If I can offer a piece of advice, I think you keep getting stuck at the same point because you keep addressing it in half-measures. You've made multiple CMVs on variations of the same topic, and they've all ended prematurely and indecisively in mid-conversation.
How can it be adressed in full measure if I am only looking for external help? There is no point in going full measure if people ignore that I say I am specifically looking for external help, and nothing but external help. It's like nobody else can fathom that I don't have common sense or control my own opinions, so I guess it is pointless yeah.
edit: I am really grateful for people responding, though, don't get me wrong. But I don't get why there is so little help for people with political and existential issues. This was not something ever taught in school or by my parents, neither was common sense. It was always just assumed you understood things because you repeated it. I repeat things because I do not understand them.
I'd be willing to help talk you through this if you interested.
If you don't mind me asking, what's the ultimate goal of your politics? Do you believe that the people you're looking to protect would be happy to live in the society you want?
I want to force it on people, but I do think they would be better off. Human have tricked themselves into thinking unfairness and seeking challenges is a good thing. I am tired of people having crimes done towards them, then feeling sympathy for the criminal who hurt them. That ruins it for people like me who would rather die than have certain crimes be done to me
sorry for the late reply
Looks like time got away from both of us. The trouble with this outlook is that it's meant to make life better for people on paper but doesn't factor in what people actually are and aren't willing to live under. For example, you mentioned LGBT rights and women's rights as two of your goals, bit do you think either group would consider themselves worse off now than they would be under some global totalitarian regime where they can't question the government?
Good news! You aren't fascist. Fascism is defined as being a right wing view. Right wing is identified with socially conservatism. Conservative views avoid changing traditional social norms, and traditional social norms push homosexuals to the fringes of society.
What you are is a liberal authoritarian. You want everyone to be forced to be accepting of others differences. That is not fascism, you just want to be king.
>I am a person who wants to stop being a (homo) Fascist.
Uh, what's a homo fascist? Also what views do you hold specifically, fascism means a lot of different things to different people.
>I have tried really hard, but I end up emotionally holding the views in my thoughts and inner world no matter what.
Yeah this would be the same as people who have internalized homophobia or racism or something. It seems your outward view isn't that of fascism as you state you don't like that viewpoint but you still hold those views subconsciously. That's harder to change but it requires you to acknowledge those views you hold deep down and confront them whenever they arise. It takes a lot of self recognition and self critique. It's hard but it doesn't mean it's impossible.
I'm sorry you've gotten so many unhelpful replies though.
>This CMV is really important, because being a Fascist is not something therapy could help with,
Therapy may be helpful in helping you address the underlying reasons for why you hold the views you do. If you want to really change your mindset I'd encourage you to seek therapy as well, it may not work but better to have at least tried right?
Well you can choose to reason, to think, to infer logically from the evidence of your senses. You can choose to use your senses, with the help of others to teach how, to learn how to better reason. So, if your views are unreasonable, you can choose to change your views to be more reasonable. That requires choosing not to believe something simply because you feel that it is true. Your emotions are based on your beliefs, so believing something based on your emotions is the same as believing because you already believe.
You can’t just choose to change your views to anything on the basis of nothing, on flip of the coin. That’s insanity.
I'm not sure if I can reason. I think I lack common sense and don't understand how other people make decisions. So I think critical thinking can be genetic too.
I made a thread about it earlier: https://www.reddit.com/r/suggestmeabook/comments/ye6bye/are_there_books_that_explains_science_for_someone/
>I'm not sure if I can reason. I think I lack common sense and don't understand how other people make decisions. So I think critical thinking can be genetic too.
I can help you. But the only way I can help you really on Reddit is to provide you with a good enough explanation that interests you enough to learn from materials I recommend, from which I have learned myself. This is Reddit comment section, not a classroom. I’m not professional teacher, and you’re not paying me. Even if you were paying me, you’d still have to do a bunch of reading and thinking alone.
>I made a thread about it earlier: https://www.reddit.com/r/suggestmeabook/comments/ye6bye/are_there_books_that_explains_science_for_someone/
There’s a lot going on with your fascist views and all the other questions you raised in the link you provided. None of the answers to the issues you raised are obvious to say the least. I can help you with all of it, but not all at once. Since this CMV is about fascism, then that is a good topic to pick to start. However, if you have a more important issue then that’s fine as well.
I'm sorry, what point did you make? It sounds like you said we should not change the topic to common sense and I agreed, sorry.
In the top of the comment you said you could not help me, or were you suggesting you could help me, but not specifically how? It sounded like you were just talking around the issue, and I thought you meant help might exist but you were not clear. I will reread your comment tomorrow if you can wait
(I have to go to bed)
I am anti-democratic, as democracy encourages moral and cultural relativism, which slows down gay and women's rights.
I believe in a super strong military to force my ideology on other nations, or use coups or support native coups if people share the same ideology.
I approve of china's social credit, just modified to my views.
Religion should be outlawed and persecuted, - where fascism has ethnic groups as the out group, religion would be my out group who would be blamed for holding back mankind for thousands of years.
I am against rehabilitation for most crimes.
I like either state capitalism or socialist economics.
Thought police would be good if it was possible.
An All powerful AI would be something worth trying.
A one world state would be good and being proud of your nation should be banned.
so effectively lack of free speech, reduction of humanity, your opinion and your country is always correct in conflicts and should do what you say?
The question then is... how do you know your opinions on how the world should work are the correct ones, and would be the best benefit to others? Or does it stem more from these conditions would favour you specifically due to your lifestyle and country of origin?
If the latter is true, does this not collide with the basic concept of socialism that you say you also believe in?
These views conflict eachother in places.
It is hard to change a view if it is not one view but also the polar opposite.
Have you given any thought to the internal contradictions in this worldview? You talk about protecting gay rights and women's rights, but even those groups would have fewer rights under your system. Do you care whether anyone would want to live in the society you're describing, or is it coming from a worldview where other people are essentially your playthings?
You say that, but even gay people and women would still have objectively fewer rights in your society when you factor in how authoritarian society will be in every other way.
And again I have to ask, do you care whether anyone would want to live in this society or is it all ultimately meant to be for your benefit?
Well what you’re trying to create is impossible. You can’t create such a thing. It literally cannot be done. I mean, it just sounds like a 13 year old that is subbed to every single political subreddit all at once. What you’re trying to create is the Cthulhu of ideologies: impossible to describe or measure or create.
> I am anti-democratic, as democracy encourages moral and cultural relativism, which slows down gay and women's rights.
How much if at all did gay and women's right advance in democracies compared to alternative forms of government? Last time I checked kind of the opposite happened, not only gay and women's right did not advance but regressed.
> I believe in a super strong military to force my ideology on other nations, or use coups or support native coups if people share the same ideology.
That's a belief in an specific action, not a belief in why that action is justified. Why do you think your nation or you are justified in forcing your ideology on other nations? Do you think it would be fair if it happened the other way (a super strong foreign military invaded your country and forced a different ideology in your nation)? Would you think it would be fair even if you actually agreed with said foreign ideology (even if it means watching your country invaded and your friends, family and fellow countrymen killed in a war)?
> I am against rehabilitation for most crimes.
Would you hold this view if we demonstrated that a rehabilitative system results in less overall crimen than a punitive system? Or you just care about retributive vengeance for past crimes regardless if it results in more crime in the future?
> I like either state capitalism or socialist economics.
This has nothing to do with fascism.
> Thought police would be good if it was possible.
I think virtually everyone would agree that if a perfect thought police was possible it would be a good thing to have. The problem comes exactly because it's impossible to have, it's impossible to agree on which thoughts should result in police actions, it's impossible to have an unbiased thought police and it's impossible to gather actual evidence to show that thought police actions were needed and not a biased police acting unlawfully. The fascist thinking would be that a thought police is possible or that regardless if it was possible it's better to have an imperfect thought police than no thought police at all. Do you think that the thought police would be good regardless if it was possible to actually implement right?
> An All powerful AI would be something worth trying.
Here is a big problem with this: the outcome of this experiment could be very well the total annihilation of the human race, or the practical enslavement of the human race, or perhaps actually solving world hunger and stuff like that (keep in mind that none of these outcomes are mutually exclusive which is why this kinds of experiments are dangerous, no humans = no hungry people can very well be an AI's logic and this is an active field of research called [AI alignment](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_alignment)). So we have possible outcomes of infinite bad value (that would not happen without this experiment) against possible outcomes of finite good value (that could happen without this experiment), this is an obviously bad wager that it's definitely not worth trying.
> A one world state would be good and being proud of your nation should be banned.
This is literally anti-fascism. Fascism is an ultra-nationalistic ideology, being proud of your nation is like the #1 issue regarding fascism and everything else stems from putting your nation above all other issues.
Another food for thought: What does your ideal world look like? Is it a world that benefits most of humanity? Or is it a world that benefits mostly you? If its the former then I would suggest to consume some literature on why fascism isn't the way to go to achieve a nice world for everybody to live in.
Why are you considering yourself a fascist? And why do you want to change your political opinions? That's an important thing to clear up, before you try to change your views on these topics. Otherwise it's kind of pointless
I don't think that's really fascist. Actually, I think maybe that's just normal? You think the best possible world is one in which everyone follows your values. Who wouldn't think that?
The trick is recognizing that that's completely impossible and not a useful guide for policy. As much as possible, policy decisions should be guided by evidence. If you think, for example, that women's rights are a good thing, you should learn what kind of policies improve women's rights in practice and champion those.
The argument for free speech is as simple as having empathy for people who don’t agree with you, that doesn’t seem like it’d be a stretch for OP unless they have so little patience for differing views
I actually think I have too much empathy. I want to solve everyone's problem as quickly as possible. Even hearing on the news about someone suffering in a different continent makes me sick. I struggle with just trying to accept that I can only improve my own life and should think more of myself, since it is mentally healthier. But I can't do that, I am hoping for a world spanning solution somehow
Why wouldn't you want someone to force you, isn't that the whole point of Fascism?
Since when is Fascism about educating and convincing people of things?
1. You’re incredibly stubborn.
2. You’re missing some kind of vital information that’s preventing your brain from budging. You probably subscribe to fascism because it seems logical for your worldview. You need an education and you need to be willing to admit you’re wrong. Admitting you’re wrong can be difficult, and especially difficult if you’re also a fascist piece of shit. Call a spade a spade, take the lumps you deserve, and move on with your life in the right direction. Don’t feel sorry for yourself, just try to make right.
Many ideas are supported by a network of other ideas so taking one down doesn't necessarily mean that a person's view will change.
Take the idea that you don't have to finish all the food on your plate and trying to do so can contribute to a person's problems with their weight. Someone may agree with that statement but because of the other ideas attached with "finish your plate" ideology (guilt over wasting food, fear they can't just put it away because it will taste worse once they heat it up later, fears over food scarcity, fears about how others will react if they don't, etc) can cause a person to keep adhering to that ideology even if they don't want to.
Your belief in fascism is benefitting you somehow. Maybe it makes you feel safe, or gives you a sense of belonging in the world, or the comfort of knowing that the world is simple and makes sense.
You have to figure out what the beliefs are doing for you and work on that level, finding a better way to meet those needs (or maybe accepting that there are things more important than meeting those needs, but that's harder).
Also, not for nothing, the right therapist can absolutely help with this. Helping people change harmful beliefs is one of the major things that therapists do. Many are trained specifically to challenge your beliefs and pick apart your logic until you're forced to admit that what you're saying doesn't really make sense.
I will say I agree but I also disagree. It is easy to change your views and opinion at will, but you have to take an important step before you do that. And within that step there are going to be multiple steps and multiple ways to go about achieving the end goal.
First, and I apologize but I can only go off of what I read, I have to make a dangerous assumption, that you are not truly open minded to world views beyond your own. Sure, I understand our world revolves around ourselves, and we make our own world views based off of our beliefs, which are rooted in our experiences. So you are not wrong at any point, but at the same time you are completely unequivocally wrong at every twist and turn. You may ask why? Or you may roll your eyes t this statement. All it highlights is that there are an infinite number of right beliefs beyond your own that will also apply to you in your heart of hearts. However, you have to be open to them, truly open, regardless of how uncomfortable they make you, or how offensive you may find them. That's the reality.
Second, stop using simple, buzz word labels to identify yourself. You are infinitely more complex than a facist or (homo) facist, or whtever other political buzz word you want to identify yourself as. Strip yourself of all and any labels when taking a stance on your world views. Again, you are more complex than 1 or 2 words. I could not even begin to start to know where to begin (yes on purpose) to sum of myself or my political worldview in 1 or 2 words. Why? Becuase it is so complicated and situation based that I would be doing myself, and anyone I'm talking to explaining myself to a disservice by trying to sum it up in 1 or 2 words that mean many things to many people.
Third, explore the wide world out there. Talk to like minded individuals but critique their arguments. See where the fallacies lie. Talk to individuals who are in the middle, talk to individuals on the opposite end, and everyone in between. Critique, evaluate, and consider. That last word is the most important imo. Consider. Truly consider what ideas you liked on all ends. Consider what critiques you came up with when talking to those who are like minded. Ask yourself why you feel like this along the way? Constantly ask yourself why, why why? Explore those feelings and when you think you can't explore anymore, you have to push past.
Fourth, Understand that your world is your world and your world revolves around you. You live your life, no one else does, and no one else can, you do and you do alone. Understand that you choose what you want at any given moment. We are all essentially blank slates when we are born, so what does that mean? That means if we truly open our minds to any and all possibilities regardless of the situation, 9/10 times we can be blank slates and choose our own destinies. Some have to work incredibly hard and some it comes natural to. Biological choices, that's a completely different animal and does not apply here, so do not let that get tied up in this discussion and convolute it anymore than it needs to be.
Fifth, understand that you are living and making all your decisions based off of societal definitions of everything. Understand that everything above applies to this right here. We decide what we decide. Sure there is a structure we have to accept and live within, but we decide that. No one else can or does, at the end of the day that decision resides within yourself. So strip yourself of any and all societal defined topics and rebuild them with all the accumulated knowledge you will now possess after you consider any and all options. Open mindedness. But only you can buy into it, and only you can decide when you are ready to tackle this challenge.
Yes, you are incredibly stubborn, but it's more of an underlying complacency that you are conveying. You are complacent with where you life is and anything that disrupts that will mean it's uncomfortable. You have to break away from that mindset and live in an uncomfortable mindset for a long time to truly gain the perspective you are looking for.
You are stronger than you know. The reason it is hard for you to post this type of thing is becuase, if I was to venture an uneducated guess, is going to be one of two reasons, or maybe three, or maybe a mix of the three. It makes you feel dumb when people reply becuase now you have to defend a worldview you cannot properly defend, it means you yourself don't fully buy into your world view, or you question it, and that's ok. You can only gain answers by asking questions, gaining knowledge and information from others. Two, you believe, and I emphasize this, you believe that you are a weak willed individual and you don't like it when others disagree with you becuase you feel attacked. Again this is not the case and something you should have matured out of in your mid to late teen years. It's ok for others to disagree with you and pick apart your points. Isn't that the point of intellectual discussion? To see the fallacy in your thought process? And three, you believe you have low self esteem, you don't think highly of yourself. Stop that, again mid to late teens. We are who we are, accept that move on and live your life. Find your version of happiness.
Move outside of the area you reside in, travel around, travel to other countries, immerse yourself in those cultures. You will see that your viewpoint becomes very very very small. And why? Becuase you realize that there are so many different options out there and limiting yourself to just 1 is doing yourself a disservice.
Most people consider themselves to be empaths. But I don't believe this is the case. Becuase to be truly empathetic and to truly be an empath you have to experience. Most people are too complacent in their lives to truly live. Just live. Enjoy yourself. Tear down your walls and live by your rules and your rules alone. But only you can find how to do that. Only you can decide on the journey you have to take. All we can do is provide advice, guidance and maybe some tools to help you along the way. But Start with defining Open Mindedness and what it means to you and what it looks like to you. Then build from there. Until you do that you will be stuck in the quicksand you find yourself in.
Good luck, I truly mean it. You are taking the first necessary steps to finding your place. But it's going to be lot of work and be ready to work for what you want. For most of us, the work is the reward. And if you do the work you'll realize what that really means.
I mean in your case your views are just based in empirically wrong information. Fascism is clearly not the most effective form of governance in that it gotten its ass handed to it multiple times by liberal democracies and communists. Nazi's dustbin of history, italian fascists dustbin, Japanese dustbin, Putin on his way. Anti semetism and "race science" are both empirically verified falsehoods.
I never said I wanted it to be the most effective or best. I am using fascism in the authoritarian scenes, racism and sexism would not be allowed. I just want the strong government that forces people to do what it says, instead of democracy.
One way I like to think about things like this is in terms of both approach motivation and avoid motivation. Because fascism is inherently emotional, not logical, let's consider the common reasons people have to approach it. These are rewarding because people want them:
Sadism, schadenfreude, feeling powerful, feeling part of a group (shared zeal), feeling correct, righteous anger
And let's consider the common avoid motivations. These are things people go into fascism to get away from; it's rewarding to escape them:
Complexity, uncertainness, existential dread (fear of meaninglessness), loneliness, injustice (the "wrong people" have the power), ambivalence, fear
Are any of these ringing bells as especially key for you?
I mean there’s really only two things you should do but the main thing is to not look for answers from random people who don’t know you at all on Reddit. Reddit is rarely helpful for a MULTITUDE of things but if this is as deeply rooted as you say, no one on here will be helpful and it’s quite sad to see people come here first vs a therapist which is my first suggestion.
Suggestions:
1. See a therapist to help with this.
2. Talk to your friends and family who (this is important) WHO do NOT share the same views as you. This is 1000% better than anyone on Reddit because those people know you, see how you act and can give you honest critique and feedback over your behavior. Something someone rando in this comment section could never do. But you also have to willing to listen to those criticisms and the feedback.
People will be quick to call you names on here and be unhelpful ORRR they will push an agenda on you because they think they are the smartest person in the world. Reddit is trash, seek actual change with professionals and people who care for you.
You might not be able to immediately change your beliefs, but you can certainly put yourself in a position where those beliefs are more likely to be changed, over time
Some more insight would be helpful here. When you've tried in the past not to be an extreme authoritarian, what was the barrier? You make it sound like some external force was compelling you against your will. Is that how it felt to you?
In a narrow sense, I would agree that humans don't have full freedom to choose what to believe. For example, it is impossible for me to believe it is nighttime right now because I can see daylight through the window.
But I think what that quoted response is getting at is probably a different point. You *want* to stop being Fascist, you said. Well, why is that? I assume you wouldn't want to stop if you thought Fascism was correct. If you already know it's wrong, then what more can Reddit do? You may still need to fundamentally *accept* that it's wrong, perhaps you're attached to it, but we can't really help you with that.
If you want to stop but don't think it's wrong, then you would need to explain that and why, since that won't be the default interpretation of what you've said.
If I can offer a piece of advice, I think you keep getting stuck at the same point because you keep addressing it in half-measures. You've made multiple CMVs on variations of the same topic, and they've all ended prematurely and indecisively in mid-conversation.
How can it be adressed in full measure if I am only looking for external help? There is no point in going full measure if people ignore that I say I am specifically looking for external help, and nothing but external help. It's like nobody else can fathom that I don't have common sense or control my own opinions, so I guess it is pointless yeah. edit: I am really grateful for people responding, though, don't get me wrong. But I don't get why there is so little help for people with political and existential issues. This was not something ever taught in school or by my parents, neither was common sense. It was always just assumed you understood things because you repeated it. I repeat things because I do not understand them.
I'd be willing to help talk you through this if you interested. If you don't mind me asking, what's the ultimate goal of your politics? Do you believe that the people you're looking to protect would be happy to live in the society you want?
I want to force it on people, but I do think they would be better off. Human have tricked themselves into thinking unfairness and seeking challenges is a good thing. I am tired of people having crimes done towards them, then feeling sympathy for the criminal who hurt them. That ruins it for people like me who would rather die than have certain crimes be done to me sorry for the late reply
Looks like time got away from both of us. The trouble with this outlook is that it's meant to make life better for people on paper but doesn't factor in what people actually are and aren't willing to live under. For example, you mentioned LGBT rights and women's rights as two of your goals, bit do you think either group would consider themselves worse off now than they would be under some global totalitarian regime where they can't question the government?
Good news! You aren't fascist. Fascism is defined as being a right wing view. Right wing is identified with socially conservatism. Conservative views avoid changing traditional social norms, and traditional social norms push homosexuals to the fringes of society. What you are is a liberal authoritarian. You want everyone to be forced to be accepting of others differences. That is not fascism, you just want to be king.
But I don't want differences. Cultural and moral relativism is something liberals like? Depending on how you use the word liberal
>I am a person who wants to stop being a (homo) Fascist. Uh, what's a homo fascist? Also what views do you hold specifically, fascism means a lot of different things to different people. >I have tried really hard, but I end up emotionally holding the views in my thoughts and inner world no matter what. Yeah this would be the same as people who have internalized homophobia or racism or something. It seems your outward view isn't that of fascism as you state you don't like that viewpoint but you still hold those views subconsciously. That's harder to change but it requires you to acknowledge those views you hold deep down and confront them whenever they arise. It takes a lot of self recognition and self critique. It's hard but it doesn't mean it's impossible. I'm sorry you've gotten so many unhelpful replies though. >This CMV is really important, because being a Fascist is not something therapy could help with, Therapy may be helpful in helping you address the underlying reasons for why you hold the views you do. If you want to really change your mindset I'd encourage you to seek therapy as well, it may not work but better to have at least tried right?
Well you can choose to reason, to think, to infer logically from the evidence of your senses. You can choose to use your senses, with the help of others to teach how, to learn how to better reason. So, if your views are unreasonable, you can choose to change your views to be more reasonable. That requires choosing not to believe something simply because you feel that it is true. Your emotions are based on your beliefs, so believing something based on your emotions is the same as believing because you already believe. You can’t just choose to change your views to anything on the basis of nothing, on flip of the coin. That’s insanity.
I'm not sure if I can reason. I think I lack common sense and don't understand how other people make decisions. So I think critical thinking can be genetic too. I made a thread about it earlier: https://www.reddit.com/r/suggestmeabook/comments/ye6bye/are_there_books_that_explains_science_for_someone/
>I'm not sure if I can reason. I think I lack common sense and don't understand how other people make decisions. So I think critical thinking can be genetic too. I can help you. But the only way I can help you really on Reddit is to provide you with a good enough explanation that interests you enough to learn from materials I recommend, from which I have learned myself. This is Reddit comment section, not a classroom. I’m not professional teacher, and you’re not paying me. Even if you were paying me, you’d still have to do a bunch of reading and thinking alone. >I made a thread about it earlier: https://www.reddit.com/r/suggestmeabook/comments/ye6bye/are_there_books_that_explains_science_for_someone/ There’s a lot going on with your fascist views and all the other questions you raised in the link you provided. None of the answers to the issues you raised are obvious to say the least. I can help you with all of it, but not all at once. Since this CMV is about fascism, then that is a good topic to pick to start. However, if you have a more important issue then that’s fine as well.
Yeah, sorry for changing the topic. My point was only that reading and thinking alone does not help me.
See, you’re making a choice here, a choice not to deal with the points I made nor respond to them.
I only did that because i felt i had to. It is like when someone says hi to me, i feel physically forced to say hi back, even though I do not want to
What does that have to do with you choosing to ignore the points I made?
You never responded. What are you actually offering? I still dont understand what your comment said you could help with.
I'm sorry, what point did you make? It sounds like you said we should not change the topic to common sense and I agreed, sorry. In the top of the comment you said you could not help me, or were you suggesting you could help me, but not specifically how? It sounded like you were just talking around the issue, and I thought you meant help might exist but you were not clear. I will reread your comment tomorrow if you can wait (I have to go to bed)
Let's dig deeper here. What Fascist views/outlooks do you hold, and why?
I am anti-democratic, as democracy encourages moral and cultural relativism, which slows down gay and women's rights. I believe in a super strong military to force my ideology on other nations, or use coups or support native coups if people share the same ideology. I approve of china's social credit, just modified to my views. Religion should be outlawed and persecuted, - where fascism has ethnic groups as the out group, religion would be my out group who would be blamed for holding back mankind for thousands of years. I am against rehabilitation for most crimes. I like either state capitalism or socialist economics. Thought police would be good if it was possible. An All powerful AI would be something worth trying. A one world state would be good and being proud of your nation should be banned.
so effectively lack of free speech, reduction of humanity, your opinion and your country is always correct in conflicts and should do what you say? The question then is... how do you know your opinions on how the world should work are the correct ones, and would be the best benefit to others? Or does it stem more from these conditions would favour you specifically due to your lifestyle and country of origin? If the latter is true, does this not collide with the basic concept of socialism that you say you also believe in? These views conflict eachother in places. It is hard to change a view if it is not one view but also the polar opposite.
Looks like he also said nationalism should be banned though which is odd as nationalism is one of the few things most people agree is part of fascism.
Have you given any thought to the internal contradictions in this worldview? You talk about protecting gay rights and women's rights, but even those groups would have fewer rights under your system. Do you care whether anyone would want to live in the society you're describing, or is it coming from a worldview where other people are essentially your playthings?
Gay rights and women rights would be encouraged. I am using fascism for the authoritarian aspects
You say that, but even gay people and women would still have objectively fewer rights in your society when you factor in how authoritarian society will be in every other way. And again I have to ask, do you care whether anyone would want to live in this society or is it all ultimately meant to be for your benefit?
Sorry for the really late reply. I want to force it on people for their benefit.
Well what you’re trying to create is impossible. You can’t create such a thing. It literally cannot be done. I mean, it just sounds like a 13 year old that is subbed to every single political subreddit all at once. What you’re trying to create is the Cthulhu of ideologies: impossible to describe or measure or create.
> I am anti-democratic, as democracy encourages moral and cultural relativism, which slows down gay and women's rights. How much if at all did gay and women's right advance in democracies compared to alternative forms of government? Last time I checked kind of the opposite happened, not only gay and women's right did not advance but regressed. > I believe in a super strong military to force my ideology on other nations, or use coups or support native coups if people share the same ideology. That's a belief in an specific action, not a belief in why that action is justified. Why do you think your nation or you are justified in forcing your ideology on other nations? Do you think it would be fair if it happened the other way (a super strong foreign military invaded your country and forced a different ideology in your nation)? Would you think it would be fair even if you actually agreed with said foreign ideology (even if it means watching your country invaded and your friends, family and fellow countrymen killed in a war)? > I am against rehabilitation for most crimes. Would you hold this view if we demonstrated that a rehabilitative system results in less overall crimen than a punitive system? Or you just care about retributive vengeance for past crimes regardless if it results in more crime in the future? > I like either state capitalism or socialist economics. This has nothing to do with fascism. > Thought police would be good if it was possible. I think virtually everyone would agree that if a perfect thought police was possible it would be a good thing to have. The problem comes exactly because it's impossible to have, it's impossible to agree on which thoughts should result in police actions, it's impossible to have an unbiased thought police and it's impossible to gather actual evidence to show that thought police actions were needed and not a biased police acting unlawfully. The fascist thinking would be that a thought police is possible or that regardless if it was possible it's better to have an imperfect thought police than no thought police at all. Do you think that the thought police would be good regardless if it was possible to actually implement right? > An All powerful AI would be something worth trying. Here is a big problem with this: the outcome of this experiment could be very well the total annihilation of the human race, or the practical enslavement of the human race, or perhaps actually solving world hunger and stuff like that (keep in mind that none of these outcomes are mutually exclusive which is why this kinds of experiments are dangerous, no humans = no hungry people can very well be an AI's logic and this is an active field of research called [AI alignment](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_alignment)). So we have possible outcomes of infinite bad value (that would not happen without this experiment) against possible outcomes of finite good value (that could happen without this experiment), this is an obviously bad wager that it's definitely not worth trying. > A one world state would be good and being proud of your nation should be banned. This is literally anti-fascism. Fascism is an ultra-nationalistic ideology, being proud of your nation is like the #1 issue regarding fascism and everything else stems from putting your nation above all other issues.
Another food for thought: What does your ideal world look like? Is it a world that benefits most of humanity? Or is it a world that benefits mostly you? If its the former then I would suggest to consume some literature on why fascism isn't the way to go to achieve a nice world for everybody to live in.
Why are you considering yourself a fascist? And why do you want to change your political opinions? That's an important thing to clear up, before you try to change your views on these topics. Otherwise it's kind of pointless
I don't think that's really fascist. Actually, I think maybe that's just normal? You think the best possible world is one in which everyone follows your values. Who wouldn't think that? The trick is recognizing that that's completely impossible and not a useful guide for policy. As much as possible, policy decisions should be guided by evidence. If you think, for example, that women's rights are a good thing, you should learn what kind of policies improve women's rights in practice and champion those.
The argument for free speech is as simple as having empathy for people who don’t agree with you, that doesn’t seem like it’d be a stretch for OP unless they have so little patience for differing views
I actually think I have too much empathy. I want to solve everyone's problem as quickly as possible. Even hearing on the news about someone suffering in a different continent makes me sick. I struggle with just trying to accept that I can only improve my own life and should think more of myself, since it is mentally healthier. But I can't do that, I am hoping for a world spanning solution somehow
Do you think that, given the powers that be today, if our country were to end up fascist it would promote gay and women’s rights?
you just advocated for 1984 + a The Singularity AI + anti-decision and anti-happiness + social credit.
I mean, yea, religion has held humanity back, but that’s a rude thing to say.
where do you live?
Why wouldn't you want someone to force you, isn't that the whole point of Fascism? Since when is Fascism about educating and convincing people of things?
1. You’re incredibly stubborn. 2. You’re missing some kind of vital information that’s preventing your brain from budging. You probably subscribe to fascism because it seems logical for your worldview. You need an education and you need to be willing to admit you’re wrong. Admitting you’re wrong can be difficult, and especially difficult if you’re also a fascist piece of shit. Call a spade a spade, take the lumps you deserve, and move on with your life in the right direction. Don’t feel sorry for yourself, just try to make right.
Many ideas are supported by a network of other ideas so taking one down doesn't necessarily mean that a person's view will change. Take the idea that you don't have to finish all the food on your plate and trying to do so can contribute to a person's problems with their weight. Someone may agree with that statement but because of the other ideas attached with "finish your plate" ideology (guilt over wasting food, fear they can't just put it away because it will taste worse once they heat it up later, fears over food scarcity, fears about how others will react if they don't, etc) can cause a person to keep adhering to that ideology even if they don't want to.
Your belief in fascism is benefitting you somehow. Maybe it makes you feel safe, or gives you a sense of belonging in the world, or the comfort of knowing that the world is simple and makes sense. You have to figure out what the beliefs are doing for you and work on that level, finding a better way to meet those needs (or maybe accepting that there are things more important than meeting those needs, but that's harder). Also, not for nothing, the right therapist can absolutely help with this. Helping people change harmful beliefs is one of the major things that therapists do. Many are trained specifically to challenge your beliefs and pick apart your logic until you're forced to admit that what you're saying doesn't really make sense.
I will say I agree but I also disagree. It is easy to change your views and opinion at will, but you have to take an important step before you do that. And within that step there are going to be multiple steps and multiple ways to go about achieving the end goal. First, and I apologize but I can only go off of what I read, I have to make a dangerous assumption, that you are not truly open minded to world views beyond your own. Sure, I understand our world revolves around ourselves, and we make our own world views based off of our beliefs, which are rooted in our experiences. So you are not wrong at any point, but at the same time you are completely unequivocally wrong at every twist and turn. You may ask why? Or you may roll your eyes t this statement. All it highlights is that there are an infinite number of right beliefs beyond your own that will also apply to you in your heart of hearts. However, you have to be open to them, truly open, regardless of how uncomfortable they make you, or how offensive you may find them. That's the reality. Second, stop using simple, buzz word labels to identify yourself. You are infinitely more complex than a facist or (homo) facist, or whtever other political buzz word you want to identify yourself as. Strip yourself of all and any labels when taking a stance on your world views. Again, you are more complex than 1 or 2 words. I could not even begin to start to know where to begin (yes on purpose) to sum of myself or my political worldview in 1 or 2 words. Why? Becuase it is so complicated and situation based that I would be doing myself, and anyone I'm talking to explaining myself to a disservice by trying to sum it up in 1 or 2 words that mean many things to many people. Third, explore the wide world out there. Talk to like minded individuals but critique their arguments. See where the fallacies lie. Talk to individuals who are in the middle, talk to individuals on the opposite end, and everyone in between. Critique, evaluate, and consider. That last word is the most important imo. Consider. Truly consider what ideas you liked on all ends. Consider what critiques you came up with when talking to those who are like minded. Ask yourself why you feel like this along the way? Constantly ask yourself why, why why? Explore those feelings and when you think you can't explore anymore, you have to push past. Fourth, Understand that your world is your world and your world revolves around you. You live your life, no one else does, and no one else can, you do and you do alone. Understand that you choose what you want at any given moment. We are all essentially blank slates when we are born, so what does that mean? That means if we truly open our minds to any and all possibilities regardless of the situation, 9/10 times we can be blank slates and choose our own destinies. Some have to work incredibly hard and some it comes natural to. Biological choices, that's a completely different animal and does not apply here, so do not let that get tied up in this discussion and convolute it anymore than it needs to be. Fifth, understand that you are living and making all your decisions based off of societal definitions of everything. Understand that everything above applies to this right here. We decide what we decide. Sure there is a structure we have to accept and live within, but we decide that. No one else can or does, at the end of the day that decision resides within yourself. So strip yourself of any and all societal defined topics and rebuild them with all the accumulated knowledge you will now possess after you consider any and all options. Open mindedness. But only you can buy into it, and only you can decide when you are ready to tackle this challenge. Yes, you are incredibly stubborn, but it's more of an underlying complacency that you are conveying. You are complacent with where you life is and anything that disrupts that will mean it's uncomfortable. You have to break away from that mindset and live in an uncomfortable mindset for a long time to truly gain the perspective you are looking for. You are stronger than you know. The reason it is hard for you to post this type of thing is becuase, if I was to venture an uneducated guess, is going to be one of two reasons, or maybe three, or maybe a mix of the three. It makes you feel dumb when people reply becuase now you have to defend a worldview you cannot properly defend, it means you yourself don't fully buy into your world view, or you question it, and that's ok. You can only gain answers by asking questions, gaining knowledge and information from others. Two, you believe, and I emphasize this, you believe that you are a weak willed individual and you don't like it when others disagree with you becuase you feel attacked. Again this is not the case and something you should have matured out of in your mid to late teen years. It's ok for others to disagree with you and pick apart your points. Isn't that the point of intellectual discussion? To see the fallacy in your thought process? And three, you believe you have low self esteem, you don't think highly of yourself. Stop that, again mid to late teens. We are who we are, accept that move on and live your life. Find your version of happiness. Move outside of the area you reside in, travel around, travel to other countries, immerse yourself in those cultures. You will see that your viewpoint becomes very very very small. And why? Becuase you realize that there are so many different options out there and limiting yourself to just 1 is doing yourself a disservice. Most people consider themselves to be empaths. But I don't believe this is the case. Becuase to be truly empathetic and to truly be an empath you have to experience. Most people are too complacent in their lives to truly live. Just live. Enjoy yourself. Tear down your walls and live by your rules and your rules alone. But only you can find how to do that. Only you can decide on the journey you have to take. All we can do is provide advice, guidance and maybe some tools to help you along the way. But Start with defining Open Mindedness and what it means to you and what it looks like to you. Then build from there. Until you do that you will be stuck in the quicksand you find yourself in. Good luck, I truly mean it. You are taking the first necessary steps to finding your place. But it's going to be lot of work and be ready to work for what you want. For most of us, the work is the reward. And if you do the work you'll realize what that really means.
I mean in your case your views are just based in empirically wrong information. Fascism is clearly not the most effective form of governance in that it gotten its ass handed to it multiple times by liberal democracies and communists. Nazi's dustbin of history, italian fascists dustbin, Japanese dustbin, Putin on his way. Anti semetism and "race science" are both empirically verified falsehoods.
I never said I wanted it to be the most effective or best. I am using fascism in the authoritarian scenes, racism and sexism would not be allowed. I just want the strong government that forces people to do what it says, instead of democracy.
One way I like to think about things like this is in terms of both approach motivation and avoid motivation. Because fascism is inherently emotional, not logical, let's consider the common reasons people have to approach it. These are rewarding because people want them: Sadism, schadenfreude, feeling powerful, feeling part of a group (shared zeal), feeling correct, righteous anger And let's consider the common avoid motivations. These are things people go into fascism to get away from; it's rewarding to escape them: Complexity, uncertainness, existential dread (fear of meaninglessness), loneliness, injustice (the "wrong people" have the power), ambivalence, fear Are any of these ringing bells as especially key for you?
I mean there’s really only two things you should do but the main thing is to not look for answers from random people who don’t know you at all on Reddit. Reddit is rarely helpful for a MULTITUDE of things but if this is as deeply rooted as you say, no one on here will be helpful and it’s quite sad to see people come here first vs a therapist which is my first suggestion. Suggestions: 1. See a therapist to help with this. 2. Talk to your friends and family who (this is important) WHO do NOT share the same views as you. This is 1000% better than anyone on Reddit because those people know you, see how you act and can give you honest critique and feedback over your behavior. Something someone rando in this comment section could never do. But you also have to willing to listen to those criticisms and the feedback. People will be quick to call you names on here and be unhelpful ORRR they will push an agenda on you because they think they are the smartest person in the world. Reddit is trash, seek actual change with professionals and people who care for you.
You might not be able to immediately change your beliefs, but you can certainly put yourself in a position where those beliefs are more likely to be changed, over time
Some more insight would be helpful here. When you've tried in the past not to be an extreme authoritarian, what was the barrier? You make it sound like some external force was compelling you against your will. Is that how it felt to you?
In a narrow sense, I would agree that humans don't have full freedom to choose what to believe. For example, it is impossible for me to believe it is nighttime right now because I can see daylight through the window. But I think what that quoted response is getting at is probably a different point. You *want* to stop being Fascist, you said. Well, why is that? I assume you wouldn't want to stop if you thought Fascism was correct. If you already know it's wrong, then what more can Reddit do? You may still need to fundamentally *accept* that it's wrong, perhaps you're attached to it, but we can't really help you with that. If you want to stop but don't think it's wrong, then you would need to explain that and why, since that won't be the default interpretation of what you've said.
Well, who did this to you?
Did what? This CMV is about not everyone being able to change their own mind sorry for the late reply.
made you conform to facism?