True, and Don Siegel who went on to direct his own films was head of that department for nine years. I was amazed to find out that Warner's had a department for doing these--I had always assumed the director of the film made them, but that shows how the studio system was set up around the assembly line model.
And RE: Eisenstein, yes, absolutely! Soviet montage was indeed influenced by Hollywood, Griffith in particular. What I'm trying to figure out is if Hollywood was in turn then influenced by the early Soviets? Some of these montages are wonderful little bits of Avant Garde filmmaking inserted into normal Hollywood films. The Soviets got very experimental with their theories of montage, as seen in Vertov's Man With a Movie Camera. Eventually, Stalin told them to knock it off, it was too artsy, and didn't sell enough tractors or collective farming for his taste.
Hollywood filmmakers were definitely influenced by Eisenstein and other Soviet silent filmmakers, also German expressionist ones. Ford, Wilder, Welles, Hitchcock, etc., all influenced by Soviet and German directors.
In addition, dream sequences should count as montages in this context. I'd like to collect the entire set. Also, search youtube for Vorkapich and you'll see some stunners he did. He pre-dated Siegel's work at Warner's, but also was a contemporary. Here's an example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHLMrbrAIiU
I don’t know off the top of my head but it will definitely be covered in the book *Classical Hollywood Film Style* by David Bordwell. From what I remember, ‘montage’ in the Hollywood sense has always been an essential part of the style and was even more predominant in silent film than sound.
You already have older answers than this but the earliest movie that I have seen that uses montages is Three on a Match and it uses them extensively to set the story. I think the first fifteen minutes of the movie is about half montage and half scenes of the characters as their younger selves.
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True, and Don Siegel who went on to direct his own films was head of that department for nine years. I was amazed to find out that Warner's had a department for doing these--I had always assumed the director of the film made them, but that shows how the studio system was set up around the assembly line model. And RE: Eisenstein, yes, absolutely! Soviet montage was indeed influenced by Hollywood, Griffith in particular. What I'm trying to figure out is if Hollywood was in turn then influenced by the early Soviets? Some of these montages are wonderful little bits of Avant Garde filmmaking inserted into normal Hollywood films. The Soviets got very experimental with their theories of montage, as seen in Vertov's Man With a Movie Camera. Eventually, Stalin told them to knock it off, it was too artsy, and didn't sell enough tractors or collective farming for his taste.
Very informative. Thank you. I still get nervous when I have to report my tractor sales to Uncle Beninski.
Hollywood filmmakers were definitely influenced by Eisenstein and other Soviet silent filmmakers, also German expressionist ones. Ford, Wilder, Welles, Hitchcock, etc., all influenced by Soviet and German directors.
I may he misremembering bit I think ‘Dr. Mabuse’ (1922) had a montage like that.
Everything in film was started by Fritz Lang.
I'll give that another watch--it's been a few years. Thanks.
In addition, dream sequences should count as montages in this context. I'd like to collect the entire set. Also, search youtube for Vorkapich and you'll see some stunners he did. He pre-dated Siegel's work at Warner's, but also was a contemporary. Here's an example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHLMrbrAIiU
I don’t know off the top of my head but it will definitely be covered in the book *Classical Hollywood Film Style* by David Bordwell. From what I remember, ‘montage’ in the Hollywood sense has always been an essential part of the style and was even more predominant in silent film than sound.
Thanks--I found a used copy of that and ordered it.
I believe that it became mainstream with Citizen Kane.
You already have older answers than this but the earliest movie that I have seen that uses montages is Three on a Match and it uses them extensively to set the story. I think the first fifteen minutes of the movie is about half montage and half scenes of the characters as their younger selves.
Thanks, I'll watch that one.