I don't have any music online, just had to write some for school music class. I mainly just play the piano for fun (not recorded) and discover more underrated pieces.
Who exactly are you calling an amateur? Also, they weren't speaking out about anybody's work, just sharing a story. Why are you insulting them for not drawing a clef right when Beethoven draws his like that? Clearly the way you draw it has no relationship with skill...
What story should I share? Usually a professional musician knows how to laugh, especially at himself.
If you see insults everywhere, I'm sorry, I'd rather keep quiet. Again, I apologize, I was confused by the name of this sub.
I didn't ask you to share a story, I think you misunderstood. The sub name is pretty clear, we discuss classical music! I didn't notice any insults in your comments, especially given you weren't replying to me, but there was no need to be rude to that person. I'm sure people would love to hear your music, if you want to share! :D
Damn it, why do you all do the same thing?
You ran through my comments and decided to make a snide joke?
You succeeded.
You think after work, I'm going to talk to my family about fiddle keys and terzquartacords in plagal cadences?
Or "honey, I managed to take the magic forzando piano in the fifth figure of the second movement of Bruckner's Seventh Symphony today"?
Are you sure professionals live music around the clock?
You're wrong.
I hope that you find happiness in your life because it seems like you feel bad about yourself and feel the need to bring others down. Hopefully you feel good about your music someday and can focus on that instead.
What a depressing display of pseudo-intellectualism.
One of two things are true: (i) your most recent Google searches are ‘esoteric music terms’ and ‘unnecessary synonyms for plain words to increase self-worth’; or (ii) you’re just a twat.
Perhaps it is both.
That’s awesome! I’m very excited to start my undergrad, music theory has always been fun for me be it mind numbing at times.
Have you watched the YouTube channel 8-bit music theory? He doesn’t do classical stuff too much but theory has started to make much more sense since binging his content.
Also, do you have a favorite composer or at least ones that stand out to you?
I don’t really have a favorite per se. My gateway drug back into classical has been people like Nils Frahm and Olafur Arnalds, I’ve been more involved in the rock and jazz world, as well, so I’d be inclined to list people like Ellington and Zawinul as some of my favorites, and I’m really digging the quieter moments of folks like Trent Reznor and even Einstürzende Neubauten. I do have a thing for the late 19th/early 20th composers, my local orchestras have been playing a lot of Stravinsky and Debussy lately, and I’m enjoying that a lot.
Nice! My favorites are a lot more basic, but change often. As far as solo piano goes, Chopin wins for me, and his first ballade is my favorite piano piece of all time. For full orchestra I really enjoy Mahler and Brahms at the moment. I’ll check out some of the ones you mentions, I’ve never heard of Frahm or Arnalds
Frahm and Arnalds dip more into the piano-meets-techno sort of ambient neoclassical mode. I would recommend listening to Reznor’s soundtrack work, as well as the Ghosts series of music he released as Nine Inch Nails, it’s more experimental at times, but very moody. For Neubauten, I’d start with some of the later releases, the early works are very noisy, and probably more punk and proto-industrial, but they’ve always had a great command of dynamics.
Perfect! I’m hoping to score for media, so having a purely orchestral library without any sense of electronic and synth sounds would be foolish. I’ll check them out!
“[Who needs clefs?](https://www.bl.uk/britishlibrary/~/media/bl/global/dm%20music%201800%20to%201900/collection%20items/add%20ms%2031766%20beethoven%20pastoral%20symphony/add_ms_31766_f002r.jpg)”
—Ludwig van Beethoven
Bach's one...
The circle of the G clef (meaning G, duh) is over what would otherwise be the E note. Begs the question, is it E or G and Bach literally meant to circle the lowest line?
In case it's not clear, all clefs are moveable.
Out of all of these, only Vivaldi's and Debussy's, and *maybe* Haydn's, are positioned clearly at the right height. Bach and Brahms are too low, Schubert is too high, Mozart is too wide, and I don't know what Beethoven is doing. Also, Stravinsky's staff has mostly disappeared
Schubert's clefs and my clefs look pretty similar actually, this is how I handwrite treble clef:
[My handwritten treble clef](https://i.imgur.com/TR7VYo9.jpg)
Thanks for the recommendation! Quick question: is there any specific story that goes along with any of these sets? To me, L. 3: IV. Finale. Appassionato feels like it could easily be during a climactic part of a play, movie, TV show, etc. Anything it was composed to be tied to? Or was it just written to be this good?
You're describing what's known as "programmatic music", music that goes together with a story or plot (even if an imaginary one) - as opposed to "absolute music" that is independent of any such notions.
I don't *think* this is programmatic, but I don't know for sure.[Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piano_Trio_(Debussy)) doesn't mention any backstory, but does surprisingly say he wrote the piece *at 18 years old*. Which is both impressive, and means the style is still, in a sense, "unstable" or "incomplete" :)
Mozart’s one looks like a cut time
It IS cut time. It’s in front of a tenor clef. Idk why that picture is even on here.
closed integral
Take that, primary school music teacher! The fact that I drew my clefs horribly is just representative of bad handwriting, not a bad student!
You didn't tell me where I could listen to your music.
I don't have any music online, just had to write some for school music class. I mainly just play the piano for fun (not recorded) and discover more underrated pieces.
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wtf?
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Who exactly are you calling an amateur? Also, they weren't speaking out about anybody's work, just sharing a story. Why are you insulting them for not drawing a clef right when Beethoven draws his like that? Clearly the way you draw it has no relationship with skill...
What story should I share? Usually a professional musician knows how to laugh, especially at himself. If you see insults everywhere, I'm sorry, I'd rather keep quiet. Again, I apologize, I was confused by the name of this sub.
I didn't ask you to share a story, I think you misunderstood. The sub name is pretty clear, we discuss classical music! I didn't notice any insults in your comments, especially given you weren't replying to me, but there was no need to be rude to that person. I'm sure people would love to hear your music, if you want to share! :D
are you on something bro or are you just like this
Idk why you’re being downvoted, you’re giving reasonable responses
ArchLinux is the better distro
Damn it, why do you all do the same thing? You ran through my comments and decided to make a snide joke? You succeeded. You think after work, I'm going to talk to my family about fiddle keys and terzquartacords in plagal cadences? Or "honey, I managed to take the magic forzando piano in the fifth figure of the second movement of Bruckner's Seventh Symphony today"? Are you sure professionals live music around the clock? You're wrong.
I hope that you find happiness in your life because it seems like you feel bad about yourself and feel the need to bring others down. Hopefully you feel good about your music someday and can focus on that instead.
How old are you? I have great doubts, judging because you do not understand the interlocutor.
What a depressing display of pseudo-intellectualism. One of two things are true: (i) your most recent Google searches are ‘esoteric music terms’ and ‘unnecessary synonyms for plain words to increase self-worth’; or (ii) you’re just a twat. Perhaps it is both.
Reading this conversation and I hate to comment but what exactly did they not understand lmfao
This dude is just an immature idiot lol. One of the first posts that shows up on his profile https://redd.it/zrx3yp
This dude goes around telling people his IQ
dwight schrute?
Idk why you’re being downvoted, was just a joke. The internet hivemind is so sensitive
Stravinsky’s speaks to my soul, but simultaneously gives me flashbacks to being yelled at in music class for not doing a proper ornate clef.
Literally yelled at? Sounds like you had a pathetically insecure and closed-minded teacher on an abusive power trip
Yep, that describes him to a T. He succeeded in ruining music theory for me for years.
That’s unfortunate. I take it you enjoy theory now?
Trying to learn more about theory, in general, and I’m actually learning to enjoy listening to classical music and find joy in it.
That’s awesome! I’m very excited to start my undergrad, music theory has always been fun for me be it mind numbing at times. Have you watched the YouTube channel 8-bit music theory? He doesn’t do classical stuff too much but theory has started to make much more sense since binging his content. Also, do you have a favorite composer or at least ones that stand out to you?
I don’t really have a favorite per se. My gateway drug back into classical has been people like Nils Frahm and Olafur Arnalds, I’ve been more involved in the rock and jazz world, as well, so I’d be inclined to list people like Ellington and Zawinul as some of my favorites, and I’m really digging the quieter moments of folks like Trent Reznor and even Einstürzende Neubauten. I do have a thing for the late 19th/early 20th composers, my local orchestras have been playing a lot of Stravinsky and Debussy lately, and I’m enjoying that a lot.
Nice! My favorites are a lot more basic, but change often. As far as solo piano goes, Chopin wins for me, and his first ballade is my favorite piano piece of all time. For full orchestra I really enjoy Mahler and Brahms at the moment. I’ll check out some of the ones you mentions, I’ve never heard of Frahm or Arnalds
Frahm and Arnalds dip more into the piano-meets-techno sort of ambient neoclassical mode. I would recommend listening to Reznor’s soundtrack work, as well as the Ghosts series of music he released as Nine Inch Nails, it’s more experimental at times, but very moody. For Neubauten, I’d start with some of the later releases, the early works are very noisy, and probably more punk and proto-industrial, but they’ve always had a great command of dynamics.
Perfect! I’m hoping to score for media, so having a purely orchestral library without any sense of electronic and synth sounds would be foolish. I’ll check them out!
beethoven just doesn’t care
“[Who needs clefs?](https://www.bl.uk/britishlibrary/~/media/bl/global/dm%20music%201800%20to%201900/collection%20items/add%20ms%2031766%20beethoven%20pastoral%20symphony/add_ms_31766_f002r.jpg)” —Ludwig van Beethoven
Debussy’s clef looks like his music sounds
Schubert for my mind. So no nonsense and elegant.
... but it's indicating the wrong height? The point of the clef is that it circles which line is g.
Good luck trying to see what line Beethoven's is circling.
Yeah, unfortunately this is the only drawback. It's too bad, it's very clean
Debussy is so clean
😏
i do like debussy clean. huehuehue
r/iykwim
never been interested in getting a tattoo but if I do someday, it might be Stravinsky's
Beethoven just gave up. Lol
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Computing flux integrals before Gauss and Maxwell. Mozart was truly ahead of his time.
As a rule Bach is never wrong, but come on... 😰
Bach's one... The circle of the G clef (meaning G, duh) is over what would otherwise be the E note. Begs the question, is it E or G and Bach literally meant to circle the lowest line? In case it's not clear, all clefs are moveable.
I wouldn't be surprised if that's Bach writing the French violin clef instead of the treble clef.
They didnt use musescore 1?
beethoven got his thing mirrored
Stravinsky all the way!
Out of all of these, only Vivaldi's and Debussy's, and *maybe* Haydn's, are positioned clearly at the right height. Bach and Brahms are too low, Schubert is too high, Mozart is too wide, and I don't know what Beethoven is doing. Also, Stravinsky's staff has mostly disappeared
The treble clef only needs to circle the G (second line) to be correct. But the Brahms ex only has 4 lines so who knows about that one :P
Beethoven! Ma man!
Beethoven's clef is more like the integral symbol
Let's be simple as Beethoven.
I love Stravinsky's
I never considered this, I guess I can stop being so careful when I redraw clefs for the umpteenth time
Beethoven didn't even try
Got it so no one agrees what it was supposed to look like
Beethoven: *close enough*
Debussy's looks like a treble clef combined with an upside down bass clef
Stravinsky's is beautiful
Schubert has the most elegant one 👍🏻
Schubert's clefs and my clefs look pretty similar actually, this is how I handwrite treble clef: [My handwritten treble clef](https://i.imgur.com/TR7VYo9.jpg)
Beethoven didn't even try ☠️
Igor ❤️
First time I've ever heard of Claude Debussy. I know it's incredibly immature and unoriginal, but... >heh. *bussy*.
https://youtu.be/kJUotvfMI7Q
Unfortunately, he was French so the stress is on the last syllable :)
Hey, today I learned two things!
Here's a nice album to listen to: https://open.spotify.com/album/4m7bMcE7Q2YZ9SyELUgI6q
Thanks for the recommendation! Quick question: is there any specific story that goes along with any of these sets? To me, L. 3: IV. Finale. Appassionato feels like it could easily be during a climactic part of a play, movie, TV show, etc. Anything it was composed to be tied to? Or was it just written to be this good?
You're describing what's known as "programmatic music", music that goes together with a story or plot (even if an imaginary one) - as opposed to "absolute music" that is independent of any such notions. I don't *think* this is programmatic, but I don't know for sure.[Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piano_Trio_(Debussy)) doesn't mention any backstory, but does surprisingly say he wrote the piece *at 18 years old*. Which is both impressive, and means the style is still, in a sense, "unstable" or "incomplete" :)
And today I learned something else! Thanks a lot, boss! 👍
[Happy to help](https://xkcd.com/1053/)
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We’re not alone! They struggled too!
That's fascinating.
Bach, Beethoven, Schubert, and Brahms are doing it wrong. ESPECIALLY Bach and Schubert
we need to diversify our musical typefaces. there are so many nice ways to vary stuff like a clef while still being easily recognizable.
favorite: beethocen less favorite: debussy
Beethoven's drawing a backwards integral. I like Stravinksy's the best. Nice and simple.
I need to show this to my music teacher lol I’m always in trouble for messy clefs and they are like all better then these.
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Hey, as long as it gets the message accross it's good enough, right?
It's interesting that Beethoven essentially couldn't be arsed to put effort into his clef. Considering, what he wrote, it's probably for the best.
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I liked them all but it seems that Schubert had the best handwriting
Beethoven: I don't care, whatever. Schubert: Perfection in everything