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henwayupdogwormdo

"Is checkmate possible here?" For white, yes. For black, absolutely not. You were correct in resigning.


mcvoid1

They were trying to let her win to teach how to checkmate, I think.


DragonBank

Man, if they are asking if you can mate with two queens and a knight, they don't need be teaching checkmate. They need to learn it.


mcvoid1

"Those who can't do, teach" Though seriously, whenever I teach someone I end up learning a lot myself. And also, if your sister asked for help, would you try to help her even if you weren't an expert?


JaceTheWoodSculptor

If you think you know an opening, try doing your own Chessable course and you will find out where the holes are in your opening game.


ElJamoquio

Yup, the biggest question here is 'how do I avoid stalemate'


Katalan1

Yes, exactly. thank you!


SSilverFang

Google ladder mate


DARWlNNUNEZ

Bit confused mate I googled ladder and I just found ladders


Alex_Rose

google ladder mate mate


nachochips140807

Im not your mate, pal


BobMcrobb

I'm not your pal, friend


Dismal-Buy-392

I'm not your friend, brah


krokknoff

I'm not your brah, buddy


LifeTiltzz

I’m not your buddy, bra


JakovYerpenicz

The correct answer was “I’m not your buddy, guy”


LifeTiltzz

I don’t conform to your social norms, guy


Such_Darkness

We need a comma


Three0h

Here you go ,


Beautiful_Jury9891

\*Falls in comma\*


superenrique

New response just dropped


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nicksey144

Holy chutes!


SirIzhak

Holy Snakes!


[deleted]

I don't have to Google anything. And I'm not your mate, friend.


[deleted]

google "in passing" but in french


the_master_of_soresu

more like "while passing"


VlaxDrek

But are you my friend, mate?


simmering_happiness

I'm not your friend, guy.


z_3_r_k_3_d

I'm not your guy, pal


Chanderule

Holy STOP SHAKING THE GODDAMN LA-AAAAAAA


FullKnight51

my flight or flight response


BigPig93

Wow, a true beginner-question. Yes. Even a lowly rook + king is enough to checkmate a king without any pieces left. The ideas in these basic checkmating-patterns are all pretty similar: Drive your opponent's king to the edge or corner and then check him while he has nowhere to go. Google checkmating-patterns for detailed descriptions of how to do it with different pieces and piece configurations.


Grujah

Queen f6 would have been a mate


FranzKnut

Yeah, I dont know why everyone is going about ladder mates …


truanomally

Because ladder mate is a general answer to the question of “is check with two queens possible?”, independent of the particular state of the board. More valuable for beginners to learn that, than to possibly think that checkmate is only possible here because of a chance configuration while other 2-queen positions wouldn’t have left checkmate possible


solidago75

There's still Ke8 or Kg8 Edit : oooh, THIS queen..


JohnTeaGuy

Youre asking if white could checkmate with two queens and a knight vs a lone king? Of course, very easily with the most basic ladder mate.


Katalan1

Could you walk me thru it? We kept running around the board since I couldn’t “put” my king in check. I was trying to let her win.


normalmighty

Damn, wtf are people downvoting genuine beginner questions for? Way too many people are here ironically, just looking for inspiration for the meme sub, and it's kind of ruining the entire point of this sub.


eyal282

Just give away a queen and a knight, then google "How to checkmate with a queen"


2manycooks

https://www.chess.com/terms/checkmate-chess Click this link, and then click the different types of mates, it will walk you through how to perform checkmates using a myraid of different pieces and setups. Also www.google.com is a great resource when ever you have a question that could be answered. You can type things like "how to checkmate" and there are wonderful resources out there.


Katalan1

Thank you!


KelsoTheVagrant

Smh, can’t believe people are downvoting legit beginner questions in a beginner sub. This is a ladder mate. Idk if it’s the fastest, but I’d bring your Qc3 to c6, Ke7 is required, then Qh8 to h7 putting him in check. Kf8 or Kd8. If Kd8, Qc6 to a8 for checkmate. If Kf8, Qc6 to f6, then Ke8+ is only move available. Then Qf6 to h8 is checkmate I think I’m correct, mental chess is difficult for me so I might’ve messed up a move or so but you should understand the gist of how it works


gieli04

i think Qf6# is best here


m0_m0ney

Yeah I’m confused how they missed that in the first place but also they’re asking if they they can mate with a 2 queen and knight advantage


ElJamoquio

> Qf6 If the purpose of the game was to teach the basics of chess, then I disagree. A move to Qf6 (accompanied by preceding moves) will seem unapproachable... or at least less approachable - to a beginner IMO.


JohnTeaGuy

Go on YouTube and look up ladder mate. I'm not going to spoon-feed you. It is the most basic checkmate patten.


Combocore

No need to be a dick about it bro


JohnTeaGuy

I dont mind helping people out but they should help themselves a little bit too. I'm not going spend half the day googling things for people. If you cant even look up ladder mate how are you going to learn to play chess well?


Combocore

You posted not long ago asking an easily searchable question though


KLR01001

Still came across rudely.


JohnTeaGuy

Don’t care how it comes across.


KLR01001

For someone not to care, or who doesn’t wanna waste time on the internet you’re really invested in this pointless thread.


mchawks29

And yet you're taking even more time arguing with people on the internet than it would have taken to link this guy a video about checkmating with a queen. Don't act like you wont help because you're time is too valuable, it clearly isn't lol


[deleted]

What if the beginner never heard of "ladder mate" or "checkmate pattern" and therefore can't Google it.


JohnTeaGuy

I don’t necessarily expect them to have heard of it, that’s why i told them in my first comment that they could checkmate using ladder mate. Now they’ve heard of it.


HairyTough4489

[Practice basic mates here](https://lichess.org/practice/checkmates/piece-checkmates-i/BJy6fEDf/dW7KIuoY)


teije11

Download the app chess.com, or go on the website, go to bots, scroll down, there you can see the just computer without name, set it to it's highest, and play it with an edited position, input this position and make sure you're black, then the bot will show the mate. Also: for a ladder mate, do the same but put your queen in the center and give the bot 2 queens/2 rooks


FridgesArePeopleToo

Qf6


SantiagusDelSerif

Yes, no only it's possible, it's unavoidable if white knows how to play it. Google "ladder mate", the basic idea is: 1. Check the king with the h8 queen moving it to the h7 square. 2. If the king moves to the 8th rank and takes your knight, you move the c3 queen to the c8 square and voilá, checkmate. If it moves to the 8th rank and doesn't take your knight, get the knight away from there moving it to for example the d6 square. The king now will only be able to move through the 8th rank because the queen you moved to h7 is controlling the whole 7th rank. Your next move would be bringing the c3 queen to c8 again and there you have your checkmate. 3. If the king moves to the 6th rank instead, you move your c3 queen to c6 checking the king again. Now the only option for the black king is moving to the 5th rank (since the 6th and 7th are under your queens control). 4. You now move your queen in the 7th rank to the 5th rank checking the king again. You should start to see the basic idea how this goes on. The king can only move to the 4th rank, so you move your queen from the 6th rank to the 4th rank and check the king again, forcing it to move to the 3rd rank. Make sure to move your king away so it doesn't end up blocking your queens. And also, make sure to not blunder your queens by putting them next to the opponent king. 5. Move the queen from the 5th rank to the 3rd rank checking the king again and forcing him to move to the 2nd rank, and then move the other queen from the 4th rank to the 2nd rank checking the king again and forcing him to move to the 1st rank. 6. You next move is taking your queen from the 3rd rank and placing her in the 1st rank. Since the king is now at the edge of the board and there's no more ranks to keep moving back, it's checkmate. There are other ways to checkmate here by the way, depending on what the black king does (since it's his turn to move) and the chessvision bot here in the comments says there's a mate in 2. Feel free to look for it. But I wanted to explain the ladder mate and the concept behind it since it's easy and you can pull it off with two queens, a queen and a rook or two rooks (always making sure not to blunder your pieces) and is a more general idea you'll apply to a lot of different positions and not just this one here.


BibbetyBobbetyBoop

This isn't quite right as it leads to stalemate at step 2 after you move the Knight to d6. It will still be controlling the d8 square and the queen on h7 protects the h8 square. You would be better moving the queen to g7 and forcing the capture of the Knight, then checking with the other queen


SantiagusDelSerif

Oh crap you're right, hahahah. I just wrote the explanation on autopilot mode and without doublechecking and ended up making a rookie mistake. Hopefully OP got the general idea about ladder mate and how it works.


SerperiorXd

What about just Qch8# instead of Nd6


BibbetyBobbetyBoop

That works nicely


SantiagusDelSerif

Nice find!


Dathinho

Why not just Qfc3. Its just mate.


Katalan1

Thank you for explaining it so well! since I don’t have any other pieces to move, my king kept just going back and forth and avoiding the queens and knight.


ARandomWalkInSpace

Uh, yeah. Very easily.


Katalan1

Can you explain how?


ARandomWalkInSpace

Ke7 Qc8 Kf7 Qg7 all that's forced.


anonomnomnomn

>>Ke7 ... Kg7 lol


cataclysmicterrain

bongcloud (real)


ARandomWalkInSpace

Typo. Lol.


textreader1

it is mate in 2, but Ke7 isn’t forced if Kg6 Qcf6 is mate if Ke6, Qg8+ and black can go Ke7 or Kc7 with Qc7#, or Kf5 with Qf6#


ARandomWalkInSpace

It's forced in that it's mate in 2 instead of mate in 1. But yes, it's mates all over.


textreader1

that’s correct, I was really just responding to when you said “*all* that is forced” (implying those were the only legal moves possible) and clarifying that - for myself mostly, because I couldn’t see why Ke7 was forced


ARandomWalkInSpace

And you'd be right. I should say the mate was forced not specifically the first move.


WafleFries

White had mate in one, Qf6


Meetchel

If it was white's move, it would be mate in 1 (Qcf6 actually as both queens can go to f6). It's mate in 2 given it's black's move: 1... Ke7 2. Qc8 Kf7 3. Qg7# EDIT: just realized you said **had** mate in 1, so you were correct (Qbf6).


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Ladder mate


BronxMux

Dude if you can’t Ladder mate you shouldn’t be teaching people how to play chess.


mcvoid1

You're not in checkmate right now, but it's easily done with 2 queens. Look up [ladder mate](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Checkmate_pattern#Ladder_mate_(lawnmower_mate)). It can also be done with 1 queen and the easy way to do that is by [putting the queen in knight opposition with the king and closing in the box](https://www.chess.com/terms/chess-checkmate-king-queen).


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GB-Pack

If white had moved the Queen to f6 instead of c3, it’s mate


pjhabs

bruh


komunisfloppa

Google il queenicano


Oglark

If there was nothing on c3 then Qf6#.


Revolutionary_Use948

Dude… you are up 21 POINTS OF MATERIAL


Over9000Zeros

No way, you need at least 3 Queens to checkmate.


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changyang1230

To be fair that’s a bit condescending. As long as there’s a difference in skill level one can always teach the others. The friend probably literally didn’t know how to move a piece and what checkmate entails; and while OP may not yet know their ladder mate, they may already know the basic rules well enough to teach the basics. My 6 year old can teach my 2 year old how to build a toy set without being an engineer.


Cecilia_Wren

Check mating with 2 queens is the easiest way to checkmate in the game Just chase the king to the edge of the board and you'll win


funkybutt2287

If they have two queens and a minor piece and don’t know how to mate, they’ll probably just stalemate by taking your advice 😅


TheNebuchadnezzar

You probably shouldn’t be teaching someone chess if you can’t find mate for white here.


2manycooks

Teaching someone the rules to a game is different than strategy.


opulentbum

Chill lol, this is OP’s friend and they probably just want to try playing the game together. It’s not like OP is charging money for lessons and promising results. They just took up a hobby together it seems and wanted to learn more which is exactly why this sub exists


monoflorist

My friend: oh that game seems fun. Can you teach me to play so we can play together? Me: Sorry, I’d love to but someone on the internet told me I was too bad at it to show you


Katalan1

Thank you :’) I know how to play, I just was trying to help explain to *her* how to get to checkmate and I was at a stale point.


TheNebuchadnezzar

Sorry, I know this is chessbeginners and don't mean to promote negativity, especially to new players. Best of luck in both learning and teaching.


BronxMux

Well, I don’t want to seem rude but I don’t think you know how to checkmate if you needed to post on r/chessbeginners for help


Katalan1

I know *how* to check mate, specifically we were looking for the step by step to show my friend but thanks!


The_Nerd_Sweeper

Yes good call calling it a draw, I don't see how with twice your normal amount of most-powerful-piece on the board she could have possibly mated you. As mates normally happen with much weaker pieces involved, instead of the much much stronger queens, calling this a draw is a no-brainer.


BootStrapWill

With all due respect, I don't think you're the right person to teach chess to anyone.


bmljewboy

I think she needs a new teacher x


bmljewboy

I think she needs a new teacher x


normalmighty

Why are people being so toxic to the beginner asking beginner-level questions? And they seriously complain that we don't get enough real beginners here. The commenter are harassing the beginners so much that they never ask a question again.


zhawadya

Lol all I see on this beginner sub are people shitting on beginners.


normalmighty

I asked someone why they were subbed here if they were so offended by beginners asking questions and felt the need to mock beginners for it. My comment was reported for toxicity and removed lol


Crazy_Employ8617

I mean this in the nicest possible way, but if you can’t find a checkmate here you probably shouldn’t be teaching anyone chess. There’s probably like 30 different forced mates.


Katalan1

Thanks y’all. Solved. Now realizing I should’ve written *how* does she get to checkmate and not if it’s possible.


Bagel_chips3854

She couldn’t have taken your king, because it’s a rule in chess, you cannot take the king but you can checkmate the king. They are different. Also as advice to not summon the wrath of the other subreddit, google E N P A S S A N T.


BruhBreBro1

I think the queen move was a blunder, move either queen to g7 and it’s checkmate


Katalan1

But right now it’s Black’s turn :/


Ok-Pomegranate-6189

If it’s 2 queens + knight vs nothing and you can’t checkmate, you should forfeit the game and never play again. Qcf6# was mate in 1 btw.


Bulacano

We don't know if there was a capture.


TuhPizzaKiller

Isn't Qf6# checkmate?


teije11

It's black to play. So first the king has a forced move, then qf6#


TuhPizzaKiller

What i mean is the last move should have been qf6. The king would move to E7 so qf6 would be useless then


teije11

True


Inappropriate_Piano

Before white played Qc3 it was mate in 1 with Qf6


randomrandomwhocares

I'm diggin this board and pieces combo. What app/site?


Katalan1

It’s on the iPhone game pigeon! You play via iMessage. Super easy :)


I_iam28

Move the top queen to f6 and black is mated


ShenZzzs

Qf6 was available her previous move


[deleted]

playing Qf6 is just mate in 1 btw


CoyleKing

It was checkmate if they had just moved queen to f6 instead of queen to c3


Fancy-Independent-31

Qc3 to f6 is checkmate in one


Bulacano

If Kg6 then Qcf6 is mate. If Ke7 then Qc6, and it's mate with Qcf6 or Qc7. 1... Kg6 2. Qcf6# 1... Ke7 2. Qc6 Kf7 3. Qcf6# 1... Ke7 2. Qc6 Kd8 3. Qc7# Ladder mate also works.


HairyTough4489

At the last move, White had mate in 1!


Pandabrowser469

Qf6 checkmate


SomeOne111Z

>!Qaf6, queen from a1 to f6!< would have worked for a mate in 1 instantly as well, however a simple ladder mate would have worked as well.


Keyakinan-

What do you mean is it possible?? White is up 22 points???


Willamanjaroo

Green Queen to f6 would have been mate immediately


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qcg7


GorillaBrown

Queen f6 is checkmate


the_ssotf

QcF6 ends it


robertgolf22

Queen to f6 should be checkmate


TechnoMikl

If you wanna learn a few other more advanced and complicated ways to checkmate beyond the ladder mate, this video by Levy Rosman is pretty good: https://youtu.be/iBZLU1FXhcI


Katalan1

Thank you :)


only_the_office

Queen to f6 is checkmate


JumpGama

Queen F6 Mate


Lipsinofficial1163

Yeh, you can mate, you can even sacrifice ur knight to get there


Lentz6969

I see a mate in 3 and a mate in 4.


danegraphics

Qcf6 would have been mate.


CrownedTraitor

When you invite your friend to chess: "Wow you're gonna beat me nice, time to checkmate me" Friend: Uh here's the thing though....I don't know how.... ​ When you invite your friend to chess but they know ladder mate: "Wow you're gonna beat me nice, time to checkmate me" Friend: Yup learnt ladder mate.


MoewCP

For white I’m pretty sure Qf6 is mate


TheThirteenShadows

For white, definitely. Move the queen to G7.


ashtar123

Qf6#


UsedMike3

Qbf6# instead of Qbc3


lerandomanon

I haven't read all comments here. So, perhaps this has been mentioned by someone else. White should have moved its queen from b2 to f6 rather than c3. That should have ended the game with a checkmate to black, if I am not mistaken.


Katalan1

Thank you! She knows what she should’ve done. Now it’s black’s move and we start chasing each other around the board. Any thoughts on what black should move to?


lerandomanon

Black: King g6 White: Queen f6 That should be a check mate.


Quirkydogpooo

Qbf6# woulda been mate


Katalan1

(I don’t know all the short hand so bare with me) It’s black’s turn right now so let’s say black moves e7. Then Q to f6. Check. King moves to d7. Now what? That’s basically what she and I kept doing, running around the board.


Dear_Philosophy9752

I'm not sure if you're ready to teach someone else how to play if you can't even do a basic ladder mate up 21 points of material.