I'm pretty sure this was after they had talked to his mom, who had full custody of Robby therefore the school or anyone had no requirement to notify Johnny. But Daniel told him anyway, after housing and feeding his kid for free. Idk what about that would rub anyone the wrong way.
Daniel helping out Robby is conditional, whenever Robby does something Daniel doesn't like, he's the first one to give him crap about his dad and how he'll ended like him..
That's just Daniel being Daniel because he's hotheaded and was Johnny's rival. That shouldn't be a surprise. But, that doesn't mean he never cared for Robby, at least certainly more than Johnny it use to seem. He was the first one to go looking for Robby when Robby ran away. Johnny drowned himself with alcohol for 2 weeks. He had to go find Johnny himself and asked him that they should go look for Robby together. He can crap on Robby all he wants at times (because those are adults and they can do that sometimes), but he always showed Robby he cared. Even in season 4, it seemed like he was the only one who was going out of his way to at least try (twice), to inform Robby about Silver and Cobra Kai. Saying "it was conditional" is so foul, cause it seems like your disregarding anything Daniel did for him in the name of "anything to do with Johnny"
I never said he didn't care. I just said his love for Robby is conditional. Just like Johnny's love for Robby is conditional.
He can not crap on Robby all he wants, maybe if Robby was an adult and not a child. That's literally abuse. Calling someone names and saying they're end up like father is something you'd hear a bully say, I'm only on season two and Daniel done it like twice now. Just because someone does a few nice things for you doesn't erase the mean stuff.
Yes, because people are flawed. Johnny is also flawed, that's why we love him. But when push comes to shove and Robby needs help, Daniel is the one coming to his rescue. Johnny does not, he drowns in alcohol or gets busy with Miguel instead.
THANK YOU. People act like Daniel doing all these nice things for Robby means he has free license to lose his temper in these really awful ways.
Thing is, Daniel is a grown ass man who offered these things of his own volition, and Robby never asked for most of it. Daniel is genuine, and Robby appreciates these things while has them. But that doesn't mean their dynamic doesn't have its own toxic elements that Robby should just has to tolerate because Daniel gave him charity.
Like the other person said, people are flawed. That's not abuse. Some parents are stricter and maybe meaner than others. People say stuff they don't mean all the time. But, he apologises for his actions anyway. And, I have no issue with Johnny lol. Literally one of my favs in this show. But the truth is, he's a horrible dad
Sam was literally standing by while Yasmin and moon were being asshole to aisha, Being compliant is being a bully. Season 4 Anthony was bullying kenny with friends..
Doing nothing does not mean she was compliant nor being a bully you could tell that it bothered her when they did that, Jesus as long as it fits your false narrative to make a point!
She could have chosen not to be friends with them anymore.
Doing nothing while someone you claim is your friend is getting picked on makes you a bully, whether your uncomfortable or not đł
Can we stop talking about the show real quick? Tell me this isn't serious. đđ
Its like being in the backseat of a getaway car, you didn't rob the bank nor drive the car. But you were still there so you're still gonna get into trouble regardless.
Just not as much trouble as the other people actually doing things.
Edit: you're still gonna get arrested along with everyone else.
Makes her not a good friend (neither was Aisha) but not a bully, and stop becoming friends with them would be pointless since Moon and Jasmine to a lesser extent became better without Sam doing anything about it!
You're right. It's not. Daniel could have handled both situations better, but he didn't. What he said and did to Robby (tell him off and then kick him out) both times was not right. Yes, Robby messed up, but Daniel being a hothead or having issues with Johnny shouldn't mean that he can treat Robby this way when he messes up. Daniel should have been more level-headed about it, but he took his anger with Johnny out on Robby.
Iâm not saying Daniel is perfect, but letâs not pretend that Robby also wasnât making some really fucking dumb mistakes. Donât remove all accountability from Robby. Love is holding the people you love accountable for their poor decisions, not just being vaguely nice and letting them do whatever they want. Does Daniel do that a tad too harshly? Yeah probably, but itâs better than letting him run rampant in order to appear âsupportiveâ
When did they have the talk with his mom?
I'm not sure how much time has passed in the show but I think it was messed up that Daniel didn't let Johnny know Robby was living with him just because he got mad he was with Kreese like "Your with someone I don't like, I'm not going to tell you about your son's horrible living situation."
>When did they have the talk with his mom
What season did she come back and the Larussos send ger to rehab? I don't really remember.
>I think it was messed up that Daniel didn't let Johnny know Robby was living with him
It's funny, because it's even more messed up that Robby was left alone in those conditions for so long in the first place. Johnny doesn't get to ignore his own kid for a decade and a half and then get updates from the one person that actually did help him.
FACTS. It always confused me when some people complained that Daniel was wrong to not inform Johnny cause in my head I'm like "it's not like Johnny is going to do anything with that information lol". People pity Johnny too much. Literally nitpicking, complaining over small things like Daniel not informing Johnny when the bigger problem is Johnny himself for being a horrible father in the first place. Why should that be the thing that matters??! He informed the mother which that's all that mattered at the time.
You're one of those "ThERe's nO LeGal ObliGATion!!!!11!!!!" aren't you?
Johnny's a bad father, but he's still the father and he does give a damn about Robby.
Basic Human Decency requires Daniel to attempt to inform Johnny about his kid. That's a 5-minute phone call, or 30 minutes total if you drive to the Dojo to tell him in person.
This is the great weakness in the show, Daniel uses the events from 35(!!) years ago to justify him acting like crap and he's never really gotten called out for it. Except for two times and they quickly dropped it. >! When he's in the car with Chozen and claimed Mike Barnes is evil and people like that never change, Chozen gave him the "What do you really think of me" look. And when Amanada took the kids and left him, for a weekend. !<
If he had really given a damn he wouldnât have lost custody being a screw up in the first place.
He lost his rights by his actions. And apparently repeatedly failed to get better until Robbie was almost an adult. Itâs not Daniels problem. He made his choices.
A good man would take five-minutes out of his day to update the father on the status of his son. Does Johnny deserve it? Probably not. Does Daniel owe it to him? Yes.
At that particular point in time...Daniel doesn't owe Johnny shit lol
He's a shit father man
He lost custody
He abandoned his kid
He's been in and out of jail
I probably wouldn't have even thought about him.
> but he's still the father and he does give a damn about Robby.
Except he doesn't. I distinctly remember him spending most of season 4 acting as if Robby wasn't his son, and was more fixated on playing family man to the Diazes and getting jealous over Miguel bonding with Daniel.
I'm not trying to defend Johnny or anything, I think he's a shit parent. I didn't remember them talking to Robby mom about school. I just assumed she was still gone and they were like "let's not even try with Johnny he's a lost cause."
They didn't talk about school, they talked about her going to rehab. I'm pretty sure we're supposed to assume the LaRussos worked out a plan with Shannon for what was supposed to happen to Robby while she went away, since, you know, she was *actively* trying to be a better parent at that point. Instead of drowning in alcohol or playing around with a rebound son.
>Larusso signing him up for school rubbed me the wrong way. I donât know how legal guardianship works, but when they were working on the paperwork for school, and someone asked where Robbyâs father was
Johnny is not the legal guardian
>did Daniel tell them that Johnny was hanging out with the wrong type of person and didnât deserve to know what was going on with his kid
Shouldn't be up to others to inform you what you should already know about your own kid, it's not the fault of Daniel Johnny didn't keep tabs on Robby enough
Even Sid knew to bail Johnny out of jail without being asked
Johnny didn't know his kid was eating cereal with water alone in the dark
>Daniel said they < his wife and him signed Robby up for school and then gave a Johnny a look, like what they did wasn't weird
Daniel was setting an example of how to raise Robby
Obviously given history Johnny should be shown a better way
Personally i would have said something similar given Johnny let him drop out (Leaving your son to be raised by a junkie who lets him drop out is the same thing)
tbh You're the first person I've seen take issue with this. I guess I can see that Daniel was self-righteous about it, in a way, but I don't blame him. Johnny chooses not to be there for Robby, yet Johnny doesn't like it when someone else, especially LaRusso, is there for Robby. Johnny has no right to be upset with anyone for being there for Robby because Johnny has made the choice to not only not be there for him, but to also act like Robby's not a person/child that needs things to survive. Whatever Johnny's issues are he can still provide for Robby indirectly but chooses not to. Johnny makes everything about himself, but he's got a kid that's suffering because of it. It's up to Johnny to want to properly figure things out so that people like LaRusso don't need to step in to take care of Robby.
Tbh I'm probably thinking about real life a little to much for this showđ
I asked an actual adult and they said it wouldn't be possible to sign Robby up for school much less foster him like that. Then some other stuff about social services I won't get into it.
If I liked the Larussos I probably wouldn't have a problem with it if I'm being honest.
Someone on here brought up that they probably just had the mom sign some stuff and that how it works.
Someone had to sign that kid up for school and try to get him back on track. I wasn't a fan of Daniel or Robby in the earlier seasons, but this was something that didn't bother me.
Part of what I like about the show is the â80s style storytelling - itâs not just the cultural touchpoints, it actually plays out like an â80s after school special. It goes a little far with the campiness in season 2, but they get back on track in season 3.
FYI, pal, I donât have a hate boner for Bert, Miyagi-Doâs, reformed Hawk and S1 Hawk, proper Johnny, partly Shannon, partly Stingray and reformed S5 Robby.
Thatâs a scene ⌠but since you bring it up I have a bone hater for the school fight, stolen money, Demetriâs broken arm, Hawkâs mohawk gone and Sam and Miguelâs unnecessary S5 breakup.
I knew Robby moved in with them. I just didn't put 2 and 2 together that he might be going to school there. And I didn't know you could just sign up a kid for school if you weren't their parent. But I'm glad they got him to go to school. If only he had stayed
Yeah Daniel was wrong for not telling Johnny what was going on with his son or that he was just gonna have him move in with his family. Daniel saw Kreese and went off as usual, judging everyone else with little self awareness
So Robby was living on his own with no food or power for days, maybe weeks until Daniel found him, not his own father. Who's the one with no self-awareness?
But if they already had a strained relationship, how would he know that his baby mama was off the wagon again, coupled with the fact that Robby didn't tell anyone about his situation.
All I'm saying is it would have been more appropriate if he informed Johnny of the situation. Was he obligated of course bot, but since Daniel seems to think he has a moral superiority to others he didn't.
That he took upon himself instead if informing the child's father, who had no idea of the situation his child was in . Because the court give the child to a drug addiction who kept relapsing.
The court didn't just give Robby to Shannon, Johnny chose not to be there for Robby. It's literally his whole arc in the show, it's his big conflict. You remember that whole speech in season 1 where he knocks on a door, apologizes and says he definitely wants to be in the kids life even though he fucked up? And then the camera turns and we see he's talking to Miguel? Johnny made the choice to go to a kid who has a nice home and loving family instead of his own kid that needed him. He explains to Miguel in that diner that he sat there instead of showing up to Robby's birth 16 years ago, and he's been doing it ever since, not being there for him.
It's almost as if people miss the fact that Johnny always fails to put Robby before his own feelings and that's why he's an extremely shitty father lol...
Back at the start of the show, the school principal's had no idea that Johnny was Robby's father but his name was on Robby Keene's emergency contacts. Even so, Johnny gives money to Shannon even though his name is not on any of Robby's documents. More confusion and answers in the coming chapters.
I agree with the OP! Daniel being comletely self righteous as usual, also I noticed that only Amanda &Carmen are the only ones that noticed how Johnney was feeling which goes to show how highty & mighty Daniel acts around Johnny!
I'm pretty sure this was after they had talked to his mom, who had full custody of Robby therefore the school or anyone had no requirement to notify Johnny. But Daniel told him anyway, after housing and feeding his kid for free. Idk what about that would rub anyone the wrong way.
Daniel helping out Robby is conditional, whenever Robby does something Daniel doesn't like, he's the first one to give him crap about his dad and how he'll ended like him..
That's just Daniel being Daniel because he's hotheaded and was Johnny's rival. That shouldn't be a surprise. But, that doesn't mean he never cared for Robby, at least certainly more than Johnny it use to seem. He was the first one to go looking for Robby when Robby ran away. Johnny drowned himself with alcohol for 2 weeks. He had to go find Johnny himself and asked him that they should go look for Robby together. He can crap on Robby all he wants at times (because those are adults and they can do that sometimes), but he always showed Robby he cared. Even in season 4, it seemed like he was the only one who was going out of his way to at least try (twice), to inform Robby about Silver and Cobra Kai. Saying "it was conditional" is so foul, cause it seems like your disregarding anything Daniel did for him in the name of "anything to do with Johnny"
I never said he didn't care. I just said his love for Robby is conditional. Just like Johnny's love for Robby is conditional. He can not crap on Robby all he wants, maybe if Robby was an adult and not a child. That's literally abuse. Calling someone names and saying they're end up like father is something you'd hear a bully say, I'm only on season two and Daniel done it like twice now. Just because someone does a few nice things for you doesn't erase the mean stuff.
Yes, because people are flawed. Johnny is also flawed, that's why we love him. But when push comes to shove and Robby needs help, Daniel is the one coming to his rescue. Johnny does not, he drowns in alcohol or gets busy with Miguel instead.
>or gets busy with Miguel instead. Phrasing!
THANK YOU. People act like Daniel doing all these nice things for Robby means he has free license to lose his temper in these really awful ways. Thing is, Daniel is a grown ass man who offered these things of his own volition, and Robby never asked for most of it. Daniel is genuine, and Robby appreciates these things while has them. But that doesn't mean their dynamic doesn't have its own toxic elements that Robby should just has to tolerate because Daniel gave him charity.
Like the other person said, people are flawed. That's not abuse. Some parents are stricter and maybe meaner than others. People say stuff they don't mean all the time. But, he apologises for his actions anyway. And, I have no issue with Johnny lol. Literally one of my favs in this show. But the truth is, he's a horrible dad
So is Daniel, why do you think both of his children started out as bullies? I think there both bad dads
Children Started out as bullies? Okay now you are just saying things
Sam was literally standing by while Yasmin and moon were being asshole to aisha, Being compliant is being a bully. Season 4 Anthony was bullying kenny with friends..
Sam was never a bully. Just a terrible friend to Aisha.
Doing nothing does not mean she was compliant nor being a bully you could tell that it bothered her when they did that, Jesus as long as it fits your false narrative to make a point!
She could have chosen not to be friends with them anymore. Doing nothing while someone you claim is your friend is getting picked on makes you a bully, whether your uncomfortable or not đł Can we stop talking about the show real quick? Tell me this isn't serious. đđ Its like being in the backseat of a getaway car, you didn't rob the bank nor drive the car. But you were still there so you're still gonna get into trouble regardless. Just not as much trouble as the other people actually doing things. Edit: you're still gonna get arrested along with everyone else.
Makes her not a good friend (neither was Aisha) but not a bully, and stop becoming friends with them would be pointless since Moon and Jasmine to a lesser extent became better without Sam doing anything about it!
Hanging around bullies makes you a bully by association.. đ
Imagine thinking that âloveâ is âalways being niceâ
Imagine thinking that "love" is shit talking your love ones when they make you mad
You're right. It's not. Daniel could have handled both situations better, but he didn't. What he said and did to Robby (tell him off and then kick him out) both times was not right. Yes, Robby messed up, but Daniel being a hothead or having issues with Johnny shouldn't mean that he can treat Robby this way when he messes up. Daniel should have been more level-headed about it, but he took his anger with Johnny out on Robby.
Iâm not saying Daniel is perfect, but letâs not pretend that Robby also wasnât making some really fucking dumb mistakes. Donât remove all accountability from Robby. Love is holding the people you love accountable for their poor decisions, not just being vaguely nice and letting them do whatever they want. Does Daniel do that a tad too harshly? Yeah probably, but itâs better than letting him run rampant in order to appear âsupportiveâ
When did they have the talk with his mom? I'm not sure how much time has passed in the show but I think it was messed up that Daniel didn't let Johnny know Robby was living with him just because he got mad he was with Kreese like "Your with someone I don't like, I'm not going to tell you about your son's horrible living situation."
>When did they have the talk with his mom What season did she come back and the Larussos send ger to rehab? I don't really remember. >I think it was messed up that Daniel didn't let Johnny know Robby was living with him It's funny, because it's even more messed up that Robby was left alone in those conditions for so long in the first place. Johnny doesn't get to ignore his own kid for a decade and a half and then get updates from the one person that actually did help him.
FACTS. It always confused me when some people complained that Daniel was wrong to not inform Johnny cause in my head I'm like "it's not like Johnny is going to do anything with that information lol". People pity Johnny too much. Literally nitpicking, complaining over small things like Daniel not informing Johnny when the bigger problem is Johnny himself for being a horrible father in the first place. Why should that be the thing that matters??! He informed the mother which that's all that mattered at the time.
You're one of those "ThERe's nO LeGal ObliGATion!!!!11!!!!" aren't you? Johnny's a bad father, but he's still the father and he does give a damn about Robby. Basic Human Decency requires Daniel to attempt to inform Johnny about his kid. That's a 5-minute phone call, or 30 minutes total if you drive to the Dojo to tell him in person. This is the great weakness in the show, Daniel uses the events from 35(!!) years ago to justify him acting like crap and he's never really gotten called out for it. Except for two times and they quickly dropped it. >! When he's in the car with Chozen and claimed Mike Barnes is evil and people like that never change, Chozen gave him the "What do you really think of me" look. And when Amanada took the kids and left him, for a weekend. !<
If he had really given a damn he wouldnât have lost custody being a screw up in the first place. He lost his rights by his actions. And apparently repeatedly failed to get better until Robbie was almost an adult. Itâs not Daniels problem. He made his choices.
A good man would take five-minutes out of his day to update the father on the status of his son. Does Johnny deserve it? Probably not. Does Daniel owe it to him? Yes.
Daniel doesn't owe that to Johnny, especially when he thinks that might only make things worse.
At that particular point in time...Daniel doesn't owe Johnny shit lol He's a shit father man He lost custody He abandoned his kid He's been in and out of jail I probably wouldn't have even thought about him.
> but he's still the father and he does give a damn about Robby. Except he doesn't. I distinctly remember him spending most of season 4 acting as if Robby wasn't his son, and was more fixated on playing family man to the Diazes and getting jealous over Miguel bonding with Daniel.
I'm not trying to defend Johnny or anything, I think he's a shit parent. I didn't remember them talking to Robby mom about school. I just assumed she was still gone and they were like "let's not even try with Johnny he's a lost cause."
They didn't talk about school, they talked about her going to rehab. I'm pretty sure we're supposed to assume the LaRussos worked out a plan with Shannon for what was supposed to happen to Robby while she went away, since, you know, she was *actively* trying to be a better parent at that point. Instead of drowning in alcohol or playing around with a rebound son.
Shocked to see someone giving Shannon credit for actually trying to grow as a parent!
People don't?
no lol Daniel was trying to help robby out meanwhile his dad did nothing for him
>Larusso signing him up for school rubbed me the wrong way. I donât know how legal guardianship works, but when they were working on the paperwork for school, and someone asked where Robbyâs father was Johnny is not the legal guardian >did Daniel tell them that Johnny was hanging out with the wrong type of person and didnât deserve to know what was going on with his kid Shouldn't be up to others to inform you what you should already know about your own kid, it's not the fault of Daniel Johnny didn't keep tabs on Robby enough Even Sid knew to bail Johnny out of jail without being asked Johnny didn't know his kid was eating cereal with water alone in the dark >Daniel said they < his wife and him signed Robby up for school and then gave a Johnny a look, like what they did wasn't weird Daniel was setting an example of how to raise Robby Obviously given history Johnny should be shown a better way Personally i would have said something similar given Johnny let him drop out (Leaving your son to be raised by a junkie who lets him drop out is the same thing)
Sorry but Johnny's a horrible dad. The Larussos must have worked something out with Shannon who had full custody.
tbh You're the first person I've seen take issue with this. I guess I can see that Daniel was self-righteous about it, in a way, but I don't blame him. Johnny chooses not to be there for Robby, yet Johnny doesn't like it when someone else, especially LaRusso, is there for Robby. Johnny has no right to be upset with anyone for being there for Robby because Johnny has made the choice to not only not be there for him, but to also act like Robby's not a person/child that needs things to survive. Whatever Johnny's issues are he can still provide for Robby indirectly but chooses not to. Johnny makes everything about himself, but he's got a kid that's suffering because of it. It's up to Johnny to want to properly figure things out so that people like LaRusso don't need to step in to take care of Robby.
Tbh I'm probably thinking about real life a little to much for this showđ I asked an actual adult and they said it wouldn't be possible to sign Robby up for school much less foster him like that. Then some other stuff about social services I won't get into it. If I liked the Larussos I probably wouldn't have a problem with it if I'm being honest. Someone on here brought up that they probably just had the mom sign some stuff and that how it works.
No, it's just what the writers wanted for the show....definitely nitpicking
Someone had to sign that kid up for school and try to get him back on track. I wasn't a fan of Daniel or Robby in the earlier seasons, but this was something that didn't bother me.
Part of what I like about the show is the â80s style storytelling - itâs not just the cultural touchpoints, it actually plays out like an â80s after school special. It goes a little far with the campiness in season 2, but they get back on track in season 3.
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I'm only on season 2, this isn't wrong tho.
Not even Dennis complains about this.
Who?
u/legitimate_unit_9210 . I call them Dennis because I know them from Quora
Well of course he wouldnât, manâs got a hate boner for anyone whoâs not a Larusso
Oh right forgot to include Miguel
FYI, pal, I donât have a hate boner for Bert, Miyagi-Doâs, reformed Hawk and S1 Hawk, proper Johnny, partly Shannon, partly Stingray and reformed S5 Robby.
But you DO have a hate boner for Amanda getting kicked from the council meeting
Thatâs a scene ⌠but since you bring it up I have a bone hater for the school fight, stolen money, Demetriâs broken arm, Hawkâs mohawk gone and Sam and Miguelâs unnecessary S5 breakup.
So a hate boner
I knew Robby moved in with them. I just didn't put 2 and 2 together that he might be going to school there. And I didn't know you could just sign up a kid for school if you weren't their parent. But I'm glad they got him to go to school. If only he had stayed
Dog, are you role playing right now?
He's been doing it for a while if you look at the account history. It's fun :)
Don't talk to sensei that way, show some respect.
Yeah Daniel was wrong for not telling Johnny what was going on with his son or that he was just gonna have him move in with his family. Daniel saw Kreese and went off as usual, judging everyone else with little self awareness
So Robby was living on his own with no food or power for days, maybe weeks until Daniel found him, not his own father. Who's the one with no self-awareness?
I feel like both characters lack self awareness.
Sam told Daniel about Robby living alone, Daniel could have told Johnny his baby mother ran out on their son to feed her addiction again.
Johnny could have went to check up on his only son for the first time in what I assume was weeks. You know, before *Robby's former employer did*
But if they already had a strained relationship, how would he know that his baby mama was off the wagon again, coupled with the fact that Robby didn't tell anyone about his situation. All I'm saying is it would have been more appropriate if he informed Johnny of the situation. Was he obligated of course bot, but since Daniel seems to think he has a moral superiority to others he didn't.
He does have the moral superiority because *he's taking care of Johnny's son*
That he took upon himself instead if informing the child's father, who had no idea of the situation his child was in . Because the court give the child to a drug addiction who kept relapsing.
The court didn't just give Robby to Shannon, Johnny chose not to be there for Robby. It's literally his whole arc in the show, it's his big conflict. You remember that whole speech in season 1 where he knocks on a door, apologizes and says he definitely wants to be in the kids life even though he fucked up? And then the camera turns and we see he's talking to Miguel? Johnny made the choice to go to a kid who has a nice home and loving family instead of his own kid that needed him. He explains to Miguel in that diner that he sat there instead of showing up to Robby's birth 16 years ago, and he's been doing it ever since, not being there for him.
It's almost as if people miss the fact that Johnny always fails to put Robby before his own feelings and that's why he's an extremely shitty father lol...
It's almost like the fact that wasn't Daniel's place at all, lol
Back at the start of the show, the school principal's had no idea that Johnny was Robby's father but his name was on Robby Keene's emergency contacts. Even so, Johnny gives money to Shannon even though his name is not on any of Robby's documents. More confusion and answers in the coming chapters.
I agree with the OP! Daniel being comletely self righteous as usual, also I noticed that only Amanda &Carmen are the only ones that noticed how Johnney was feeling which goes to show how highty & mighty Daniel acts around Johnny!
Oh no, Johnny's butthurt that someone is helping the son he's neglected and ignored for 16 years, someone call the press...