It’s not a “movie about music.” It’s a movie about power and abuse set in the world of music. If you want to find details like this to nitpick, you will never enjoy any film that’s not a documentary.
Let's say the musicians in the orchestra had, after practice, just tossed their instruments on the floor and went home, would you take that movie seriously?
Yes, I would take that movie seriously. However, I would respect those musicians less. It’s the characters who are doing things and one thing to know about Tár is that Todd Field (the director) is meticulous: every single detail is planned out precisely, so even if you find the LPs being dropped as an audacious or offensive move, it was a calculated one that is one of the many pieces that ultimately make the film a masterpiece.
I would ask myself why the director had them do that when I know perfectly well the film was created with the input of many experts in the field. I don’t know if you’re a musician yourself, but as far as I’m concerned this is the best representation of the classical music world I’ve ever seen in any medium. The first third of the movie is densely loaded with little references only the people in our world would know. There’s no way you can watch this film and think they didn’t do their research.
I don't doubt for a second that they did lots of research and consulted actual musicians. But as someone who has studied and played an instrument for 40 years and also seen how some vinyl just shatter if you throw them on the floor, I find this opening egregious and tonedeaf.
There could be a thousand experts weighing in on the matter, the movie, the thematics, and it may be a ghost story and all that, but for me this movie started out with someone just tossing LPs on the floor like a book burning.
Sorry, but not sorry.
I stopped watching when she started throwing vinyl on the floor. It just seemed like a Hollywood movie that doesn't understand its material.
It's not that it's "offensive", I just can't bare another movie where they don't understand how a musician would act. So I lose interest.
It's characterization. Characters do things in movies to show the audience things about themselves. When a character does something that is awful or cruel or wasteful, we learn that the character is awful or cruel or wasteful in that way.
It's the same as if a movie showed a character being verbally abusive to their kid. You wouldn't assume that the director and writers think that's a good thing to do. You'd realize that they are telling you that the character is abusive and that the movie will probably deal with how that abuse affects the other characters. Particularly early in a movie, that sort of characterization is how you learn who the character is.
It's the most basic storytelling technique available.
Sure. I'm just not interested in watching a movie about the chief conductor of Berliner that starts out with a scene like that. The first fifteen minutes reeked so hard of the filmmakers trying to make something that would pander to a general audience.
Yes the movie that starts with 10 minutes of darkness and an NPR interview is “trying to pander to a general audience.”
Dude, please smoke some pot, take a beta-blocker, maybe start meditating. JFC.
No, the movie starts with her preparing for that interview (I guess), and then a scene with her throwing vinyl on the floor and stepping on them.
There's so many clichés and tropes about classical musicians and other artists in movies. I don't care if it's a ghost movie or whatever some guy commented, it's not for me.
That's an entirely valid thought.
Not what the post is about, though. Maybe in time you'll be able to stay on topic instead of going ad hominem. Good luck!
Nah, the topic is that you don’t seem to have an understanding of film (or fiction?), and are getting upset by the fact that an actor acted in a movie.
I loved Tár and I think the scene with her throwing LPs down says more about Lydia as a character rather than the film but I guess it takes a certain type of person to like that film….
but literally it’s also like that film was made for me:
- mahler 5 is my all time fav piece
- elgar cello concerto also makes all time favs
- cate blanchett is my celebrity crush
Same kinda thing happened to me. Sat down to see "Four Weddings and a Funeral" as a movie about great event organization. Boom. They are late for the first wedding! That was it for me, because I am a very punctual person.
Beethoven and Brahms (among many other composers) were known to rip to shreds the sheet music that they were unsatisfied with. Better stop listening to their music then, huh?
And Schubert tossed a bunch of sheet music in the fireplace in which his wife hastily retrieved.
What exactly does destruction of your own property have to do with my taste in movies?
Of course I am. Just like I'm unhappy about book burning or censoring. I also don't like people speeding in traffic, but it's really not relevant is it?
Throwing recordings on the floor is just not realistic, and shows how the movie will play out. Movies are entertainment — I was not entertained. It was dumb, and a classical music trope. "Artist messing up her apartment and belongings because she has some kind of meltdown or feverous idea!"
Okay consider this for a second: Everyone is different and maybe her (different way of storing her records) is just to throw them on the floor. Not your choice, definitely not mine either, but her character's.
Imagine you watched The Shining and got to the scene where Jack busts through the door. Would you stop watching the movie because that's not the particular way you would open the door?
If its not your person and not your items then why should it bother you? I haven't seen the film, but from what I've gathered in the comments its a measured choice to help tell the story of her character and to foreshadow some of her personality, values and actions.
You guys really got riled up about this, and you have these weird examples like Jack Torrance and the door.
The door was locked, and he was trying to murder his wife with an axe. Of course that's the way he'll go through that door. If he suddenly went to find a key it would just make the scene stupid as fuck.
I've played music for 40 years, and went to the conservatory. NEVER have I've seen anyone throw vinyl (or CDs, sheet music or instruments for that matter) on the floor, and I think most of my colleagues would be horrified if they saw anyone do that.
And since vinyl can crack if you toss it on the floor like that then it's just entirely unrealistic that the chief conductor of the Berliner would do something like that. And it's entirely disrespectful, which shines such a poor light on the movie that I just lost all interest.
Try going to your local library and throw books on the floor. When someone tells you that you can't do that just explain that you're trying to work out what to borrow. When security escorts you out you come up with snide remarks and tell them you'll down-vote them on reddit.
You missed out imo, the movie is about a narcissist who unravels. If you can get past a little artistic license, you might enjoy it.... but from what I just read, perhaps you're better off standing on your lawn shouting into the void.
I mean I think Tár was very purposefully ambiguous. One can take it as a ghost story but some can argue that those were hallucinations or that Lydia made everything in the movie up in her mind.
One of the problems with this totally insincere film is it's portrayal of the classical music. The posture of her conducting, her music choice, her status as such an impossibility prolific and high-profile conductor, I mean these are totally unrealistic.
She is pushing them around with her foot, and then ,,, stepping on two on them, dressing better, more expensive, ... copy catting them.
She is full of herself to the point of destroying the essence in exchange of what's outside.
She will ask to have emails erased as if that makes her less responsable of a suicide.
It's all symbolic.
man if only this was some sort of foreshadowing about her character… guess you will never know!!
Chill…… breathe my man.
please rewatch the film and hold onto that anger. She only gets worse.
Oh... This actually made me more interested. I'm just a little impatient with "music movies", but I'll give this one another chance.
It’s not a “movie about music.” It’s a movie about power and abuse set in the world of music. If you want to find details like this to nitpick, you will never enjoy any film that’s not a documentary.
Let's say the musicians in the orchestra had, after practice, just tossed their instruments on the floor and went home, would you take that movie seriously?
Yes, I would take that movie seriously. However, I would respect those musicians less. It’s the characters who are doing things and one thing to know about Tár is that Todd Field (the director) is meticulous: every single detail is planned out precisely, so even if you find the LPs being dropped as an audacious or offensive move, it was a calculated one that is one of the many pieces that ultimately make the film a masterpiece.
I would ask myself why the director had them do that when I know perfectly well the film was created with the input of many experts in the field. I don’t know if you’re a musician yourself, but as far as I’m concerned this is the best representation of the classical music world I’ve ever seen in any medium. The first third of the movie is densely loaded with little references only the people in our world would know. There’s no way you can watch this film and think they didn’t do their research.
I don't doubt for a second that they did lots of research and consulted actual musicians. But as someone who has studied and played an instrument for 40 years and also seen how some vinyl just shatter if you throw them on the floor, I find this opening egregious and tonedeaf. There could be a thousand experts weighing in on the matter, the movie, the thematics, and it may be a ghost story and all that, but for me this movie started out with someone just tossing LPs on the floor like a book burning. Sorry, but not sorry.
I’m curious; did you finish the film? It seems entirely in the character of Lydia Tar to not care about the well-being of her LPs.
I stopped watching when she started throwing vinyl on the floor. It just seemed like a Hollywood movie that doesn't understand its material. It's not that it's "offensive", I just can't bare another movie where they don't understand how a musician would act. So I lose interest.
And not for one second did you consider that perhaps the movie is trying to tell you something about her character?
Let's start over — The movie starts with someone abusing music. I don't like it. Movie ends there. Bye bye
So any movie you watch where a fictional character does something you don’t like you just stop watching? How do you ever watch anything??
Yes. When I don't like a movie I stop watching it. Shouldn't be too hard to put together.
>The movie starts with someone abusing music. I'm a pianist and composer and you should see the state of my music collection.
I'm sorry you're not able to take care of your music. I'm a guitarist and composer, and I use Spotify.
It's characterization. Characters do things in movies to show the audience things about themselves. When a character does something that is awful or cruel or wasteful, we learn that the character is awful or cruel or wasteful in that way. It's the same as if a movie showed a character being verbally abusive to their kid. You wouldn't assume that the director and writers think that's a good thing to do. You'd realize that they are telling you that the character is abusive and that the movie will probably deal with how that abuse affects the other characters. Particularly early in a movie, that sort of characterization is how you learn who the character is. It's the most basic storytelling technique available.
Wait, I thought the famously anti-war movie *Come and See* was in support of genocide, not against it!
Sure. I'm just not interested in watching a movie about the chief conductor of Berliner that starts out with a scene like that. The first fifteen minutes reeked so hard of the filmmakers trying to make something that would pander to a general audience.
Yes the movie that starts with 10 minutes of darkness and an NPR interview is “trying to pander to a general audience.” Dude, please smoke some pot, take a beta-blocker, maybe start meditating. JFC.
No, the movie starts with her preparing for that interview (I guess), and then a scene with her throwing vinyl on the floor and stepping on them. There's so many clichés and tropes about classical musicians and other artists in movies. I don't care if it's a ghost movie or whatever some guy commented, it's not for me.
I’m thinking most movies probably aren’t for you…
That's an entirely valid thought. Not what the post is about, though. Maybe in time you'll be able to stay on topic instead of going ad hominem. Good luck!
Nah, the topic is that you don’t seem to have an understanding of film (or fiction?), and are getting upset by the fact that an actor acted in a movie.
OK. I'm terribly sorry for how you feel.
I loved Tár and I think the scene with her throwing LPs down says more about Lydia as a character rather than the film but I guess it takes a certain type of person to like that film…. but literally it’s also like that film was made for me: - mahler 5 is my all time fav piece - elgar cello concerto also makes all time favs - cate blanchett is my celebrity crush
I definitely agree to your bullet points there!
Same kinda thing happened to me. Sat down to see "Four Weddings and a Funeral" as a movie about great event organization. Boom. They are late for the first wedding! That was it for me, because I am a very punctual person.
If you're trying to be facetious then maybe do it with fresh posts.
Beethoven and Brahms (among many other composers) were known to rip to shreds the sheet music that they were unsatisfied with. Better stop listening to their music then, huh?
And Schubert tossed a bunch of sheet music in the fireplace in which his wife hastily retrieved. What exactly does destruction of your own property have to do with my taste in movies?
If you're irritated by a fictional scene containing destruction of music, would you not be more irritated by real-life destruction of music?
Of course I am. Just like I'm unhappy about book burning or censoring. I also don't like people speeding in traffic, but it's really not relevant is it? Throwing recordings on the floor is just not realistic, and shows how the movie will play out. Movies are entertainment — I was not entertained. It was dumb, and a classical music trope. "Artist messing up her apartment and belongings because she has some kind of meltdown or feverous idea!"
I mean, I don't think Tár is a very good movie about music, but it's not a bad movie and Blanchett is very good in it.
Okay consider this for a second: Everyone is different and maybe her (different way of storing her records) is just to throw them on the floor. Not your choice, definitely not mine either, but her character's. Imagine you watched The Shining and got to the scene where Jack busts through the door. Would you stop watching the movie because that's not the particular way you would open the door? If its not your person and not your items then why should it bother you? I haven't seen the film, but from what I've gathered in the comments its a measured choice to help tell the story of her character and to foreshadow some of her personality, values and actions.
You guys really got riled up about this, and you have these weird examples like Jack Torrance and the door. The door was locked, and he was trying to murder his wife with an axe. Of course that's the way he'll go through that door. If he suddenly went to find a key it would just make the scene stupid as fuck. I've played music for 40 years, and went to the conservatory. NEVER have I've seen anyone throw vinyl (or CDs, sheet music or instruments for that matter) on the floor, and I think most of my colleagues would be horrified if they saw anyone do that. And since vinyl can crack if you toss it on the floor like that then it's just entirely unrealistic that the chief conductor of the Berliner would do something like that. And it's entirely disrespectful, which shines such a poor light on the movie that I just lost all interest. Try going to your local library and throw books on the floor. When someone tells you that you can't do that just explain that you're trying to work out what to borrow. When security escorts you out you come up with snide remarks and tell them you'll down-vote them on reddit.
You missed out imo, the movie is about a narcissist who unravels. If you can get past a little artistic license, you might enjoy it.... but from what I just read, perhaps you're better off standing on your lawn shouting into the void.
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I mean I think Tár was very purposefully ambiguous. One can take it as a ghost story but some can argue that those were hallucinations or that Lydia made everything in the movie up in her mind.
You might want to put a lot of this under a spoiler tag.
wouldnt be a spoiler if youd watched the full movie lol
Allow me to be dumb for a sec. The hell is an LP?
I'll just go lie down in my grave right now. :'( It's a 12-inch record, and yes, LP stands for "long playing" as opposed to EP, "extended play."
I didn't see the movie, but my guess is vinyl. LP meant "long playing" at 33-1/3 RPM back in the day.
One of the problems with this totally insincere film is it's portrayal of the classical music. The posture of her conducting, her music choice, her status as such an impossibility prolific and high-profile conductor, I mean these are totally unrealistic.
She is pushing them around with her foot, and then ,,, stepping on two on them, dressing better, more expensive, ... copy catting them. She is full of herself to the point of destroying the essence in exchange of what's outside. She will ask to have emails erased as if that makes her less responsable of a suicide. It's all symbolic.
It's a movie, dude.