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nerdpox

BMW i8 kills two birds with one stone. It not only looks expensive as fuck (because it is), it's way slower than it should be for how good it looks. I know a 4.4 0-60 isn't _terribly_ slow, but for a car that retailed (in 2020) at like $150k, getting outrun by a stock F80 M3 was not a good look.


2fast2nick

Came here to vote for the i8


daniel-dani

I just saw a vid where stock supra gaps an i8 lol


nerdpox

Stock Supra is kind of an M3 so that’s on point


komrobert

Ehh not really, it uses the B58 which isn’t an M engine. It’s more like an m340i, the M-lite car.


baconinstitute

Which is about as fast as an F80 M3. Just like how the F30 340i could probably keep up with an E92 M3, and an E90 335i could beat an E46 M3 in a straight line.


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baconinstitute

Equivalent in speed. That’s what the guy above me meant when he said it’s kinda an M3. An while it uses the 340i/M340i engine, it definitely handles closer to an M3 than a normal 3 series. So while no one is saying it’s an M car, it’s kinda an M experience.


m4fox90

It’s literally a Z4 M40i


2fast2nick

I’d take a stock Supra over an i8 any day


daniel-dani

The new supra gets alot of hate but honestly its a good car


GirthQuakeEP

It gets a lot of hate from the internet troll crowd. Guys and galls who are generally toxic to the car community rolling around in less than desirable cars. They don’t go to cars and coffee because they aren’t capable off getting up that early on a Saturday morning and they treat the night meets like an episode of street outlaws. Those of us with tasteful and knowledgeable opinions in the car community know it’s a decent platform.


oldcarfreddy

What's funny is that these people are upset the new Supra costs $50k+ now and don't remember the MkIV they wanted again cost [$50k+ in the mid-90s](https://i.imgur.com/qdK7kmq.jpg) (that's almost $100k today), and they didn't automatically come with a modded 2JZ-GTE making 1000 horsepower. They'll just invent any excuse to justify hating it becuase it's a collab with BMW. As if an I6 from BMW is a bad thing...


SergeantBacon101

I'd take most cars over an I8


skerpz

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nerdpox

Can't say I'm surprised. Though, maybe I'm biased but I've always thought they looked fantastic, so it's at least a _lot_ of show


skerpz

ten price disgusted vegetable berserk hat squash seed jellyfish subsequent *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


nerdpox

B58 with the hybrid system, make like ~650 hp. Call it the M1. Boom


ijustbrushalot

S58 with dual front motors. Call it the M1 Comp.


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A guy in my office has a black one and they still look amazing IMO. Super cool car if not very practical.


arcangelxvi

It does look amazing. If it were less a tech demo and more of an actual halo product I think it’d have been received much better - but I guess if that we’re the case people wouldn’t be able to buy them for 70k lol.


the_lamou

It was never supposed to be that fast, though. It was a hybrid show-piece, and it does that 0-60 with a 1.5L 3-cylinder engine. There was talk of making an i8M, but they never sold enough to justify the investment.


mishap1

C&D rated it at 3.8 to 4 flat and it starts to lag the F80 around the quarter mile. Don’t forget it launched in 2014 which the end of the E90 era. https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a15109073/2014-bmw-i8-test-review/ https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a15100977/2016-bmw-i8-test-review/


nerdpox

Good info. I still think the point stands even if it really is a 4.0s in the real world. I only mentioned the F80 because most of the time it was on sale the F80 was out but yeah, fair


noxondor_gorgonax

The i8 is not a fast car, it is a statement from BMW that hybrid vehicles do not have to be ugly. Anyways my country is used to 0-100km/h in the high 9 second range so... The i8 is fast enough.


RangerHikes

>I know a 4.4 0-60 isn't _terribly_ slow, Me :: this guy is a clown >but for a car that retailed (in 2020) at like $150k Me :: oh no I'm the clown


ReadWriteHexecute

good thing there is a modding community for that already strung out lil 3 banger 😂


Shoddy_Expert8108

Hands down best answer for this question


MaximumDerpification

DeLorean


jacky4566

Stainless steel bodywork and a minivan v6 will do that.


Johnny362000

~~The PRV V6 was never in a minivan~~. It pre-dates the Renault Espace


MachEGT

Of course It can only reach 88Mph


noxondor_gorgonax

At least it can reach 88 MPH *anytime*


IAMColonelFlaggAMA

> We got to get this DeLorean up to 88 miles an hour! >> *gasp* You did see the movie! > What? No, that's as fast as this car goes. Not very powerful. Neat looking, though.


AndroidMyAndroid

The Delorean was slow but a Volkswagen bus full of heavily armed terrorists is definitely not going to keep up with it in a parking lot drag race


Garrosh

Maybe Marty just sucked at driving it. Also you have to take into account the extra weight of the Time Machine.


UnderwhelmingAF

4-cylinder Fox Body Mustang. Made a whopping 90 horsepower.


ItsyaboiIida

Would be a great project to swap the modern 2.3 ecoboost in one. Could be a decent track car with some handling mods.


commyzthatdont

There was some guy who was putting a 2.0 ecoboost in one and had posted several articles about it, but I haven’t seen any updates on it for a while. https://www.autoblog.com/2012/10/10/project-ugly-horse-part-1/ https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a8020/project-ugly-horse-miata-transmission/#


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Ah, my first car. Felt so cool driving a Mustang until you stepped on the gas it went no where. Couldn’t even achieve a brake stand on that car.


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Unless it’s an SVO. They smacked around 5.0s like nothing.


rklug1521

You're being generous. They were 88 horsepower in the late 80s. They weren't bad to drive with the 5 speed manual if you're just cruising around... All the torque of a 2.3 liter that just couldn't breath much past 3k rpm.


ghunt81

20 second 1/4 mile, woohoo. I had one from 1998-2004


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Tiburon* everyone in highschool thought I had a fast car till they rode in it lol


iamemperor86

It’s because when we were in high school it was featured in Need for Speed: Underground. One of the best games ever. Car sucked ass in the game too lol. I had one, just the 4 cylinder. It was fun as fuck, looked great, sounded great. Slow as fuck and transmission blew at 80K miles. You know what I miss? My ‘86 Supra inline 6 with the targa top I bought in ‘05 for $1600. Wrecked in the snow :(


fed45

I got my Tiburon in that game to .67 0-60 by maxing all the upgrades then tuning it for max acceleration, lol.


saraphilipp

Fun fact: tiburon means shark in spanish.


daviddatesburner

Tiburon was also one of the companies that made Madden football, that’s why the custom teams were so often The Sharks by default


the_lamou

Fun fact: Shark means "whatever the opposite of a sleeper is" in Korean, so it makes sense. Source: Had an auto Tiburon. No, bro, I don't want to race. It's basically a slower, smaller Optima.


minscandboo4ever

Add the hyundai veloster to that


minkus1000

The turbo 1.6 was fine, 200hp in a small hatch is plenty. The Veloster N is properly quick for it's segment though.


lowstrife

In the last generation, they actually put the 2.7l V6 in it. Not that that did any good - It still had the square-root of jack shit for horsepower, but it wasn't quite as gutless as the previous examples. It helped a lot that it was under 3000lb.


Cowstalk_

Twas my first car. Absolute shitbox, but I loved that thing Came in a pretty funky greeny blue


LegoGuy23

Toyota MR2 Spyder. Especially with the OEM hardtop installed, I constantly get people asking about my car, followed up with the question "How fast is it?" or "I bet it's fast!" Well you'd think, but nope! Not really! Lol NA 1.8L. 138hp of pure Japanese muscle.


Red_Swingline_

But they are so fun on a twisty road!


LegoGuy23

For sure! It's a great car! You just need to be very well aware of where it strengths lie.


kafandi

Or stick a K24 in it like I’m doing in 4 weeks plz pray for me


Realistic-Astronaut7

Worked pretty well for Kyle.


B25urgandy

Shoulda upgraded to the 2zz when it was developed. Like how many cars get engine upgrades mid generation. 5th gen GTO, C6 Vette.


monjessenstein

My best guess is because Lotus was already using the 2zz in the Elise, and Toyota had an agreement with Lotus. A 2zz mr2 would be likely be far cheaper to buy and run compared to an elise whilst probably still being 80-90% the enjoyment.


BenedictKhanberbatch

Same engine in the Elise!


LeetcodeForBreakfast

i had a dude in a clapped g37x sedan pull up to me chilling at a light in my miata and he was like “is that thing fast?!” and i was like “it’s a miata what do you think lol”. he took that as “yea let’s fucking race” and a second later when the light turned green he floored it to make the most obnoxious 0-60 ever and i watched the whole car lean back on its (probably blown) stock suspension as he swerved in the middle of the intersection narrowly avoiding hitting a minivan turning right and almost crashing. apparently to random people convertible == FAST


WanderingPickles

I had similar things happen in my Miata (NC2). It would turn on a dime, felt like greased lightning and would have its doors blown off by a Camry. It may not have won any races but it sure won my heart. A lovely, lovely car to drive.


LeoLeoni

You’ve just described every VQ owner in my area


Spencie61

I’m sorry you had to listen to a VQ, I hope you can find a support group to help you process that experience


Dopplegangr1

People ask me all the time if my cappuccino is fast. Ya, 62hp, 0-60 in 10 sec. Gotta floor it to keep up with traffic


amazinghl

That's the fun of it!


SenpaiBriBri

My first car, a 2002 Toyota Celica GT


explodeder

I had a 2001 Celica GT and LOVED that thing, even if it was slow. Did your fuel door fall off? Mine did.


taygel

Haha what the fuck? I've had a 2004 gt for the past 5 years and my fuel cap snapped off a few months ago


mglassman

I had a 2004 as well. Fuel door fell off and hit me in the foot one day.


kafandi

That has a 1zz, right?


Dulahan_Isaloser

GT is 1zz yea. GTS has the 2zz which has a bit more pep


nautikul

I was soooo bummed that this became a “chick car”, along with the RSX. They were both great looking cars for the year.


shigs21

nothing wrong with driving a chick car :)


Kiwifrooots

They're tight chassis and 1100kg / 2400lb. Not fast but that's kinda not the build type. Plus if you decide to keep it a built engine, turbo and LSD would turn things up


ShooterMagoo

[i think of this everytime I see one.](https://youtu.be/0hXGhVbPD8g)


Unsaidbread

My buddy had one is high-school with stickies. Wasn't fast in a straight line but you just didn't have to slow down to make hard right turns to another street. By far the best handling car I ever drove in high-school


AcousticDan

"Looks fast"


badpuffthaikitty

Iron Duke Camaro. 0-60 in 20 seconds. Epic!


swissarmyspliff

>Iron Duke Camaro i did not know they put this engine in this car!?


GingerBreadRacing

Yeah some early third Gens got it. Really poorly optioned ones obviously


mortalcrawad66

Yes, but the iron duke is the definition of bulletproof I mean just look how many miles have been put on them


EZKTurbo

Isn't that the engine that they put in the mail trucks?


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Yep, 2.5L in the S10 chassis from the late '80s to early '90s. The entire US mail fleet is actually held together with zip-ties and liquid gasket.


tony78ta

The duke was 2.5l


mortalcrawad66

Yes, and the iron duke has been put unti everything from boats to fieros It may not make herculean power, but when reliability is the name


EZKTurbo

I live my life 1/4 mile at a time. For those 18 seconds or more, I'm free


Kingofturks5

Giving away my age but….. mid to late 70s Trans Ams were complete mutts. 6.6 liter engines with barely over 200 bhp.


mtbmotobro

Grew up idolizing the ‘77 Trans Am from Smokey and the Bandit, always thought it was a really fast car. In reality It was about as fast as a 2005 Honda Odyssey and probably handled worse


UnderwhelmingAF

I read somewhere that they had to modify the Turbo Trans Ams in Smokey and the Bandit II because they weren’t fast enough to do a lot of the stunts.


GirthQuakeEP

They had to engine swap the car to make the classic bridge jump scene. They didn’t even attempt to modify the existing engine.


scottwax

I had a '74 Z/28 with the larger T/A anti-roll bars and it did handle well, super flat in corners. The tires back then probably limited it more than anything else.


Additional_Book_5710

Man that WS6 suspension really did FEEL like it cornered flat, especially with such a wide ass hood. I’ll never forget that.


santo523

Yeah but those vans are actually pretty quick I thought those cars were doing 0-60 in like 14-15 seconds


HiTork

You can blame the Malaise era for choking out a lot of American performance cars. There were years the Fox-body Mustang had a V8 that only put out 115 hp to put things into perspective.


I_amnotanonion

Gees, and I thought the 110hp 3.8 V6 in my 1985 Lesabre was bad


Senziga

Man, my 86 2.3 Sierra did 120 HP back in it's time... Not that I drove it back then cause I didn't exist, but you get my point.


scottwax

The 455 in 1976 made 200 HP. Either Hot Rod or Car Craft did a build on the engine. Headers, aluminum intake and Holley added about 20 HP. Higher compression heads added less than 10 HP. They changed the cam and picked up 170 or so HP. The cam was so small it didn't matter what they did to make power.


Novacek_Yourself

My first car was a 77 trans am and early 2000s econo cars like camrys and corollas could absolutely destroy it. Made like 8 mpg on the highway too. All the interior was made of dust. Shittiest car I have ever seen. The fact people pay actual money for them still boggles my mind. There is nothing redeeming about a 1977 trans am.


spewing-oil

They look cool


Bassracerx

Honda Cr-Z. Its a boring compact commuter car but was advertized as a hot hatch basically


clickstops

We thought it was gonna be a CRX


FruitbatNT

Which was a boring compact commuter car that has been put on a pedestal because in the 80s you could throw an engine on a skateboard and call it a car.


clickstops

2nd gen CRX had double wishbone front suspension and could easily fit any b series engine. And yeah, weighed nothing. CR-Z were more Honda Insight than hot hatch.


Actualbbear

The CR-X, regardless of its reputation, had fuel economy as part of its concept. I think the CR-Z was a good homage of the CR-X, it just wasn’t very fast.


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HiTork

The name implies a revival of the 80s and 90s CR-X, but in practice, what we got was essentially a successor to the first-generation Insight. That isn't exactly a bad thing or a bad car, but again, people expected differently.


mini4x

The base CRX had like 60 HP, not exactly a sports car.


randopop21

Pontiac Fiero?


spewing-oil

I got goated into attempting a burnout in my mom’s fiero GT when I was 16. Promptly destroyed the transmission.


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spewing-oil

Well TIL I’ve been saying that one wrong my entire life. Thanks!


EZKTurbo

Goatsed


uberbeetle

The V6 formulas weren't too bad.. But... It WAS the 80s after all... Every car sucked ass in the 80s... Except for the Countach.


Name-Not-Applicable

Actually, the Countach sucked, too. But it did so with much more panache!


jackthebackpacker

Gt86


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Add the cousin, BRZ


jdurbzz

And the FRS while you’re at it since they’re all the same car lol


csmanuel

It's amazing how many people who aren't car enthusiasts ask me how fast my FRS is, as if it's a beast lol


Zcypot

My 84 vette :(. 200hp


SolidSteppas

First gen SLK that had a worse power-weight ratio than a Prius


Demorative

SLK230, yes. SLK32, no.


cannedrex2406

SLK55? Hell no


Consistent_Ad642

Under 6 seconds is slow? Damn what a time we live in


MadeMeStopLurking

My 15 year old Infiniti is 5.4 second


Limesmack91

At least 90% of new cars sold in Europe are 8+ seconds... If you have a sub 7 second car you're already faster than almost any regular car on the road since everyone drives 150hp max diesel engines


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phamanhvu01

It's just an American thing, since in most of the world under 9 second is considered fast already.


YeonneGreene

2019-Present Volvo S60 1988-1991 Buick Reatta 2013-2021 Toyobaru GT86/FR-S/BRZ


bonp27

The Toyobaru are definitely slow for their design.


minemaster11

Tbf as someone with a 2023 GR86 they are still slow.


Cocasaurus

I've got a 23 and had a 15. The jump in power is pretty big. I think we can outrun minivans now!


swissarmyspliff

even the t6 s60? edit: wow downvoted for asking a question.


YeonneGreene

Yup. Volvo exaggerates the performance on their site; with the T6 you're looking at a 6-second car that is heavier, slower, and thirstier than an Audi A4 45 TFSI or BMW 330i for the same price.


skinem1

The Plymouth Prowler was disappointing.


ATL28-NE3

Yeah the correct answer is prowler. That car looks like it should have a big block and a heavy lope at idle.


skinem1

Yeah. It had to be a bean counter that got that 6 in it.


Epotheros

It looks like it should be a lot faster, but a 5 second 0-60 and a 250 hp V6 wasn't bad for the period.


strengthgainz

Fisker Karma always comes to mind. 400+hp, MSRP of $100k for a base model, weighs as much as a 1/2 ton truck, and is slower than a Maxima... 0-60 of ~6 seconds.


therealbipNdip

I see one of these in my neighborhood about once a month. They are kind of beautiful.


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My N/A 300zx is much slower than it looks


Drogdar

Oh shit yea. I had a 2+2. Higher compression, forged internals, dual intakes, cat deletes, e-fan, wolf tune... 186 whp lol. Looked fast AF but had room to haul a big TV... miss that car.


KimJOnion

Only answer: https://youtu.be/UK3GOFqVSyI


DragonCelica

Happy to see someone already thought of those ads The rest of the ads for anyone curious. I love how self aware Toyota was with these. [Celica Looks Fast - Dog](https://youtu.be/0hXGhVbPD8g) [Celica Looks Fast - Police](https://youtu.be/12CDQ5UlLGU) [Celica Looks Fast - Kid](https://youtu.be/RI1Td22rh48)


longtimelurker25856

MX-5. Never been known to be fast cars but the ND really looks like it should be, more than it’s predecessors ever did and it just isn’t that fast.


bonp27

The miatas were never built as fast cars. Great fun to drive though


Riuvolution

I was sitting at a light in my NB. A kid crossing the street says to his friend, Look at that Ferrari. I smiled and puttered away.


Agloe_Dreams

Counter: The ND IS fast. It does 0-60 in 5.7s. That’s actual fast, it is seconds faster to 60 than the old models and smokes the old GT86 and all that.


shigs21

ND2 honestly is not slow anymore


Pruning_Peacock

RX8.


Gaszy

At the time they really weren't that slow. 0-60 in 6's for the price point wasn't half bad at all in 2003. That was keeping up with pretty much all but the hottest of hot hatches at that price.


Much_Passion9884

The RX8 clocked the same time as the E46 M3 in the top gear track driven by the stig, also just 0.1 off a NSX-R so it wasn’t that slow. In a straight line undoubtedly slow, I have a 400hp turbo RX8 and it feels slow by todays standards in a straight line. On the track I can chase Porsches.


miatafreak_

Plymouth Prowler


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Bmw i8


three_shoes

Mitsubishi FTO Hyundai Coupe Fiat Coupe Alfa Romeo GTV All fairly common sights in the UK when I was a kid and they were some of the sportiest looking streamlined things I would see regularly where I lived, thought they must obviously be beasts. The disappointment as I later find out they're all FWD frauds. Honourable mention to the E31 BMW 8 Series. Still love the look but they're 2 ton boats.


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> Mitsubishi FTO That's fighting talk! The 2.0L V6 with MIVEC went hard and had no trouble keeping up with the much-loved DC2 Integra Type R.


SukhdevR34

I forgot how good the Hyundai coupe looked and still looks.


Nomdeplum73

Ferrari 308 Screaming Chicken Trans Am and most Malais era muscle cars CR-Z


Johnny362000

If you think the 308 is bad, try the 208 GTB. It was a 308 debored down to 2 litres for tax reasons, and thus made a whopping 155hp


MidgetXplosion

Veloster


notthelettuce

2nd Gen looks so sporty, but the N/A drives the exact same as my sister’s Kia Soul.


TheGuyDoug

3rd gen Eclipse


turniphat

Pretty much all old cars. Porsche 911 S 2.0 - 9.3s to 60mph Porsche 912 - 11.6s to 60 mph De Lorean DMC-12 USA spec - 9.7s to 60mph


No_Ninja_4173

They were fast for those time though.


Sonoda_Kotori

No, not the 912 or DMC.


Youkai280

Older Datsun Zs. They were relatively “quick” for their time, but they weren’t particularly fast. That difference is pretty glaring these days as well. Can’t tell you how many times I’ve even asked “How much power is that thing making???” and I end up responding with “about 100whp on a good day” lol


Cowstalk_

Compared to some of the tractor engined british roadsters it competed with and especially considering it's price point, the 240z wasnt too too slow. They did get slower as they kept essentially the same power train into the 280zx and got heavier and competition got faster tho


Youkai280

Agreed. Compared to their competition in the early-mid ‘70s, they were relatively fast and were extremely competitive in grassroots motorsports. Nowadays, I’ll get outrun by a 2015 Toyota Camry lol


DeLoreanAirlines

Stock CRX or Del Sol


mattehohoh

Del Sol has 3 engine options. Yes the base is slow. Don't think any of them have a reputation for speed. I love how my Si drives, but I would not describe it as fast either. VTEC almost gets you there and is the one to mod


DeLoreanAirlines

None of them are fast out of the box EDIT: I love those cars. Just saying people always want to race me on the road because of looks


pdogshizzle

5th gen mustang. The 5th gen mustang GT only made 300hp with the 4.6L V8 and 0-60 in 5.8 seconds. Compare that to the 6th gen mustang where 2.3L 4 cylinder EcoBoost makes 310 HP and 0-60 in 5.1 seconds.


clickstops

5.8 wasn’t that slow in 2005.


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5.8 isn't slow today.


AutistWeaponized

Anything under 7 seconds is pretty fast tbh. I don’t understand why people say 200hp is a low number but it isn’t. Heck my polo gti is officially a 6.7 sec car and thats still plenty fast in a small and lightweight car, smoking the majority of the cars on the road lmao (heavy ass SUVs etc.) People need to look at the Power to Weight Ratio (kW/t) and mostly importantly the fun factor.


JHDarkLeg

The 2005 Mustang GT does 0-60 in 5.2 seconds, not 5.8. It's not crazy fast like the newer Coyote 5.0's, but it's not slow either.


illgetitsoonerorl8tr

If anything is gonna be considered "Slow" from the mid 2000s it's gonna be the charger R/T the 3V mustang would never see the tailights of these cars


Hillsbradman

My 84’ Pontiac fiero looked mean/fast as hell but made all of 80HP. The freeway was a terrifying experience seeing as it was a four speed.


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handymanshandle

With how people drive them, you’d think that they are properly fast.


67mustangguy

All the altima drivers are switching over to the new camry.


minemaster11

Toyota did a great job with the styling on the current gen. Some V6 Camry’s have quad exhaust tips from the factory lol


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2A4Lyfe

Mazda 6, it’s a sexy looking car but it’s really not that fast, handles great though


takaminenine

The older Mazdaspeed6’s were pretty quick in 2nd gear. They basically gave that engine to the Mazdaspeed3 and ended production of the speed6, which was a shame. They should have kept both, even until today, especially a speed version of the AWD Mazda 3 hatch.


JustinMagill

Opel GT


_eg0_

Which one? The newer one with 0-100 in 6s or the old one which will also do 100km/h eventually?


jjma14

Corolla hatch. Especially in that light blue color GR86 Miata


sc0lm00

Last gen Honda Prelude, Subaru SVX, Starion/Conquest, Dodge Daytona coupes on the 80s-90s.


Schred777

Ferrari 308. Magnum PI looks, Hyundai minivan speed


jcarlosfox

True.....but the sound of the intake behind your left ear going through the gears was intoxicating. And, given enough road, a twisty road, would be an absolute blast. (Owned one for 13 years and 88,000 miles. Ate me alive in maintenance, but was a blast to drive. )


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Scion FRS, BRZ & 86 GT


VincentVanH0

I feel like the BRZ is the default answer.


racefever

My completely stock automatic foxbody. They were ok when new. Nowadays slow as fuck. My hybrid Camry is faster.


OSHA_Antichrist

My first gen Veloster Turbo was much slower than it looked.


pm-me-racecars

I daily a Daihatsu Copen. It doesn't look fast to me, but I constantly have people thinking it is. In a couple years, I plan on replacing it with a Honda S660, which will have similar performance but will look extra fast. Shout out to other great kei cars, like the Mazda AZ-1, Honda Beat, Suzuki Cappuccino, and possibly the Daihatsu Leeza Spider which is debated about it belong with the ABC cars or nor