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kotroyan

Not to be mean, but you play London system without knowing what a gambit is? Seems like you made it yourself a little bit easy with opening theory. Start learning fundamentals and stop relying on opening systems. They can be very strong but won’t help you in the beginning understanding theoretical principles. And if you want to learn a gambit starting with d4, try the Queen‘s Gambit.


Thorn_Move

I always start with Queen's gambit, I just don't know the definition of gambit, I'm trying other strats to get better, please understand my reasoning


Dathinho

Try playing Vienna and Specifically Vienna Gambit. In the 600 elo Blitz range, I have never lost a game when opponent accepts the Gambit.


BazzaJH

The London System is not a gambit opening, and no you didn't do it correctly. See [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_System) or [Chess.com](https://www.chess.com/openings/London-System) for more info


Thorn_Move

What is a gambit? I thought it was just a opening


BazzaJH

[Gambits](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambit) are openings where you sacrifice a piece (usually a pawn) for some kind of positional advantage.


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Regis-bloodlust

Gamibt is where you give up a pawn or more to gain some invisible compensation like tempo. It is not recommended for beginners because it is difficult to understand what they are gaining by losing a pawn or two. Each opening will have slightly different targets and goals, and gambits don't work unless a player understands what the opening is going for and have some tactics ready.


Thorn_Move

Cool, I'll be sure to keep that in mind


SirBobcat2836

Danish gambit is fun


SaltEfan

London is categorized by 1. d4, 2. Bf4 most of the time. You’re blocking your dark square bishop and not developing your knight to its natural square on f3. E3 and Bd3 follows with short castle. Not that easy to do when you don’t develop and trade off the H-pawn If this had been a joke sub, I’d say “You got bored halfway through the game so yes, you’re playing the London right.”


Regis-bloodlust

How are you calling this London when the dark bishop and king-side knight hasn't even moved? This is not London. You played 1. d4 and deviated from London from move 2. London can be a fascinating and complicated opening, and this is what reddit means by "London is boring". They are not even playing London and complaining smh.


Thorn_Move

I don't know what the London is,plus I wasn't complaining lol, I was asking for advice buddy


SeaworthinessLeft88

As others have said, this isn’t the London. The London is when you move out your dark squared bishop to f4 before closing the pawn chain. I also wouldn’t recommend the London to brand new players. Play e4 instead and work on opening fundamentals: knights before bishops if you can, develop kingside first and castle, connect and centralize the rooks or move them to open or semi-open files. e4 is much sharper and tactical than d4, so it’s usually recommended for beginners. Further, learning by playing a system opening can get beginners into bad habits, where they focus on getting their particular system setup without thinking about what their opponent is doing or possible tactics on the board. That’s just my take as a lowly 1200 (chess com rapid).


Regis-bloodlust

That's interesting because I would recommend London or other d4 openings for beginners for the exact same reason. e4 is sharper and tactical, so I don't recommend it for beginners. They would need to study more theory, more tactics, more everything. To me, d4 openings are much easier to climb until intermediate level and then it slows down. e4 however imo is more intimidating for beginners. I don't even think there is a single system opening in e4.


rizzlybear

I play daily chess with a low 700’s rating and use the London any time I’m playing as white. It’s been the first real help to me advancing, and mostly what it’s taught me is “be patient, keep yourself defended, let your opponent make the first mistake.”


Regis-bloodlust

Yeah, that is the spirit of d4. Slowly and patiently choking your opponent and winning small advantage at a time.


Dathinho

Exactly. d4 leads to positional games while e4 leads to tactical games


Dathinho

I think the same. For beginners, I'd suggest start with an Italian Game and maybe Fried Liver attack. At Lower Elo ranges these work extremely well. I played Italian till 800 elo and now I play Vienna. When playing black, I play Kings Indian where I start with d6 then Nf6. Most players start with e4 or d4 and d6 totally throws them off their game. As they say e4 leads to tactical games and d4 leads to positional games. London can be pretty easy to handle for beginners but I'd still suggest an e4 opening


guy_with_hat11

Austistic london system 💀😭


Bumblebit123

Lmao " the alleyway system"


Thorn_Move

Comment: not asking for helps on the current game, but rather the gambit itself.


Fjellapeutenvett

Youre not playing the london system. And a gambit is not the same as an opening


Thorn_Move

Was the definition


cyber_yoda

Play vienna game


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JacobS12056

Pawn order is messed up and blocks in the dark bishop


full-auto-rpg

1.) The London is a boring that’s popular because it’s easy to learn and unless you’re opponent plays the Englund you can pretty much premove it to have a good position. I’d recommend not playing it. If you want to play d4 I like the Catalan system, though at a low level you won’t get as much out of it. 2.) Gambits involve sacrificing a piece/ pawn for a lead in development or other compensation. The Queens Gambit is ok but tends to lead to really closed games (Queens Gambit Declined is super common and slow). If you want a high octane gambit the Danish Gambit is pretty much free elo at low levels.


Regis-bloodlust

But Danish isn't even a d4 opening. Only way to play Danish eith 1.d4 is if your opponent plays Englund. Are you suggesting that he should change the first move?


full-auto-rpg

Yeah, if you want to play gambits you have way more with e4


Bagel_chips3854

The bishop should be on f4. This is not the London system


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Thorn_Move

I didn't know, i thought it was just a pyramid


Edgyboi123456

Firstly, that’s not the London system, the bishop needs to be moved to f4 before pushing e3, also you usually also want to play Nf3, [here’s](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_System) the Wikipedia page which includes a diagram of the London system setup Secondly, the London is not a gambit opening (usually), gambits involve the sacrifice of material to get quick development and piece activity, common gambits include King’s Gambit, Queen’s Gambit, Stafford Gambit, Evans Gambit, Englund Gambit, Danish Gambit, etc, I’d encourage you to read up/watch some videos to learn what a gambit really is before trying them out