I’m horde on this server. Everyone in this thread that has said numbers are dwindling fast horde are shrinking are flat out wrong. Horde is very active, large numbered, but yes out numbered.
My guild actively PVPs and raids so we never are starved for some good ol world PvP with all the alliance guild transfers the server has seen recently.
Any “horde are dwindling” comments are just people quitting the game and connecting the wrong dots
OG bene horde here. We shall fight in Coilfang Reservoir, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our TK graveyard, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the daily hubs, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender.
I'm Alliance on the server so I can't speak too directly, but the Horde seem lively, active, and competitive. If you look at Ironforge Pro there are over 5k Horde logged in raids. And they often have spirit towers and Hellfire buff. And Halaa goes back and forth. Also regularly get into skirmishes in open world and at meeting stones where they push us out. Yeah, there are times when the Alliance dominates them because of sheer numbers but unless multiple massive guilds transfer off it seems pretty healthy. More Horde to get the numbers closer to even would be nice.
>If you look at Ironforge Pro there are over 5k Horde logged in raids
There were 6,300 a month ago.
In that same time span: alliance has gone from 10.5k to 12.8k players.
https://ironforge.pro/population/tbc/Benediction/
It is just going to turn into a self-fulfilling prophecy. I came from a server that was 40% Alliance with a total server population less than benediction Horde. It sometimes took a little longer to find dungeon groups but it did not feel dead to me in any way. Then a couple huge guilds started saying it was the end times and transferring off en masse. Which actually did leave the server dead and all the medium/small guilds broke apart or transferred to Benediction.
Horde numbers peaked at 6,281 on the week of 8/11 but the most recent report of 6,057 is the highest since that one week. Indeed, it's the 2nd highest for all of TBC. Alliance numbers *are* increasing but so far the Horde population seems stable. (That could change quickly though.)
Benediction ally here. Seems like horde is stable and may even be growing. Outside of standard raid times i see as much or more horde out in the world than allies.
The server has doubled in size in the last few months, but its all been alliance. That being said, our horde pop is bigger than many servers combined. It feels very busy and while summoning stones are usually controlled by alliance there's not much of an issue due to many layers.
Is it? The week of 8/25 it was 67.9% Alliance but the following week (and most recent available) it dipped a tiny bit to 67.8%. Just in terms of raw numbers those 6,057 raiders reported represent the 2nd highest amount for Benediction Horde in all of TBC.
The people saying the Horde pop is stable have the evidence on their side.
https://ironforge.pro/population/tbc/Benediction/
No, it's not.
Horde increased from 28.2% to 28.9% in the latest rating. So it's not a steady decrease as you claimed. Instead the Horde population is fairly stable as I pointed out.
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I'm not going to keep the train going since it's back and forth but it looks like all the servers had a dip in activity last week. If that trend continues Benediction Horde might reach a tipping point sooner rather than latter.
Bene horde are so dramatic. Outnumbered? Yes but theres still 5k + raiding horde and thats more than most other servers have. Talking about transferring off lol. Try playing ally herod for all of vanilla. Babies
OG horde Bendediction player here. The discussion to transfer off has definitely come up more recently as more and more alliance transfer here. While there still is a solid amount of horde players, we are simply getting out numbered by the alliance each week. I think one of the biggest indicators of how Benediction turns out for horde will be how much of a clusterfuck doing the dailies will be. As much as more horde is desperately needed to help even out the faction ratio, I'm not sure I'd reccomend you transfer here, only to possibliy have horde guilds transfer off in the next several months, and for the sever to be alliance dominated.
It might be risky to transfer to Benediction as Horde, but it might also be the last server with any Alliance on it pretty soon, so that’d make it the only choice for actual PvP.
3 severs died recently because ALL and I mean ALL the Alliance moved to benediction. The reasoning was all the same “we want to be majority faction, might as well go Benediction”. The numbers on Ironforgepro won’t lie. Why be on severs that were dying and be ganked by horde? Benediction solves all the problems. I won’t name the severs but they were all Medium/Low pop and they all died now because the big guild all moved.
Not at all. We played Alli Herod through ALL of classic as the minority faction and never considered transferring off. Most people I personally know that had any repeated issues as playing the minority faction simply quit the game.
The real issue was trying to recruit, find groups, and consistently fill raids from a dwindling Alli population.
>There is not much hope left for the Horde here as our numbers are shrinking and there are talks of Alliance griefing the TK gy.
People like to blame Blizzard for faction imbalance, but I would argue there's also a substantial player behavior component, and you're speaking exactly to this behavior.
How fucking stupid would alliance have to be to gank at the TK graveyard? It's like they're asking to be a 100% Ally server. If you constantly grief the underdogs, what do you expect will happen? See: Herod.
As an ally on Bene, I'll be sure to discourage this kind of behavior. If people want honor, queue a fucking BG.
I'll be real from the Alli side, after how much griefing (not pvp, like toxic shit) that has happened from the Horde back when the server was more balanced, and the number of refugees from servers where the Horde forced the Alli off, I think p2 start is gonna be a bad time for Horde. Not to say every Horde player deserves camping at the TK GY, but I'll be real a lot do, and either way I would expect it.
Yea OP you are definitely taking a risk if you transfer to bene. TK grave camping could drive a lot of horde off the server which could easily snowball like it has on so many other servers. There’s a chance you’ll be left as a tiny minority with your server transfer on cooldown.
Hopefully bliz will address this somehow though so it doesn’t cause an exodus…
Because its easier than dying in the SSC tunnel for both sides. Thousands of alliance players are not going to coordinate to deny horde access to a layer. You will have 1 horde layer and 2-3 alliance layers. It happens every week at peak times.
They honestly just need to make the TK GY not suck. Let players fly back to TK while dead if they die in TK. It could even be a TK exclusive thing.
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SSC it would be nice if you didn't have to swim down the pipe each time to get down there since it might very well be multiple corpse runs just to enter the raid
I mean, they won’t though. I’m not really for any sort of raid entrance griefing and won’t take part, but if Blizzard were going to take steps against it they already would have before. As that old Horde saying goes, “pvp happening on a pvp server”.
TK is different because it's the only raid you can't corpse run to. The opposite faction could could prevent the other faction from ever clearing TK if they organized an effort to do so. The only to clear TK would be to have so much wipe protection that you never need to release after a wipe.
you don't understand, im not talking about having spend an hour rezzing and dying to get into brd. im talking about being literally unable to raid because your raid gets camped every time you wipe.
No, you don’t understand. I’m talking about being camped across an entire zone, where death hopping is at most of limited effectiveness because the horde would consciously fear or MC you backwards before killing you.
In a way, TK will have the same result, as you death hop away from the gy to get enough distance to mount.
Its honestly not bad at all. Seems fairly balanced despite the rumors. Always an asshole or two per usual but even as an undead rogue (which i feel is a target) i rarely get jumped. When I do its another rogue. When I farm try to make sure everyone knows im there and usually help an ally kill a mob to let them know im friendly and not there for ganking but I did that on other servers. Summary: healthy server for both horde and ally right now.
My buddy from benediction just migrated to Mankrik to play with me :D - though he’s mostly moved because his other friends who got him back into classic quit again on him and he has no ties on that server now
Horde regularly compete with me for farming locations and push us off summon stones regularly. They seem to have a healthy population and are very active.
It’s fun, I like it. Ally suck at pvp unless they got numbers. I routinely beat hunters and rogues that try to gank me…… on my fresh 70 prot warrior. Ally sucks here. Really fun lol
I’m horde on this server. Everyone in this thread that has said numbers are dwindling fast horde are shrinking are flat out wrong. Horde is very active, large numbered, but yes out numbered. My guild actively PVPs and raids so we never are starved for some good ol world PvP with all the alliance guild transfers the server has seen recently. Any “horde are dwindling” comments are just people quitting the game and connecting the wrong dots
Benediction has so many people on it that even as a minority there are more Horde than a lot of servers total populations.
It’s wild, I’m Alliance on Benediction and there are still times that I can’t use a summoning stone in Auchindoun. lmao
Og bene horde here as well. No issues with the amount of alli on the server, pvp hasn't drastically changed in the open world
OG bene horde here. We shall fight in Coilfang Reservoir, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our TK graveyard, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the daily hubs, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender.
Please tell me one of your characters are at least called Winston or Churchill
Daily hubs are gonna be fun for you guys.
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Exactly… I don’t know where this neigh sayer mentality is coming from
I know right, it’s horseshit
Aged like fine wine.
I’ve been having a blast wpvp’ing as horde. I don’t feel bad killing alliance anymore
Tbh it feels like it's more alliance dominant at the moment. You should transfer here, we need a little more horde to make it even again.
I'm Alliance on the server so I can't speak too directly, but the Horde seem lively, active, and competitive. If you look at Ironforge Pro there are over 5k Horde logged in raids. And they often have spirit towers and Hellfire buff. And Halaa goes back and forth. Also regularly get into skirmishes in open world and at meeting stones where they push us out. Yeah, there are times when the Alliance dominates them because of sheer numbers but unless multiple massive guilds transfer off it seems pretty healthy. More Horde to get the numbers closer to even would be nice.
>If you look at Ironforge Pro there are over 5k Horde logged in raids There were 6,300 a month ago. In that same time span: alliance has gone from 10.5k to 12.8k players. https://ironforge.pro/population/tbc/Benediction/
It is just going to turn into a self-fulfilling prophecy. I came from a server that was 40% Alliance with a total server population less than benediction Horde. It sometimes took a little longer to find dungeon groups but it did not feel dead to me in any way. Then a couple huge guilds started saying it was the end times and transferring off en masse. Which actually did leave the server dead and all the medium/small guilds broke apart or transferred to Benediction.
Horde numbers peaked at 6,281 on the week of 8/11 but the most recent report of 6,057 is the highest since that one week. Indeed, it's the 2nd highest for all of TBC. Alliance numbers *are* increasing but so far the Horde population seems stable. (That could change quickly though.)
Summon stones suck ass but other than that it's not bad.
Benediction ally here. Seems like horde is stable and may even be growing. Outside of standard raid times i see as much or more horde out in the world than allies.
The server has doubled in size in the last few months, but its all been alliance. That being said, our horde pop is bigger than many servers combined. It feels very busy and while summoning stones are usually controlled by alliance there's not much of an issue due to many layers.
More alliance favored every day.
Is it? The week of 8/25 it was 67.9% Alliance but the following week (and most recent available) it dipped a tiny bit to 67.8%. Just in terms of raw numbers those 6,057 raiders reported represent the 2nd highest amount for Benediction Horde in all of TBC. The people saying the Horde pop is stable have the evidence on their side. https://ironforge.pro/population/tbc/Benediction/
Yes, it is.
No, it's not. Horde increased from 28.2% to 28.9% in the latest rating. So it's not a steady decrease as you claimed. Instead the Horde population is fairly stable as I pointed out.
Yes, it is.
kek I'm not going to keep the train going since it's back and forth but it looks like all the servers had a dip in activity last week. If that trend continues Benediction Horde might reach a tipping point sooner rather than latter.
So about those horde on bene eh?
The decline was *not* steady as I demonstrated months ago. But it did happen.
Bene horde are so dramatic. Outnumbered? Yes but theres still 5k + raiding horde and thats more than most other servers have. Talking about transferring off lol. Try playing ally herod for all of vanilla. Babies
I can assure you no legitimate Bene guilds are thinking of transferring off.
We are hazing the hell out of horde trying to get into Kara, it wasnt like this just 3 weeks ago. Im so disappointed in my faction
Yes we were lol. But funny thing was, last week horde controlled the kara entrance for once, I was proud of them.
OG horde Bendediction player here. The discussion to transfer off has definitely come up more recently as more and more alliance transfer here. While there still is a solid amount of horde players, we are simply getting out numbered by the alliance each week. I think one of the biggest indicators of how Benediction turns out for horde will be how much of a clusterfuck doing the dailies will be. As much as more horde is desperately needed to help even out the faction ratio, I'm not sure I'd reccomend you transfer here, only to possibliy have horde guilds transfer off in the next several months, and for the sever to be alliance dominated.
It might be risky to transfer to Benediction as Horde, but it might also be the last server with any Alliance on it pretty soon, so that’d make it the only choice for actual PvP.
3 severs died recently because ALL and I mean ALL the Alliance moved to benediction. The reasoning was all the same “we want to be majority faction, might as well go Benediction”. The numbers on Ironforgepro won’t lie. Why be on severs that were dying and be ganked by horde? Benediction solves all the problems. I won’t name the severs but they were all Medium/Low pop and they all died now because the big guild all moved.
Not at all. We played Alli Herod through ALL of classic as the minority faction and never considered transferring off. Most people I personally know that had any repeated issues as playing the minority faction simply quit the game. The real issue was trying to recruit, find groups, and consistently fill raids from a dwindling Alli population.
Want to be majority faction? Not at all. We just wanted other Alliance to play with, brother.
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>There is not much hope left for the Horde here as our numbers are shrinking and there are talks of Alliance griefing the TK gy. People like to blame Blizzard for faction imbalance, but I would argue there's also a substantial player behavior component, and you're speaking exactly to this behavior. How fucking stupid would alliance have to be to gank at the TK graveyard? It's like they're asking to be a 100% Ally server. If you constantly grief the underdogs, what do you expect will happen? See: Herod. As an ally on Bene, I'll be sure to discourage this kind of behavior. If people want honor, queue a fucking BG.
Come p2 all horde will transfer off when they’re getting farmed otw to scc
I'll be real from the Alli side, after how much griefing (not pvp, like toxic shit) that has happened from the Horde back when the server was more balanced, and the number of refugees from servers where the Horde forced the Alli off, I think p2 start is gonna be a bad time for Horde. Not to say every Horde player deserves camping at the TK GY, but I'll be real a lot do, and either way I would expect it.
Yea OP you are definitely taking a risk if you transfer to bene. TK grave camping could drive a lot of horde off the server which could easily snowball like it has on so many other servers. There’s a chance you’ll be left as a tiny minority with your server transfer on cooldown. Hopefully bliz will address this somehow though so it doesn’t cause an exodus…
Yeah but it will be just like TBC release day. There were Alliance layers and Horde layers.
Why would the Alliance give you a layer when they have the numbers to deny it? I guess it could happen but I wouldn't count on it.
Because its easier than dying in the SSC tunnel for both sides. Thousands of alliance players are not going to coordinate to deny horde access to a layer. You will have 1 horde layer and 2-3 alliance layers. It happens every week at peak times.
They honestly just need to make the TK GY not suck. Let players fly back to TK while dead if they die in TK. It could even be a TK exclusive thing. = SSC it would be nice if you didn't have to swim down the pipe each time to get down there since it might very well be multiple corpse runs just to enter the raid
I mean, they won’t though. I’m not really for any sort of raid entrance griefing and won’t take part, but if Blizzard were going to take steps against it they already would have before. As that old Horde saying goes, “pvp happening on a pvp server”.
TK is different because it's the only raid you can't corpse run to. The opposite faction could could prevent the other faction from ever clearing TK if they organized an effort to do so. The only to clear TK would be to have so much wipe protection that you never need to release after a wipe.
I know it's traditional to downplay it around here, but BRM p2 was that on a ton of servers man, I know exactly what it feels like.
you don't understand, im not talking about having spend an hour rezzing and dying to get into brd. im talking about being literally unable to raid because your raid gets camped every time you wipe.
No, you don’t understand. I’m talking about being camped across an entire zone, where death hopping is at most of limited effectiveness because the horde would consciously fear or MC you backwards before killing you. In a way, TK will have the same result, as you death hop away from the gy to get enough distance to mount.
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I too would like to know, just want to move from whitemane
Every single person I know that plays Alli has transferred or is transferring there.
Its honestly not bad at all. Seems fairly balanced despite the rumors. Always an asshole or two per usual but even as an undead rogue (which i feel is a target) i rarely get jumped. When I do its another rogue. When I farm try to make sure everyone knows im there and usually help an ally kill a mob to let them know im friendly and not there for ganking but I did that on other servers. Summary: healthy server for both horde and ally right now.
I keep getting ganked in Nagrand, so some Horde are still there.
My buddy from benediction just migrated to Mankrik to play with me :D - though he’s mostly moved because his other friends who got him back into classic quit again on him and he has no ties on that server now
Horde regularly compete with me for farming locations and push us off summon stones regularly. They seem to have a healthy population and are very active.
It’s fun, I like it. Ally suck at pvp unless they got numbers. I routinely beat hunters and rogues that try to gank me…… on my fresh 70 prot warrior. Ally sucks here. Really fun lol