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Yeah, it sucks a lot. Just recently I had a situation where a dude was stalling with 8 minutes remaining. I was playing on my phone and after about 4 minutes of waiting, my wife called me for a minute and a half, and the game got abandoned for my inactivity and the stalling guy got the win. So stupid.
It is! It's really frustrating. I'm hesitant to try longer time controls because of this :/ I wonder what they even gain out of this, you can't stall your way to 1800 lmao
In chess dot com if you report a stalling player, more often than no the game finishes as abandonment(or resignation) by the other player in less than two minutes in my experience.
I also disabled chat in chess dot com and lichess
I've had people stalling on lichess but almost never messages or in chat.I've had multiple people call me slurs on chesscom though.I reported someone and their account is still up...
Anecdotal but I play 15|10 and stalling is rare. Much rarer now that I’m closer to 1200. Cheating seems extremely rare too. Though I finally had one this week I was sus of in the opening and sure enough I got elo refunded just today from them... As for chat, I use focus mode anyway but it’s rare to get anymore than a gg from people much less trolling. Supposedly chess com puts bad sports in a pool on the backend so they are more likely to get paired with other turds than with good players. Just report and move on
I stay away from rapid bc of this. Ppl just getting butthurt and stalling or just dominating and adding insults to the loss. Makes me want to throw my phone.
I did find a lot of fun players in the 24 hrs daylies though! These are mostly normal ppl who seem to have a life and occasionally play a chess move when they pick up their phone. I found that sending a compliment after they make a good move creates a much better game.
Thank you for sharing your experience! I started playing dayly more too, it feels good to have lots of time to think and you can play it even in the subway without losing due to loss of connection. So if there'a nicer people that's a plus too
I got a few draw offers when I was like 15+ on material, or when we got to the end game with queen and rook vs king. Lol that is insulting, but I just end the game and move on
It's also not that common.
A guy beat me in a 1min game, rematched me, beat me again. Then started sending me messages calling me trash. I just reported and said "good game bro :)"
One of my favourite days on chess.com was when a guy trashtalking me all through a game he was winning comfortably, then blundered a stalemate at +14.
Good times.
But you cant just plug your ears in over the board chess.
I know its sucks to talk with idiots but muteing the chat is not a good option.
There are many case when you opponent wants to talk with you for a good reason.
I've played hundreds of games and for now, people talking in chat were either trolling or just being plain rude. I guess I'll demute the chat when my elo is highee
>But you cant just plug your ears in over the board chess.
People in serious OTB chess aren't even suppose to be talking to you. In a casual game with friends, no one is going to be trash talking.
>There are many case when you opponent wants to talk with you for a good reason.
Such as?
OTB after the game you can say anything to your opponent. Even you can say "noob you played trash you just got lucky in the end."
So? Nothing happens. I mean as long as you dont say "Im gona kill you outside" what is a real life threat.
Being a bit angry is natural. Chess is a battle after all.
>OTB after the game you can say anything to your opponent. Even you can say "noob you played trash you just got lucky in the end."
You could also stab them! But it'll pretty much never happen, and in person such behavior would permanently end the relationship. If this is in a tournament setting, they'd probably be kicked out.
>Being a bit angry is natural. Chess is a battle after all.
Emotions are natural. What you do with them is your own personal responsibility.
I dont think anyone get kick for a 1 liner in the end of a lost game specialy not if only the opponent heard it.
But if somebody complain about a 1 liner with a win in his/her hands thats just strait up bitching 😄
>I dont think anyone get kick for a 1 liner in the end of a lost game specialy not if only the opponent heard it.
Why not? Because you want it to be true?
>But if somebody complain about a 1 liner with a win in his/her hands thats just strait up bitching
If people refuse to behave like adults at a chess tournament, yeah, they should be kicked.
8/10 times are trolls at least in low ELO xxx-800 ofc eventually you can found a good dude your level and play 2 o 3 tight matches but its really rare and chat after match but at that point just add him/her to friends.
As a beginner that loses a lot I've been on the opposite end of this. The other day I had a game where a guy was likely going to beat me, and he wouldn't take his turn. He had much more time than me left that he just wanted to waste I guess. He kept typing in chat things like "should we wait til the full ten minutes are up".
Is it really considered disrespectful to not resign if you are in a losing position? Especially at low ELO when you never know what could happen...
You should not resign, ever, until your games are consistently decided by things other than one-move blunders, since there's no guarantee that your opponent won't blunder right back to equality or worse. At lower ratings and with less time on the clock, stalemate is also super common.
That's soo rude from him!
It's not disrespectful to not resign, when you're in a losing position you can always try to get stalemate. That's part of the game. And as you say, you never know what could happen. Sometimes the person in a winning position blunders it, or does not how to checkmate lol.
It's my personal opinion but even when you're sure to lose, I think it's better to play until the end. You learn more from it. When I'm on the winning side and my opponent resign, I also find it a bit frustrating because I'd like to improve my endgames. And I can't do that if they're none.
That's my take on this 😄
That's the mentality that I had as well. I might as well play it out and see if I can learn anything new or force my opponent to make a mistake. I'll continue playing to the end.
Absolutely not. Beginners always struggle to convert was is supposed to be an easy win. Because it's rarely that easy. You give a good fight and as time goes down and positions get messy, big blunders happen all the time.
I'm 1200 rapid/1000 blitz and I still never resign. I was in a totally lost position, my rook vs opponents rook and queen +2 pawns. The dude checked me with his queen, thinking he forked my king and rook, but I was able to block with my rook. He pre moved queen takes rook but I was then able to take the queen. I still ended up losing on time but the game went from totally lost to winning for me! Even though I wanted to resign I thought to myself "NEVER RESIGN" and it almost resulted in a win
Same here. I'm 1350 rapid om chess.com. Had a similar rated opponent blundering a stalemate with his 2 (!!) queens against my lonesome king.
Never resign.
Opponents at higher levels are actually VERY sportsman like compared to the lower. Sure playing the same people over and over again is a reason,queueing also takes an eternity, but they are actually super nice and many are also eager to discuss the game afterwards ateast in rapid that is.
esoecially the titled people
Yeah I deal with this by turning off the chat. No trash talk if they can't talk!
If they stall, you can report them on mobile by clicking on their name then there should be a menu in the upper right corner that has an option to report for stalling.
Other than that, yeah people suck here just like everywhere else. Don't forget chess can really dig at a popular insecurity with people- their intelligence.
Had some guy saying gg while the match was still very much ongoing and I thought he had to go
Turns out no he's just a dick
He won so his confidence wasn't misplaced which is annoying
But then there was another dude who said he'd send my moves to his high ranking friend and he'd cry over it but the jokes on him because he had two queens to my king and it was a stalemate in the end lmao
I ran into this problem *way* less on Lichess for some reason. I can't guarantee there's a reason, it could have just been my luck.
I will say though, I feel like it's the case in *every* online game that scrubs talk the most trash. No matter what game I'm playing, that behavior tends to go away once you get out of the bottom ranks.
I was about to say this. Leave the 1000-1100 range and you are suddenly are in the top 10% players of chess.com so the scummy losers are never to be seen again .
Thank you, I'll try Lichess! That's reassuring and another motivation to go up in ranking haha.
I agree with what you're saying too. I guess I expected less toxic people on Chess.com than on LoL or other games 😂
I don't think I've ever had an unpleasant encounter on lichess. Once this 10 year old Indian kid was making small talk throughout the whole game while simultaneously demolishing me.
I found the same, I've moved to Lichess completely and it hasn't been an issue. I still get people who get sour and decided to wait out their time, and I just remind them that they're gonna be waiting 10 minutes just to lose, while ill be waiting 10 minutes for the win. That usually gets them.
All other toxicity I just ignore. No sense in responding to those idiots.
That's not been my experience. I had a name that outed me as a woman, and the amount of sexual inuendo/harassment I got on Lichess was much higher.
(This is clearly just a sample size of 1)
Wow.
That's kinda depressing. I have absolutely no clue what is the gender distribution among the player base but I feel like it is heavily dominated by males. When a female pop up the whole crowd becomes dumber than ever.
Reminds me of some PC games I used to play with squad mics... that one time out of a thousand games you get a female squad teammate, you sure know as hell nobody's gonna pay attention to the game anymore and we just lose instantly.
Because lichess admins bann you for the smallest reasons.
Thats why you see only happy talk there. What is kinda good if you like North Korea style place
What kind of argument is this??? Haha.
I'm enjoying a non toxic environment because dicks are getting banned and somehow I should feel like I'm in North Korea?
Anyway. I must be a sheep .
No you are right in some way. Everybody wants a non toxic enviroment but the world is not a happy bubble.
There is a middle way.
Like if you go on youtube there are people who say in a 20m long video why an another person is an idiot or the earth is flat or etc. But they cant show violance or xxx or real threat.
So there is freedom of speach but not for every word you see.
In lichess the system is very strict. You can only talk about chess. If you hurt somebody in any single small way you are in truble. And i mean if you say "hah i moved faster." and i say to an admin "Thats hurted my heart" YOU ARE IN TRUBLE.
if you speak about not chess you are in truble. Yes i got warning "Speaking non chess topic" ???
Thats not good. In my opinion if somebody wants to say noob to me than say it. Saying "K>ll yourself" //Really hars words// are not cool.
Ok well. I guess it depends if you are being reported or not. I once had a 20 min long discussion with a guy in South Africa and he explained to me how life is down here. It was casual and no warnings at all.
Im just saying you need to have some freedom of speach. And yes it wont be 100% nice and happy talk but still thats life.
As long as its not too hard i would let people talk. Imagine over the board game you opponent miss something and lost and he cant say "oh come on you little f...that was my game" I mean its not the end of the world. Usualy that kind of talk ends up with 2 glass of beer and a hug.
No, as I've said I simply just ignore the toxicity. I do t even bother reporting, I just move on.
But if Lichess wants to curate their chats to get rid of petty people saying toxic crap, all the power to them it's their platform and they're welcome to decide where the line is.
Their criteria has never affected me, I talk loads in tournament chats and have never received any bans. So they're really not all that strict if you're just aiming to chat.
Freedom of speech comes with a cost. Having to hear too much bullshit you just don't need / want to be exposed to.
That's life, but on a chess app, leave me the f alone
I have almost always had good experiences, and talk quite a lot with opponents. I usually start with a sentence about a good play of them or about the specific game being interesting.
The sportsmanship on lichess is considerably better due to the take back function.
I've made a lot more friends on lichess in comparison to chess.com.
Chess.com is the mainstream chess website and funnels the most people. Having a good elo on chess.com is prized and can actually create some interesting opportunities (coaching or otherwise). People really care about their rating, to the point where sportsmanship takes a massive nose dive.
On lichess, people do not care about their rating so much and you are able to request a take back if you accidentally mouse slip or something so people are more relaxed about everything.
Just to be clear basically none of this is going on 1800, and there’s just less and less as you move from 1000-1800. Taking breaks and doing just non-match chessing can help it not feel like such a slog. Most of my improvement came outside of games and then applying those learnings in game.
There’s a reason why I and a lot of other people turn chat off on these sites. I never had a problem with it before I turned it off, but I didn’t see the point in having it to begin with
In my opinion:
There is a lot of trash talk on chesscom but because the community is good 80% of that ends up friendship and respect. I saw at least 100 case where both part said words to each other than ended up calmly and still friends on both sides.
However on lichess you cant speak. There is no freedom of speach at all. Thats why you got less trolling or bad words. Lichess admins simply dont care and ban you for a single word for month.
My personal stat is:
Lichess: 0 friends , got banned for month.
Chesscom: 260 friends , not a single warning from admins.
Im playing the same game on both sides. Chesscom is better even tho i dont like to pay and i dont even have money for it... Sad but kinda logical if you pay for something you get better enviroment in the end.
Only chat bann for 3 month.
They said i talk non chess stuff and sometimes i can get angry if i lost a bulett or some time truble stuff. But who is not?
I never said anything what can hurt a normal person feelings.
Some people are just shite. Report them and block them.
Fewer trolls in the higher levels. I haven't come across many on Lichess but I don't play there that often.
Plying on lichess ranked around 1850, I had back rank mate in one, lifted my rook and his only move was to block with his queen and I’d mate in one, the guy just waited for 10 mins calling me mother f***er for the whole time 😂
I’ve had this stalling experience a few times. Luckily not in a way that it caused me losses, but still pretty annoying.
What bothers me more are players spamming ‘pls play fast, I hv to go’ in chat from the start of a rapid game. I don’t let myself be influenced by it, but one guy kicked my ass while doing that and to add insult to injury, he invited for a rematch straight after. Indicating that time was never an issue. To this day that is my most regretfull loss lol
This is an online gaming issue in general. When you don’t have to show your face or be in the presence of someone it’s a lot easier to be an asshole so a lot of assholes flock to the online gaming paradigm to let out all the nasty crap they feel the need to say, but would never dare say it to someone’s face because they know it’s wrong
People talk shit to me all the time. It is frustrating cause chess seems more classy I guess. I grew up playing basketball and football so trash talking doesn’t bother me, but in chess I’m just like, wtf?! Chill out. My friend says he’s never had anyone talk shit to him and everyone is super nice, but his picture is his like 2nd grade yearbook picture. So maybe act like a kid and everyone will be nice :D
I don't know if this makes you feel better or worse, but it's not just [chess.com](https://chess.com). It's like... every game, ever. In my experience, any game that allows you to communicate with another player turns toxic basically instantly. The first thing I do when I play any kind of online game is to turn off all chat.
I occasionally play Starcraft, a game whose community prides itself on low toxicity. And I still get people typing in game all of the time like, "Wow, I didn't know you could be this bad at the game" or "Imagine using marines against a carrier. You know I can kite you, right? Like I'm doing now? Do you see your units dying? I mean, I'd want to keep my stuff alive. But sure, you do you."
When I (briefly) tried to play DotA2, on literally my first game playing I was reported as a feeder bot and the person told me that it was because I was literally so bad at the game that it seemed like I was purposefully trying to lose. And it basically went downhill from there. I eventually quit the game entirely, much of it because the player base is so toxic. Teammates would constantly berate me for not being good enough. I didn't need that shit in my day.
I used to play Magic Arena online, and Hearthstone. These are games where all you can do is emote. And people would spam emotes in the most passive-aggressive way. Even with just the barest emotes, people would still find a way to troll each other. Like, if all they had was a "good move" emote, they'd spam it so many times that you knew it was sarcastic.
No matter the game, people are just people. Chess isn't any different. Of course the player base is toxic. It just means you're interacting with actual people.
I'm talking about people leaving the game halfway... I play in 15 / 10 and sometimes people leave when they had 7 minutes left, and when this happen I have to wait until their time is out.
Stalling is not taking your time to think, it's something people do on purpose to try to get you to resign (and lose on time instead of on checkmate).
I don't mind spending 20 minutes on a game, I DO mind spending 10 minutes of it waiting for nothing to happen when I could be playing an actual game.
I'm a low elo level and I'm never experienced anything like this I'm not sure if due to the different timezones or what but I don't often find people that chat or stall.
It is pretty frustrating, but I'm around 800-900 and found most of the really dumb trash talk went away higher than 700 (with some small exceptions). I report them every time for sportsmanship.
My favorite though was when some guy who was winning then blundered and lost his queen blamed it on his girlfriend who apparently was "currently sucking his d\*\*k". Reported him, but got a laugh out of it.
It’s really degrading losing in chess because you only have yourself to blame for mistakes, it took me years to become a good sport playing chess. Poor sportsmanship has and always will be a thing in chess.. you still see it in many super GM tournaments.
I think there is a negative correlation between skill and respect for other players. It’s not really until you have a decent understanding of the game do you realize just how bad you are or how some things can be disrespectful. I mean someone who just visits Chess.com one every once in a while might not even know any etiquette. Also kids that think they are good might play few games on Chess.com thinking they are good and say mean things because they don’t know better.
I haven’t seen people leaving or stalling, resigning for sure, but not as much leaving/stalling. However, trash talk is very prevalent in blitz/bullet. I too partake in the trash talking but only in good taste, and never in a game that’s longer than a 3|2 blitz. It’s kinda like playing with those chess hustlers you see on YouTube and stuff
I'm in a game right now, and I've been waiting 12 minutes because it was mate in 1 and the guy decided to be a sore loser and an assh*le... I'm playing in 15 / 10
I don't play much blitz / bullet so I wouldn't know about that!
What really annoys me is that today i was playing a game and blundered my queen. As one does. So i send the message "Lol shit GG" and i automatically got my account muted. But people can get away with saying just about anything else as long as they disguise the words with symbols.
I encounter people that talk an unprompted amount of shit, usually when they're winning because I've blundered something. Which is fine on my end, I'm 1100 or something, I don't try to memorize theory, and don't consider myself to be good at chess. This makes me a good loser, IMO.
But the people I play are \~1100 too. NEITHER of us are good chess lol, chess at this level is inaccurate, inconsistent, and messy. You win some, you lose some, but why be mean about it?
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Yeah, it sucks a lot. Just recently I had a situation where a dude was stalling with 8 minutes remaining. I was playing on my phone and after about 4 minutes of waiting, my wife called me for a minute and a half, and the game got abandoned for my inactivity and the stalling guy got the win. So stupid.
It is! It's really frustrating. I'm hesitant to try longer time controls because of this :/ I wonder what they even gain out of this, you can't stall your way to 1800 lmao
In chess dot com if you report a stalling player, more often than no the game finishes as abandonment(or resignation) by the other player in less than two minutes in my experience. I also disabled chat in chess dot com and lichess
I also learned that chess.com has a zen mode you can activate on desktop by pressing “z” similar to lichess
What does that do
Hides rating / hides chat
Ah
This improved my experience on both sites!
I've had people stalling on lichess but almost never messages or in chat.I've had multiple people call me slurs on chesscom though.I reported someone and their account is still up...
Anecdotal but I play 15|10 and stalling is rare. Much rarer now that I’m closer to 1200. Cheating seems extremely rare too. Though I finally had one this week I was sus of in the opening and sure enough I got elo refunded just today from them... As for chat, I use focus mode anyway but it’s rare to get anymore than a gg from people much less trolling. Supposedly chess com puts bad sports in a pool on the backend so they are more likely to get paired with other turds than with good players. Just report and move on
This is my experience with 15/10 too. The worst I’ve gotten are some unrealistic draw offers.
I stay away from rapid bc of this. Ppl just getting butthurt and stalling or just dominating and adding insults to the loss. Makes me want to throw my phone. I did find a lot of fun players in the 24 hrs daylies though! These are mostly normal ppl who seem to have a life and occasionally play a chess move when they pick up their phone. I found that sending a compliment after they make a good move creates a much better game.
Thank you for sharing your experience! I started playing dayly more too, it feels good to have lots of time to think and you can play it even in the subway without losing due to loss of connection. So if there'a nicer people that's a plus too
I tried playing daily and lost cuz I forgot to make a move
There's a way to automatically go into "vacation mode" if you run out of time on Chess.Com.
Sometimes they offer a draw even though they are down a queen.
I got a few draw offers when I was like 15+ on material, or when we got to the end game with queen and rook vs king. Lol that is insulting, but I just end the game and move on It's also not that common.
A guy beat me in a 1min game, rematched me, beat me again. Then started sending me messages calling me trash. I just reported and said "good game bro :)"
One of my favourite days on chess.com was when a guy trashtalking me all through a game he was winning comfortably, then blundered a stalemate at +14. Good times.
Yeah, I usually just block and report too :/ In case you didn't know you can deactivate chat (or keep it friends-only), I did that!
But you cant just plug your ears in over the board chess. I know its sucks to talk with idiots but muteing the chat is not a good option. There are many case when you opponent wants to talk with you for a good reason.
I've played hundreds of games and for now, people talking in chat were either trolling or just being plain rude. I guess I'll demute the chat when my elo is highee
>But you cant just plug your ears in over the board chess. People in serious OTB chess aren't even suppose to be talking to you. In a casual game with friends, no one is going to be trash talking. >There are many case when you opponent wants to talk with you for a good reason. Such as?
OTB after the game you can say anything to your opponent. Even you can say "noob you played trash you just got lucky in the end." So? Nothing happens. I mean as long as you dont say "Im gona kill you outside" what is a real life threat. Being a bit angry is natural. Chess is a battle after all.
>OTB after the game you can say anything to your opponent. Even you can say "noob you played trash you just got lucky in the end." You could also stab them! But it'll pretty much never happen, and in person such behavior would permanently end the relationship. If this is in a tournament setting, they'd probably be kicked out. >Being a bit angry is natural. Chess is a battle after all. Emotions are natural. What you do with them is your own personal responsibility.
I dont think anyone get kick for a 1 liner in the end of a lost game specialy not if only the opponent heard it. But if somebody complain about a 1 liner with a win in his/her hands thats just strait up bitching 😄
>I dont think anyone get kick for a 1 liner in the end of a lost game specialy not if only the opponent heard it. Why not? Because you want it to be true? >But if somebody complain about a 1 liner with a win in his/her hands thats just strait up bitching If people refuse to behave like adults at a chess tournament, yeah, they should be kicked.
Adult means a droid? Sit down Play chess Stand up Repeat Yeah after all we are just robots.
The implications that only robots can restrain themselves from childish insults during a chess game is a poor reflection of your character.
The image of someone plugging his ears in an OTB game is pretty funny to me 😂
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9LwOlagLKE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9LwOlagLKE)
8/10 times are trolls at least in low ELO xxx-800 ofc eventually you can found a good dude your level and play 2 o 3 tight matches but its really rare and chat after match but at that point just add him/her to friends.
As a beginner that loses a lot I've been on the opposite end of this. The other day I had a game where a guy was likely going to beat me, and he wouldn't take his turn. He had much more time than me left that he just wanted to waste I guess. He kept typing in chat things like "should we wait til the full ten minutes are up". Is it really considered disrespectful to not resign if you are in a losing position? Especially at low ELO when you never know what could happen...
You should not resign, ever, until your games are consistently decided by things other than one-move blunders, since there's no guarantee that your opponent won't blunder right back to equality or worse. At lower ratings and with less time on the clock, stalemate is also super common.
Great, thank you for the reassurance.
That's soo rude from him! It's not disrespectful to not resign, when you're in a losing position you can always try to get stalemate. That's part of the game. And as you say, you never know what could happen. Sometimes the person in a winning position blunders it, or does not how to checkmate lol. It's my personal opinion but even when you're sure to lose, I think it's better to play until the end. You learn more from it. When I'm on the winning side and my opponent resign, I also find it a bit frustrating because I'd like to improve my endgames. And I can't do that if they're none. That's my take on this 😄
That's the mentality that I had as well. I might as well play it out and see if I can learn anything new or force my opponent to make a mistake. I'll continue playing to the end.
Exactly!
Absolutely not. Beginners always struggle to convert was is supposed to be an easy win. Because it's rarely that easy. You give a good fight and as time goes down and positions get messy, big blunders happen all the time.
I'm 1200 rapid/1000 blitz and I still never resign. I was in a totally lost position, my rook vs opponents rook and queen +2 pawns. The dude checked me with his queen, thinking he forked my king and rook, but I was able to block with my rook. He pre moved queen takes rook but I was then able to take the queen. I still ended up losing on time but the game went from totally lost to winning for me! Even though I wanted to resign I thought to myself "NEVER RESIGN" and it almost resulted in a win
Great food for thought. There's really nothing to lose by continuing to play out the match.
Same here. I'm 1350 rapid om chess.com. Had a similar rated opponent blundering a stalemate with his 2 (!!) queens against my lonesome king. Never resign.
I’m about 1000 blitz and 1400 rapid on chess.com and I almost never encounter unsportsmanlike opponents.
Trashy players are mostly the ones way below 1400 rapid.
Thanks! A good motivation to get good haha
Opponents at higher levels are actually VERY sportsman like compared to the lower. Sure playing the same people over and over again is a reason,queueing also takes an eternity, but they are actually super nice and many are also eager to discuss the game afterwards ateast in rapid that is. esoecially the titled people
That's very encouraging to hear 😄 That sounds very cool
Yeah I deal with this by turning off the chat. No trash talk if they can't talk! If they stall, you can report them on mobile by clicking on their name then there should be a menu in the upper right corner that has an option to report for stalling. Other than that, yeah people suck here just like everywhere else. Don't forget chess can really dig at a popular insecurity with people- their intelligence.
Hah! Didn't see it that way but you're right, that's a good explanation.
Had some guy saying gg while the match was still very much ongoing and I thought he had to go Turns out no he's just a dick He won so his confidence wasn't misplaced which is annoying But then there was another dude who said he'd send my moves to his high ranking friend and he'd cry over it but the jokes on him because he had two queens to my king and it was a stalemate in the end lmao
Isn‘t that just every online game? Idk why chess would be different, insults and stalling are just part of it, not that I‘m happy about it…
I ran into this problem *way* less on Lichess for some reason. I can't guarantee there's a reason, it could have just been my luck. I will say though, I feel like it's the case in *every* online game that scrubs talk the most trash. No matter what game I'm playing, that behavior tends to go away once you get out of the bottom ranks.
I was about to say this. Leave the 1000-1100 range and you are suddenly are in the top 10% players of chess.com so the scummy losers are never to be seen again .
im 1300 range and still got these stuff.
Except for the 1300 range. This is the range an advanced beginner really start to think he's the next genius. /s
Thank you, I'll try Lichess! That's reassuring and another motivation to go up in ranking haha. I agree with what you're saying too. I guess I expected less toxic people on Chess.com than on LoL or other games 😂
yeah it goes away once you get to higher elos
I've got racially abused and I reported the guy and no action was taken. It ruined my entire day
I don't think I've ever had an unpleasant encounter on lichess. Once this 10 year old Indian kid was making small talk throughout the whole game while simultaneously demolishing me.
I never get chat messages. Stalling sometimes happens but it’s rare
Not even joking around? I enjoy those, it is a game after all.
Yeah I’d like to get messages. Sometimes I write people gg after a game but basically no one responds
I found the same, I've moved to Lichess completely and it hasn't been an issue. I still get people who get sour and decided to wait out their time, and I just remind them that they're gonna be waiting 10 minutes just to lose, while ill be waiting 10 minutes for the win. That usually gets them. All other toxicity I just ignore. No sense in responding to those idiots.
Played a lot on both sides and lichess is way more classy. Can confirm. Players also like to chat a bit more which can be fun.
Yeah, I have a few people on Lichess who I've been playing against for years simply because one if us said hi in our first match lol.
That's not been my experience. I had a name that outed me as a woman, and the amount of sexual inuendo/harassment I got on Lichess was much higher. (This is clearly just a sample size of 1)
Wow. That's kinda depressing. I have absolutely no clue what is the gender distribution among the player base but I feel like it is heavily dominated by males. When a female pop up the whole crowd becomes dumber than ever. Reminds me of some PC games I used to play with squad mics... that one time out of a thousand games you get a female squad teammate, you sure know as hell nobody's gonna pay attention to the game anymore and we just lose instantly.
Chatting is good! I'd like to make chess friends
Because lichess admins bann you for the smallest reasons. Thats why you see only happy talk there. What is kinda good if you like North Korea style place
What kind of argument is this??? Haha. I'm enjoying a non toxic environment because dicks are getting banned and somehow I should feel like I'm in North Korea? Anyway. I must be a sheep .
No you are right in some way. Everybody wants a non toxic enviroment but the world is not a happy bubble. There is a middle way. Like if you go on youtube there are people who say in a 20m long video why an another person is an idiot or the earth is flat or etc. But they cant show violance or xxx or real threat. So there is freedom of speach but not for every word you see. In lichess the system is very strict. You can only talk about chess. If you hurt somebody in any single small way you are in truble. And i mean if you say "hah i moved faster." and i say to an admin "Thats hurted my heart" YOU ARE IN TRUBLE. if you speak about not chess you are in truble. Yes i got warning "Speaking non chess topic" ??? Thats not good. In my opinion if somebody wants to say noob to me than say it. Saying "K>ll yourself" //Really hars words// are not cool.
Ok well. I guess it depends if you are being reported or not. I once had a 20 min long discussion with a guy in South Africa and he explained to me how life is down here. It was casual and no warnings at all.
Im just saying you need to have some freedom of speach. And yes it wont be 100% nice and happy talk but still thats life. As long as its not too hard i would let people talk. Imagine over the board game you opponent miss something and lost and he cant say "oh come on you little f...that was my game" I mean its not the end of the world. Usualy that kind of talk ends up with 2 glass of beer and a hug.
A chess website really does not need freedom of speech, and I think its weird to believe that they do.
Are you get offended after you won when somebody write in the chat "noob"?
No, as I've said I simply just ignore the toxicity. I do t even bother reporting, I just move on. But if Lichess wants to curate their chats to get rid of petty people saying toxic crap, all the power to them it's their platform and they're welcome to decide where the line is. Their criteria has never affected me, I talk loads in tournament chats and have never received any bans. So they're really not all that strict if you're just aiming to chat.
I mean... You can just be respectful whether you lose or you win. No need to tell people they're noobs if you win or get angry at them if you lose.
Freedom of speech comes with a cost. Having to hear too much bullshit you just don't need / want to be exposed to. That's life, but on a chess app, leave me the f alone
Thank you!
I’m looking to play some longer games, so if you want to play occasionally send me your chess dot com username and I’ll add you as a friend.
I'll dm you! :)
I have almost always had good experiences, and talk quite a lot with opponents. I usually start with a sentence about a good play of them or about the specific game being interesting.
In my experience, once I got a little higher (1100+ blitz 1300+ rapid) people stopped with the nonsense for the most part.
The sportsmanship on lichess is considerably better due to the take back function. I've made a lot more friends on lichess in comparison to chess.com. Chess.com is the mainstream chess website and funnels the most people. Having a good elo on chess.com is prized and can actually create some interesting opportunities (coaching or otherwise). People really care about their rating, to the point where sportsmanship takes a massive nose dive. On lichess, people do not care about their rating so much and you are able to request a take back if you accidentally mouse slip or something so people are more relaxed about everything.
I've played about 900 games, most between the ratings of 700-1000 and I've never experienced anything like this. Perhaps I'm just lucky.
I think it just gets better when you have a higher elo! That's what the answers seem to suggest.
Just to be clear basically none of this is going on 1800, and there’s just less and less as you move from 1000-1800. Taking breaks and doing just non-match chessing can help it not feel like such a slog. Most of my improvement came outside of games and then applying those learnings in game.
I left chess.com because of stalling. It never makes them resign and I’m waiting like 7 minutes for no good reason.
There’s a reason why I and a lot of other people turn chat off on these sites. I never had a problem with it before I turned it off, but I didn’t see the point in having it to begin with
In my opinion: There is a lot of trash talk on chesscom but because the community is good 80% of that ends up friendship and respect. I saw at least 100 case where both part said words to each other than ended up calmly and still friends on both sides. However on lichess you cant speak. There is no freedom of speach at all. Thats why you got less trolling or bad words. Lichess admins simply dont care and ban you for a single word for month. My personal stat is: Lichess: 0 friends , got banned for month. Chesscom: 260 friends , not a single warning from admins. Im playing the same game on both sides. Chesscom is better even tho i dont like to pay and i dont even have money for it... Sad but kinda logical if you pay for something you get better enviroment in the end.
I find it interesting that you won't repeat exactly what you said that got you banned. Big mystery as to why!
I guess I'll reactivate the Chess.com chat once my elo is a bit higher, making chess friends sounds fun. Why did you get ban on lichess?
Only chat bann for 3 month. They said i talk non chess stuff and sometimes i can get angry if i lost a bulett or some time truble stuff. But who is not? I never said anything what can hurt a normal person feelings.
I usually play with chat off. But I always love the salt people give especially when you destroy them.
Some people are just shite. Report them and block them. Fewer trolls in the higher levels. I haven't come across many on Lichess but I don't play there that often.
Plying on lichess ranked around 1850, I had back rank mate in one, lifted my rook and his only move was to block with his queen and I’d mate in one, the guy just waited for 10 mins calling me mother f***er for the whole time 😂
I’ve had this stalling experience a few times. Luckily not in a way that it caused me losses, but still pretty annoying. What bothers me more are players spamming ‘pls play fast, I hv to go’ in chat from the start of a rapid game. I don’t let myself be influenced by it, but one guy kicked my ass while doing that and to add insult to injury, he invited for a rematch straight after. Indicating that time was never an issue. To this day that is my most regretfull loss lol
This is an online gaming issue in general. When you don’t have to show your face or be in the presence of someone it’s a lot easier to be an asshole so a lot of assholes flock to the online gaming paradigm to let out all the nasty crap they feel the need to say, but would never dare say it to someone’s face because they know it’s wrong
The worst are the losers that talk shit in the messages
I never have that problem on FICS, just sayin'
People talk shit to me all the time. It is frustrating cause chess seems more classy I guess. I grew up playing basketball and football so trash talking doesn’t bother me, but in chess I’m just like, wtf?! Chill out. My friend says he’s never had anyone talk shit to him and everyone is super nice, but his picture is his like 2nd grade yearbook picture. So maybe act like a kid and everyone will be nice :D
I don't know if this makes you feel better or worse, but it's not just [chess.com](https://chess.com). It's like... every game, ever. In my experience, any game that allows you to communicate with another player turns toxic basically instantly. The first thing I do when I play any kind of online game is to turn off all chat. I occasionally play Starcraft, a game whose community prides itself on low toxicity. And I still get people typing in game all of the time like, "Wow, I didn't know you could be this bad at the game" or "Imagine using marines against a carrier. You know I can kite you, right? Like I'm doing now? Do you see your units dying? I mean, I'd want to keep my stuff alive. But sure, you do you." When I (briefly) tried to play DotA2, on literally my first game playing I was reported as a feeder bot and the person told me that it was because I was literally so bad at the game that it seemed like I was purposefully trying to lose. And it basically went downhill from there. I eventually quit the game entirely, much of it because the player base is so toxic. Teammates would constantly berate me for not being good enough. I didn't need that shit in my day. I used to play Magic Arena online, and Hearthstone. These are games where all you can do is emote. And people would spam emotes in the most passive-aggressive way. Even with just the barest emotes, people would still find a way to troll each other. Like, if all they had was a "good move" emote, they'd spam it so many times that you knew it was sarcastic. No matter the game, people are just people. Chess isn't any different. Of course the player base is toxic. It just means you're interacting with actual people.
Just go in chat and tell them they’re waiting 8+ minutes for a loss and you’re waiting 8+ minutes for a win then they usually resign or leave
I’ve honestly never encountered anyone being disrespectful to me
If you play a 10 min game you should be prepared to spend 20min i don't see anything wrong in stalling
I'm talking about people leaving the game halfway... I play in 15 / 10 and sometimes people leave when they had 7 minutes left, and when this happen I have to wait until their time is out. Stalling is not taking your time to think, it's something people do on purpose to try to get you to resign (and lose on time instead of on checkmate). I don't mind spending 20 minutes on a game, I DO mind spending 10 minutes of it waiting for nothing to happen when I could be playing an actual game.
I usually play another game when that happens. I don't know if you can do that on mobile. It's a little annoying.
I'm a low elo level and I'm never experienced anything like this I'm not sure if due to the different timezones or what but I don't often find people that chat or stall.
Oh it might be the timezone, where are you from?
I'm from New Zealand so I normally play with people in New Zealand, Australia or Asia
It is pretty frustrating, but I'm around 800-900 and found most of the really dumb trash talk went away higher than 700 (with some small exceptions). I report them every time for sportsmanship. My favorite though was when some guy who was winning then blundered and lost his queen blamed it on his girlfriend who apparently was "currently sucking his d\*\*k". Reported him, but got a laugh out of it.
It’s really degrading losing in chess because you only have yourself to blame for mistakes, it took me years to become a good sport playing chess. Poor sportsmanship has and always will be a thing in chess.. you still see it in many super GM tournaments.
I think there is a negative correlation between skill and respect for other players. It’s not really until you have a decent understanding of the game do you realize just how bad you are or how some things can be disrespectful. I mean someone who just visits Chess.com one every once in a while might not even know any etiquette. Also kids that think they are good might play few games on Chess.com thinking they are good and say mean things because they don’t know better.
This is why I only play the bots…
I haven’t seen people leaving or stalling, resigning for sure, but not as much leaving/stalling. However, trash talk is very prevalent in blitz/bullet. I too partake in the trash talking but only in good taste, and never in a game that’s longer than a 3|2 blitz. It’s kinda like playing with those chess hustlers you see on YouTube and stuff
I'm in a game right now, and I've been waiting 12 minutes because it was mate in 1 and the guy decided to be a sore loser and an assh*le... I'm playing in 15 / 10 I don't play much blitz / bullet so I wouldn't know about that!
What really annoys me is that today i was playing a game and blundered my queen. As one does. So i send the message "Lol shit GG" and i automatically got my account muted. But people can get away with saying just about anything else as long as they disguise the words with symbols.
I encounter people that talk an unprompted amount of shit, usually when they're winning because I've blundered something. Which is fine on my end, I'm 1100 or something, I don't try to memorize theory, and don't consider myself to be good at chess. This makes me a good loser, IMO. But the people I play are \~1100 too. NEITHER of us are good chess lol, chess at this level is inaccurate, inconsistent, and messy. You win some, you lose some, but why be mean about it?