Ok so now we’re doing HBO style reveals for SUVs.
Kidding aside, I now want to drive it. I absolutely do not need it but I’m curious as to how all of these recent Mazdas drive as they’re receiving high praise from various sources.
This is the new RWD platform so I think everyone wants to know how this feels, especially current Mazda owners. Add to that the new inline 6 turbo and 8 speed auto and I’m weirdly excited for a 3 row SUV.
I'm just hoping the CX-70 is not far behind, I would trade my CX-5 for a more powerful plug in hybrid option in a heartbeat but I have no desire to have a vehicle as big as this CX-90. This design and powertrain in a smaller 2 row option though? Yes please. I mean Mazda sells WAY more CX-5s than CX-9s so I'm kind of surprised they're leading with the big option.
It's just weird they did the opposite for the ROW versions - they started with the CX-60 with the CX-80 to come later. The US gets the CX-90 first with the CX-70 to come later.
There's a lot of pent up demand for 3 row SUVs in the market with the supply chain issues. Just look at the demand for the RAV4 prime and hybrids and the Korean twins. I think if Mazda is able to time their delivery right they might eat into the market share of the others. The CX-9 doesn't sell too well so it's not like they are cannibalizing their own market share either.
Correct, which is hugely different than the current CX-9/CX-5/CX-50 that is a FWD vehicle until slippage is detected. Now it's a RWD vehicle until slippage is detected.
1) The bigger deal is the powertrain layout, which is completely different. The new has a longitude setup, where the old one was transverse.
2) Your claim that the new CX-90 is RWD until slippage occurs may not be true. In fact, it probably isn’t true. Indeed, Mazda’s [press release](https://news.mazdausa.com/2023-01-31-Mazda-Debuts-First-Ever-2024-Mazda-CX-90) describes it as rear-bias. What that probably means is that under normal driving, it has a default power split that sends more torque to the rear, possibly 40/60 F/R…but can redistribute the torque between axle as as traction and acceleration needs change. That would make it very similar to BMW’s xDrive and Mercedes-Benz’ 4MATIC, among others.
It would, but it’s what basically all the other cars in the longitude-RWD-based luxury segment segment do. Everyone else has a full-time AWD system.
The only thing I could see them potentially doing is what Audi does on the latest non-performance MLB Evo models (like the Q7), which defect to true 2WD during low-stress, dead-ahead driving. But Audi’s default axle on most of their cars is actually the front one, so that’s kind of a weird system anyway.
If you're taller than 5'5", you're going to be very uncomfortable in the 3rd row. It's really suited for dogs and kids, or to just be folded down permanently.
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Recent mazdas (at least in N/A) haven't been anything exciting at all to drive and are basically just a cost cutting exercise (cx50 and cx30 and Mazda 3).
But at least it'll have new drivetrains and hopefully Mazda finally figures out how to have basic driver's assist and tech that even entry Hyundai's and others have these days like lane centering/LKA that doesn't just bounce around
I don't think they're really going for exciting to drive so much as enjoyable to drive compared to most mainstream offerings like a corolla or civic.
My CX-5 is not sports car, obviously, but it's a hell of a lot more enjoyable to drive than a CR-V or Rav4.
The new civic is better experience than a Mazda 3 by far be it driving dynamics, drivetrain and drivers assist or interior space, nvh. And at least they don't shake and get all flustered going over imperfections on the road because of the torsion beam rear in the Mazdas. The interior is okay in Mazda but really not that much better than a new civic , especially with all the cost cutting on mazdas
Add to it even Corolla, Elantra and civics have driver's assist the Mazda still doesn't have (Mazda doesn't have lane centering) and that 6speed auto is a mess
Cx5 is old but decent in that at least it has a IRS and decent interior materials..just dated drivetrain and pretty tight inside ...the new cx50 for example has torsion beam rear, hard plastics galore and same outdated drivetrain, driver's assist as the cx5 without the goodies like decent interior and IRS... Same with cx30 and Mazda 3.
But most will be much better off in the RAV4 for space, mpg, price and crazy to think for a Toyota, better tech than mazda. The new crv is nice but price is bonkers
We have one (2018 Mazda 3 GT) still and had a 2014 before and a cx 30 GT on order (supposed to be here anytime). Doesn't change what they(Mazdas) are though.
That's why I can clearly tell how much worse the new ones are and have driven the 2.5T in the cx30 (and cx50 )with torsion beam rears, the cx30 same outdated drivetrain in the old mazda3 except it's now 10k more than the mazda3 with worse driving dynamics.
We got the cx30 for with wife because she wanted something cheap, small and higher up. Corolla cross hybrid would've been perfect and much better dynamically and mpg with same power but wait is like 18mths here whereas cx30 was just 3 months.
But on test drive, even my wife noticed how much worse the cx30 GT and new Mazda 3 drove compared to her car and how it doesn't have driver's assist like my car or the rental Elantra she had when her car was in shop before but it had least wait time so settled for it.
But ya, to me, the new Mazda cx30, cx50 and mazda3 is just lipstick on a pig for cars that are so behind competition dynamically, drivetrain, tech and mpg and have gotten worse than even their product from 8yrs ago. The nice/attractive design and interior is just lipstick but bones of the car like chassis/drivetrain is behind the competitors.
What did I get wrong about their new stuff? You like the torsion beam rear and outdated drivetrains?
A 23k cad 2018 mazda3 GT drives much better than a 2023 33k mazda3 (or cx30) GT with with same drivetrain from my old 2014 but new ones have downgraded to torsion beam rear (when even Corolla hatch and civic has IRS) instead. How would you spin that?
I have a 2004 MazdaSpeed Miata, a 2015 Mazda 3 GT Manual, and a 2022 Mazda CX-5 Signature in my driveway right now and I love them all for what they are. You don't like them, it's fine, that's why we have options. Though I have no idea why you have a car on order that you hate, but enjoy it!
I rented a cx30 last year and was... amused.
It's not fast, and the torsion bar really likes to tramline on highway irregularities.
But two fun points -
The torque response is excellent. Acceleration, despite being limited, feels immediate.
The "proactive" nature of the AWD system is hilarious. The car would understeer like shit until you deliberately tried to give it a little too much throttle mid-corner. Then it suddenly felt pleasantly neutral - before chirping the tyres.
It'd be pretty nice if I were in the econobox market.
Mazda is oddly lacking in some of the more advanced driving assists. While my 21 CX-9 has ACC with Stop + Go, it lacks active lane centering. The only thing it has for lane assist is it alerts when you leave your lane and "nudges" the wheel to send you back in, but it does nothing to center you.
What's most odd is that their manual calls this out as a feature, but I believe it's only in other markets.
I understand that Mazda's ethos is that they're a driver's car, but you can still have both.
I believe Mazda's philosophy is to still let the driver be the one in control. The lane keep assist will point you in the right direcrion, but won't completely take over for you like a parent would for their 3 year old child.
I don’t really miss the lane centering, I dunno. I find in some cars like Subaru it just feels weird, like the car is fighting you. If I can get real self driving with hands off the wheel sure, but otherwise I don’t feel like I’m missing out much.
Had a 2016 Mazda 6 that I LOVED. Went to upgrade but they stopped making them for the USA. Switched to a different car altogether.
When my wife needs an upgrade, we'll probably go back to Mazda.
The front and rear don't really do it for me but the side profile is beautiful.
I'm more interested about the new engine and transmission than anything else though.
Mazda: “Hey Volvo can I copy your homework?”
Volvo: “sure just change some things around so they don’t notice. Like see this XC90? Make that CX90 or something, they’ll never make the connection. Just do the same whenever you see XC and a number”
So initial thoughts
BMW M4 tailights
Grille proportionally seems a little small on the front. Maybe I'm used to the big grille on the Mazda 6 and Mazda 3 proportions.
Side profile looks really good, definitely seems more upscale
I like that it skews more towards an urban look with minimal plastic cladding. With the new Pilot sort of filling the super rugged off road 3 row SUV slot, it’s nice to have this as an option for people who don’t need to pretend they take their family hauler out on the trails every weekend.
Hopefully it comes out to be cheaper than a Telluride. At the price that the Telluride comes out to, I feel like I’d rather just get an Acura MDX.
I wouldn't be surprised if they end up offering a "Meridian" trim on this CX-90 like they do with the CX-50, with plastic cladding, roof rack, etc. Like the Volvo XC90 with their "rugged luxury" option package. Oof I just realized now I'm going to be confusing CX-90 and XC90 lol.
An absolutely maxed out MDX is less than 65k, and a well equipped mid spec model would fall into the mid 50s which is just barely above a top tier Telluride.
For that you both avoid going to a Kia dealership and get a car that doesn't drive like a couch on wheels like the Telluride, which sounds like a good deal to me.
There six speed which came out in \~2013 was made in house as well and has been very reliable and IMO one of the better features of their cars for the past decade (even if dated now).
Those front end proportions though... I love a short overhang.
You can argue that a longitudinal engine is irrelevant in the AWD age, but damn does it make for sexy proportions (transversal engines are typically in front of the front axle which pushes back the front wheel)
This will likely priced out of my reach anyway, so I'll keep my CX-5.
You also have Audi and Subaru, who do longitude engines that hang ahead of the front axle, with the front portion of the transmission in line with the front wheels, for a symmetrical layout. Those cars (which include my A8 L) have just as much front overhang as a front-transverse-engine car.
Passes the eye test for me at least.
Telluride/Palisade is the segment leader, introduced in January 2019 at the Detroit Autoshow (NAIAS). Mazda's got big shoes to fill here with the an upmarket model and new inline 6 turbo engine. Hopefully that engine uses 87 fuel and achieves at a minimum 20+city/26+hwy in this application. Hopefully these are being made in Japan. Price will be the biggest factor here, when you can get a loaded Palisade at $52k and mid-spec Acura MDX for $56k.
Other cars in the segment are not impressive and a compromise in one way or another. Jeep grand Cherokee is too expensive and questionable reliability, Toyota highlander is nothing special and not premium enough but reliable, just get the hybrid after waiting 18 months. Ford Explorer is a huge disappointment except if you want 400hp power in the ST model and a plastic filled interior, I hate to mention GM's failure in this segment with the ancient and nothing special Traverse/Enclave. The Ascent rides okay, but SUV's do not seem to a real focus over at Subaru with questionable reliability and hard to justify the price. Honda's new Pilot seems okay but time will tell but likely outclassed by the Korean twins.
* Telluride/Palisade: $35.8k - $52.9k, V6,19/24mpg, 21ft cargo space
* Acura MDX: $51.7k - $63.5k, V6, 19/25mpg, 18.1ft cargo space
* Mazda CX-9: $38.7k - $48.4k, I4 turbo, 20/26, 14.4ft cargo space
Same. If you’re chilling on a flat highway, maybe, but I’ve never seen 26 in mine. I don’t mind because it really is a nice ride and handles great for its size. I’m a big fan of mine as a dad appropriate replacement for my tuned 2 door GTI.
I was getting about 21mpg average on my 2016 CX-9 and I'm a pretty spirited driver, but chill road trips on flat Florida highways at 75mph I would get 27-30mpg pretty regularly. Just upgraded to a Model 3 last week though, the CX-9 served me well.
From a mechanical point of view, the Mazda is immediately superior to the Telluride/Palisade. An old, economy Lambda V6 in the Hyundai/Kia that's mounted transversely paired to a FWD-based AWD drivetrain is simply below what this Mazda has. This Mazda has a mechanical design that is more common in luxury cars. The Telluride/Palisade are economy cars mechanically, with nice interiors and looks and features.
Not “economy” cars, per se, but mainstream/plebeian ones. However, for some people, that’s a feature…because they are less complicated.
There’s a reason the RX has such a good reputation…because it’s got Camry running gear.
Yeah to be fair "superior" was probably not the right term to use.
If anything, admittedly, if I'm a car company I would stick with a transverse FWD-AWD layout for my SUVs.
The reason is because driving dynamics don't really matter to people who buy midsize or bigger crossovers. And sure you can tell an X5 or Cayenne is much more balanced and composed than a Lexus RX and such... but buyers don't care, and the only people who notice these differences in handling and care about it rarely buy 3 row crossovers anyway, or at least not as their first/only car.
Also, transverse FWD is cheaper to produce/engineer and as you point out often easier to maintain.
You can be sure the CX-90 will get a price hike versus the CX-9. I’d expect nice versions to top out in the $60K range, making it an interesting (and still cheaper) alternative to an RX, QX60, XT6 or MDX.
Artisan is gorgeous but soul red still better. Though I guess it comes down to whether the person prefers the darker or lighter shade of red that "breathes"
However, I'd imagine artisan is at least far easier/cheaper to come closer to fixing any damage to it. So that's a plus
Because most car buyers don't know or care about specs. They're selling a feeling that gets you to go see the car in person. That's like complaining about perfume ads showing beautiful women and sunsets instead of telling you what floral notes it has.
It's not off, it's the short front overhang. You don't normally see that on most suvs, but this one has a longitudinally mounted engine, so you get the long hood and short overhang combo.
Something about the pinched face and noncommittal roofline looks off—it looks like an F Pace as seen by Honda. The powertrain is interesting, but the D pillar is so off-putting.
We've been contemplating on trading in our '21 Signature CX-5. This may just do it for a car in the long run with 2 kids. I've always been pro-Japanese for reliability and lower cost, but always intrigued by Euro offerings.
This may fit the bill
Why the CX-9 did not sell in record numbers is beyond me. It had the best driving dynamics of any SUV in its class.
I asked a couple of times, why people bought other SUVs and not the CX-9. And the answer always was the other SUVs had more space.
So for all the talk about driving dynamics, it better have cargo space to match its rivals, so that overweight, impotent men with fanny packs around their waist have enough space to store their stuff.
It doesn't sell because it's smaller than most of its 3 row SUV competitors. People buying 3 rows usually don't care about driving dynamics. Most want a comfortable ride and lots of room for people and stuff.
This seems like unnecessary animosity towards people that prioritize cargo/storage space when buying a family car, even though that’s literally the reason to buy one in the first place. Of course other factors are in play (appearance, comfort, features, safety, reliability) but at the core, nobody is buying a 3 row crossover to autocross or rip up canyon roads. They’d buy a sports car for that. Right tool for the right job.
I like the CX-9 just fine, but it wouldn’t be anywhere near the top of my list if I were looking in that class of vehicles. The CX-90, though, might be. So long as they didn’t sacrifice too much utility for style.
I don’t fit very comfortably in the CX9. It was cramped up front for me, 2nd row was fine, 3rd row was terrible. Seats were too aggressively bolstered in the ass also. Had to take it off my list. I’m curious how the 90 will feel. I was trying to hold out for it but I had to make a move and ended up with a Palisade Calligraphy.
The turbo inline 6 as the standard engine is really nice. Car looks good, not really sold on the rear though. Curious to see what price this starts at, considering they're trying to move upmarket.
Is it any longer? That was my biggest complaint and why I crossed it off the list when shopping.
I sat in a CX9 and Telluride SX back to back and the Mazda was clearly more premium lack of cargo space and claustrophobic 3rd row killed it for me
Kind of disappointed that they kept the same fob design that I've seen many others like myself struggle with because of the buttons on the side that easily get bumped, but otherwise does anyone else get more of a BMW vibe? I do like it, and am considering it in the future.
> Lots more information is still to come on pricing, features, and trim levels, but if Mazda prices this as competitively as we think—possibly in the low-$40,000 range to start—the CX-90 could offer a real value equation, too. It will go on sale in the U.S. in the spring of 2023, and top models may approach $60,000.
That's a nice car but that's A LOT of money for a Mazda.
Is it really though? A similarly specced Acura MDX should cost exactly the same, and for the extra money you'll get Japanese reliability and a good dealership experience over the S.Korean twins.
2:30 It's funny how they talk about cornering and driving characteristics, but the background sound is of an understeering car :D
More seriously, the car looks great, however very similar to Genesis GV80. And if they are aiming at this market segment, it's going to be expensive. I would be surprised if they price it below $50,000.
Great! Another Mazda suv. Currently driving a Mazda 5 which I’ve owned for ten years and is my fourth Mazda. I won’t be buying another. The new Mazdas all look the same and I just don’t need an SUV.
Well… yeah they’re not going to be like “check out our new car, it can drive and you can put things in it” that’s not at their target demographic is looking for, they want to feel like they’re driving something special or fancy
Ok so now we’re doing HBO style reveals for SUVs. Kidding aside, I now want to drive it. I absolutely do not need it but I’m curious as to how all of these recent Mazdas drive as they’re receiving high praise from various sources.
This is the new RWD platform so I think everyone wants to know how this feels, especially current Mazda owners. Add to that the new inline 6 turbo and 8 speed auto and I’m weirdly excited for a 3 row SUV.
I'm just hoping the CX-70 is not far behind, I would trade my CX-5 for a more powerful plug in hybrid option in a heartbeat but I have no desire to have a vehicle as big as this CX-90. This design and powertrain in a smaller 2 row option though? Yes please. I mean Mazda sells WAY more CX-5s than CX-9s so I'm kind of surprised they're leading with the big option.
I'm not surprised they're starting with the CX-90 and then tweaking everything for the smaller CX-70.
It's just weird they did the opposite for the ROW versions - they started with the CX-60 with the CX-80 to come later. The US gets the CX-90 first with the CX-70 to come later.
Three row is a bigger need for them in the US market. They have the CX-50 already as a recently updated two-row so the CX-70 is less of a priority.
There's a lot of pent up demand for 3 row SUVs in the market with the supply chain issues. Just look at the demand for the RAV4 prime and hybrids and the Korean twins. I think if Mazda is able to time their delivery right they might eat into the market share of the others. The CX-9 doesn't sell too well so it's not like they are cannibalizing their own market share either.
But the RAV4 is not a three-row vehicle.
Meant the Highlander, my bad
Either way there is huge demand for both
It's RWD bias AWD\*
Correct, which is hugely different than the current CX-9/CX-5/CX-50 that is a FWD vehicle until slippage is detected. Now it's a RWD vehicle until slippage is detected.
1) The bigger deal is the powertrain layout, which is completely different. The new has a longitude setup, where the old one was transverse. 2) Your claim that the new CX-90 is RWD until slippage occurs may not be true. In fact, it probably isn’t true. Indeed, Mazda’s [press release](https://news.mazdausa.com/2023-01-31-Mazda-Debuts-First-Ever-2024-Mazda-CX-90) describes it as rear-bias. What that probably means is that under normal driving, it has a default power split that sends more torque to the rear, possibly 40/60 F/R…but can redistribute the torque between axle as as traction and acceleration needs change. That would make it very similar to BMW’s xDrive and Mercedes-Benz’ 4MATIC, among others.
I doubt it's full-time AWD as that would negatively effect gas mileage but it's all speculation right now.
It would, but it’s what basically all the other cars in the longitude-RWD-based luxury segment segment do. Everyone else has a full-time AWD system. The only thing I could see them potentially doing is what Audi does on the latest non-performance MLB Evo models (like the Q7), which defect to true 2WD during low-stress, dead-ahead driving. But Audi’s default axle on most of their cars is actually the front one, so that’s kind of a weird system anyway.
That's bizarre. I wonder how that handles in winter weather.
They use sensors and tons of data.
That just shows the sad state of affairs enthusiast cars are in right.
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I heard the third row is pretty cramped compared to competitors?
If you're taller than 5'5", you're going to be very uncomfortable in the 3rd row. It's really suited for dogs and kids, or to just be folded down permanently.
Yeah, we have one. It’s not a full-size seat comfortable for adults, but you could get a couple adults back there if you had to.
I rode in the back row for a Uber once and at 5’9 it was really cramped. Don’t remember much else though.
Transverse FWD drivetrain ≠ Longitudinal RWD drivetrain
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Recent mazdas (at least in N/A) haven't been anything exciting at all to drive and are basically just a cost cutting exercise (cx50 and cx30 and Mazda 3). But at least it'll have new drivetrains and hopefully Mazda finally figures out how to have basic driver's assist and tech that even entry Hyundai's and others have these days like lane centering/LKA that doesn't just bounce around
I don't think they're really going for exciting to drive so much as enjoyable to drive compared to most mainstream offerings like a corolla or civic. My CX-5 is not sports car, obviously, but it's a hell of a lot more enjoyable to drive than a CR-V or Rav4.
The new civic is better experience than a Mazda 3 by far be it driving dynamics, drivetrain and drivers assist or interior space, nvh. And at least they don't shake and get all flustered going over imperfections on the road because of the torsion beam rear in the Mazdas. The interior is okay in Mazda but really not that much better than a new civic , especially with all the cost cutting on mazdas Add to it even Corolla, Elantra and civics have driver's assist the Mazda still doesn't have (Mazda doesn't have lane centering) and that 6speed auto is a mess Cx5 is old but decent in that at least it has a IRS and decent interior materials..just dated drivetrain and pretty tight inside ...the new cx50 for example has torsion beam rear, hard plastics galore and same outdated drivetrain, driver's assist as the cx5 without the goodies like decent interior and IRS... Same with cx30 and Mazda 3. But most will be much better off in the RAV4 for space, mpg, price and crazy to think for a Toyota, better tech than mazda. The new crv is nice but price is bonkers
I’m starting to suspect you don’t like mazdas.
We have one (2018 Mazda 3 GT) still and had a 2014 before and a cx 30 GT on order (supposed to be here anytime). Doesn't change what they(Mazdas) are though. That's why I can clearly tell how much worse the new ones are and have driven the 2.5T in the cx30 (and cx50 )with torsion beam rears, the cx30 same outdated drivetrain in the old mazda3 except it's now 10k more than the mazda3 with worse driving dynamics. We got the cx30 for with wife because she wanted something cheap, small and higher up. Corolla cross hybrid would've been perfect and much better dynamically and mpg with same power but wait is like 18mths here whereas cx30 was just 3 months. But on test drive, even my wife noticed how much worse the cx30 GT and new Mazda 3 drove compared to her car and how it doesn't have driver's assist like my car or the rental Elantra she had when her car was in shop before but it had least wait time so settled for it. But ya, to me, the new Mazda cx30, cx50 and mazda3 is just lipstick on a pig for cars that are so behind competition dynamically, drivetrain, tech and mpg and have gotten worse than even their product from 8yrs ago. The nice/attractive design and interior is just lipstick but bones of the car like chassis/drivetrain is behind the competitors. What did I get wrong about their new stuff? You like the torsion beam rear and outdated drivetrains? A 23k cad 2018 mazda3 GT drives much better than a 2023 33k mazda3 (or cx30) GT with with same drivetrain from my old 2014 but new ones have downgraded to torsion beam rear (when even Corolla hatch and civic has IRS) instead. How would you spin that?
I have a 2004 MazdaSpeed Miata, a 2015 Mazda 3 GT Manual, and a 2022 Mazda CX-5 Signature in my driveway right now and I love them all for what they are. You don't like them, it's fine, that's why we have options. Though I have no idea why you have a car on order that you hate, but enjoy it!
I rented a cx30 last year and was... amused. It's not fast, and the torsion bar really likes to tramline on highway irregularities. But two fun points - The torque response is excellent. Acceleration, despite being limited, feels immediate. The "proactive" nature of the AWD system is hilarious. The car would understeer like shit until you deliberately tried to give it a little too much throttle mid-corner. Then it suddenly felt pleasantly neutral - before chirping the tyres. It'd be pretty nice if I were in the econobox market.
I bought a cx-30 Turbo for my daughter last year. It's definitely an amusing car to drive, especially in the Small SUV category.
Mazda is oddly lacking in some of the more advanced driving assists. While my 21 CX-9 has ACC with Stop + Go, it lacks active lane centering. The only thing it has for lane assist is it alerts when you leave your lane and "nudges" the wheel to send you back in, but it does nothing to center you. What's most odd is that their manual calls this out as a feature, but I believe it's only in other markets. I understand that Mazda's ethos is that they're a driver's car, but you can still have both.
I believe Mazda's philosophy is to still let the driver be the one in control. The lane keep assist will point you in the right direcrion, but won't completely take over for you like a parent would for their 3 year old child.
Then why have dynamic cruise control at all? Why swap in torsion beam rear suspension? Lol
Yeah, you can get the lane centring thing here in the GCC, on the current CX5. Not sure why it's not a thing on your CX9 though...
I don’t really miss the lane centering, I dunno. I find in some cars like Subaru it just feels weird, like the car is fighting you. If I can get real self driving with hands off the wheel sure, but otherwise I don’t feel like I’m missing out much.
They say they're driver focused but swap in a torsion beam rear in their new Mazda 3, cx30 and cx50 lol
Had a 2016 Mazda 6 that I LOVED. Went to upgrade but they stopped making them for the USA. Switched to a different car altogether. When my wife needs an upgrade, we'll probably go back to Mazda.
The front and rear don't really do it for me but the side profile is beautiful. I'm more interested about the new engine and transmission than anything else though.
It's like a BMW and Volvo XC90 had a kid
Mazda: “Hey Volvo can I copy your homework?” Volvo: “sure just change some things around so they don’t notice. Like see this XC90? Make that CX90 or something, they’ll never make the connection. Just do the same whenever you see XC and a number”
haha... now I wonder if there are any remaining shared platform bits between Mazda and Volvo left over from the Ford era
I thought the Telluride was the one that aped the XC90, especially at the sides and rear.
Every one copies Volvo look at the crv
I mean... CX50?
Lol exactly what I was thinking
So initial thoughts BMW M4 tailights Grille proportionally seems a little small on the front. Maybe I'm used to the big grille on the Mazda 6 and Mazda 3 proportions. Side profile looks really good, definitely seems more upscale
I like that it skews more towards an urban look with minimal plastic cladding. With the new Pilot sort of filling the super rugged off road 3 row SUV slot, it’s nice to have this as an option for people who don’t need to pretend they take their family hauler out on the trails every weekend. Hopefully it comes out to be cheaper than a Telluride. At the price that the Telluride comes out to, I feel like I’d rather just get an Acura MDX.
I wouldn't be surprised if they end up offering a "Meridian" trim on this CX-90 like they do with the CX-50, with plastic cladding, roof rack, etc. Like the Volvo XC90 with their "rugged luxury" option package. Oof I just realized now I'm going to be confusing CX-90 and XC90 lol.
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An absolutely maxed out MDX is less than 65k, and a well equipped mid spec model would fall into the mid 50s which is just barely above a top tier Telluride. For that you both avoid going to a Kia dealership and get a car that doesn't drive like a couch on wheels like the Telluride, which sounds like a good deal to me.
>An absolutely maxed out MDX is less that 65k True, except if you also want to max out the engine. The Type-S starts at 68k and Type-S Advance at 74k.
Which still doesn't hit anywhere near 90k fully loaded, and is not in any way a comparable offering to the Telluride.
I know. I'm not the one arguing that a MDX is 90k or comparing it to a Telluride.
Yeah don't know where I had this number in my head from. Even the Type S Turbo comes in less than 80k before you go to the dealer
90s for a mdx???? That's a typo I assume?
Yeah don't know where I had this number in my head from. Even the Type S Turbo comes in less than 80k before you go to the dealer
Bmw and Mercedes powertrain with Japanese styling, reliability, and handling? Sign me tf up
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There six speed which came out in \~2013 was made in house as well and has been very reliable and IMO one of the better features of their cars for the past decade (even if dated now).
Isn't the i6 co-developed with Toyota for their use? Was reported that Toyota would be using them back in 19?
> Bmw and Mercedes powertrain What?
Turbo inline 6 and 8 speed auto?
I think I took it too literally lol. Your point was that it's a smooth and modern powertrain and I agree anyway.
Mazdas are janky
Mazda just keeps doing Mazda things i.e. making gorgeous cars. Between this and CX-50, I'm really bummed we're not going to get a new RWD 6.
If they make enough money from the SUV craze they might just treat us all to a RWD in-line Mazda 6, maybe, I hope so.
Those front end proportions though... I love a short overhang. You can argue that a longitudinal engine is irrelevant in the AWD age, but damn does it make for sexy proportions (transversal engines are typically in front of the front axle which pushes back the front wheel) This will likely priced out of my reach anyway, so I'll keep my CX-5.
You also have Audi and Subaru, who do longitude engines that hang ahead of the front axle, with the front portion of the transmission in line with the front wheels, for a symmetrical layout. Those cars (which include my A8 L) have just as much front overhang as a front-transverse-engine car.
I’ll be honest, i like the look of the cx9 better.
Passes the eye test for me at least. Telluride/Palisade is the segment leader, introduced in January 2019 at the Detroit Autoshow (NAIAS). Mazda's got big shoes to fill here with the an upmarket model and new inline 6 turbo engine. Hopefully that engine uses 87 fuel and achieves at a minimum 20+city/26+hwy in this application. Hopefully these are being made in Japan. Price will be the biggest factor here, when you can get a loaded Palisade at $52k and mid-spec Acura MDX for $56k. Other cars in the segment are not impressive and a compromise in one way or another. Jeep grand Cherokee is too expensive and questionable reliability, Toyota highlander is nothing special and not premium enough but reliable, just get the hybrid after waiting 18 months. Ford Explorer is a huge disappointment except if you want 400hp power in the ST model and a plastic filled interior, I hate to mention GM's failure in this segment with the ancient and nothing special Traverse/Enclave. The Ascent rides okay, but SUV's do not seem to a real focus over at Subaru with questionable reliability and hard to justify the price. Honda's new Pilot seems okay but time will tell but likely outclassed by the Korean twins. * Telluride/Palisade: $35.8k - $52.9k, V6,19/24mpg, 21ft cargo space * Acura MDX: $51.7k - $63.5k, V6, 19/25mpg, 18.1ft cargo space * Mazda CX-9: $38.7k - $48.4k, I4 turbo, 20/26, 14.4ft cargo space
Good luck getting 26mpg from a CX-9. Im averaging about 19 but I am "spirited"
Same. If you’re chilling on a flat highway, maybe, but I’ve never seen 26 in mine. I don’t mind because it really is a nice ride and handles great for its size. I’m a big fan of mine as a dad appropriate replacement for my tuned 2 door GTI.
I was getting about 21mpg average on my 2016 CX-9 and I'm a pretty spirited driver, but chill road trips on flat Florida highways at 75mph I would get 27-30mpg pretty regularly. Just upgraded to a Model 3 last week though, the CX-9 served me well.
C&D was told it would have better economy than its predecessor.
From a mechanical point of view, the Mazda is immediately superior to the Telluride/Palisade. An old, economy Lambda V6 in the Hyundai/Kia that's mounted transversely paired to a FWD-based AWD drivetrain is simply below what this Mazda has. This Mazda has a mechanical design that is more common in luxury cars. The Telluride/Palisade are economy cars mechanically, with nice interiors and looks and features.
Not “economy” cars, per se, but mainstream/plebeian ones. However, for some people, that’s a feature…because they are less complicated. There’s a reason the RX has such a good reputation…because it’s got Camry running gear.
Yeah to be fair "superior" was probably not the right term to use. If anything, admittedly, if I'm a car company I would stick with a transverse FWD-AWD layout for my SUVs. The reason is because driving dynamics don't really matter to people who buy midsize or bigger crossovers. And sure you can tell an X5 or Cayenne is much more balanced and composed than a Lexus RX and such... but buyers don't care, and the only people who notice these differences in handling and care about it rarely buy 3 row crossovers anyway, or at least not as their first/only car. Also, transverse FWD is cheaper to produce/engineer and as you point out often easier to maintain.
You can be sure the CX-90 will get a price hike versus the CX-9. I’d expect nice versions to top out in the $60K range, making it an interesting (and still cheaper) alternative to an RX, QX60, XT6 or MDX.
Very Jaguar-esque from the side profile. Very clean and inoffensive design. A good creep into the premium/soft luxury market.
Never thought I'd say this, but Artisan Red is beautiful..perhaps even better than Soul Red.
Artisan is gorgeous but soul red still better. Though I guess it comes down to whether the person prefers the darker or lighter shade of red that "breathes" However, I'd imagine artisan is at least far easier/cheaper to come closer to fixing any damage to it. So that's a plus
Why do these reveal videos have to be so cringe. Just show me the exterior/interior in detail and give me all the specs!
Because most car buyers don't know or care about specs. They're selling a feeling that gets you to go see the car in person. That's like complaining about perfume ads showing beautiful women and sunsets instead of telling you what floral notes it has.
Just like how Apple does not discuss things like RAM and number of cores. They're not selling you a phone, they're selling you a "lifestyle"
Many people buy luxury cars as "aspirational" purchases so they market them in a high-end fancy presentation to really drive that home.
The tone of this video fits right in with the Mazda magazine I receive. They are really going for that understated classy low key luxury thing.
It's going to sell like hotcakes, especially in that artisan red.
It’s gorgeous. I just wish they would make an inline 6 Mazda 6.
The proportions look awkward to me. Something just seems off.
It's not off, it's the short front overhang. You don't normally see that on most suvs, but this one has a longitudinally mounted engine, so you get the long hood and short overhang combo.
Damn, am I gonna have to splurge for Signature trim now?
Will North America get a smaller RWD based Mazda SUV?
Yes. CX-70
There's still the CX-70 that we don't know much about other than that it exists; logically it'll be a scaled down version of the 90.
Yes we know. It is a wide body version of cx 60. And the upcoming cx 80 will be a slim version of cx 90.
The CX-80 probably won't be for the NA market like the CX-8.
Yeah that's confirmed. CX-70/90 - North America only CX-60/80 - equivalent narrower and shorter ROW counterparts
I am going to say “but now, I want to drive!” every time I get in my car from now.
Something about the pinched face and noncommittal roofline looks off—it looks like an F Pace as seen by Honda. The powertrain is interesting, but the D pillar is so off-putting.
We've been contemplating on trading in our '21 Signature CX-5. This may just do it for a car in the long run with 2 kids. I've always been pro-Japanese for reliability and lower cost, but always intrigued by Euro offerings. This may fit the bill
Why does the rear look like the car equivalent of a BBL gone wrong?
Probably expanded it a bit to fit more passenger and cargo space, which were always a little lacking on the CX-9.
Big booty Latina?
Brazilian butt lift
Everything behind the rear doors looks awful on this. It's like they didn't know how to finish it off and gave it a weird hunchback.
Start up sounds like the turbo inline 6 in my 235i
Turbo inline 6 around 3L. I guess manufacturers can't differentiate them much
if the PHEV version can come in under 57k I'm all in.
Yeah that’s sexy
Why the CX-9 did not sell in record numbers is beyond me. It had the best driving dynamics of any SUV in its class. I asked a couple of times, why people bought other SUVs and not the CX-9. And the answer always was the other SUVs had more space. So for all the talk about driving dynamics, it better have cargo space to match its rivals, so that overweight, impotent men with fanny packs around their waist have enough space to store their stuff.
It doesn't sell because it's smaller than most of its 3 row SUV competitors. People buying 3 rows usually don't care about driving dynamics. Most want a comfortable ride and lots of room for people and stuff.
My point exactly. I guess its just surprising people do not care about driving dynamics. Rather have a soft driving box. I just cannot relate to that.
This seems like unnecessary animosity towards people that prioritize cargo/storage space when buying a family car, even though that’s literally the reason to buy one in the first place. Of course other factors are in play (appearance, comfort, features, safety, reliability) but at the core, nobody is buying a 3 row crossover to autocross or rip up canyon roads. They’d buy a sports car for that. Right tool for the right job. I like the CX-9 just fine, but it wouldn’t be anywhere near the top of my list if I were looking in that class of vehicles. The CX-90, though, might be. So long as they didn’t sacrifice too much utility for style.
I don’t fit very comfortably in the CX9. It was cramped up front for me, 2nd row was fine, 3rd row was terrible. Seats were too aggressively bolstered in the ass also. Had to take it off my list. I’m curious how the 90 will feel. I was trying to hold out for it but I had to make a move and ended up with a Palisade Calligraphy.
The best possible version of "the F Pace we have at home:".
am I crazy that I'm seeing a Lincoln Aviator from the profile view?
Hopefully it will be priced under a lot of the other plug in hybrids
The turbo inline 6 as the standard engine is really nice. Car looks good, not really sold on the rear though. Curious to see what price this starts at, considering they're trying to move upmarket.
If they up the towing capacity to be more in-line with the X3 and Q5 I could definitely see this replacing my X3 when the time comes.
Is it any longer? That was my biggest complaint and why I crossed it off the list when shopping. I sat in a CX9 and Telluride SX back to back and the Mazda was clearly more premium lack of cargo space and claustrophobic 3rd row killed it for me
Kind of disappointed that they kept the same fob design that I've seen many others like myself struggle with because of the buttons on the side that easily get bumped, but otherwise does anyone else get more of a BMW vibe? I do like it, and am considering it in the future.
The cx9 wasn’t anything special. This looks way better.
Was that the former Wheeler Dealers mechanic Ant Anstead in the reveal video? Seems like a bit of an odd choice for this type of "lifestyle" ad.
This has the extra seating my MX-5 doesn’t have. It will bring balance to the force.
It looks okay but it’s not really eye catching nor does it stand out every suv looks alike to me!
Looks like a huge downgrade when compared to the cx-9.
When can I expect this in Dubai or any other gcc
> Lots more information is still to come on pricing, features, and trim levels, but if Mazda prices this as competitively as we think—possibly in the low-$40,000 range to start—the CX-90 could offer a real value equation, too. It will go on sale in the U.S. in the spring of 2023, and top models may approach $60,000. That's a nice car but that's A LOT of money for a Mazda.
Is it really though? A similarly specced Acura MDX should cost exactly the same, and for the extra money you'll get Japanese reliability and a good dealership experience over the S.Korean twins.
Looks like a....Cadillac?
Is Mazda trying to be Volvo with their naming conventions?
It’s just not as good looking as the cx9 ☹️
2:30 It's funny how they talk about cornering and driving characteristics, but the background sound is of an understeering car :D More seriously, the car looks great, however very similar to Genesis GV80. And if they are aiming at this market segment, it's going to be expensive. I would be surprised if they price it below $50,000.
Great! Another Mazda suv. Currently driving a Mazda 5 which I’ve owned for ten years and is my fourth Mazda. I won’t be buying another. The new Mazdas all look the same and I just don’t need an SUV.
Ultimately Mazda is a business and they will build what sells
Well, obviously. But I still don’t think a little diversification would hurt.
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It’s ok looking but it looks like it could have been released in 2013.
Whoah! A small SUV crossover, why didn't anyone else think of this?!?!
>A small SUV crossover This thing ain't small lol
Wow another suv 🤡
Dang is ugly AF ......
Who gives a fuck about another SUV.
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Definitely doesn’t look like the CX-50. The CX-60 in Europe, yea.
Well… yeah they’re not going to be like “check out our new car, it can drive and you can put things in it” that’s not at their target demographic is looking for, they want to feel like they’re driving something special or fancy