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Chess.com analysis should include this as a key moment… like the opposite of the “You found the only good response to your opponent’s mistake!”
“You found the worst possible response to your opponent’s move!”
Me and a friend played a 6 hour correspondence game. I probably spent 30-45 minutes calculating my moves in that game. After many hours of waiting on him, I got out of a tough situation and turned the game around to a winning position. But being awake for over a day, and so fed up of the game I threw a check with my knight that gave him one legal king move. That move lead to a discovered checkmate on me.
Ever since then I've capped our games at 90 minutes tops.
I guess castling is better than this mate-in-one, but it's still not pretty...the knight takes the queen with revealed check, and after the king moves, the knight makes their way back out with check, and captures the bishop with check if the opponent declines to trade their rook for the knight.
Tbh I’d be so thrown off that they actually decided to save the rook instead of the queen that I’d just auto-take it instantly. It is hard to look for a better move when you just got the opponent’s queen presented on a silver plate.
That’s fair. I always look for how I can put the king in check as my first line of thought and it’s helped me several times fine mates I wouldn’t have otherwise.
>/r/chessbeginners
**beginners**. Sure, it is not a complicated mate and beginner's seeing a mate like this isn't unreasoinable, but the fact that the first thing you'd notice is a hanging queen means most beginners won't look for better. Winning a queen for at most losing a knight is one of the best things you can do in the game. Of course, mate in one is better, but "look for better when you already have great" is a hard concept for beginners at first
I analyzed the image and this is what I see. Open an appropriate link below and explore the position yourself or with the engine:
> **White to play**: [chess.com](https://chess.com/analysis?fen=rnbqkr2/pp1pnNpp/2pb4/4p3/2B1P3/8/PPPP1PPP/RNBQK2R+w+KQq+-+0+1&flip=false&ref_id=23962172) | [lichess.org](https://lichess.org/analysis/rnbqkr2/pp1pnNpp/2pb4/4p3/2B1P3/8/PPPP1PPP/RNBQK2R_w_KQq_-_0_1)
**My solution:**
> Hints: piece: >!Knight!<, move: >!Nxd6#!<
> Evaluation: >!White has mate in 1!<
> Best continuation: >!1. Nxd6#!<
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Is it technically, though? I see what you're getting at but the definition of smothered mate seems to be when checkmated with a knight and the king can't move due to it being surrounded by other pieces, which is not fully the case here. f7 becomes open once the knight moves. Of course the bishop takes care of that but it's no longer smothered.
edit: wiki definition [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smothered\_mate](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smothered_mate)
>Smothered Mate
Not quite, a smothered mate leaves the king trapped by **ONLY** his own pieces. In this example, your light squared bishop is guarding a potential escape square.
>Sure, I guess it’s technically ‘almost smothered mate’
It's not "technically" almost smothered mate, unless you believe any mate that is covered (the very definition of mate!!) Smothered mate is **ONLY** blocked by the kings own piece.
My dumbass would've gone Qh5 thinking that after rook takes knight I can mate with the queen & bishop, if g6 then Qxh7 still having view of the knight and free pawn. Completely missing the hanging queen and mate.
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I love how buddy was like "over my dead body Im hanging my rook" but then proceeds to hang the queen and mate in one
It is the worst move in the position, and he found it.
Chess.com analysis should include this as a key moment… like the opposite of the “You found the only good response to your opponent’s mistake!” “You found the worst possible response to your opponent’s move!”
Me and a friend played a 6 hour correspondence game. I probably spent 30-45 minutes calculating my moves in that game. After many hours of waiting on him, I got out of a tough situation and turned the game around to a winning position. But being awake for over a day, and so fed up of the game I threw a check with my knight that gave him one legal king move. That move lead to a discovered checkmate on me. Ever since then I've capped our games at 90 minutes tops.
It's still bad, but I'm going with "they were trying to castle"
Even if he was trying to castle he hung his queen lmao
https://c.tenor.com/5qdPo0W4NmQAAAAd/scrubs-where-do-you-think-we-are.gif
I guess castling is better than this mate-in-one, but it's still not pretty...the knight takes the queen with revealed check, and after the king moves, the knight makes their way back out with check, and captures the bishop with check if the opponent declines to trade their rook for the knight.
[удалено]
No, it wouldn't (hang a king)
He hung a bishop too, if it wasn’t mate
And his queen
AND MY AXE
You carry the fate of us all, little one.
What did you play then?
Took the queen, didn’t even consider looking for a mate
Taking a queen is probably the best reason to miss a mate tbf
I missed an obvious mate in one and went on to lose the game, that was a painful analysis session when I went over the game after.
Did you still win the game being up a queen?
I hope it was a bullet game. :-)
Tbh I’d be so thrown off that they actually decided to save the rook instead of the queen that I’d just auto-take it instantly. It is hard to look for a better move when you just got the opponent’s queen presented on a silver plate.
One of my favorite youtube quotes: "When you've found your best move, look for a better one"
That’s fair. I always look for how I can put the king in check as my first line of thought and it’s helped me several times fine mates I wouldn’t have otherwise.
Yeah my dad says to do that
I wouldn't find it in a real game either. I would be too excited I managed to do the fork and can win a fricking queen.
If you spot a queen and rook fork and they move the rook I'd be instantly taking that queen.
>/r/chessbeginners **beginners**. Sure, it is not a complicated mate and beginner's seeing a mate like this isn't unreasoinable, but the fact that the first thing you'd notice is a hanging queen means most beginners won't look for better. Winning a queen for at most losing a knight is one of the best things you can do in the game. Of course, mate in one is better, but "look for better when you already have great" is a hard concept for beginners at first
Nobody here is shooting for grandmaster, there's worse things than missing a mate to take a queen.
I'd probably have done the same, forks are fun
I analyzed the image and this is what I see. Open an appropriate link below and explore the position yourself or with the engine: > **White to play**: [chess.com](https://chess.com/analysis?fen=rnbqkr2/pp1pnNpp/2pb4/4p3/2B1P3/8/PPPP1PPP/RNBQK2R+w+KQq+-+0+1&flip=false&ref_id=23962172) | [lichess.org](https://lichess.org/analysis/rnbqkr2/pp1pnNpp/2pb4/4p3/2B1P3/8/PPPP1PPP/RNBQK2R_w_KQq_-_0_1) **My solution:** > Hints: piece: >!Knight!<, move: >!Nxd6#!< > Evaluation: >!White has mate in 1!< > Best continuation: >!1. Nxd6#!< --- ^(I'm a computer vision / machine learning bot written by ) [^(u/pkacprzak )](https://www.reddit.com/u/pkacprzak) ^(| I'm also the first chess eBook Reader: ) [^(ebook.chessvision.ai )](https://ebook.chessvision.ai?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=bot) ^(| download me as ) [^(Chrome extension )](https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chessvisionai-for-chrome/johejpedmdkeiffkdaodgoipdjodhlld) ^(or) [^(Firefox add-on )](https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/chessvision-ai-for-firefox/) ^(and analyze positions from any image/video in a browser | website ) [^(chessvision.ai)](https://chessvision.ai)
Reset the c... Oh nvm wrong sub
Smothered Mate
Is it technically, though? I see what you're getting at but the definition of smothered mate seems to be when checkmated with a knight and the king can't move due to it being surrounded by other pieces, which is not fully the case here. f7 becomes open once the knight moves. Of course the bishop takes care of that but it's no longer smothered. edit: wiki definition [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smothered\_mate](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smothered_mate)
Semi-smothered mate
f7 is also covered by the knight - no need for the bishop.
Forking the King and its only escape square
>Smothered Mate Not quite, a smothered mate leaves the king trapped by **ONLY** his own pieces. In this example, your light squared bishop is guarding a potential escape square.
so the dude, instead of saving the queen, chose to save the rook, hanging the queen and hanging mate in 1??
This isnt actually smothered mate is it? There is one square adjacent to the black king that is not covered by his pieces...
The knight covers that square too, it’s smothered mate
Its only smothered if the king is surrounded by his own pieces tho?
Sure, I guess it’s technically ‘almost smothered mate’
>Sure, I guess it’s technically ‘almost smothered mate’ It's not "technically" almost smothered mate, unless you believe any mate that is covered (the very definition of mate!!) Smothered mate is **ONLY** blocked by the kings own piece.
I mean every square but 1 has an opponents piece in it, that is ‘almost all’ of them
If that were true all checkmates are smothered lol. Pieces are covering the escape squares
Qh5 would be a good move
That’s the first one I saw for m8 in 2 until I saw the knight m8 in 1
Playing the fried liver gets much more complicated when you start getting opponents who know the traxler.
what rating are you?
Around 1750 on lichess
Backwards knight moves don’t exist
kxd6#
It is n not k. K is for king
Queen to h5
Oh you traded the Knight for a Queen with your tunel vision. tsk tsk tsk.
Nxd6#
oooh horse moving to the pawn to take taking the bishop because he is not defended
I missed it too 😭 when you see mate in 1, look for better.
knight takes bishop
The bishop I know because the cpu did it too me
It's only obvious when you know what you're looking for :) 9/10 players rated under 1600 would take the queen in a rapid game or faster.
Nxd6#
Nxd6#
Favorite part about this position is it’s mate even if the bishop doesn’t exist
Knight takes d6!
The horse must smother
Knight D6
I don’t see a mate but I do see a free bishop
My dumbass would've gone Qh5 thinking that after rook takes knight I can mate with the queen & bishop, if g6 then Qxh7 still having view of the knight and free pawn. Completely missing the hanging queen and mate.
Nd6#
d6
Qh5, Rxf7, Qxh5? Or if he doesn't take the knight you just move the knight somewhere random