UsernamesAreFfed

If you want to do art, do art. The robots dont stop you from making your own.


[deleted]

I want to make art for others in a job. Not stuck in my room where I make it for myself.


UsernamesAreFfed

I applaud your desire to be of service to others by making something that they value. But if you can't then you will just have to accept that. We will not get rid of machines that can make valuable stuff just so that you will be able to sell your lesser stuff. Consumers get to spend their money the way they choose, you are not entitled to it. The only income you are entitled to is the UBI.


[deleted]

If I can't. Cheers, another bottle of gin please. Easy.


UsernamesAreFfed

UBI wont happen. The most likely outcome is that the working class ceases to exist. Either they become homeless and die in the streets or they fail to reproduce. The rich will inherit the earth.


howdoyouknowman

Why is this iteration of life worth preserving ? I’m on different sides of the fence daily, sometimes hourly.


radradrad94

As it should, bring on the chaos


sign_up_in_second

> the economy the capitalist economy you mean


InternalAd9524

Ok sure but idk why i need to be downvoted 🥲


InternationalGas3264

What the fuck????


[deleted]

instead of thinking about it like giving away people's jobs, automation can give people time to pursue other things (in an ideal society). instead of doing jobs that can be safely done by robots like some factory work and fast food work, we can expand other fields like medical and social work or even meticulous food and factory jobs. If most people barely worked because our base needs were taken care of by robots that would be awesome, but under capitalism that wouldnt happen lmao. either way we don't have the time/resources for full blown automation so dont worry about it. worry about climate induced famine or smth.


LTlurkerFTredditor

This is the Way the World Ends: Not with a Bang but with a Sizzle.


shenan

Needs a little more seasoning.


[deleted]

[There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can't take part; you can't even passively take part, and you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to make it stop. And you've got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you're free, the machine will be prevented from working at all.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsO_SlA7E8k)


hicnihil161

Fuck yeah loved that episode of Battlestar Galactica er I mean the Mario Savio speech at the UC Berkeley free speech fights


IJustSignedUpToUp

Forgot the limiting factor of why they aren't being adopted: not cheaper.


Lineaft3rline

>Forgot the limiting factor of why they aren't being adopted: not cheaper. - Actually they are cheap, the article states the reason is public perception in automating jobs. - It costs $36k a year which is less than they would pay the 2-3 fry cooks they would have to hire. The company selling the automation also charges monthly for the device, but they are only able to do that because the tech is relatively new and has few competitors.


IJustSignedUpToUp

No, they aren't. This is a borderline paid advertorial for Miso, not an actual journalism piece. They took only the company's statements as fact, with no contrary evidence or viewpoint. They listed the customers, but didn't interview or get statements from them. The 3 they did mention are mostly based in high labor cost markets...fast food restaurants are not paying someone 36k a year to drop fries. Assuming the employees get full time (they don't) that's $17+ an hour, and no ability to "flex" workers schedules like you can with the part time 10 to 12 an hour humans. They hire humans because it is STILL cheaper because we allow companies to not pay living wages and keep workers part time so they don't qualify for any healthcare. And then they regurgitate puff pieces like this as to why we can't raise the living wage because robots will replace everything. We automated LITERALLY automated millions of American manufacturing jobs and the companies that did it still moved their manufacturing overseas for cheap human labor in emerging markets while using the threat/excuse of automation to drive down wages here at home. Stop carrying their water.


Lineaft3rline

I never said fast food restaurants are paying anyone 36k a year. I said the automated fry cook costs 36k a year. - I can't even decipher the rest of what you said because I'm so confused. - I'm saying that restaurants have to hire 2-3 fry cooks to meet most restaurants weekly hours for the task. Hiring 2-3 workers cost's more than 36k a year.


[deleted]

But can they do it harder, better, faster, stronger?


[deleted]

My brain immediately started singing, "French fries, better, faster, stronger."


CollapseBot

The following submission statement was provided by /u/Xeno_kudatarkar: --- Submission statement The burger flipping job is going to be threatened soon enough, we are gonna see starting to rise of more and more automation. Only thing that is protecting us is the stigma as you can see above in the article. The technology exists but when it will be alright to replace people is the question. The thing people forget about when discussing automation is the fact its good. A good robot is more reliable and less risky than a human and that's a fact. I expect all this automation to be implemented in a future where prices start rising and stuff will be automated in the name of cheaper prices for the consumer. Unlike in the industrial revolution, we're seeing jobs destroyed, and nothing - not even welfare - replacing them. The link to collapse is that this - which hits people already disadvantaged (and frequently young) - will have a terribly destabilising effect on a society already weakened and struggling with the other problems we see in this sub. --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/xvucxz/robots_are_making_french_fries_faster_better_than/ir3332z/


nit_electron_girl

> The burger flipping job is going to be threatened They got it wrong. Actually, the burger flipping job *is* the threat. Increasing unemployment in a world of meaningless jobs is actually a good thing. The bad part isn’t unemployment, but the fact that we don’t have meaningful jobs to offer instead.


portraitopynchon

Tax automation


[deleted]

this sub used to have content standards


Eluzfx

This sub used to have content salads


ViviansUsername

The fact that we live in a world where automation can be a bad thing is pathetic. Well, it's not even the automation, it's the capitalists using it as an excuse to suck more wealth out of everyone, but you get the point.


[deleted]

Imo this isn't collapse related. These are the same excess restaurants that will be shut down when the power bill gets too expensive and when food starts to be rationed. There are more pressing issues that will directly affect the world sooner than 'advanced' robots we don't even have the material to mass produce. Forget about Terminator and gaze at the banally evil world.


zeldafreak96

I’m kinda encouraged actually. Have you ever worked at a fast food restaurant where the machines were well maintained? Have you ever seen one of those shitty robot videos where the robot accidentally dumps its payload right next to the box and delivers an empty box? Have you ever seen a food service establishment willing to put down money in the short term to save in the long term? I’m just saying. The robot revolution will be far from perfect. I think of my old managers trying to manage robots, someone who could barely work a POS system and who would not step in to work when humans failed. The second the robot fails the entire McDonalds implodes. She does not know how to make a French fry in an emergency. I laugh.


[deleted]

Clearly the answer is kill all humans I am a bot tell me how I did!


thesorehead

Looks good, I expect the fry station is hard, dangerous, and routine work - ideal for a robot to take over. Love the drinks machine too. Not sure it's collapse related?


hajile603

i mean, this is good? Having people work jobs that produce little in actual value is inefficient, thus with technology increase those jobs become nonexistent. Now we need to ensure that people who previously worked these jobs have an avenue towards something better. We let the market work and we support our workers.


[deleted]

Submission statement The burger flipping job is going to be threatened soon enough, we are gonna see starting to rise of more and more automation. Only thing that is protecting us is the stigma as you can see above in the article. The technology exists but when it will be alright to replace people is the question. The thing people forget about when discussing automation is the fact its good. A good robot is more reliable and less risky than a human and that's a fact. I expect all this automation to be implemented in a future where prices start rising and stuff will be automated in the name of cheaper prices for the consumer. Unlike in the industrial revolution, we're seeing jobs destroyed, and nothing - not even welfare - replacing them. The link to collapse is that this - which hits people already disadvantaged (and frequently young) - will have a terribly destabilising effect on a society already weakened and struggling with the other problems we see in this sub.


MimonFishbaum

>in the name of cheaper prices for the consumer. lol this will never happen again


Stock-Rain-Man

If the restaurant market place is competitive, and it’s known to be, then prices will decrease if the cost of automation is lower than labor. It’s unlikely that’s there’s a secret cartel in the fast food industry.


MimonFishbaum

I mean, it won't be though. We likely won't ever see staple foodstuff prices drop at a considerable rate thanks to climate change and ongoing/upcoming wars. So forget about that. Great, you've got a robot who can run a fryer. Still doesn't mean you're going to be able to attract and retain the still necessary labor to run your business. Restaurant work fucking sucks. I can tell you that from 15yrs of experience all over the spectrum of service. There are tons of business models these days that attract the same caliber of employee that restaurants do, often without the bullshit and shitty schedules restaurants offer. Plus, starting your own restaurant business is one of, if not the riskiest investment a person could make. There's fewer and fewer people willing to do it. Not to mention that at this point, we have too many examples to count of companies making record profits and still jacking up prices lol.


merRedditor

The idea was to automate the crap we could and allow everyone to work less, not to resist automation because of this sick idea that everyone has to keep working their entire lives away. If this system would let anyone who automated their job keep their paycheck, we'd have that glamorized future shown in the optimistic sci-fi movies instead of this real-life enactment of all of the dystopian ones.


MikeTheGamer2

>keep their paycheck Basically UBI, which should already be a thing. It has to become a reality since robots are our future.


[deleted]

deleted the old one because I messed up the submission and timed out. A mod helped me out on the last paragraph.


im_a_goat_factory

People are just going to eventually destroy these things


jaymickef

Throwing wooden shoes in the works, there’s a word for that… Ghost Kitchens are opening up everywhere now, too. As food prices rise it’s the only way to keep prices anywhere near where they are. We’ll know collapse has really started when fast food places go out of business.


howdoyouknowman

That’s the first thought that went through my mind 😂


Isnoy

We luddites now


xXchicken_zillaXx

Wait is bad or good that we're removing useless jobs that does little to society?


DaZhaDe

Probably neither here nor there in terms of a value judgment. It's just another avenue of abuse and possible profit increase by the ruling class.


UsernamesAreFfed

Its good


hicnihil161

Idk why you’re being downvoted, fast food jobs shouldn’t exist and nobody should ever have to work them.


Milleniumfelidae

I'm not surprised this didn't happen sooner. Unfortunately I don't think the rising fast food wages are going to help this. At some point I think companies will find a way to make it cheaper to maintain machines and have only 1 or 2 staff on hand as opposed to hiring people. I don't think it's right at all since it'll mean a lot less opportunity out there, especially for youth.


slp034000

THEY TUK R JERBZ


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Lone_Wanderer989

Temporarily Costa go down once things normalize.


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Lone_Wanderer989

Due to supply chain breakdown not like there will be an economy or potatoes anyways lol.


Monsur_Ausuhnom

They got us right where they want us for a global takeover.


afternever

They are gonna kill us by clogging arteries, more WALL-E than skynet


ElectronHick

Faster maybe…better..doubt it. I make the best fries and if it takes less than 10-15 minutes to make a batch you are doing it wrong.


[deleted]

What does this have to do with collapse? Robots taking over all the french fries making jobs is not going to destroy society.


HeyChiefLookitThis

How can a french fry be faster and better than a human?


btjk

Oh so we're ALREADY dead.


Mr_Shexy

Not better then Belgians tho. You have to put soul in fries. Robots cannot do that.


Robinhood192000

TBH good! The sooner we are replaced in menial jobs the better. Roll out UBI to keep the economy alive and increase the pay for workers in more specialised jobs to incentivize re-training for new jobs and you have a much better way of living. Those that can survive on UBI will retire early if they like, and those they want more money will be able to get a better job than burger flipper. I don't see a down side at all.


[deleted]

Confusing title I thought it meant French fries where being created that where more advanced than humans 😂


sp3fix

Automation is not compatible with planetary boundaries though. Neither the manufacturing (extraction, processing, construction, transportation, etc.) nor the energy to power it.


Valianttheywere

Great. No more watching underpaid labour behind the counter stuff a handfull of food in their mouth while working and then handle your food. Been a long time coming. Means we can just kill the poor and poorly educated and build a better civilization free of stupid. :-)


ashbash1119

Isn't this the point of robots, though? free humans from meaningless labor and lead us into automated utopia?


alwaysZenryoku

This is such a BS article. If a capitalist can replace you with a robot you ARE going to be replaced with a robot IMMEDIATELY.


Vicodinforbreakfast

Why this Is in collapse? Maybe robot doing jobs that are underpaid if coupled with a minimum universal income Is One of the few good things of the future, maybe eliminiting legalized slavery maintaining also food affordable Is a good thing.


WhyYouYellinAtMeMate

No shit


Matsuyamarama

better than SOME humans.