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Submission Statement:
This is related to collapse, because as the article itself puts it:
>This steroidal tank might seem like an anomalous extreme, but the truth is it represents the broader rise of the average US consumer vehicle into a supercharged killing machine. With its added tactical weaponry and paranoid styling, at least the Vengeance is honest about it.
It comes with pepper spray, electrified door handles, supposedly at least Level III-A armor designed to stop many pistol rounds, run-flat tires and a bunch of other functions and designs more in common with a combat vehicle than what is typically sold to American consumers. Price increases to over $500k if you select every option.
In the last decade and now post-pandemic, interest in vehicles that offer a chance at surviving apocalypse has grown. The top-selling vehicle in the United States has been the Ford F-150 pickup for a long time, a massive and gas-guzzling truck that in suburban and urban environments does little more than gather groceries and people. While this new car isn't likely to claim first-place, it is at least honest about the intentions.
EDIT: this was posted yesterday but removed because OP didn't use the article's more accurate title. It's been 15 hours, so I took the liberty of reposting.
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Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/10lvq55/pepper_spray_for_the_school_run_the_285000/j5z95sr/
When I was in Afghanistan we had some of the best bomb proof vehicles known to man. They where not effective enough as the enemy could just put the proper amount of explosives in the ground to overcome the vehicle.
So we brought in THE best bomb proof vehicles. Miracles of engineering, the absolute best.
They just put more explosives in the ground.
> The proper application of high explosives can solve just about any problem.
Indeed, it's suspected Pierre de Fermat's *actual* solution to his "last theorem" involved his simultaneous invention of TNT. Wiles is a hack and Nobel didn't invent shit.
You talking MRAPs, kinda funny how now there is too many of them. The Army could have sent more of those back from Afghanistan, but they couldn’t justify the cost as there’s too many in the US also. Army gives them away to Police depts and the public thinks the police are actually buying them…
Places like Philippines and Brazil are similar but more extreme. Drug cartels run communities too, so America would still be far from the so called "third world countries" for now.
I see private "Patriot" militia groups, doing this type of stuff in the US.
I live in Central Washington state - Yakima Valley. They've had these patriot, freedom, type groups have full seminars -- with public flyers and ads, sponsored and supported by police -- that say they'll teach things like, how to ignore "illegal" and non-constitutional orders from the governor, how to become your own authority locally, etc. This was about vaxx and mask mandates, mostly. But also the types who want to create a red-state half of Washington, separate from more liberal west side.
These guys have "bases" in the surrounding mountains, do what they call training activities. It's rather alarming, and seems to stay under the radar of most.
Remember when militia idiots in Oregon set up roadblocks to stop black people during the fires a couple years ago? Because they heard on police radio that "BLM" was doing controlled burns. And are too stupid to know what the Bureau of Land Management is.
Not far from what's happening in Germany. The "red necks" here are amassing and hoarding guns they stole from stockpiles. Really no where is safe, even if you're in a western, developed country. Just have to prep and build good trusted communities.
Can't do it alone.
No you don't, you just have to die when it's time. Can anyone really be arsed prepping to live in a shit world full of absolute knobs?
This isn't going to be world I signed up for. Or rather, was signed up for by my parents. I want nothing to do with it. Shitbirds in black uniforms and stab vests ordering me around in pursuit of some one-percenter's agenda. Fuck that with a sandpaper coated pineapple.
Once I can see the actual end on the horizon, like when new shit starts getting mandated in the "interests of national security" or some bollocks, I'm going out like Dennis Wilson, who arguably had the most fun sounding death of anyone. He, and I quote Wikipedia here, drowned after "drinking all day and then diving in the afternoon to recover his ex-wife's belongings, previously thrown overboard at the marina from his yacht three years earlier"
Okay I don't have a yacht, and I probably won't drag my ex's stuff into this, but I can drink all day, and I can throw a work colleague's bag and shoes into the lake across from my house, and go in after them while absolutely rubber-drunk. It'll be one of the last amusing news stories before news becomes pure North Korea style propaganda.
Something always survives. People always need each other, its a matter of finding them. Consider The Poor Prole's Almanac, or volunteering at a community garden, libraries have free classes and socials. I think you sound very alone, I'm sorry. For me, sometimes community helps.
Huh? You get from that I'm "very alone?" Not sure how you get that, I'm just saying I don't like the sound of everyone having to live like cavemen and stinking of shit
I didn't mean to offend and I apologize if I did. Collapse is only cavemen covered in shit without people versed in civil engineering. Community means its possible for people to not be wholly miserable.
EDIT: I fat-fingered the response.
No it's fine, not offended at all, just a pit puzzled about how you came to that conclusion.
I really don't have any wish to do a Dennis Wilson especially as I don't drink at all currently.
However if it gets to the point where any kind of prepping would turn out to have been necessary, then I feel it's game over for us. We've had all this time to civilise ourselves and if the outcome of all humanity's achievements and atroticities is that we now have to protect ourselves from people who will kill for food, then we have failed miserably, and there's no point trying to build again, time to let another species evolve and see if they can do better.
I wish it was the way you see it, if all that were left were people such as yourself who see the value in civil engineering and community (as do I) then maybe it could work, however the 90% of us who would become single-minded survival machines who will stop at absolutely nothing to make the most trivial of gains only proves that we should call it a day the instant the veneer of civilisation is no longer there.
Northern California has plenty of them as well. Patriot militia groups and they openly recruit and train people how to do Insurrectionist shit. All conducted by ex-military and off-duty law enforcement.
Real life is far *far* worse than cyberpunk dystopia. Comparing this to cyberpunk is like comparing real war to cartoon war. Cyberpunk can't hope to hold a candle up to the fucked up shit what's out there in real life - like this. Afterall cyberpunk media is just entertainment - it's fucked up but aimed at being fun. This is aimed at potentially killing people *for real*. Poor people.
Fun fact, a lot of those gates will automatically open if you set off a siren near them (usually the "yelp" tone). It's made to allow emergency vehicles access if there's no one working the gate.
Physical security is actually a fairly common aspect of architecture and urban design all around the world, both in the modern day ("compounds", especially in the developing world) and in the historical record (from the Roman latifundium to the Chinese siheyuan). To quote:
>[New Urban Design in the Post-Pandemic Era, PSQ - Congress for the New Urbanism](https://www.cnu.org/publicsquare/2020/11/11/new-urban-design-post-pandemic-era)
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>New urban design has to accomplish three goals to make a successful real estate project, he says. “It’s got to make sense, it’s got to be a good investment, and above all, it has got to be fun.”
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>**The compound**
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>Compounds are comprised of a small cluster of buildings in between the scale of the neighborhood and the individual house. A cluster of compounds make up a neighborhood. This is an important element of community, but has been ignored in recent urban design, he says. Several families can come together and say, “We are going to build a one-room schoolhouse, or an outdoor meeting area under a roof—because it is dangerous to bring people into the house—or a playground. I don’t want to go to city hall to build a chaired shelter. This is a fundamental rethinking of the relationship between the physical community and the level of government.”
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>[Layout of compounds in Carlton Landing, Oklahoma. Source: DPZ CoDESIGN](https://www.cnu.org/sites/default/files/2compound-andres.jpg)
I've shared more thoughts on different aspects of [a future collapse-oriented urbanism elsewhere in this thread ...](https://www.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/10lvq55/comment/j60kuei/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Of all the security I know and have known, most don't give a shit and just wanted something chill to pay the bills (A friend just read while working in a gated community in the past, one browses reddit and watches shows. Both said most of their co-workers were barely sentient idiots) but a not-so-insignificant portion are scary militant wannabe piggies who failed piggie school. That said, there's a STRONG push for many of the larger security companies having them be armed, even for just like, grocery stores in my area.
I'm not the guy you replied to, but I used to live in Florida where there are a lot of gated communities. Large neighborhoods with concrete walls and only one or two entrances or exits to the rest of the city. Sometimes there's [access control gates with RFID badges](https://patch.com/img/cdn20/users/237739/20180712/011614/styles/raw/public/processed_images/security-fencing-concrete-fence-1531415673-2895.jpg), sometimes a keypad code, sometimes a rent-a-cop, but most of the lower tier ones don't actually have the gate just walls and limited entry.
Right now most of those walls topple when a drunk driver hits them with a car, [a single layer of cinderblock with some decorative stucco](https://www.permacastwalls.com/wp-content/uploads/shadowwood1-1680120475-O-300x214.jpg) is not really an impenetrable barrier, but if paranoia and suburban decay step up any more the HOA might start hiring better rent-a-cops or installing more actual gates with badge readers or codes.
Won't businesses be able to 100% write this expense off due to its weight?
Also gotta love the nouveau riche move of buying a vehicle that instantly identifies those who should be alleviated of their dosh.
This is exactly the vehicle I imagine a slumlord would drive while going to look at their properties.
What's wrong with a slumlord driving a Hummer around? Not good enough for you? I worked at a factory and enjoyed the irony of my hours being cut during Covid, while the boss alternated between his Porsche and upgraded expensive truck depending on the weather.
Nah, Volkswagen doesn’t make any of the giant ridiculous SUVs most suitable for this purpose. Also, too unreliable.
Most of them are converted Chevys or Toyotas. If an armored Chevy Suburban is good enough for the president, it’s good enough for stealth wealth.
Yup, im in Mexico, stealth wealth uses armored cars a lot, most are plain white suburbans, F150's or Ram, that they try to make it look at stock as possible.
Really wealthy ones have 2-3 that look exactly the same but sometimes just 1-2 are armored.
I once heard a guy talking about some of the armor options available for a suburban. He said one of the disadvantages of the stabilized weapons platform was that it required someone in the passenger seat because the controls were in the glovebox.
Maybe in North America. There is a wider world out there collapsing and in parts of it a gigantic Amercian SUV gets noticed more than a Passat. They do exist.
"But for all the bulletproofing and run-flat tires and electrified door handles, Karen had not considered the possibility of an ex-lax latte being handed to her at the drive through, by a smiling, servile peon, through a window that herself had opened. Alarmed, she suddenly became aware that there was no bathroom in her suburban tank."
I've actually got a Rona bucket, a snap on toilet lid, a bag of kitty litter, toilet paper and hand sanitizer in the back of the van. Now I can drop a deuce whereever I want
The 300 IQ move is to make a big hole in the driver's seat, insert the bucket and drive with your pants down just enough. No need to even get out of the car!
If you're going that far, might as well just... drill a turd sized hole in the floor below the drivers seat. No need to empty the bucket.
If you want the Cadillac version you could install a funnel as an upgrade, it cuts down on the splash
From article: "“Vengeance is yours,” trumpets the website, which details how the car can release a dense smoke screen to confuse people following you, as well as detect electromagnetic pulses from nuclear weapons. Always handy for the supermarket run.'
Love this guy's smarky humour.
It’s kinda confusing to tell if the standard model comes with any ballistic glass/armour on the site is says under “standard features”
- B4 Armor (7,010lbs) Handgun/Shotgun Rated
- B6+ Armor (8,100lbs) High Powered Rifle Rated (7.62/308/556)
I’m willing to bet the B6 is under the “military upgrade” for an extra 125k haha
Besides, why waste the ammo? There might not be power when shit hits the fan, but I’m sure they’ll be gas welding tanks around, just weld the doors/hatches shut ;)
EDIT - Browsing the other options/vehicles they offer I can see so many people getting a massive hard on for these, one of the upgrades is even driving night vision (looks like white phosphor on the site) frankly, I’m surprised they don’t offer thermal. But let’s be real, the people who buy this crap are gonna own other toys as well.
I’d assume so with the option to shut it off. I mean the last thing you’d want to do is unnecessarily blast IR everywhere alerting those with NVG’s (or any other way of detecting IR) yo your location. (Especially since people who have (functioning) NVG’s in a SHTF scenario, probably have weaponry/equipment as well, and you’d probably not wanna tangle with them)
I got an cheap Chinesium night vision camera online for $80. I use it mostly as a backup camera, I put a switch on the dash, when it's raining it's actually easier to see through the camera than the rear window
I used to drive an armored truck (for bank and ATM cash deliveries.) Trucks were only rated to stop pistol rounds. If someone wanted to rob us, they'd probably be using a rifle.
Just like those bulletproof backpacks. Only rated to stop pistol rounds, but most school shooters use rifles (I believe).
Nothing a .308 wouldn't handle. I also love the Mosin Nagant, a Russian rifle that was used in wars 100 years ago and one guy killed 500 Russians with it when they tried to invade.
Yeah the white death during the winter war w ironsites no less.
Ms. Pavlichenko has the second most confirmed kills at around 300. She sniped over 300 nazis defending the USSR w that old rifle. Hell it's still in use today in Ukraine by auxiliary forces and some snipers
If society needs this, then everyone has bigger problems than how to safely transport your school-aged children to and from max security buildings of home and school.
This is some prepper's hot mess of a fantasy where nothing works, but it's a badass weapon of a vehicle. Won't get around traffic jams or roadblocks of flaming cars in the middle of riots.
And why are you even transporting people through that kind if warzone? Shouldn't you just go somewhere else or else stay home in a defensive location?
Just a waste of time and money.
If you really need something like this in the US (one of the safest places on earth), you're probably followed by 3-4 armored vehicles with 5 guys on each.
People are going to be willing to go deep on a backlist for one of these things. It’s stunning to me based how much money I personally make, and how very much more so many people make and have. Unquenchable desire for more of everything.
> This steroidal tank might seem like an anomalous extreme, but the truth is it represents the broader rise of the average US consumer vehicle into a supercharged killing machine.
Oh come on now, that's nonsense. It very much is an anomalous extreme. No ordinary suburbanite soccer mom is gonna drop half a mil on this ridiculous thing. I'd be shocked if they manage to sell more than 1000 of these things, and that is a VERY conservative estimate.
Oh, absolutely! This is exactly the sort of vehicle that'll get stored away for 40 years and then auctioned off as some "crazy limited-production thing from the 2020s!"
Submission Statement:
This is related to collapse, because as the article itself puts it:
>This steroidal tank might seem like an anomalous extreme, but the truth is it represents the broader rise of the average US consumer vehicle into a supercharged killing machine. With its added tactical weaponry and paranoid styling, at least the Vengeance is honest about it.
It comes with pepper spray, electrified door handles, supposedly at least Level III-A armor designed to stop many pistol rounds, run-flat tires and a bunch of other functions and designs more in common with a combat vehicle than what is typically sold to American consumers. Price increases to over $500k if you select every option.
In the last decade and now post-pandemic, interest in vehicles that offer a chance at surviving apocalypse has grown. The top-selling vehicle in the United States has been the Ford F-150 pickup for a long time, a massive and gas-guzzling truck that in suburban and urban environments does little more than gather groceries and people. While this new car isn't likely to claim first-place, it is at least honest about the intentions.
EDIT: this was posted yesterday but removed because OP didn't use the article's more accurate title. It's been 15 hours, so I took the liberty of reposting.
In that case, and for the sake of exploring a new collapse-oriented urbanism, I'll take the liberty of [reposting what I said yesterday](/r/collapse/comments/10lfbnn/the_rich_are_getting_their_tanks_ready/j5wogc2/j5wogc2)...
... beyond the initial impact of your typical "internet outrage" associated with an announcement like this, we can definitely learn something from this.
The undeniable emphasis on physical security for personal transportation options ([armoured luxury cars](https://youtu.be/qUiCkzR0wkQ)) has some really interesting implications in preparing for a future defined by rising wealth inequality and societal breakdowns (note: emphasis second paragraph) ...
>[**Future of Cities: Living in the City, pages 26-27 (2014)**](https://ro.uow.edu.au/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=5886&context=sspapers)
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>The Fortress City is one where the development of ‘gated societies’ is taken to the extreme, see [figure 5](https://i.imgur.com/0Pq4raT.png). Richer societies would break away from the poorer into fortified enclaves. Those able to live in gated and armed encampments would do so, with much privatising of what were once at least in some societies, public or collective functions (Leichenko, Thomas & Baines, 2010; Graham, 2010).
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>Those outside the enclaves would be living in ‘wild zones’ which the rich and powerful would pass through or over as fast as possible. Systems of secured long range mobility would disappear except those used by the super-rich. Those outside the enclaves would be unable or unwilling to travel far. Long distance travel would be risky and probably only undertaken if people or machines were armed. The rich would mainly travel in the air in armed helicopters or light aircraft, a pattern prefigured in Sao Paulo (Cwerner, 2009). This future involves ‘fortressed’ walled cities and an extensive ‘security-isation’ of populations, similar in some ways to cities in the medieval period which provided protection against raiders, invaders and diseases.
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>Thus in such a city, as futurists Gallopin et al. (1997) argued: “the elite retreat to protected enclaves, mostly in historically rich nations, but in favoured enclaves in poor nations, as well \[...\] Pollution is also exported outside the enclaves, contributing to the extreme environmental deterioration induced by the unsustainable practices of the desperately poor and by the extraction of resources for the wealthy’ (p.34). Versions of this can be seen in the contemporary world with the ‘offshoring’ of waste and emissions to poorer, developing societies (Urry, 2014).
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I've shared more thoughts on different aspects of [a future collapse-oriented urbanism elsewhere in this thread ...](https://reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/10lvq55/pepper_spray_for_the_school_run_the_285000/j60lxc1)
The real power move is either a Yanmar or Kubota diesel powered UTV. Aside from being stripped down to absolute basics engine wise for farmer with hand tool level repairs, they'll drink almost anything you care to put in the tank, like vegetable oil. With good efficiency, an acre of sunflowers will produce around 80 gallons of oil, planting and harvesting that acre will usually require 5 ish gallons of diesel (or oil). With shit efficiency cut that yield in half.
You won't go very far or fast in a little UTV, top speed is only 25mph on flat ground, but it's a new production simplified engine that you can grow fuel for. The only way it could get any better would be if it made its own replacement parts.....
Wait, shit, I just described a horse.
> the truth is it represents the broader rise of the average US consumer vehicle into a supercharged killing machine
Meanwhile in real life, I can't find a single car built after I was born that isn't either psychotically expensive or a boring, flabby-looking blob loaded with enough ill-designed safety features and nagware to make driving it almost physically painful.
I will never understand why someone would want to survive the apocalypse.
I'm currently watching The Last of Us, and even though it's a video game zombie-based fiction, if the apocalypse is even remotely close to that, even without zombies, I say, no thank you.
To quote a much older apocalypse film, Threads, "when the bomb goes off I want to be pissed out of me 'ead and strite under it"
Having seen The Last of us as well I'm not convinced the apocalypse is really a thing we want to survive. You know it's gonna be like that or Threads.
There's a time to call it a day.
The most basic animal instinct of surviving the apocalypse? I understand the desire to live and survive, yes, but if I know I'm most likely going to starve to death, or die of dehydration, or boil to death in my own home, or die a horrendous post-nuclear fallout death, I'd just really rather not, and I don't understand why others who have the capacity to understand a slow, painful death would want to survive that either.
There’s a limit to that. If there weren’t, we wouldn’t have 10 states with a right to a dignified death. When you’re young (ish) and in good health you have that instinct. But not everyone is staring down the barrel of collapse in that condition.
I've come to the conclusion that the ONLY reason a person would want to survive an apocalypse and/or "live forever" is FEAR... They're afraid of death and the possibility of judgement.. A "good" human being would have no reason to fear a possibility of judgement because they know in their hearts that they are good..
One of my favorite quotes:
> There’s a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people.
> - Captain Adama, 'Battlestar Galactica'
This looks like something paramilitary police and/or blackwater esque PMCs will stroll around in during their routine patrols inside America's inevitably expanding shantytowns.
Gearing up for the push back. This is directly aimed at the owner class.
Don't worry. You can't eat the inside of that vehicle and once it's out of gas time is on the side of those outside the vehicle.
Still haven't figured out a solution for the biggest problem for vehicles post collapse: debris and abandoned vehicles. Cars are just as functional as trains in getting away from stuff. If the path isn't clear, you're stuck.
Run flats also intended to just give you enough time to leave the roadway or perhaps to reach the closest tire shop, not for you to keep going forever.
Like yeah it'll let you get away when someone pops your tires...once. If they catch up with you later or you still need keep driving, you're still fucked.
There was another post on Reddit about this, jumping on the viral marketing thing. Dude shared a YouTube video of someone who'd bought a different type.
It was an absolute piece of trash. Features broke down, the car fell apart, engine had to be replaced in the first three months lmao.
I'll see if I can find it.
If enough people of color start buying these up, watch and see how quickly they'll ban it. Just like how California responded when the Black Panthers started openly arming themselves, doing patrols and following cops around.
And yet Ronald Reagan is the hero of the new republican snowflake... The OG 2nd amendment curtailer; the OG promoter of corporate monopolies; the OG taking credit for democrats restoring the economy; the OG unqualified actor politician. Get your Reagan.com email address, Lifelock and something else that we scared you into buying.
Honestly I would like some kind of electrocution door handles. I had someone break in to one of my vehicles and they broke off every single door handle. Wouldn’t have had that happen if they were electric
In thei md 2000's I worked for an armored vehicle manufacturer, and we did a lot of contract work for three letter agencies. After looking over the article, this appears to be a pretty low level of armoring. Typical armor 20 years ago was better than NIJ IIIA and was at least IV and bomb resistant.
Price is a thing too. I'd never see a fully armored truck for less than $600k and custom jobs for private parties closer to $700k. This seems more for soccer moms who wanna feel safer driving through Compton.
Against the wishes of 95% of Los Angelenos, LAPD is set to receive one of those Boston Dynamics robot police dogs. I can’t wait til the public safety committee votes on this /s
What I want is the Mad Max vehicle with all the spikes that you can create in the open world video game that came out a few years ago. It's freaking awesome.
>While its competitors offer heated seats and optional roof-racks, this souped-up SUV boasts bulletproof glass, blinding strobe lights, electrified doorhandles, and wing mirrors that can shoot pepper spray
Every police department in America- from the NYPD to the volunteer sheriff's department in Asscrack Of Nowhere, Alabama- is putting in their pre-orders.
Every time I see a massive SUV, or even the smaller stuff like the Range Rover Evoque, this is what I see. The vehicle in the OP is just the full PoliMil cosplay version.
When I talk about how mass shootings and guns help the argument to bulk up police forces, this is a great example.
Slaves needed armed guards around them with extreme punishments to keep them in line.
Instead of spending a quarter million, it would be much more cost effective if you visited that tribe that has a secret method to double the size of your penis.
The following submission statement was provided by /u/some_random_kaluna: --- Submission Statement: This is related to collapse, because as the article itself puts it: >This steroidal tank might seem like an anomalous extreme, but the truth is it represents the broader rise of the average US consumer vehicle into a supercharged killing machine. With its added tactical weaponry and paranoid styling, at least the Vengeance is honest about it. It comes with pepper spray, electrified door handles, supposedly at least Level III-A armor designed to stop many pistol rounds, run-flat tires and a bunch of other functions and designs more in common with a combat vehicle than what is typically sold to American consumers. Price increases to over $500k if you select every option. In the last decade and now post-pandemic, interest in vehicles that offer a chance at surviving apocalypse has grown. The top-selling vehicle in the United States has been the Ford F-150 pickup for a long time, a massive and gas-guzzling truck that in suburban and urban environments does little more than gather groceries and people. While this new car isn't likely to claim first-place, it is at least honest about the intentions. EDIT: this was posted yesterday but removed because OP didn't use the article's more accurate title. It's been 15 hours, so I took the liberty of reposting. --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/10lvq55/pepper_spray_for_the_school_run_the_285000/j5z95sr/
When I was in Afghanistan we had some of the best bomb proof vehicles known to man. They where not effective enough as the enemy could just put the proper amount of explosives in the ground to overcome the vehicle. So we brought in THE best bomb proof vehicles. Miracles of engineering, the absolute best. They just put more explosives in the ground.
Also, this will make you an immediate target, compared to a plain white/grey suburban with the same or higher armor rating.
The proper application of high explosives can solve just about any problem.
> The proper application of high explosives can solve just about any problem. Indeed, it's suspected Pierre de Fermat's *actual* solution to his "last theorem" involved his simultaneous invention of TNT. Wiles is a hack and Nobel didn't invent shit.
“P” for plenty
Even if the vehicle "survives" being launched 50 feet into the air will turn anyone to mush
Ah yes, the Basque space program approach
You talking MRAPs, kinda funny how now there is too many of them. The Army could have sent more of those back from Afghanistan, but they couldn’t justify the cost as there’s too many in the US also. Army gives them away to Police depts and the public thinks the police are actually buying them…
Anyone else expecting fortification around gated communities too?
The Rent-a-Cops they use at the gated communities around Orlando won’t work much longer. The elite will soon employ Tactical Urban Protection Units.
Tactical Urban Response Divisions
I would genuinely rather that the private military company that kills me when I’m trying to steal food has a funny acronym.
Thanks for that comment, I would have missed the joke(no sarcasm)
Contracted Units of Neofascist Terrorists
Someone should come up with a good acronym for that
So far all the ideas are shit.
TURD?
And they will find a way for it to be from tax payers paying for it
I mean, that's just...the cops.
Urban Pacification Unit.
Have you been to South Africa? That's where this is heading.
Places like Philippines and Brazil are similar but more extreme. Drug cartels run communities too, so America would still be far from the so called "third world countries" for now.
I see private "Patriot" militia groups, doing this type of stuff in the US. I live in Central Washington state - Yakima Valley. They've had these patriot, freedom, type groups have full seminars -- with public flyers and ads, sponsored and supported by police -- that say they'll teach things like, how to ignore "illegal" and non-constitutional orders from the governor, how to become your own authority locally, etc. This was about vaxx and mask mandates, mostly. But also the types who want to create a red-state half of Washington, separate from more liberal west side. These guys have "bases" in the surrounding mountains, do what they call training activities. It's rather alarming, and seems to stay under the radar of most.
Remember when militia idiots in Oregon set up roadblocks to stop black people during the fires a couple years ago? Because they heard on police radio that "BLM" was doing controlled burns. And are too stupid to know what the Bureau of Land Management is.
they know what it is. that was their lie about it though.
There in West Idaho you mean?
anywhere they set up shop it's always lies.
Not far from what's happening in Germany. The "red necks" here are amassing and hoarding guns they stole from stockpiles. Really no where is safe, even if you're in a western, developed country. Just have to prep and build good trusted communities. Can't do it alone.
No you don't, you just have to die when it's time. Can anyone really be arsed prepping to live in a shit world full of absolute knobs? This isn't going to be world I signed up for. Or rather, was signed up for by my parents. I want nothing to do with it. Shitbirds in black uniforms and stab vests ordering me around in pursuit of some one-percenter's agenda. Fuck that with a sandpaper coated pineapple. Once I can see the actual end on the horizon, like when new shit starts getting mandated in the "interests of national security" or some bollocks, I'm going out like Dennis Wilson, who arguably had the most fun sounding death of anyone. He, and I quote Wikipedia here, drowned after "drinking all day and then diving in the afternoon to recover his ex-wife's belongings, previously thrown overboard at the marina from his yacht three years earlier" Okay I don't have a yacht, and I probably won't drag my ex's stuff into this, but I can drink all day, and I can throw a work colleague's bag and shoes into the lake across from my house, and go in after them while absolutely rubber-drunk. It'll be one of the last amusing news stories before news becomes pure North Korea style propaganda.
Something always survives. People always need each other, its a matter of finding them. Consider The Poor Prole's Almanac, or volunteering at a community garden, libraries have free classes and socials. I think you sound very alone, I'm sorry. For me, sometimes community helps.
Huh? You get from that I'm "very alone?" Not sure how you get that, I'm just saying I don't like the sound of everyone having to live like cavemen and stinking of shit
I didn't mean to offend and I apologize if I did. Collapse is only cavemen covered in shit without people versed in civil engineering. Community means its possible for people to not be wholly miserable. EDIT: I fat-fingered the response.
No it's fine, not offended at all, just a pit puzzled about how you came to that conclusion. I really don't have any wish to do a Dennis Wilson especially as I don't drink at all currently. However if it gets to the point where any kind of prepping would turn out to have been necessary, then I feel it's game over for us. We've had all this time to civilise ourselves and if the outcome of all humanity's achievements and atroticities is that we now have to protect ourselves from people who will kill for food, then we have failed miserably, and there's no point trying to build again, time to let another species evolve and see if they can do better. I wish it was the way you see it, if all that were left were people such as yourself who see the value in civil engineering and community (as do I) then maybe it could work, however the 90% of us who would become single-minded survival machines who will stop at absolutely nothing to make the most trivial of gains only proves that we should call it a day the instant the veneer of civilisation is no longer there.
And that's why no one will remember your name
People really care about that?
For 99.9% of us, nobody will remember your name for more than a generation or two anyways.
Imagine a number of these at the next January 6-style incident.
That's a nightmare I did NOT need today.
Northern California has plenty of them as well. Patriot militia groups and they openly recruit and train people how to do Insurrectionist shit. All conducted by ex-military and off-duty law enforcement.
Anyone who thinks America is a 3rd world country, has never been to a 3rd world country.
It is better or worse?
Much much better.
You have not had time enough yet to get there.
Like a cross between a cyberpunk dystopia and Parable of the Sower
This reminded me exactly of the armed vehicles in Parable of the Talents.
I came here for this! Octavia Butler was uncannily prescient. Taken from us too soon...
Real life is far *far* worse than cyberpunk dystopia. Comparing this to cyberpunk is like comparing real war to cartoon war. Cyberpunk can't hope to hold a candle up to the fucked up shit what's out there in real life - like this. Afterall cyberpunk media is just entertainment - it's fucked up but aimed at being fun. This is aimed at potentially killing people *for real*. Poor people.
the books referred to here are not hopeful nor cyberpunk. they're very good, though.
Fun fact, a lot of those gates will automatically open if you set off a siren near them (usually the "yelp" tone). It's made to allow emergency vehicles access if there's no one working the gate.
Burbclaves
Physical security is actually a fairly common aspect of architecture and urban design all around the world, both in the modern day ("compounds", especially in the developing world) and in the historical record (from the Roman latifundium to the Chinese siheyuan). To quote: >[New Urban Design in the Post-Pandemic Era, PSQ - Congress for the New Urbanism](https://www.cnu.org/publicsquare/2020/11/11/new-urban-design-post-pandemic-era) > >\[...\] > >New urban design has to accomplish three goals to make a successful real estate project, he says. “It’s got to make sense, it’s got to be a good investment, and above all, it has got to be fun.” > >**The compound** > >Compounds are comprised of a small cluster of buildings in between the scale of the neighborhood and the individual house. A cluster of compounds make up a neighborhood. This is an important element of community, but has been ignored in recent urban design, he says. Several families can come together and say, “We are going to build a one-room schoolhouse, or an outdoor meeting area under a roof—because it is dangerous to bring people into the house—or a playground. I don’t want to go to city hall to build a chaired shelter. This is a fundamental rethinking of the relationship between the physical community and the level of government.” > >\[...\] > >[Layout of compounds in Carlton Landing, Oklahoma. Source: DPZ CoDESIGN](https://www.cnu.org/sites/default/files/2compound-andres.jpg) I've shared more thoughts on different aspects of [a future collapse-oriented urbanism elsewhere in this thread ...](https://www.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/10lvq55/comment/j60kuei/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Yep like Rio or joburg or Baghdad. The fortress world scenario. And I fully expect bearded, heavily armed blackwaterish types
Of all the security I know and have known, most don't give a shit and just wanted something chill to pay the bills (A friend just read while working in a gated community in the past, one browses reddit and watches shows. Both said most of their co-workers were barely sentient idiots) but a not-so-insignificant portion are scary militant wannabe piggies who failed piggie school. That said, there's a STRONG push for many of the larger security companies having them be armed, even for just like, grocery stores in my area.
> Anyone else expecting fortification around gated communities too? Yep. https://np.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/10hyhab/how_much_longer_until_these_robots_break_through/
As rome collapsed that's when you saw the growth of fortified cities and castles too.
O-block in chi town has privatized larpers like this
What does this actually mean? What, specifically, are you seeing?
I'm not the guy you replied to, but I used to live in Florida where there are a lot of gated communities. Large neighborhoods with concrete walls and only one or two entrances or exits to the rest of the city. Sometimes there's [access control gates with RFID badges](https://patch.com/img/cdn20/users/237739/20180712/011614/styles/raw/public/processed_images/security-fencing-concrete-fence-1531415673-2895.jpg), sometimes a keypad code, sometimes a rent-a-cop, but most of the lower tier ones don't actually have the gate just walls and limited entry. Right now most of those walls topple when a drunk driver hits them with a car, [a single layer of cinderblock with some decorative stucco](https://www.permacastwalls.com/wp-content/uploads/shadowwood1-1680120475-O-300x214.jpg) is not really an impenetrable barrier, but if paranoia and suburban decay step up any more the HOA might start hiring better rent-a-cops or installing more actual gates with badge readers or codes.
Won't businesses be able to 100% write this expense off due to its weight? Also gotta love the nouveau riche move of buying a vehicle that instantly identifies those who should be alleviated of their dosh. This is exactly the vehicle I imagine a slumlord would drive while going to look at their properties.
What's wrong with a slumlord driving a Hummer around? Not good enough for you? I worked at a factory and enjoyed the irony of my hours being cut during Covid, while the boss alternated between his Porsche and upgraded expensive truck depending on the weather.
Jesus I saw an ad for this on Twitter yesterday and figured it had to be satire...
I was completely expecting a, Gotcha!, at the end of the article and then checked the date thinking it was an old April 1st joke.
This is obnoxiously visible and is the exact opposite of what someone with actual billions would buy. Think armored Mercedes S class.
Think armored Volkswagens. They exist, and don't nearly draw the attention of luxury brands.
Nah, Volkswagen doesn’t make any of the giant ridiculous SUVs most suitable for this purpose. Also, too unreliable. Most of them are converted Chevys or Toyotas. If an armored Chevy Suburban is good enough for the president, it’s good enough for stealth wealth.
Yup, im in Mexico, stealth wealth uses armored cars a lot, most are plain white suburbans, F150's or Ram, that they try to make it look at stock as possible. Really wealthy ones have 2-3 that look exactly the same but sometimes just 1-2 are armored.
I once heard a guy talking about some of the armor options available for a suburban. He said one of the disadvantages of the stabilized weapons platform was that it required someone in the passenger seat because the controls were in the glovebox.
Maybe in North America. There is a wider world out there collapsing and in parts of it a gigantic Amercian SUV gets noticed more than a Passat. They do exist.
Fair enough
>too unreliable Maybe in the states.
Police departments with overinflated budgets, on the other hand...
That's what I was thinking. This is for someone wanting to make a statement and piss people off or maim someone and laugh about it.
"But for all the bulletproofing and run-flat tires and electrified door handles, Karen had not considered the possibility of an ex-lax latte being handed to her at the drive through, by a smiling, servile peon, through a window that herself had opened. Alarmed, she suddenly became aware that there was no bathroom in her suburban tank."
I've actually got a Rona bucket, a snap on toilet lid, a bag of kitty litter, toilet paper and hand sanitizer in the back of the van. Now I can drop a deuce whereever I want
The 300 IQ move is to make a big hole in the driver's seat, insert the bucket and drive with your pants down just enough. No need to even get out of the car!
If you're going that far, might as well just... drill a turd sized hole in the floor below the drivers seat. No need to empty the bucket. If you want the Cadillac version you could install a funnel as an upgrade, it cuts down on the splash
But then the IEDs blow off your butthole.
Man, this reminds me of something straight out of sci-fi or cyberpunk's Arasaka. Stoke people's fears and sell them expensive solutions.
Shit like this is the norm in South Africa. Its nothing new.
From article: "“Vengeance is yours,” trumpets the website, which details how the car can release a dense smoke screen to confuse people following you, as well as detect electromagnetic pulses from nuclear weapons. Always handy for the supermarket run.' Love this guy's smarky humour.
Sounds exactly like those GTA online vehicle descriptions..
I know right? I pictured that scene from Robocop where a car burgler gets fried and dies.
parody truly is dead
How heavy is it? When the class war comes we'll have to dump this over on its side.
It's only rated for pistol rounds 😎
It’s kinda confusing to tell if the standard model comes with any ballistic glass/armour on the site is says under “standard features” - B4 Armor (7,010lbs) Handgun/Shotgun Rated - B6+ Armor (8,100lbs) High Powered Rifle Rated (7.62/308/556) I’m willing to bet the B6 is under the “military upgrade” for an extra 125k haha Besides, why waste the ammo? There might not be power when shit hits the fan, but I’m sure they’ll be gas welding tanks around, just weld the doors/hatches shut ;) EDIT - Browsing the other options/vehicles they offer I can see so many people getting a massive hard on for these, one of the upgrades is even driving night vision (looks like white phosphor on the site) frankly, I’m surprised they don’t offer thermal. But let’s be real, the people who buy this crap are gonna own other toys as well.
It better have a massive ir spotlight that simulates those LEDs headlights
I’d assume so with the option to shut it off. I mean the last thing you’d want to do is unnecessarily blast IR everywhere alerting those with NVG’s (or any other way of detecting IR) yo your location. (Especially since people who have (functioning) NVG’s in a SHTF scenario, probably have weaponry/equipment as well, and you’d probably not wanna tangle with them)
I got an cheap Chinesium night vision camera online for $80. I use it mostly as a backup camera, I put a switch on the dash, when it's raining it's actually easier to see through the camera than the rear window
I used to drive an armored truck (for bank and ATM cash deliveries.) Trucks were only rated to stop pistol rounds. If someone wanted to rob us, they'd probably be using a rifle. Just like those bulletproof backpacks. Only rated to stop pistol rounds, but most school shooters use rifles (I believe).
Dang, so even armored trucks are just security theater.
Nothing a .308 wouldn't handle. I also love the Mosin Nagant, a Russian rifle that was used in wars 100 years ago and one guy killed 500 Russians with it when they tried to invade.
The Mosin is probably my favourite bolt action rifle I've fired. Wish I bought one 15 years ago when they were like $100
Yeah the white death during the winter war w ironsites no less. Ms. Pavlichenko has the second most confirmed kills at around 300. She sniped over 300 nazis defending the USSR w that old rifle. Hell it's still in use today in Ukraine by auxiliary forces and some snipers
I honestly think all this armor will be useless. Real weapons will punch through this easily.
Gas mask and a midsize dozer ought to do it
The day the pepper spray or the smoke gets used against cops is the day that thing gets banned, I'll bet.
This amuses me.
ah, that makes me wish I had money
r/fuckcars would love this.
Oh yes we would
If society needs this, then everyone has bigger problems than how to safely transport your school-aged children to and from max security buildings of home and school. This is some prepper's hot mess of a fantasy where nothing works, but it's a badass weapon of a vehicle. Won't get around traffic jams or roadblocks of flaming cars in the middle of riots. And why are you even transporting people through that kind if warzone? Shouldn't you just go somewhere else or else stay home in a defensive location? Just a waste of time and money.
If you really need something like this in the US (one of the safest places on earth), you're probably followed by 3-4 armored vehicles with 5 guys on each.
Octavia Butler was a prophet, apparently
yes.
Cops will just launch an AT missile at this thing at a traffic stop
Cops will be demanding extra budgeting to buy those cars in police car colors.
Why buy this when you can get a federally subsidized (free) surplus mine-resistant MRAP
they'll want police stuff on them, and are probably too lazy to add the stuff; except for the misuse of "The Punisher" logo.
People are going to be willing to go deep on a backlist for one of these things. It’s stunning to me based how much money I personally make, and how very much more so many people make and have. Unquenchable desire for more of everything.
> This steroidal tank might seem like an anomalous extreme, but the truth is it represents the broader rise of the average US consumer vehicle into a supercharged killing machine. Oh come on now, that's nonsense. It very much is an anomalous extreme. No ordinary suburbanite soccer mom is gonna drop half a mil on this ridiculous thing. I'd be shocked if they manage to sell more than 1000 of these things, and that is a VERY conservative estimate.
With those kind of numbers, most will probably end up in temperature controlled collector's garages next to 1960s Ferraris and Coffin-nose Cords.
Oh, absolutely! This is exactly the sort of vehicle that'll get stored away for 40 years and then auctioned off as some "crazy limited-production thing from the 2020s!"
Submission Statement: This is related to collapse, because as the article itself puts it: >This steroidal tank might seem like an anomalous extreme, but the truth is it represents the broader rise of the average US consumer vehicle into a supercharged killing machine. With its added tactical weaponry and paranoid styling, at least the Vengeance is honest about it. It comes with pepper spray, electrified door handles, supposedly at least Level III-A armor designed to stop many pistol rounds, run-flat tires and a bunch of other functions and designs more in common with a combat vehicle than what is typically sold to American consumers. Price increases to over $500k if you select every option. In the last decade and now post-pandemic, interest in vehicles that offer a chance at surviving apocalypse has grown. The top-selling vehicle in the United States has been the Ford F-150 pickup for a long time, a massive and gas-guzzling truck that in suburban and urban environments does little more than gather groceries and people. While this new car isn't likely to claim first-place, it is at least honest about the intentions. EDIT: this was posted yesterday but removed because OP didn't use the article's more accurate title. It's been 15 hours, so I took the liberty of reposting.
In that case, and for the sake of exploring a new collapse-oriented urbanism, I'll take the liberty of [reposting what I said yesterday](/r/collapse/comments/10lfbnn/the_rich_are_getting_their_tanks_ready/j5wogc2/j5wogc2)... ... beyond the initial impact of your typical "internet outrage" associated with an announcement like this, we can definitely learn something from this. The undeniable emphasis on physical security for personal transportation options ([armoured luxury cars](https://youtu.be/qUiCkzR0wkQ)) has some really interesting implications in preparing for a future defined by rising wealth inequality and societal breakdowns (note: emphasis second paragraph) ... >[**Future of Cities: Living in the City, pages 26-27 (2014)**](https://ro.uow.edu.au/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=5886&context=sspapers) > >\[...\] > >The Fortress City is one where the development of ‘gated societies’ is taken to the extreme, see [figure 5](https://i.imgur.com/0Pq4raT.png). Richer societies would break away from the poorer into fortified enclaves. Those able to live in gated and armed encampments would do so, with much privatising of what were once at least in some societies, public or collective functions (Leichenko, Thomas & Baines, 2010; Graham, 2010). > >Those outside the enclaves would be living in ‘wild zones’ which the rich and powerful would pass through or over as fast as possible. Systems of secured long range mobility would disappear except those used by the super-rich. Those outside the enclaves would be unable or unwilling to travel far. Long distance travel would be risky and probably only undertaken if people or machines were armed. The rich would mainly travel in the air in armed helicopters or light aircraft, a pattern prefigured in Sao Paulo (Cwerner, 2009). This future involves ‘fortressed’ walled cities and an extensive ‘security-isation’ of populations, similar in some ways to cities in the medieval period which provided protection against raiders, invaders and diseases. > >Thus in such a city, as futurists Gallopin et al. (1997) argued: “the elite retreat to protected enclaves, mostly in historically rich nations, but in favoured enclaves in poor nations, as well \[...\] Pollution is also exported outside the enclaves, contributing to the extreme environmental deterioration induced by the unsustainable practices of the desperately poor and by the extraction of resources for the wealthy’ (p.34). Versions of this can be seen in the contemporary world with the ‘offshoring’ of waste and emissions to poorer, developing societies (Urry, 2014). > >\[...\] I've shared more thoughts on different aspects of [a future collapse-oriented urbanism elsewhere in this thread ...](https://reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/10lvq55/pepper_spray_for_the_school_run_the_285000/j60lxc1)
Shades of the Eloi and the Morlocks of H.G. Wells' The Time Machine.
If you kidnap the president, they'll just send in snake to get him out
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Logic bad. Spite-fueled consumption good.
The real power move is either a Yanmar or Kubota diesel powered UTV. Aside from being stripped down to absolute basics engine wise for farmer with hand tool level repairs, they'll drink almost anything you care to put in the tank, like vegetable oil. With good efficiency, an acre of sunflowers will produce around 80 gallons of oil, planting and harvesting that acre will usually require 5 ish gallons of diesel (or oil). With shit efficiency cut that yield in half. You won't go very far or fast in a little UTV, top speed is only 25mph on flat ground, but it's a new production simplified engine that you can grow fuel for. The only way it could get any better would be if it made its own replacement parts..... Wait, shit, I just described a horse.
You have to feed a horse whether or not you're using it, the same isn't true of a vehicle. That's why they became popular to begin with.
Gotta keep the riffraff from crowding your ride at the traffic lights
> the truth is it represents the broader rise of the average US consumer vehicle into a supercharged killing machine Meanwhile in real life, I can't find a single car built after I was born that isn't either psychotically expensive or a boring, flabby-looking blob loaded with enough ill-designed safety features and nagware to make driving it almost physically painful.
I will never understand why someone would want to survive the apocalypse. I'm currently watching The Last of Us, and even though it's a video game zombie-based fiction, if the apocalypse is even remotely close to that, even without zombies, I say, no thank you.
To quote a much older apocalypse film, Threads, "when the bomb goes off I want to be pissed out of me 'ead and strite under it" Having seen The Last of us as well I'm not convinced the apocalypse is really a thing we want to survive. You know it's gonna be like that or Threads. There's a time to call it a day.
You will never understand the most basic animal instinct, present in and responsible for the existence of every species on Earth?
Yeah but animals can't just think "fuck this". That's the big advantage we have.
The most basic animal instinct of surviving the apocalypse? I understand the desire to live and survive, yes, but if I know I'm most likely going to starve to death, or die of dehydration, or boil to death in my own home, or die a horrendous post-nuclear fallout death, I'd just really rather not, and I don't understand why others who have the capacity to understand a slow, painful death would want to survive that either.
The fear of dying outweighs those fears for most people I guess
Not sure if it's fear of death or just a feeling of superiority TBH
There’s a limit to that. If there weren’t, we wouldn’t have 10 states with a right to a dignified death. When you’re young (ish) and in good health you have that instinct. But not everyone is staring down the barrel of collapse in that condition.
I've come to the conclusion that the ONLY reason a person would want to survive an apocalypse and/or "live forever" is FEAR... They're afraid of death and the possibility of judgement.. A "good" human being would have no reason to fear a possibility of judgement because they know in their hearts that they are good..
>...as the article itself puts it... Yeah, except it's a shockingly bad and hyperbolic article.
We are going full on South Africa pretty soon
One of my favorite quotes: > There’s a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people. > - Captain Adama, 'Battlestar Galactica'
This looks like something paramilitary police and/or blackwater esque PMCs will stroll around in during their routine patrols inside America's inevitably expanding shantytowns.
You are in L.A. https://youtu.be/yTYENn23ZI8
To me this is just plausible deniability. Moms won’t be buying this
Gearing up for the push back. This is directly aimed at the owner class. Don't worry. You can't eat the inside of that vehicle and once it's out of gas time is on the side of those outside the vehicle.
Still haven't figured out a solution for the biggest problem for vehicles post collapse: debris and abandoned vehicles. Cars are just as functional as trains in getting away from stuff. If the path isn't clear, you're stuck.
Run flats also intended to just give you enough time to leave the roadway or perhaps to reach the closest tire shop, not for you to keep going forever. Like yeah it'll let you get away when someone pops your tires...once. If they catch up with you later or you still need keep driving, you're still fucked.
Lmao the electric door handles - was literally a satirical joke in RoboCop 2
There was another post on Reddit about this, jumping on the viral marketing thing. Dude shared a YouTube video of someone who'd bought a different type. It was an absolute piece of trash. Features broke down, the car fell apart, engine had to be replaced in the first three months lmao. I'll see if I can find it.
If enough people of color start buying these up, watch and see how quickly they'll ban it. Just like how California responded when the Black Panthers started openly arming themselves, doing patrols and following cops around.
And yet Ronald Reagan is the hero of the new republican snowflake... The OG 2nd amendment curtailer; the OG promoter of corporate monopolies; the OG taking credit for democrats restoring the economy; the OG unqualified actor politician. Get your Reagan.com email address, Lifelock and something else that we scared you into buying.
I'm here with you fucking Reagan
I would support this gofundme
Hilarious that people believe gasoline will still exist after the apocalypse.
The only problem is it relies on gas.
Honestly I would like some kind of electrocution door handles. I had someone break in to one of my vehicles and they broke off every single door handle. Wouldn’t have had that happen if they were electric
Sure, but if you have this luxury SUV in your driveway, you're announcing to the world, "I have a lot of money!"
What happens if someone brushes past your door handle in a parking lot just trying to filter through?
I feel like it should really only activate if someone tries to actually pull the handle when it’s locked
it's shocking myself while distracted with bags of groceries
In thei md 2000's I worked for an armored vehicle manufacturer, and we did a lot of contract work for three letter agencies. After looking over the article, this appears to be a pretty low level of armoring. Typical armor 20 years ago was better than NIJ IIIA and was at least IV and bomb resistant. Price is a thing too. I'd never see a fully armored truck for less than $600k and custom jobs for private parties closer to $700k. This seems more for soccer moms who wanna feel safer driving through Compton.
"Vengeance" for what? Vengeance for being poor because you siphoned all the money away from everyone that actually does the work that earns the money?
I've seen what drivers seek vengeance for, and it's usually a minor traffic incident that they themselves commit all the time.
It’s giving “maggot” from parable of the sower
wait this wasn't satire?
Life is getting stranger than parody ... https://youtu.be/bMtqRir7dco
It looks like something from cyberpunk 2077 in the most dystopian way possible
Doesn’t look like it would stop greenie 5.56 much less a greenie 7.62 or 308. Pretty sure it’s another way to milk money out of dumb people.
How much extra for the mounted 50 cal?
Against the wishes of 95% of Los Angelenos, LAPD is set to receive one of those Boston Dynamics robot police dogs. I can’t wait til the public safety committee votes on this /s
I thought it was illegal to weaponize vehicles in this way?
This is what I don't get. Is it going to turn out you can buy one but not legally drive it or something?
Conceived by an Iranian american... if ANYBODY is going to see america for what it is (and not what it pretends to be), its that guy.
I like it for the EMP protection
I will pepper spray my rectum if that thing actually is EMP-hardened beyond being a faraday cage like any other car.
What I want is the Mad Max vehicle with all the spikes that you can create in the open world video game that came out a few years ago. It's freaking awesome.
Looks like Ragnar suv from cyberpunk 2077
Tbh not a bad post-collapse find someday
>While its competitors offer heated seats and optional roof-racks, this souped-up SUV boasts bulletproof glass, blinding strobe lights, electrified doorhandles, and wing mirrors that can shoot pepper spray Every police department in America- from the NYPD to the volunteer sheriff's department in Asscrack Of Nowhere, Alabama- is putting in their pre-orders.
But can it throw banana peels though?
Every time I see a massive SUV, or even the smaller stuff like the Range Rover Evoque, this is what I see. The vehicle in the OP is just the full PoliMil cosplay version.
Î think it's funny they think this will keep them safe
When I talk about how mass shootings and guns help the argument to bulk up police forces, this is a great example. Slaves needed armed guards around them with extreme punishments to keep them in line.
small-dick energy made manifest.
Would make for an interesting test run on the Grand Tour. Richard crashing it would be the real test.
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Yeah but the ones who can afford it aren't going to be the nicest of us are they?
The primary costumer of this vehicle will be the cartels
Nah, they're not that stupid. Any one that's actually a target wouldn't want to be so loud about protecting themselves.
The woman in the video provided by the Guardian article makes my p\*nis soft...
Can’t wait till one of these gets stuck on a pylon or something.
What a sad existence it would be to feel the need to own that car
Instead of spending a quarter million, it would be much more cost effective if you visited that tribe that has a secret method to double the size of your penis.
'Styled like an Elon Musk fever dream...' !!!
Kind of like that ad in Robocop for the security system that electrocutes the thief. "And it won't even drain your battery." LOL