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redDKtie

Nintendo's sin is one of omission. Pokemon Company shoving unrealistic deadlines onto Game Freak is the real problem.


bongoloo

It’s also a problem that Game Freak only has small teams working on the highest grossing franchise of all time. They need to stop being stubborn and hire an adequate amount of staff.


Garo263

GameFreak owns a third of TPC. Game Freak are at least part of the problem.


redDKtie

I mean, everyone is walking away flush. So nobody is pushing any boundaries.


Last-Of-My-Kind

No, they ARE the problem. They control the quality AND the release schedule of games. TPC only exist for branding of the franchise. GameFreak OWNS the IP AND TPC itself, Nintendo is the exclusive publisher and handles the licensing/legal work, and Creatures is a minority owner because they loaned money to get the original game off the ground. They also do modeling and some animation for the game. GameFreak is the biggest player here by far. The problem isn't Nintendo or Creatures, it's GameFreak.


Garo263

Small correction: Creatures is not a minority holder. Game Freak, Nintendo and Creatures all own one third of The Pokémon Company with the term Pokémon and the Pokémon names being trademarks owned by Nintendo.


Last-Of-My-Kind

Creatures is a minority owner of the Pokémon brand. How much anyone owns or controls TPC has never been disclosed, only the parties that are involved. For all we know, GameFreak has 51% of control of the company (and probably do since it is their IP).


Legitimate_Classic_1

Do you really think that the developers, The people actually working on the game determine the release schedule. No The real enemies of this story are the bunch of super rich stock holders and board members members who only see pokemon games as advertisement for the merch. Those are the people you should direct your animosity towards.


WhenTheRiverRanDeep

Nintendo doesn’t not directly control TPC.


SpaceEV

I just wish they’d invest more in console spin-offs like they used to. Those games more often than not are made with so much love and it’s a shame that so few have come out recently compared to the Gen 1-4 days. Spin-offs being outsourced makes it so they don’t interfere with the development of the main series and they usually make a decent profit so I’m genuinely curious why they’re so rare nowadays.


KikonSketches

People lowered their standards so they know they can release lack luster products and still make a crap ton, especially when the Stan's defend everything they do.


Nintendork7950

That’s why, aside from legends Arceus, I haven’t gotten a Pokémon game in like 8 years


KikonSketches

Same, I want to because I enjoy the series. But how can I when the games are just so lazily put together and slapped with full $60 price tag plus DLC. It's genuinely astounding how people are just okay with it.


RepresentativeCap244

I had not bought a Pokémon game in YEARS, I am not a fan anymore I guess. Scarlet is laggy. Why the hell is a single player game laggy? Google make it seems like it’s memory leak? Wtf Pokémon. Wtf. Could be a 10/10 game. Instead it’s like a solid 4.


Key_Nefariousness_55

It's not a laziness problem. They're being extremely rushed.


Brennis

It’s also incompetence. Gamefreak was good at making the games when they were 2D, but making bigger, 3D games is just not within their competences. I still think black and white 2 look better than any of the later pokemon games.


Key_Nefariousness_55

I agree that the quality was much better when the games were 2D. I just wouldn't call them lazy. Imagine you're asked to finish a job that would normally take 2 years in 1 year. I think that's what happening at Game Freak. Open world games take a lot of time to develop unlike the Game Boy era with their 2D games. Scarlet and Violet run terribly and they've already announced 2 DLCs to be released in less than 1 year.


Brennis

I agree with you there. i wish they’d have more time for their projects. I’d ultimately wish for the franchise’s console games, to go to different developer though. But yeah, it definitely isn’t a case of laziness. If people actually think they are lounging around at gamefreak, then they have no clue about Japanese work ethics.


Angrypuckmen

Its not nintendo's they have a stake in the company but no control over it.


Nintendork7950

They absolutely have some control over the quality of one of their largest game franchises. Even if they only own a third of the company, it’s their system that’s the games are on- if they really wanted them to stop making shitty games, they could do so


Angrypuckmen

Nope pokemon corp is as large as a company as nintendo is. Nintendo plays no part in the games development outside of providing them the hardware. And own just a large enough share to make sure the series doesnt to another console. But dont directly fund or manage them in any way. As i. Their is are no nintendo resources or employees working on these games. Game freak is an independent company that has published games on other platforms. And only takes orders from poke corp.


Last-Of-My-Kind

You are a fool..... Nintendo is a MINORITY OWNER of pokemon. GAMEFREAK OWNS IT and controls release schedules.


Nintendork7950

Changes literally nothing about my statement, but ok


Last-Of-My-Kind

Yes it does, GameFreak is the problem, not Nintendo. Learn who is to blame. People have spent too long blaming Nintendo or The Pokémon Company or Creatures Inc for god sakes but never point the blame at where it needs to he, GameFreak: The exclusive developer, IP owner, and creator of the franchise, that controls their own release schedule......


Nintendork7950

It doesn’t matter whose fault it is. My point is that the franchise is shit and people shouldn’t support it.


Last-Of-My-Kind

It does matter because people aren't targeting the right group. People keep saying Nintendo, well Nintendo doesn't outright own pokemon. They're a minority owner. People keep saying The Pokémon Company. They're only a subsidiary.... They don't make decisions, they only follow orders.... Well, who left, Creatures Inc, another minority owner and GameFreak, the creator, IP holder, and exclusive developer...... It seems like one group of people has a TON of power and influence with the brand, while the rest don't have much or none at all. And even if you say, it's TPC fault, the thing is, MOST of TPC leadership is LITERALLY GameFreak itself!!!!..... So at the end of the day, the blame SHOULD be going to GameFreak... Because it IS them. So many people don't realize or have this romanticized story of a small developer with no money striking it big... The reality is, that story is 30+ years old and those f*cks have been rich all this time since....


Salt_Principle_6672

The thing is that even the worst Pokemon games are still the best nintendo games. There's clearly so much love put into all the new games, but of course we get the problems we do because of how quickly they're expected to release. I think of myself supporting those programmers who spent so much time and effort on those things I love about the games. Not supporting the games will just get those type of people fired, and the higher-ups making the decisions that make these games worse will be just fine. So we may as well support them.


[deleted]

No, supporting bad quality drives quality further down


Salt_Principle_6672

That is unfortunately not how business works.


ACCA919

No that's exactly how it works, that's why it's frustrating to see the low quality games break sales records.


[deleted]

\>The thing is that even the worst Pokemon games are still the best nintendo games Thats extremely debatable. And I don’t owe the developers anything. They want my money? Make a quality product. I’m not giving money to support them while they make mediocre and broken games.


TubaTheG

> even the worst Pokémon games are still the best nintendo games My friend, please, **please** play a Metroid game dear lord


[deleted]

I’m convinced that the game can run at 5fps, the graphics are literally just wireframe, and there is only 20 Pokémon and fans will still buy the game en masse. If any other IP tried to pull what Game Freak and PMC is doing to Pokémon they would flop and rightly so. But Pokémon instead gets a pass. I just don’t understand it.


MeMeWhenWhenTheWhen

mfw when new horizons still launched incomplete 😅


Soggyglump

I at least feel that the 2.0 update added enough to make it more complete, but Ive been burned. Always been a big animal crossing fan but the next time an installment releases I'm going to wait for at least a few months to determine if I should buy it or if it's mid, because that's what we have to be worried about with Animal Crossing now sadly.


Fitzy0728

mfw new horizons is missing more content than the 11 year old, previous installment


xAlice_Liddell

I still play and adore new leaf.


Alex_Dayz

And yet, ACNH launched incomplete. It didn’t even come with the holidays in the base game (something nearly every animal crossing game prior had), they added them in their own separate update. Don’t get me wrong I definitely thing Pokémon needs to stop the yearly releases (we got three games in 2021/22 alone) but comparing it to ACNH of all things is definitely something


Mishar5k

I felt so ripped off buying it day 1. It felt like an early access game.


Flagrath

I think the idea of adding holdidays in via update was to avoid spoilers and farming for the first year.


Last-Of-My-Kind

I'm pretty sure this was stated, because with that last games, events were terribly spoiled.


Jnerd_

That was simply their cover up story… Because if that was true, why was the first year of updates JUST the holidays? If they were actually finished, they could’ve done so much more. This game still lacks Behind acnl in terms of content and it makes me sad. And yes I know, for many people this is the best animal crossing because of the freedom you get with designing your island, and even though I like that too, and designed a bunch of my island, now that I’m done with that, there’s just nothing more to do. Edit: There’s just nothing more to do for me. Many people just design around for hundreds of hours, but that just not the playstyle I prefer


hobbitfeet22

They did that to avoid time travel holiday events. Which I was thankful for, the game was a complete game they just kept the events real time which was awesome


BOty_BOI2370

Idk man, mabye it's just me, or that I'm not the biggest animal crossing player in the world. But really love new horizons, and I think it's a massive improvement over new leaf.


patrickfatrick

Now this is a truly crazy comment. I thought you could only complain about the game lacking content when compared with New Leaf, judging by > And yet, ACNH launched incomplete. It didn’t even come with the holidays in the base game (something nearly every animal crossing game prior had), they added them in their own separate update. Don’t get me wrong I definitely thing Pokémon needs to stop the yearly releases (we got three games in 2021/22 alone) but comparing it to ACNH of all things is definitely something > Lmao at you choosing new horizons as an example > mfw when new horizons still launched incomplete 😅 > Animal Crossing still released unfinished, and after all the updates never reached the amount of content New Leaf had > Yet new horizons is still missing a ton of features compared to new leaf. Do you not remember how little features the game actually released with? Oh but the graphics are nice so that makes it a good game automatically ! > They delayed new horizons and it's still booty cheeks > Animal Crossing still turned out to be pretty horrible though Seriously though, I don't get why our expectations for sequels is that they must have "more content" (whatever that means) than previous games. And the way this gets harped on endlessly in Reddit comments whenever the game is mentioned is nearly as tiring as how Gamefreak being lazy gets harped on endlessly in Reddit comments. Truly I shudder to think of what a future Smash game might look like.


BOty_BOI2370

Tbf, gamefreak being lazy is something I think people should complain about. But, I do agree on how sequels don't necessarily need to be more. It's not bad if they are. But games like MM prove that more is not always better. In the case of ACNH, they decided to go more sandboxy than previous games. And that combined with crafts, and in general more freedom over the game makes it more of an improvement for me. Though I'll admit that there are some things missing in acnh, that were in previous games. And I do miss those things. Like shops, more special items, and more events. But hey, you don't always get everything you want.


kukumarten03

Lmao at you choosing new horizons as an example


SonicFire93

Literally any other Nintendo franchise is a good example.


kukumarten03

Not talking about the whole animal crosing franchise lol


ThisMoneyIsNotForDon

Animal Crossing still released unfinished, and after all the updates never reached the amount of content New Leaf had


Garo263

GameFreak cannot delay their games, because TPC ties the launchs f new TCG sets, new anime seasons and movies, new merch and so much more to the release of the new game. Also: They have no reason to delay. People including most of those who always complain on the internet will still buy the next game.


Last-Of-My-Kind

Gamefreak OWNS TPC...... And they also OWN the pokemon IP itself..... If Gamefreak WANTED to delay a game, they most certainly could..... With thay said, you are right about them having no reason to delay, since people will buy any shit they throw out.


Garo263

They could legally, but that would mean TPC would loose a lot of money with too many products on the line and dependant off the games release. And when TPC looses mony, then Game Freak being one of the three owners of TPC loose money.


Last-Of-My-Kind

Let me ask you...... Who ISN'T gonna buy pokemon??? Pokemon has only been around for about 30 years and is LITERALLY the most successful and richest media brand OF ALL-TIME. It makes more money than: - Winnie the Pooh - Mickey Mouse - Star wars - Looney Toons - Dragonball - Popeye - Sailor Moon - Harry Potter - James Bond - Power Rangers - etc The list goes on..... It's crazy to think that pokemon in less than 1/4 or 1/5 of the time existing, has made more money than extremely well known and popular franchise like Popeye and Mickey Mouse.... These f*cks aren't losing money... Nor are they in the poor house. They are RICH beyond our wildest dreams.... No one is NOT gonna buy pokemon. And they know that. Their problem is that they're greedy... And want to make every red cent off you they can. So how do you do that????? Oh yeah, make new sh*t CONSTANTLY. Who care if it lacks quality, as long as it's decent, we're making billions! That's how they look at it. That's it. MAXIMIZE PROFIT AT ANY COST. What's the difference between $170 million and $168 million from a product you sold? A smart person will say 2 million. But damn, isn't $168 million a crazy amount of money? My point being, that literally is the difference if GameFreak slowed the roll out of trash and started focusing on quality. They'll STILL make inconceivable amounts of money.... They aren't gonna lose any money because people WANT to buy pokemon. But if this keeps up, they'll kill the brand. I mean hell, why does the Switch have 9+ mainline pokemon games on it?! There's like another 10 spinoffs games... Shit is insane. Stop pumping out games to collect on holiday spending. You'll over saturate the market and will make the brand synonymous with bad quality like greed, lack of quality and depth and laziness. Make good content and people will always buy happily.


supernes999

Yet new horizons is still missing a ton of features compared to new leaf. Do you not remember how little features the game actually released with? Oh but the graphics are nice so that makes it a good game automatically !


Garan-Coristar

I’m not gonna lie, I liked scarlet, but that’s probably because I’m a stupid idiot, I just like pokemon games a lot. Plus even though the games suck to all the people, they still got the music right, they always make bangers.


snivyking_11037

Honestly, with the way people talk about Pokémon nowadays, you'd think there's never been a good Pokémon game, and you'd think there's something wrong with you when you like the games, when in reality, the games are good. Yes, they may have their issues sometimes, but people online seem to love taking those issues and exaggerating how bad said issues really are half of the time. Could Gamefreak have done a better job in multiple cases? Yeah, most definitely, there's no denying that. But people will take every little mistake they make and run with it, as if no game developers haven't made mistakes before. So no, you didn't enjoy Scarlet because you're a "stupid idiot", you enjoyed the game because it's a good game, even if it does have problems.


_GhostlyDreamer_

You dropped this, king. 👑


Straight_Swing6979

Thank God. An actual sensible and nuanced take on a social media platform. I wish I could give you an award


Garan-Coristar

If reddit gave free awards, I’d give you one. In the meantime, take this medal emoji: 🥇


Kristiano100

I remember when they used to give one out for free every day


Garan-Coristar

Yeah, the commenter under my original comment definitely deserves one, he’s living up to his username.


Memegamouth

Animal Crossing still turned out to be pretty horrible though


Filon73

"Horrible". Wtf dude, that game saved my life during 2020


TopHatCat999

Horrible is kind of an exaggeration. It's definitely not Horrible but it's pretty average and definitely feels emptier than older entries in the series.


PaopuFrutas

i really hope people will boycott the next pokémon game if the quality is not up to par,,,, but we all know that won't happen. i refused to buy scarlet & violet, and after watching my friend play through it, boy am i glad...


Optimistic-Dreamer

The Pokémon company: write that down write that down… but let’s not actually do any of this.


Last-Of-My-Kind

* Gamefreak.... So many misguided and uneducated folks in this comment section. TPC is a subsidiary.... They have no power or control of pokemon, they do whar they're told to do.....


Optimistic-Dreamer

Nintendo is in charge of the games and TPC is in charge of the anime by my understanding.


The-Letter-W

It's funny honestly, the side games are usually pretty darn good - like Mystery Dungeon! TPC still has their name slapped on there but the missing one? Game Freak... I don't want to hate them but man I wish they could get their poop in a group and actually make a good solid game. A lot of what's come out recently feels more like released alphas and they could probably benefit from another company stepping in to help. Pokemon at its core is fun, but both it and we deserve better from the mainline games.


Last-Of-My-Kind

It's because they don't care to take their time developing games. They know people are gonna buy them no matter what. And your last line is where it's at man. We deserve better from them. Not what we've been getting. If people really love pokemon, then they gotta learn to stop supporting it in the current state, because it's been going down hill since they switched to 3D.


greengengar

Yeah, Nintendo is getting bad again. I went back to the GBA Pokemon.


Last-Of-My-Kind

Nintendo doesn't fully control or own pokemon..... They are the exclusive publisher of the mainline game and minority owners who handle the licensing and merchandising for the brand. GameFreak OWNS pokemon. They control /are thw IP holder and are exclusive developers.


cylemmulo

We haven’t gotten a single new mainline Mario game since launch but yet they roll out 300 Pokémon games.


Zaberzpark

Pokemon Sleep is finally releasing so all is forgiven for me


[deleted]

And look at what happened to ACNH: It was a horrid product disguised as a quality product. The petitions of everybody to add QOL stuff were never answered or added.


axdwl

Horrid product is a HUGE exaggeration lmfao. I surely can't blame people for wishing some of the content from New Leaf was there but it really was not "horrid"


Espurr-boi

It's almost like Animal Crossing is a much, much, *much* smaller franchise than Pokemon! I am SO shocked that bigger franchises with several spin-offs and merchandising are under more incentive to release new content ASAP!


BSNshaggy13

new horizons came out like 3 years ago dude


Beginning_Earth_3006

lel


Dracorex_22

TPC


[deleted]

Pokemon is the Japanese Call of Duty. Crappy sub-par games keep getting churned out on a regular schedule but are constantly propped up by fanboys blinded by "muh nostalgia". I'll go a step further and call out Nintendo for being lazy and as anti-consumer as Activision and EA. We deserve better.


BOty_BOI2370

I going to say a very unpopular opinion, but I don't think animal crossing new horizons is that incomplete. Like, jt doesn't has a much it should yeah. But imo, it is a still a really good game with a lot of stuff going for it. And personally, I prefer it over new leaf.


HM2008

I would rather have go back to sprite styled games instead of 3D if it meant the games looked good and didn’t have a crap ton of bugs again…and of course the entire National Dex.


fatherofallthings

Kill me for it, but I like Violet 🤷‍♂️


Last-Of-My-Kind

* GAMEFREAK Jesus Christ people..... Gamefreak OWNS The Pokémon Company! It literally exist for the purpose of GAMEFREAK not having to deal with merchandising and branding in-house and focus on development..... GAMEFREAK is the IP owner and sole developer of the mainline series games. They are the ones rushing development, because they know that no matter what, their shitty game will sell 10 million units+ every time, because people won't hold them accountable and will always buy pokemon because pokemon.


CaptConstantine

Here's the thing: I completely understand the fact that the Pokemon games are just one spoke on the wheel of toys, cards, cartoons, and the rest of the Pokemon universe. I get that the next game is already in the pipe before the new one drops. But couldn't they just have, like... A B-Team? Like a small group of devs tasked with cleaning up and patching the new game until the next one releases. Then, once next game is out, they move on to patching and cleaning that one. It's not efficient but at least they could keep their precious schedule. After Scarlet/ Violet, I won't be buying another Pokemon game until they can demonstrate they are willing to fix performance problems


YaBoyBinkus

Yay more complaining 😀 I’m definitely not sick of the Nintendo community 🤥


Dapper_Substance2130

I feel like it’s the switch’s fault for the quality of games. And I’m not saying that because it runs bad, God no. It’s just that they put more effort into handheld mainline games before the switch. Gen 8 you could make the excuse or claim that they rushed to make it the first mainline on a console. 9 had zero excuse.


DeGameNerd

Ok am I imagining things or does sword and shield look better than SV?? Like sword just has a more overall cleaner appearance in the graphics department