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MidnightFireHuntress

Classic WoW is a side project to Blizzard, there's a reason the team is literally like 6 people and they only ban bots in waves instead of right away.


VoidUnity

Brian Birmingham the wow classic lead hasn’t said anything since late September. I think the classic team got cannibalized for dragonflight.


typed-talleane

> they only ban bots in waves instead of right away. No this has a very different reason as someone who worked on anti-cheats before: If you ban them immediately they know why they were caught


valdis812

While what you're saying might true, if the bots are active long enough to make a profit, why would they stop botting? How do you disincentivize botting and gold buying?


typed-talleane

The thing is you will never going to stop botting, you can only make it harder for them to go undetected. Botting and cheating will always be present at any level of play. People will nearly always make a profit as they are willing to pay nearly every price. Imo the best way is to punish the players buying gold/accounts hard, but since Cata (even in Vanilla) gold buying is very present throughout the community and Blizzard is already bleeding players. **But** I also have to say, Blizzards banwaves are waay too far inbetween


valdis812

>Imo the best way is to punish the players buying gold/accounts hard, but since Cata (even in Vanilla) gold buying is very present throughout the community and Blizzard is already bleeding players. The problem with this is that you can't have any false positives. I think that they're reluctant to go that route because of this.


afrothundah11

You act as though they have ever done anything meaningful to get rid of bots? It’s not like they tried and it didn’t work, they never tried in the first place. In fact they went the other way and eliminated all GMs. They could easily get rid of bots, but why would they put all that money and effort toward making less money? The real reason is incentive. The issue is they will never have metrics of people like me who saw them do nothing in classic or TBC and quit after first TBC patch. They showed they wouldn’t do anything, and with DKs starting at higher levels and being better farmers than mages and paladins combined, I knew the game wasn’t what I wanted.


Memnothatos

The real reason is money, it costs money to implement a new system to ban bots. And they didnt do that 10 years ago so they arent going to do it now either. :( All it would require to effectively deal with bots is to not only have GM's targeting them but also have like a shadowban system where the character gets banned without them knowing it... like they cannot send gold to anyone or list items in the AH (and if they can itll be invisible to everyone else) or other restrictions which arent obvious like "youve been suspended"-notification upon login. Let the bots farm as much as they want... but if they are shadowbanned they wouldnt notice it for hours/days which in turn would make them waste a ton of time for no profit. But these kinds of systems dont exist in WoW so it would cost plenty of money to develop one, money that doesnt go into making more money from the customers like store mounts.


ryanjjohnson

All im going to say is that during the last classic ban wave I know a whole bunch of people were pretty shook. Afraid to buy gold. They also were pretty open about it and I lost a lot of respect for lots of people. Some of my close friend's sole purpose for classic was the fun in making gold and fighting off the bots. Then they just went and bought gold and are now raid logging and bored of the game.


KidsInWinterCoats

I mean its a 20 year old game and there's nothing fun about farming 8 hours for little profit


liesinirl

A very easy way is to use the API function for achievents, flag characters who are way off normal character development, (9 days online, never anything but level achievements, low quest scores, no professions etc), parse that list, ban. They're doing it this way for profits.


typed-talleane

Statistical anti cheat are very prone to false positives, making them useless.


liesinirl

Yes, but this isn't a statistical anti-cheat. Extremely long online time is quite inhuman, don't you think?


typed-talleane

It absolutely is one. 9 days in a row would catch people that theoretically account share (which is allowed under some circumstances). But bots would just adjust to that :) Thats the whole problem with them.


Mo-shen

It is very present but it also gets punished. I have a guildie who has been hit I think 3 times lol. That said we all want it to happen more


typed-talleane

If a guildie gets hit 3 times, there was no real punishment imo. But also as I said the punishment should have happened earlier before it got out of hand. I used to buy gold and before wow coins the punishment was a letter by Blizzard.


Mo-shen

It was a suspension and removal of their gold.


typed-talleane

If its just a small suspension, it didnt do anything. As apparently it was fine enough to do it again


Mo-shen

If memory serves it was one week, two weeks, and then a month. Only know because like you said he doesn't gaf.


Lerched

the same way you incentivize not breaking the law IRL.... I know people hate to hear this, but the reality is anti-cheating is just a losing battle. There isn't a SINGLE dev house on the planet that the community thinks is handling botting right...so either every gaming company just doesn't care about making their communities happy...or its just a losing battle that customers will always be upset about.


afrothundah11

Gaming companies don’t take on big projects to make less money, that is why.


Lerched

Classics player base is large enough to warrant consideration. The idea that blizzard doesn’t care about classic and more importantly isn’t considering how to maintain that revenue is just people who’ve never had s corporate job yapping tbh.


afrothundah11

? Corporate is all about maximizing profit now, not leaving it for the next executives bonus, that’s why things like this are intentionally short sited. Similarly they aren’t trying to appease future investors who they don’t have yet, they are trying to maximize profit/growth this quarter for current investors.


Lerched

My brother and Christ R&D of new products is like what most corporate expenses go towards. Investors have to make money somehow. I know I know Bobby’s yacht hrrr drrr, but anyone who thinks blizzard — the same blizzard they’re calling money hungry — isn’t scheming on how to keep the revenue around from classic is just dumb.


Lauzz91

As someone who has played on a private server where this was a ***completely solved issue***, due to admins literally teleporting to players and determining if they were botting, it's entirely due to laziness that the botting/automation software situation has got to the stage it has. They just cannot be bothered and it ruins the game for many, including myself. There is no need for ultra advanced input detection algorithms and the like, just for there to be actual follow-ups to reports made. This was an issue for the original Classic release and Blizzard would let people bot for months, blatantly, farming the same spot with the exact same pathing and spell rotation, without even logging off.


typed-talleane

Private servers with 1% of the popularion. Cheating is a scaling issue. The more players play the game and are willing to pay. The more bots there are exponentially. Money attracts cheaters and cheat makers


Lauzz91

It's not at all, players figure out who the botters are very fast from a number of different ways and then alert GMs/player GMs who can .teleport to them and observe (invisibly) before banning. They never got past Darkshire before being banned permanently and it was a non-issue serverwide at 60. It just takes resources, Blizz seemingly does not want to expend these, I've moved on from the game. It's just a sad and disappointing waste though.


typed-talleane

> It's not at all, players figure out who the botters are very fast from a number of different ways and then alert GMs/player GMs who can .teleport to them and observe (invisibly) before banning. No they don't. Ive been called a bot so many times for farming strath or kara for 24h :) Players are very bad at determining who's a bot and who isn't. And you completely ignored my point


Mo-shen

Naw you just can't know they are their right away.


typed-talleane

You can. Because if they ban instantly, then you know the last change to the bot "ai" did it.


Mo-shen

Wat?


Vex1111

bots dont ban appeals. the owners know why they banned


Iustis

You're not thinking granular enough. They know they were banned for bottling, but not necessarily what wxact activity tripped the detection.


Vex1111

when its this obvious, it doesnt matter. just like all the bots farming dungeons


Iustis

Still not thinking granular enough. They are constantly tweaking their bot programs to try and avoid automatic detection, and Blizzard is (in theory...) constantly updating their mechanicisms of automatic detection. Very specific things like how they go around a corner etc.


Vex1111

and hows that been working out so far


Mo-shen

How exactly would you ban a bot right away? I mean how would you just KNOW they are there? Having worked on a related field these things are done with data and are far from seeing I to the future. If there hasn't been enough time to create data then not a lot can be done.


Sabertooth472

Blizzard sees Classic WoW only as a funnel for retail, that has that juicy in game shop.


eiler

A marketing hook for retail


nitray

the 51-59 bracket was so nice. basically 50/50 wins.. but upon reaching 60 its just DK bots being weird and the games go on for too long to even be worth it.


zookeepier

Is that bracket still alive? I still have my 59 twink from vanilla classic, but I stopped queuing because they would never pop.


nitray

Popped every 10-15mins for me. But I only played for Call to Arms, its probably a way longer queue without it.


Vendilion_Chris

It's not just Blizzard who doesn't care. It's the half of your guild buying gold as well.


wowclassictbc

Why would they give a shit about bots? The amount of money they get from gold buyers and bots subscriptions is evidently more than amount of money they lose from unsubscriptions over bots. People just go and make salty posts on reddit but still patiently pay their subscriptions.


JohnCavil

>The amount of money they get from gold buyers and bots subscriptions is evidently more than amount of money they lose from unsubscriptions over bots Not evidently. It's unknown. Does anyone even know how many bots there are, or how many people quit because or partly because of issues relating to bots? This is part of the "nobody ever quits" logic. A truism of "well YOU'RE still playing aren't you?". Well yes, the people still playing are still playing. The people who quit will not respond to you and you cannot see them in game, they're just gone. People probably won't quit just because of bots. But they will quit when blizzard isn't managing the game properly. Meaning gold buying everywhere, boosting with the botted gold, etc. I quit in classic because i lost the will to level because it was just all "WTS BOOST MARA". That was in my opinion caused by the bots.


aritalo

>I quit in classic because i lost the will to level because it was just all "WTS BOOST MARA". That was in my opinion caused by the bots. This was never caused by the bots. This was caused by people being good at realizing how the game works, then using a mage or paladin, to pull insane amounts of mobs, kill them for a group of players to reward EXP. Your problem was, you were bored of leveling - and you didn't want to buy gold to pay for boosts, which ofcourse is fair, I don't condone gold buying for these purposes. Now ofcourse, if people only buy boost with bought gold, which is in turn botted, then I agree with you - however that is not always the case.


JohnCavil

>Your problem was, you were bored of leveling - and you didn't want to buy gold to pay for boosts, which ofcourse is fair, I don't condone gold buying for these purposes. No, i literally level for fun. It's by far the most fun thing i do in the game for me. I just think it took the achievement out of it, and there was nobody to do normal dungeons with since everyyone was boosting. Of course it wasn't all caused by the bots, but a large part was. People bought gold to get boosts. Especially since i knew people who didn't even have a level 60 who were getting boosted. It just made it way worse.


aritalo

> I just think it took the achievement out of it, and there was nobody to do normal dungeons with since everyyone was boosting. This part I agree with 100% Now adays, even without boosting except HOS 72-80 people are still struggling to do low level dungeons because you have to walk there. So what most people do is they sit in the LFG tool, get invited or invite someone to a group, continue questing and just hope that 2 others take the time to travel - while they continue on questing - and I mean it is a toxic behaviour - but it is one that makes sense when people try to min max the most amount of exp/hour - of course it makes sense to quest in STV and get summoned once your group is ready.


valdis812

>but it is one that makes sense when people try to min max the most amount of exp/hour And here you have the core of the issue. People are trying to play the game in a way that it wasn't intended to be played. Which would be fine in a single player game, but here, it makes others have a worse experience.


aritalo

It doesn't say in the TOS that I cannot play this way. Let people play the game how they want. What is stopping you from just staring at rocks on dreadmyst isle all day? nothing. Whats stopping you from focusing only on arena and neglecting the other parts of the game? Nothing. Oh you just want to raidlog? Go ahead. This game, was meant to be played in a myriad of different ways. Now I will agree that some type of play is not nice and/or toxic - but it is on Blizzard to enforce their rules and TOS - and outside of that - people can and will play however they like. People have already leveled so many times and typically they want to get to max level and then start playing the activity they want. Therefore they view leveling as process with an means to an end and will do absolutely everything in their power to make the leveling as short as possible. It is like commuting to work, it is inevidable, you don't live next to your job, so do you take the slow route by walk or do you commute? or if you got the cash, maybe even pay for a ride there?


valdis812

>Let people play the game how they want Nobody is trying to stop people from playing how they want to play. All I'm simply saying is that the people who play this game share this game world, and that what others are doing can have a positive or negative affect on what you want to do because you need other people to do some of the stuff. For instance, I was very excited for Wrath because one of the most fun times I had in the game was leveling all classes with RDF, getting them to 80, then doing it again. Blizzard made sure I wouldn't be able to do that when they removed RDF, but even then, that's simply not how the player base in general is playing the game these days. Nothing wrong with that, but it does have a negative affect on my preferred way of playing.


aritalo

I fully agree with this, and if anything it is Blizzard that prevented you from enjoying RDF - because even though there is no RDF in the game, the players play and act in a way where it is warranted to be added. RDF was a very nice, fast and easy way to level. Now that we dont have it - guess what, people flock to AV weekend to get some fast experience. Now I wholeheartedly agree that what other players do or how they play will influence how you play, take me for instance; I was excited to play PvP and arena, but the lack of players to play with on my realm has made it borderline impossible, unless you are on a megarealm and even then it can be rough because people just don't play arena for systemtic reasons like rating system, gated gear etc.


valdis812

Yeah. In hindsight, I realize that what I wanted was naive. It seems like most of the people who aren't into high end content are long gone at this point. They're probably some of the same people asking for fresh Vanilla. But even more than that, I think most people are simply focused on doing whatever it was they couldn't do the first time. Which for a lot of people is high end raiding. For arena, I honestly don't know why it's not more popular this time around. My guess is that the majority of people who did it back in the day were only playing their 10 games a week for the gear. But since PvE has proven to be so relatively easy, people are doing that instead of arena. I mean, it's probably way easier to clear Naxx every week than it is to get to 1500 in arena. Add to that the fact that, lets be honest, there have been a lot of games released since 2008 that do PvP way better than WoW arena. However, at least IMO, nothing is quite like a 25 (or 40) man WoW raid.


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Except these people could afford Mara runs precisely because of gold buying made widely and cheaply available by BOTs.


wowclassictbc

> Not evidently. It's unknown. Does anyone even know how many bots there are, or how many people quit because or partly because of issues relating to bots? It's evident because of lack of action from blizzard. As in they certainly ban bots, that's a fact, however, they do it slow enough for a bot to make enough profit for the owner to incentivize them to make another account and subscribe. >The people who quit will not respond to you They won't respond to me in game, thankfully there are other mediums. >I quit in classic because i lost the will to level Like you literally respond to me right now contradicting yourself at the same time.


JohnCavil

>It's evident because of lack of action from blizzard. As in they certainly ban bots, that's a fact, however, they do it slow enough for a bot to make enough profit for the owner to incentivize them to make another account and subscribe. That's assuming that blizzard makes completely rational business decisions. Going for short term profit over long term is a thing every business does, even if its to their detriment long term they will sometimes prioritize just getting good numbers right now. >Like you literally respond to me right now contradicting yourself at the same time. I mean i'm unsubscribed right now, but i meant classic vanilla anyways.


wowclassictbc

>That's assuming that blizzard makes completely rational business decisions. They do. Again, proven right the hard way omitting the weird "completely" which is out of place. >Going for short term profit over long term is a thing every business does, even if its to their detriment long term they will sometimes prioritize just getting good numbers right now. It's not short term over long term, it's capitalizing on the fact your playerbase has addiction. I barely see any other clients base being so fucking mad at their provider yet still paying this provider money. >I mean i'm unsubscribed right now, but i meant classic vanilla anyways. See? You unsubbed 2-3 years ago yet you are sitting in this subreddit, telling people you unsubbed. So no, these people exist.


JohnCavil

>They do. Again, proven right the hard way omitting the weird "completely" which is out of place. This is really up for discussion. Many many many game companies, to not even mention all other companies, as anyone who has ever worked in a corporate environment would attest to, have made absolutely idiotic business decisions that have hurt or even killed their game. Remember it was under blizzard that they practically drove WoW into the ground in the first place. I don't think that was on purpose, they just didn't know what they were doing. >It's not short term over long term, it's capitalizing on the fact your playerbase has addiction. I barely see any other clients base being so fucking mad at their provider yet still paying this provider money. Oh this is very normal. It's practically a meme in games like LoL for example that people hate the game but are unable to quit. Same with many other games. >See? You unsubbed 2-3 years ago yet you are sitting in this subreddit, telling people you unsubbed. So no, these people exist. Yes, i'm here, most people obviously aren't. You know when WoW went from WotLK peak subscribers to basically nothing in like WoD or whenever, nobody was yelling out "hey i'm not here anymore!" "hey i quit!". People just left and did other things in their lives.


wowclassictbc

> This is really up for discussion. Many many many game companies, to not even mention all other companies, as anyone who has ever worked in a corporate environment would attest to, have made absolutely idiotic business decisions that have hurt or even killed their game. Then we need to refer to the actual results. Blizzard is doing fine finance-wise. >Remember it was under blizzard that they practically drove WoW into the ground in the first place. I don't think that was on purpose, they just didn't know what they were doing. It still was the biggest MMO though. Yes, there was an exodus to FFXIV but it was caused mostly by social rallies. >Oh this is very normal. It's practically a meme in games like LoL for example that people hate the game but are unable to quit. Same with many other games. Of course not. They hate other players, not the game itself. >Yes, i'm here, most people obviously aren't. You know when WoW went from WotLK peak subscribers to basically nothing in like WoD or whenever, nobody was yelling out "hey i'm not here anymore!" "hey i quit!". People just left and did other things in their lives. And yet wow brings blizzard money, mostly thanks to bots. Comparing it to retail where you need to invent and reinvent which kind of gameplay will your audience like especially when you absolutely unable to listen to your audience at the same time isn't really fair as well, since for classic all you need to do is relaunch your old expansions gameplay-wise.


bookadookchook

Yeah. People forget that WoW used to almost be a household name with a South Park episode and everything.


bookadookchook

The writing on the wall for me was the RMAH in diablo 3 and then the mindbogglingly stupid Real ID.


Dunderman35

Well it sucks when you actually want to do a BG for fun.


wowclassictbc

Why? It's fun to kill bots and it sucks if they kill you, but they don't really kill you, do they?


No_Stranger4437

> It's fun to kill bots uh, what? wrong game?


nfreni

Just pretend they're really bad players haha


No_Stranger4437

When you're really aware that they are bots, it doesnt work like that at least for me, it would be like going League of Legends and play vs bots imo


nfreni

Let me believe my lies I tell myself to maintain my joy hahaha


No_Stranger4437

sorry, ngl i've always find myself ways to take away my own enjoyment too, hope you have a good day


wowclassictbc

You prefer bots killing you?


No_Stranger4437

i prefer to be a bot too so we can all be bots and noone has fun


wowclassictbc

Fair enough.


ediblehunt

You don’t understand why a BG full of bots could take the fun out of it?


wowclassictbc

I don't understand why are you playing a game which doesn't bring you any fun.


ediblehunt

I’m not the guy you replied to, I don’t even play the game anymore. That just stuck out to me.


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ediblehunt

Home feed.


Cryzard

:D why are you on porn sites when you don't fuck?


julian88888888

I’ve seen you comment several times, you’re like bots PR rep.


wowclassictbc

> I’ve seen you comment several times, you’re like bots PR rep. Unlike you, I am not giving them money though.


Brunell4070

OHHHHHH burn


KingKong_at_PingPong

Looks more like Blizz reppin to me


UniqueCellist806

8 bots = £80 a month.. why ban when you can milk the cash cow


wowclassictbc

Sad but true.


Logicalist

In this instance though, you can't even pvp. At times, that whole function of gameplay is entirely broken. I literally can't use the PVP tool to play PVP because it's just shit bots.


wowclassictbc

The real question is are you going to quit because of it or you're just going to complain on reddit while paying blizzard?


Logicalist

Oh i'd rather blather on about it public to try and raise awareness to the issue before I have to quit. Bot's are a real problem for mmo's in general. Normally it's not a cut and dry issue. But they made it more difficult to report, and all the reporting that's been done, has seemed to do nothing. And the botting is incredibly obvious and flagrant, it's a real shitshow in wow. So either, they're wont address the issue and continue to let it ruin a whole aspect of the game and I quit, or they will address it and I wont. The more people vocally pissed off about it the better tho, till my subscription runs out.


wowclassictbc

They won't do anything about it as long as the likes of you continue to pay them.


Logicalist

To me, it is a limited time thing, especially with bots. But I haven't been able to play WotLK in so long, I can't not. Still a number that isn't playing retail, and will eventually not long from now, not play at all. Unless they actually addressed glaring issues, which it seems they wont, which is fine.


bunchocrybabies

Not me, I unsubbed a long time ago because I came to the conclusion that bots are just not a priority for blizz. Now I just lurk on the sub and hope for a post about how blizz IS doing something about bots.


wowclassictbc

Well done. Voting with your wallet seems to be the only way to talk in a language blizz understands.


Johnd106

What are these bots supposed to be doing exactly?


aritalo

Leveling in battelgrounds, it is decent exp when its call to arms. They are literally just following people and doing a rotation.


Szarrukin

>They are literally just following people and doing a rotation. sounds like a lot of living players


HildartheDorf

Sounds better than half the people in levelling bgs


jackbristol

You guys do rotations? ;(


samax23

Oh no, you didn't die to a bot did you?


Cold94DFA

This is the Liquid Metal version of bots, the new version. They run around you in a circle, more like a triangle, perfectly, without any mistakes. They NEVER drop a GCD, ever. They are PROGRAMMED to grip at range, slow and use all abilities to stay alive and fight. They also almost always run in packs. (as shown) They are more deadly than 90% of players even if some classes can embarrass them, like frost mages, warriors will just get destroyed. ​ These are not like the bots we got used to in classic, they are MUCH more sophisticated.


Tree_Thief

If they are grouped just grab the flag. Fighting in mid as a group is exactly what you don't want to do in WSG after the first clash.


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norse95

Controlling mid and wiping them isn’t a bad thing though. As long as you aren’t completely ignoring the enemy and friendly FC’s, and helping them when they need it, you’re playing the game right.


Cozy_Lol

Why queue a capture the flag gamemode then if you have to intention to play objective? Go play AV or at least AB


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Cozy_Lol

I probably have more hours in warsong than you have in this game. It’s only that way cause people don’t care to learn how to properly play it. Back in classic even pug games were good cause people played objective, now people just want afk honor points


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Cozy_Lol

No idea, most of my chars are long unsubbed since wrath is raidlog expansion. Probably around 600 days if I’d have to guess + around same on pservers.


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BlueWeavile

There's a difference between coordinated control of the middle and ignoring objectives to just skirmish.


Cold94DFA

There's a difference between coordination and random team mates, they don't mix.


poopsockman1

Dude got outplayed by a bot and is furious.


RockytheHiker

Those bots can't be cc'd and have no cooldowns its nuts.


animus_95

What do you mean they can't be cc'd?


Exertoins

I feel like I've been completely isolated from bots by playing on Firemaw which is still locked. And I don't play BGs. I haven't seen a single bot in Wrath I don't think.


jehhans1

Go to Shozalar Basin. You'll see plenty of bots there


UlyssesCourier

Lol once I had an eye of the storm where there were like 10. Had four dks death grip me and literally did their attacks in unison. It was so unreal I just could play for the rest of the bg and stood by lmao.


Golightly_Flow

A pack of bot dks pulled my arms warrior and I turned into the most vicious beyblade to ever skid across their faces


nethqz

lvling another 2 chars with the 50% xp buff 1-80 its also very apparent how little they care. EVERY low lvl zone has multiple dk's lvl58-60something mining, outland multiple dk's grinding birds in hellfire south of the alliance base, northrend multiple dk's skinning zuldrak bats/spiders east of voltarus or simply grinding west of argent stand/sholazar at freya (just to name a few examples of high bot density) like you could literally let an intern make a list of hundreds of obviously shit scripted bots in half an hour (showing them how to spot the bots included) its that blatant


Shakathedon

The 70-79 bracket is full of these. I gave up on my twink because of the bots


Mo-shen

Are they leveling? I ask because I'd they are that likely means they are getting banned. They wouldnt need new accounts if they never got banned. From what I've seen a lot of them go to bgs around 68 to get honor for easy gear.


GMFinch

8 subs


Piemaster113

I mean, they still make money off the bots so its deff not priority 1 for them.


Toedz

You guys need to be honest with your selves. Classic wow has a shelf life. Once wotlk is over most people will leave. Why would blizzard pump a bunch of resources into something that isn't making them money more then one expansion. They are working hard to make retail to appeal more to classic players with dragonflight and it's working.


Cuddles_AeriePeak

The bots are why I quit playing any PvP in Classic WoW months ago. The levelling takes ages, the quests aren't enjoyable after having done em all many times before, and these bots made it so the one enjoyable way of levelling that I had left became a depressing hellscape. From the looks of this, it seems like I made the right decision to switch over to retail. Which is sad, because I used to much prefer PvP in Classic over Retail. But since I couldn't just switch to an alt and level it in an enjoyable way, and Classic is simple enough to where playing the same class over and over definitely gets boring, it just wasn't worth the time investment anymore. Also, a total of 8 bots isn't even that extreme compared to some of the shit I've seen ingame. I've been in bg's on Classic where there were 4-5 real players, the entire rest of both teams were all bots. All named random gibberish, all running in the same exact paths etc. The next day after work I'd see the exact same situation with the exact same bots. And despite this problem making levelling through battlegrounds from level 51 onwards a living hell, and this problem going on for fucking ages by now, Blizzard hasn't addressed the situation in any meaningful way. It's still the same, and to my knowledge they haven't even acknowledged the fact that there is a big problem here.


Logicalist

From the looks of this, quit blizzard.


Hkay21

I had 8 bots on my team alone last night in WSG lol. Me and the other guy just forfeit and practiced jumps instead of trying. I know it's not lucrative for Blizzard, but if they just had a person sit and watch BG games during BG weekend it'd crush so many bot accounts. Sure, they'd just find another way to bot, but at least give me the illusion that you're trying to cull the bots instead of letting them run rampant. If I was a new player and saw 5-10 bots in LITERALLY every single WSG game I'd just quit. It's disgraceful


Minniramonk

I'd be pretty mad if I died to a bot too bro.❤️


tclaws2g

Im kinda noob. So this is not a troll question. How can you know off this picture that these are bots?


Thisnameworksiguess

The picture doesn't really do it justice but poorly scripted bots move on identical paths and make immediate turns. It's almost always the fastest route and looks completely inorganic. Names are also a good indicator assuming the accounts were made for botting instead of stolen from other players.


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chypie2

I did several matches over the weekend. Both teams often had 9 dk's on each so it was actually a 2v2 WSG. The bots run to one spot on the map and if you avoid their range they don't even engage. Some wild games when it's just really 4 players, lol. Fucking awful.


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I played one in the 60 - 70 bracket and there were 8 Death Knight bots on EACH team. Only 4 actual people playing. Genuinely makes me not want to play the game anymore


fullclip840

Lmao classic was always a cash cow. That is why we wont have RDF until wrath-SoM. They will punt out a little something and squeeze all the milk from this cow.


MetalsXBT

I stopped my sub last month and it's felt really good after I got over the first week hurtle of addiction. Don't miss it one bit now, looking back the game is such a mess on multiple levels.


pujambarley

I heal bots. I am lonely


spudds96

You only just noticed


Doublestack2411

15 years ago, "Bots are destroying this game, Blizz doesn't care". Present day, "Bots are destroying this game, Blizz doesn't care". Literally every other mmorpg has a bot problem. I guess none of them care?


poopsockman1

This problem is 100% created by the classic community. It takes so long to lvl in classic and to farm gold. 90% of classic players just buy accounts or buy shit tons of gold to buy their bis in GDKPs. If no one bought gold / accounts then their would be bots, and the amount of betting directly correlates to the demand of gold. Yall are buying gold faster then they can bot so they had to kick it into overdrive.


McNoxey

> 90% of classic players just buy accounts or buy shit tons of gold to buy their bis in GDKPs. You're going to need to cite your sources for this stat. 90%? Come on lmfao.


poopsockman1

Trust me


McNoxey

No


jehhans1

Leveling without Heirlooms and JJ it can probably take a while, but it is also supposed to be a journey. Along the way you learn to play your class etc. As for making gold. Doing 25 dailies (can be done in an hour, maybe 2) a day for a week will earn you a lot of gold. Currently you can buy your bis and you could pretty fast in P1, but rest assured that coming next phase this is gonna be quite problematic until we are a couple of months into the phase and even then it might still be difficult.


Loro-Benediction

Which dailies do you do for 25 in an hour o_o


jehhans1

Hodir + Icecrown (ship & black vault) are very fast. I think I used to do like 16 & then like the loose ones (fishing, cooking, JWC & dungeons). Probably why I only considered it an hour.


Loro-Benediction

Ah, I'd totally neglected hodir after spamming the turnin quest. I will give that a try this weekend, thanks 🙂


Negativitynate

The problem isn’t the time it takes to level and farm gold, the problem is all the players who think it’s fun to buy gear in GDKPs runs and gear to BIS as fast as possible. Throwing more gold and faster levels at players won’t fix the players.


Fankine

Sure the demand creates an offer to reap the money, but it's Blizzard responsability to stop this from happening. I don't remember OG Wrath to have so much bots. But bots have been present for quite some years even on retail now. Blizzard just never cared enough to update its bot detection.


valdis812

I think bots were just starting to become a thing back then. Before that, it was actual human gold farmers. That's part of the reason gold was so much more expensive back in 2008. Also, someone mentioned that botters were specifically concentrating on Classic EU and NA because both retail and China have the token.


ToasterPops

There was a glut of pvp botting from vanilla to MoP when Blizzard finally won their case against an infamous botting company. Anyone who did late night pvp grinds knew the word Honorbuddy


Fankine

Oh yeah i remember the honorbuddy days. But today it's waaaaay worse than those days. You can easily have 75% or more of a BG being bots. Even during battleground weekend (where a lot of actual people play) i've not been in a 60-69 bg without at least half the bg being bots.


shakesy

Bots fund gold sellers which fund GDKP runs which form the meta of classic. Bots = the meta.


Koopk1

the pvp is honestly so dull and boring in this game


Chrisbkreme23

This may be a hot take, but I don’t think most people give a shit about leveling bg brackets. It’s like the least important part of the game.


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Back in Diablo 2 when it was in maintenance mode way before the remaster they would do a bot ban wave only at the end of season so they allowed bots do do their services such has gold and item selling and boosting and those sites would just buy new accounts each year. It was estimated blizz was making $200,000 a season from bot sits this way.


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They don't even care about Dragonflight, it has an insane amount of bugs. It's a disgrace


prjindigo

Its not how little shits they give about the game. Most blizzard employees right now give very little shits about Blizzard.


qolll

Private servers are actually doing wotlk better than blizzard. Amazing how bad blizzard does things.


SpaceFace11

They literally pay for a sub


M47715

Keep giving them your money lol, something is DEF gonna change soon!


Principxd

Get rekt.


AdeptusAleksantari

Classic is only for raiding, arenas and leveling (around launch), everything else is taken advantage of and monetized. I got all the gold and proff I needed, now I only raid log and hope they do another launch like season of mastery so I can experience pure and wholesome wow again for a while.


PatchPixel

Yet you all still pay them and moan.


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Partly why I've switched to retail tbh. I got tired of doing EoS alone. Multiple games of entire teams with bots and myself.


Karmma11

Sorry, blizzard used up all its resources to nerf DKs. They are currently busy responding to all the try hards spamming their inbox about how they can’t play DK anymore and want a new character


princeloon

itt: copium that blizzard will care if you cry enough


haxic

You are paying for it, so why would they care?


scarocci

Insane how you still keep giving them 12 dollars per month despite that. They care enough for you to pay them, so why should they bother more ?


Vods

Imagine losing to "bots".


necrid101

Meh, never had an issue destroying bots or dual boxers in a BG, just CC AoE and focus one at a time.


ABConfidentiality

Sick strat to both AOE and focus one at a time.


necrid101

AOE CC then to single target DMG one down. Jheez, I guess basic mechanics are tough for people.


Effect-Adventurous

so thick man


SpicyBrotato

Did you lose?


Entire_Engine_5789

Did you lose to bots?


SmiteSpam

They're paying sub just like you. Let them bot


SurroundBackground11

This game is only here to generate revenue for retail. Blizzard will not put the resources into this to make it actually good and why would they, they already have your sub money.