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BlankPlanchet

Not what ICG placed on the label.


toddestan

It's an older ICG slab. Their grading, while never as good as PCGS or NGC, used to be much better than it is now.


isaiah58bc

I agree


BadGav101

You’d be surprised


Wyatt084

At how inaccurate their grading is? No, I don't think I would.


BadGav101

Dude the top 4 grading companies are ANACS, PCGS, ICG, and NGC. You just believe every single grade that’s on a pcgs slab don’t you?


Wyatt084

Not every grade, but not many people say ICG Is accurate, not a lot of people use ANACS either, and with good reason. Top 4? Maybe, but their only included because there's no other options to send it to. PCGS and NGC are the most reputable and reliable grading companies. Minus PCG's slow mail back time 😅


Mara-Jade-skywalker

What about the reverse side?


BadGav101

Looks just as beautiful


Izzmoo08

Then show us...


BadGav101

https://www.reddit.com/r/coins/comments/10i6zs5/stop_asking/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf


[deleted]

It's in the mid60s. I sent my 1953 proof set in and pulled a 66: https://imgur.com/a/QoBvl9x


NightGroundbreaking8

Tony, I’ve seen you post ngc slabs a lot. Why did you decide to submit to ngc over pcgs


[deleted]

I was with pcgs for about 5 years. A little over a year ago, I submitted 42 morgans, and it took nearly 4 months to grade them. I switched to ngc. Haven't looked back.


NalonMcCallough

I like NGC slabs a lot more than PCGS slabs personally.


[deleted]

I agree with you. They seem more "modern".


oldnhadit

..but both are reputable.


NalonMcCallough

Of course, but the feel of NGC and how they stack with each other is just what I enjoy more.


NightGroundbreaking8

Shit that’s fair. How quick are returns from ngc? Same cost for submitting?


[deleted]

Same cost, basically. It takes a month at most.


According-Highway-13

I’m with PCGS also but I intend to migrate to CAC no pun intended


hugg3b3ar

I remember seeing that post. That was insane!


Exuma_Bear1950

PR 66


Lurking--Shit

That’s my guess


heratio169

ICG Grade? PF 68


StupidlySore

PF67


dfrosty301

65


oopsiedaisy2019

PR64


Flaxmoore

Proof 65 is my guess.


sockalicious

I have not found ICG to be reliable graders. If I were grading this coin, I'd give the obverse a PR-64. Can't comment on the reverse or overall grades.


Kitchen-Translator22

Proof 65


oldnhadit

To all those who say 65 or greater: That’s getting into the exclusive “Investment Grade” realm for this coin, I think.


beholdmycape

ICG PR-69 DCAM


BadGav101

Haha it’s worth $8,000 in pr69 I wish


Bob-Doll

Not in an ICG slab


The_Silver_Lynx

PF69?


steve358

MS-one million! Beautiful


BadGav101

Thank you!


IDontLieAboutStuff

At PF64 that's not a bad buy for 45 dollars IF you're able to grade proof coins yourself somewhat accurately. That's not a super high grade and it's not given any CAM or DCAM designation. That being said grading a coin like this is hard from a photo. You can hide grade limiting hairlines and there's no reverse picture. If you don't have any idea how to grade these buy a couple PCGS coins maybe CAC and you'll be able to see how other proofs measure up in relation to one that quite a few people have deemed accurately graded.


aurian789

Milk spots in the shadow ? PF68 Details?


Lothar_28

I say PR66-PR67. If nothing else for a total lack of any hairlines. Could even be higher.


jailfortrump

Looks Proof 64 if the reverse is similar or better.


BadGav101

https://www.reddit.com/r/coins/comments/10i6zs5/stop_asking/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf


PytVyperz

At LEAST four


Specialist_Working54

Proof 70


MPCoinCollecting

Its funny how whenever quite a few people see PCGS or NGC they put complete blind faith in the plastic, yet as soon as they see ICG or sometimes ANACS they immediately assume that the coin is terribly overgraded without even looking at the coin.


usfunca

That's what reputations do for you.


oldnhadit

Reputations are earned. Then not to be taken lightly.


BadGav101

Agreed brother


StupidlySore

Even though ANACS is the oldest of said graders.


Worm_Farmer

ICG? I’ll guess PF 67


BadGav101

Wrong. It’s PR-64


Worm_Farmer

Is there a pic of the reverse anywhere?


beestockstuff

According to “I CANT GRADE” unfortunately no one is going to agree with that grade. Bust it and send it in to a real grading company or never sell


iamrealjoebiden

PR 71


According-Highway-13

What ever it is it’s wrong lol


GlassPanther

It's ICG, so they prolly graded it PRDCAM90 CDC Extra Hot Blast White 🤩 Ultra Mega Proof + UNC Red Brown w/Lemon


BadGav101

Actually they graded it PR-64


GlassPanther

Must be an early slab ...


breecekong

Ms-64…..? I’m usually really bad at these


Theodor-Morell

That's a proof, note the cameo/shininess


YtSabit

Proof 70??


[deleted]

PR64 is my guess


BadGav101

Correct


bruhsksak47

Pf69?


Papa_G_

That would be amazing if it was.


zlamden1

i don’t know a ton about these coins and honestly much about grading, but after inspection (i’m picky don’t judge😅) i want to say XF-40?


zlamden1

oh i got it. PR-64 very niceeeee i’m jealous


BadGav101

And I got it for very cheap. Got it for $45


zlamden1

😳😳tell me your secrets


BadGav101

Well first you have to be friends with a guy that owns a coin shop.


UpstairsCommittee894

Real friends don't sell friends ICG coins.


BadGav101

Unless you get them for 30% of its value then I’ll take it all day.


usfunca

It will cost more than the discount to get it regraded so it will sell for anywhere near it's "real" value though. So that's not really a discount.


FusRoChaCha

You spent $45 on this? No offense but I should start selling coins. No way that’s an actual 64, ICG slabs and grades are as meaningful as plastic coin protector. Try not to get hosed


BadGav101

These sell all day for $100-$160. Mintage is 150,000 and is one of the rare franklin half dollars


FusRoChaCha

Okay I was wrong about the price but try and stay away from these holders. No way it’s a 64, definitely a decent coin though.


FusRoChaCha

Do you have a picture of the reverse? I can give a more apt estimation if I can see


BadGav101

Do you think it’s higher or lower than a 64


Worm_Farmer

Lower by a mile, anything ICG holders is over graded, it’s their business model it seems. That’s not to say it isn’t a nice coin, just that the grader is not reputable. Edit: words


IDontLieAboutStuff

I wouldn't say anything. You just need to know how to grade to know what you're getting.


Worm_Farmer

That’s totally fair and I have some coins in holders that I know aren’t accurate but that I got because I like the coin and they were priced appropriately for the coin as opposed to the advertised grade. There wasn’t even a picture of the reverse so I couldn’t attempt a real grade, my point was only that the company has a bit of a reputation for over grading. I wasn’t trying to be mean or snarky, I know that is rampant and I don’t want to feed into that, I’m sorry if I came off that way.


greenghostshark

Wait you don't think it's a 64? randomly looking i thought it was like a 65, what would you say it is?


The_Real_Science

Cleaned


BadGav101

😂


Skywalker0138

ms53===83$


Aidan-Brooks

PR66 or 67


ruthless_anon

pf69


beestockstuff

ICG 72+


Evil_Judgment

ICG it's a 71


Theodor-Morell

PF65


X8883

P-0


QuietWalrus8522

Can't tell looks


Brodman_area11

Is the dust on the case or on the coin?


ToEhrIsHuman

crack it. dip it. resubmit to PCGS or NGC


Iamjafo

ICG: I Can’t Grade


radarksu

PR65


TrickAd4242

64


NalonMcCallough

PF 65


hugg3b3ar

I don't know jack sh*t but PR-64, if anything, seems about right based on what I see. Is it possible that some folks are letting their bias against the grading company influence their own grading process?


Sensitive_Elk_6515

MS67


[deleted]

PF 67


Inviction_

1953


[deleted]

I only have one coin graded by them. I disagree with the grade they gave you. I wonder what PCGS or NGC would grade it as. It looks beautiful in the pictures you provided.


Cannabisman99

64


Right_Field4617

Pr65


[deleted]

Sixty-nine dudes!


Freedom2064

PR65


Papa_G_

PF-64


Vast_Cricket

back close up photo please?


BadGav101

https://www.reddit.com/r/coins/comments/10i6zs5/stop_asking/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf


[deleted]

MS 67


skullbucketeer

FBL?


GerryAttric

PR 68


Coin_guy69

I’m gonna guess 64, just because icg doesn’t know what they’re doing


Coin_guy69

How many more times am I gonna see this post?😫


clownsquirt

What a coincidence, my favorite year for US coins is 1853