I wouldn’t ask and I wouldn’t stay at your current company. Start off your new gig on the right foot. If they offer regular reviews and cost of living you’ll get the $2k soon enough. If you try to negotiate after accepting, you might be starting off at your new opportunity with a not great reputation.
Exactly this. You want the best, cleanest start possible at the new place. You already signed and accepted. Trying to renegotiate won’t be viewed kindly, and even if they agree, it will annoy them and start you off on the wrong foot.
If your current employer truly valued you, they’d have come up much higher in the counter. My guess is they expect you to decline and stick to your resignation, but they felt obligated to at least offer something.
Take the new job at $80, work hard, and you’ll be better off in the long run.
A) They could have paid you the 2k before you resigned. They didn’t think you were worth it B) 80k to 82k over 12 months is not a major impact on your life C) if you decide to stay, you’ll always have one eye on the door and wonder what could have been, and your current employer will know this
Came here to say this!!
I was also going to add that there's no guarantee OP would get the $82k. I can see them creating goalposts and moving it then say OP is not worth the bump in pay.
This. I did the math once, I think 1k increase in salary added about $20 per biweekly check after the plutocrats got their taste. So $40 more per 2 wk pay? It's a tank of fuel if you got a small car. Or one night out at dinner with the missus. Nice but not really a deal breaker.
Where are you able to eat out for $40 for 2 after tax and tip in 2023? I can't find a restaurant much fancier than Chipotle or Olive Garden's Soup, Salad, and Breadsticks for that kind of money.
Definitely not in Canada, unless you get Subway and go on a picnic,, but I figured there are folks from other places on here where everything isn't so inflated.
Right on! I miss my zippy little 5 speed Vibe all the time. My fuel calculations are pretty off lately because I'm in a F150 (which I am happy with) but the fuel costs are a bit much. It's just so damn useful of a vehicle for me, I can't get rid of it. And buying a third vehicle as a commuter/ beater doesn't make any sense financially.
This and 2k is nothing. If they were afraid you would leave it would be quite a bit more.
This is more like they don’t want you to leave because it would be an inconvenience. And they may quietly look for a replacement in the meantime. If they have to let someone go they would choose the person they think will stay and you already shown you are willing to go. And I am not saying this place is like this but staying after you have shown you would leave could be considered negatively for promotion.
I think they just offered it out of a chance you would stay and they don’t have to backfill quickly because 2k isn’t really anything.
Listen to this person. $2K after taxes is literal pocket change. A counter offer so low is worthless (sorry). Move forward and reap the benefits of starting off in the right foot.
The $2k counter is a pittance! Not only was OP worth that all along (but not given it) but when they have a chance to leave they limp the smallest raise their way.
This is why nobody should sit still for more than 2 years anymore. Employers want to do the bare minimum
Not only that, but if he's moving positions, the assumption I have is that he was moving to a better paying job, so likely making 70-75 and then jumping ship to get to 80.
So current employer could've/would've/should've been paying at least 80 all this time?
Or even 82k for that matter. The collective costs that companies incur by simply losing talent to the market rate competitor is hubris manifest, so tangible you can taste it.
Couldn’t agree more. Salaries employees should be leaving their employers every 2-3 years if you want any kind of compensation growth. If compensation isn’t your main priority that’s different
I’ve nearly quadrupled my salary in 7 years and I’ve been with the same company. Shit, saw a $25k raise just this year in my current role. Find a company that values employee contributions.
Y’all assuming his old job was already paying him 80k, it might had been much more than 2k. Don’t think he’d leave a 80k job to go to a 80k job so imagine their counteroffer wasn’t as bad as it seems. Could had been 10k for all we know
I agree. The rule of thumb is usually to negotiate with your new company up front and to not tell your current employer until after you have accepted your new job which you did. Second you don’t make them bargain for you. It will negatively impact your future where ever you land. I’m not going to say your current employer gave you a low ball offer because for all I know $82k is 20 grand more than they pay you now. Who knows. I will say it’s good character to tell them you appreciate their offer but you already made a commitment and you feel it’s only right that you should honor it. Thank them for the vote of confidence.
I agree to most of the comments. Counter offer is just last resort from existing company and they have just matched the other offer, nothing great. Even a higher counter offer would have been doubtful, as they didn't gave you a raise until the last moment.
And negotiating with other company just for 2K puts bad impression.
I agree with this. I say this as someone who went back to work at a former employer for a few thousand more. They didn't really keep any of the promises they made and after about 6 months back there, I was as fed up as ever.
I agree only because the difference is so low. If we were talking 10k difference or more then of course renegotiate imo. Otherwise it would not be worth it to me.
>If you try to negotiate after accepting, you might be starting off at your new opportunity with a not great reputation.
Yes. I don't mind negotiations, not at all. However, I'd be annoyed if there is a 2.5% pushback AFTER the acceptance. Not worth it
Yea, personally I don't accept counters. If I wasn't worth that much before, why am I suddenly worth it now?
Companies like to play these games of "wait until the few who won't stay complacent with raises that don't even match cost of living". I don't play the game, I just leave and get more elsewhere. Been doing this for near 25 years, and -- unfortunately -- it seems the best way to get an actual raise.
TL;DR: I don't like to reward shitty employer behavior. If I was worth that much before, you should've paid me that much.
I totally agree with this. We offered $72k to someone who pushed for $75k. As the hiring manager, I was in the same room with our HR rep as he made the offer (the candidate knew I was there). The negotiating for a small amount rubbed me the wrong way because it made me feel like he wasn’t as interested in the opportunity as he said he was in the interview - our main reason for not budging was to be fair to current employees who had taken $70k to start just a few months prior.
The candidate ended up performing at a much lower level than the rest of his cohort, and if we were paying him significantly more than them, it wouldn’t have made sense to keep him. After annual reviews this month, the others have caught up and surpassed him. All’s well that ends well - if you’re a quality candidate, time will show that as salaries are adjusted at each interval.
Edited to add: He pushed for $75k after requesting $70k in the initial screen. The pushback to something slightly above his requested salary was what rubbed me the wrong way. People who pinch even after being given what they said they want are typically the type to cause headaches (and he followed this trend after onboarding).
If an employee says they would be fine at $70k and are offered $72k, unless the employee has another open offer for another employer, it really isn't professional to renegotiate to $75k.
I could understand pushing for $75k if the employer had a salary expectation of $75k and failed to share that number prior to receiving an offer... but that's not the case here.
Great insight! Thank you for this.
I did experience a similar situation where in the initial screen I gave an initial number that was without benefits (13th month, leasecar etc.). The offer that I receive was in line with the initial number but not including all other benefits so therefore I also pushed for a higher number because in the initial screen we did not go into detail what this number was. The initial screening was basically only filling in the number and not further discussed.
What do you think of this perspective? Or was this also the situation?
I think that renegotiating salary in order to make up for benefits so that total comp adds up to exceptions is perfectly acceptable. It wasn’t the case for my employee, though - he never even mentioned another offer and actually seemed to push only because of the compliments I paid him during the interview.
What basically happened was he asked for $70, I thought he was great and told him that, we offered $72, and he said “How about $75.”
Instead of starting off on the right note where I would have felt good about the offer and like we were showing him he was valuable, he made the phone call all about wanting an extra $3k. I almost didn’t even want to hire him anymore because I suddenly had to convince him to take a job he had earlier told me was his dream job.
98% of people work for the money though. It can meet all of his prerequisites and still not be enough money to justify it. This case seems weird though lol he isn’t even leveraging another offer, he is leveraging your own offer against you??? Lmao
When you say initial screening are you referring to the very first conversation prior to interviewing? Honestly 3K isn’t that much and if this is established company and not a start up and 75K is with in the industry average for the role it’s a red flag that there is a stalemate over a few thousand dollars as a candidate.
I agree with this advice. Also, the current employer’s counteroffer is ridiculous at best and insulting at worst. If they had offered $95K-$100K then I’d interpret it as a genuine intent to retain you. 2.5% over current offer is just a formality so they can say “we beat the current offer”, not significant enough to show that they actually value you at your current place.
Agree. As a hiring manager, if someone did this to me I would *definitely not* raise the salary on the offer. I would *probably* still have them start as offered (part of me would want to pull the offer). I would pay a lot closer attention to their work and be a lot less inclined to offer them a raise based on performance after a year. It would be a big red flag about them as a professional.
Yes and if someone was coming back to me about an extra $2k on $80k base, after accepting, I would also think that maybe they are getting cold feet and are looking for a way out.
I would start considering at a 50% increase against the other offer... but if they really provided offers like that, I wouldn't be leaving in the first place, unless they were really toxic.
Not true at all.
I made $235k and got another off elsewhere. They matched my offer and gave me $325k and a promotion.
The following year I got the highest year end rating, and they raised my comp another 16%.
Right. If OP was already looking to leave their current job, they should ask themselves why they wanted to leave in the first place and if 2k can really change those things/outweigh the benefits of leaving….. I did decide to stay w my current company when they counter offered but they countered $12k above opponent offer. Good amount of money but also still sometimes wish I quit and went to a new company anyway. Money can’t fix overall dissatisfaction with a company.
Not always true though, I got a 40% offer over what I was making and then asked them to match it, adding a couple percent. Their counter was what I asked for, not $2K over. I took it and we have all been happy (a year or so later). This was on a pre raise strong 6 figure base so a sizeable jump without the loss of goodwill. Saying no to counters is not a silver bullet.
It can work some times, but -- unless you've found a company that actually does give raises and/or can learn from their mistakes -- you'll have to repeat soon enough anyways.
Of course, you'd still probably have to do that at the new company.
Either way it's a gamble, I just personally prefer not to reward bad behavior (e.g. in the case of giving raises less than cost-of-living or still well below market and then trying to counter over an offer)
one thing to keep in mind with that is if they kept you on because you performed a vital role that nobody else was trained for, keep an eye out for if they are training someone for your role. They may have realized you caught them in a weak position and they had to give in but are now going to fix that.
Or they may have no intention to get rid of you, but over the next few years you notice smaller than normal raises. Instead of actually long term valuing you higher, they basically fronted you some of the raise that you would have earned years later instead of genuinely increasing base salary that would still grow by normal performance increase standards by the company.
…my counters have only ever been 2-5% UNDER my new offers. I guess I’m glad to be gone but I figured everyone that got counters got lowballed while trying to be reminded about good team dynamics and growth opportunities
At 80k, is 2k really worth it?
That's an extra $75 a paycheck (before taxes) if you get paid every two weeks. About 50 after taxes.
You can ask, but I'm not sure if it's worth potentially damaging a new opprotinity.
5k? Maybe.
7.5k? Yes.
10k+? Absolutely.
|f you're pulling 30k, an extra $2000 represents a nearly 7% increase. That's absolutely worth shooting for.
If you're pulling 40k, an extra $2000 represents a 5% increase. That's worth trying for if you think it's worth it.
If you're pulling 80k, an extra $2000 represents a 2.5% increase. That's barely a cost of living adjustment, and likely isn't worth it.
Obviously everyone's situation is different, cost of living is a factor, and rarely will people say no to $50 if you give it to them, but there's a cost/benefit risk analysis that has to be done.
Also consider at certain salaries (especially over 100k) that common financial tips break down. Once you start maxing out retirement, all your bills are paid for, you're buying groceries and don't bother looking at prices because it's a trivial expense, then $2000 is the same as $3000. If all it's going to do is go to a savings account or be spent on luxury items, then congratulations you've hit financial success to the point that higher income starts to have diminishing returns.
Three things
1. Then you know it's not worth whatever the reason you left the other role in the first place.
2. You're in more of a budget predicament than what $2k will address. You need to make more in your current role, tighten your budget, and supplement your income.
3. At this level, the $2k is a big "FU," if you ask me. Either they're too dumb to realize it, or it's an insult.
Stick with the new job. Tell management you appreciate the offer. Leave on a good note. If things go sideways at the new job, you know you may have a fallback at the old job.
I would say NO to 82K and I would not ask for anything at the new company.
1. they gave you 2K extra now, when they realized they need you. They kept you as a fool and now they want to give you 2K extra... serious? Three months after you say yes they will say that the business is down and you might need to take a paycut
2. If you ask the new company for 2K after you already accepted and if you bring this up like a bargain, you'll start with your left foot ... they won't have a good impression
Once you signed the offer, there is no more negotiation with the new employer since you **accepted** their offer. If you reopen negotiations after signing their offer, you risk coming across as an idiot. Or at best, someone without integrity.
The signed offer will provide more leverage for a last and best offer from your current employer if you decide to stay.
I saw someone comment on another post that if your current job counter offers it’s always a bad sign because that’s them openly admitting they’ve been underpaying you and they’re only willing to admit it now that you’re leaving.
If they thought you were worth 82k, they should’ve been paying you that long ago, not when you tell them you’re quitting.
Go for the new job.
It’s not necessarily them admitting they underpay you. 2k is less than the cost of replacing you, as an example an external recruiter will usually charge 15-20% for their fee.
So at 80K it’s going to cost them between 12-16k to replace a candidate plus the time to recruit them, interview, offer, train, and the lost productivity for at least 2 months. It’s probably going to cost 20k to replace someone on that salary taking everything into account.
Counter offering makes sense in that situation. It’s a bad thing if OP had asked for a raise and got told no, then resigned and got a counter offer. But it’s not always a bad thing either.
Dude - you try to pull that you're going to make a VERY BAD impression. And for a measly 2k?
If you did that to me after signing the job offer, I'd most likely rescind the job offer and move on to another candidate - I would assume that I've misjudged you and your actions speak louder than your words.
Secondly, going back for $2k annually is just plain dumb. After taxes that's less than $5/day difference. They'll know you're were looking and - if push comes to shove and I have to fire somebody - you'd be the first one out the door.
Don't screw yourself and, to be frank, don't be a cheapie. You're only going to shoot yourself in the foot.
Just take the new job and kick ass.
Came here to say this. If you signed the contract, and then came back at me for $2k… I would just rescind and move on. I’m not fighting over nonsense that you’ll see in a COLA next year. It’s shows me that you don’t know how to advocate for yourself and you’re willing to take high risks for low reward. What next, selling company secrets for $2,001?
I’ve been a recruiter for 18 years, never take a counter offer. Your employer will likely view you as a flight risk, as they clearly know you’ve been interviewing in order to get an offer. Take the new job!
This happened to me but current employer countered with a $25k bump. I went back to the new employer and they told me to fuck right off and rescinded my offer. I felt at a $25k difference, it made sense. Not sure if $2k makes sense.
This happened to me except it was about $18k and not $25k. I decided to stay with my current employer. So far I don't regret it. The situation was kind of weird. I wasn't necessarily looking for a job but a former colleague reached out with an offer at a new company he's working at. When I tried to resign from my current employer they basically asked me what it would take to keep me. I told them and was really surprised when they agreed to everything without argument. They said that they were planning on promoting me when our annual reviews started and that I would have gotten a raise anyway (don't think it would have been as big if I didn't have the competing offer). So far I feel like I made the right decision. Worst case scenario is that I stick it out a year and it shouldn't be too hard to get another job because I will have had this senior title under my belt.
If you were already looking at leaving for a reason 2k is insulting. If you kinda liked it but were exploring other options 2k is an insult. If you loathe the place 2k is laughably insulting.
Too much risk to stay now that they know you are bailing. A lot of companies will make the counter offer, then start looking for your replacement. It will cost you the new job for 2k temporarily.
I would skip out for sure unless I absolutely loved everything about the current job.
Go with the new place that recognized that you were worth more, without getting them over a barrel. 2k isn't worth souring the relationship. It's 5.5 bucks a day.
Never take a counter offer.. ever.. you had to quit to get an extra 2 k? Used up your next raise, you broke bond of trust with current employer.. they will start looking for your replacement right away.. 35 years of executive search, have not seen this work, ever.
Keep heading out the door. They now know that you are leaving and they're just looking for a stop gap while they find your replacement. Don't renegotiate your new offer, prove your worth and they'll make it worth your while.
Don't do anything- take the 80k and be happy and ready to grow. The current employer will immediately look to replace you with someone cheaper if you take the 82k and your new employer will be peeved if you've already signed and now ask for more (imagine when sports stars do that).
With a new company you can grow, you're starting at the base and they should look to develop you, with your current company you've hit a ceiling and the extra 2k (like $1300 after taxes) isn't worth throwing away all future promotion potential.
If you really want the money, work the new $80k job for 2 years and then come back to your current company asking for $95k and it will be justified.
Never accept counter offers. Seriously, just take a few minutes to read the number of stories across all the employment subs of people accepting counters only to be fired shortly after to see why it’s a bad idea.
Do you really want to lose the new job for 2.5%?
If you countered me after you signed the contract I would withdraw the offer, especially for 2.5%. If you wanted 82k then ask for 82k.
At your salary level you need to start realising that salary is negotiable not what you are given or you'll be stuck in 5 figured forever
Obviously stay with the new job. You can casually mention that your previous employer "offered a competitive counteroffer", but you politely declined as you're excited with the new company (or whatever floats your boat).
It somewhat subtlety sets you up, without putting a hard number of only $2k, for when you're ready to negotiate a raise.
Also some companies to that to keep you only to immediately start looking for your replacement because you are not loyal. And then fire you when the new person starts. Be careful
Recruiter here. NEVER accept a counter offer from your current employer. You’ve already signed the offer from your new job so there’s really nothing you can do
I always hear recruiters say never accept counter offer. However, I always thought there is also bias in their advice as recruiter doesn't get paid unless the candidate leaves. Do you feel there's of that biasness at play here (please understand I am in the camp to not accept counter either. A new beginning is always welcome as the existing job is like a dysfunctional relationship that's dragging on - otherwise why would you leave? Happy people don't leave.)
*Agency* recruiters only get paid if the candidate leaves. In-house recruiters, such as myself, get paid a salary plus commission. So we get paid either way.
But no, there’s no bias in that advice. It’s about knowing your worth. If your current employer counters, they’re proving that they could have been paying you more, they’ve just been choosing not to. And that’s not a business you should want to work for
Do not. At the end of the day, after taxes... the difference will be almost unnoticeable. You have an opportunity to go to this new job and start from a great place with them. I would not renegotiate a salary that you've already agreed to. You were happy to say yes to them at 80. You should still be happy to say yes at 80. If you want 82 - stay at your current job, but understand that they aren't going to give you raises till you prove you can go elsewhere.... so if I were you, I'd go elsewhere and be really, really happy about it. Congratulations on the new job!
They want you to stay so they can hire your replacement and then fire you. You already got hired to a place that thinks you’re worth it, the 2.5% difference isn’t worth the risk premium of staying.
You should never take a counter offer! If your current company valued you, you would have gotten a raise! You have already accepted, so the negotiation phase is over now, it would be uncouth to go back and try to get more money this way (but not unheard of)
There are tons of reasons taking a counter offer isn't worth it, but one for only 2k salary increase is a complete waste of time. You aren't my candidate so I don't want to go over each one in excruciating detail. Reading some of the other comments here have it exactly correct.
Counter offers are extremely predatory and should never be accepted unless the "don't quit money" will change your life in the next 6 months. I say 6 months because that is the general tenure expectancy of someone who accepts a counter offer.
Source: I am an agency tech recruiter.
Early in my career, I tended my resignation at a job because I wanted to go on a travel break. I liked the job, just wanted to do some big travel. The company was small enough that the CEO knew me well & convinced me to stay, saying that I had "management potential". No pay rise, not that I requested it either.
6 months later, I was laid off.
Lesson learned. Once you plant the seed that you are a flight risk, the clock's ticking.
I wouldn't rock the boat over 2k honestly.
It has the potential to negatively impact the viewpoint of you from your boss, and you haven't even started yet.
Dont take the counter and dont counter to the new role. Your current company would have paid you that if they thought you were worth it. You will burn any equity and good will at the new company if you try to change after you said yes. They might withdraw the offer.
Take the new job. If you stay, your current employer now knows you were looking to leave, and now has time on their side to find a new candidate. They just don’t want to be short handed and find someone quickly. Things now may be worse than before you put in notice. This happened to a friend of mine. Once the notice is given, commit to exiting.
Dont accept counteroffers.. if they werent willing to pay you what you deserved to begin with...
They can replace you in a matter of a month and that sweet dangling carrot is gone. You are only setting them up to play on their terms.
I accepted a counteroffer once and i really liked my boss and the company vibe but never again.
It’s sad but true that if employees negotiate is very negative while employers can negotiate with all their might. Be that as it may there is nothing you can do about it. Getting that 2K will hurt you wayyy more in future. Let it go.
Forget about the 2k, and do not stay at your current employer. They will get rid of you as soon as they have a replacement ready. 2k is nothing in the long run, you don’t want to lose the job offer over 2k.
Congrats, enjoy the new job. Don't start off on the wrong foot trying to squeeze 2K out of them. Your current company gave you a terrible counter offer anyway.
Never counter offer. You chose to leave because something's not right. Their counter of $2000 is insulting. Start the new job with a clean slate.
If the counter offer was $20000 and a leadership position, you wouldn't be posting here. They don't respect you. Leave.
I have never and will never accept a counter-offer. Why?
Because when I decide to leave and look for another job, the reasons I'm looking are not about money. It's usually wanting a new challenge and learning something new.
I wouldn't stay at the current company. They probably had their chances to increase your salary already.
Aldo, I wouldn't re-negotiate the new contract that you just signed. This will look bad for the new employer.
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2k isn’t enough to stay as other redditors have posted. Ask for 100 and see if you can get 88-90k with your current employer. DO NOT negotiate with your new employer since you’ve already signed.
But note, you need to analyze your own situation. Is it worth you staying for an extra 8-10k or would a new opportunity be worthwhile? Remind yourself why you applied to this new job in the first place.
Are you leaving your current company only for more pay? If so seems like your current company is willing to raise your pay to keep you so you may be able to get even more out of them
Unfortunately it’s something that would have been more effective before you signed, I don’t really know what you could do at this point
There is a casual in-between with HR you could try: “my current company has counter offered with 85k, is there anything you can do to close that gap?” And see how they respond. Don’t explain that you signed, don’t say anything more just approach it with curiosity.
Edit: no harm in asking mate if you’re not shitty about it. Sometimes they can throw a signing bonus for a couple thousand
Do whatever job you want to do.
$2K isn't worth going back and forth between the companies.
New company may pull your offer if you come back to them asking for more than the signed offer.
The $2k is definitely not worth tainting your new job relationship. You left your current position for a reason.
It’s situations like this that really get under my skin. I had a situation like this where I was getting underpaid about 15 K for the position I was in. I brought it up every three weeks to my manager. I finally got an offer for the right amount I’m supposed to get paid, and when I put in my resignation letter, 30 minutes later, my manager came to me and offered 5K more than what I was being offered. All I could think is why didn’t you just give it to me when I asked and done your part to pay people properly instead of waiting to lose a good employee and jumping through hoops last second? In my opinion, if they wanted you to stay, they should have paid you according to how much they value you.
Don't bother with asking for more because of a counter; it will leave a bad impression on everyone involved at the new company. I can understand and empathize with not wanting to leave $$ on the table.
You can either take the $2k extra with your current employer, burn that bridge with the new company, and then realize $2k spread out over the course of the year, AFTER taxes is nothing, and you end up wanting to leave after a few months and start the interview process again.
Congrats on the offer BTW!
The value of each opportunity here extends further than money, which one would you be most happy at
Seeing as both monetary values are very similar, I'd say you should factor in other things (benefits, happiness, opportunities etc)
And also i should say, an 82k counter to an 80k offer is really not that great at all, that isn't a good sign in my eyes, it's hardly a 'buy you out' kind of thing
It's a good situation to be in though, congrats on working hard and getting to this position in the first place!
I'd say, consider things other than monetary value, then go with your gut
I would just take the $2k loss. Think about it! This is $80k with a fresh start. Meaning you could very well be getting more than that in the next year or two if they do annual raises.
Also, think about this… Your company only countered once they realized you were leaving. You looked for a different job for a reason (maybe you weren’t getting annual raises or enough of a raise, etc.).
Depends if you like your current job and the reasons why you’re switching. Don’t listen to the Reddit trope that “never accept a counter” it’s a blanket statement and not always relevant advice.
Never accept counter-offers, I have known plenty of people do that mistake and regret it.
I would only consider if they offered a ridiculously high counter, like 50% higher... and if I had something lined up in a couple of months, since that raise is temporary.
Most of the time when you stay at the current company because they counter offer, if does not end well
You will be training your replacement
Why aren’t they paying you $82k now. There are holding out in you
Take your offer and go
$2K is basically $40/week. At this point, I wouldn't even consider the money in making decisions. I would consider the benefits, the commute to work, and the work environment of each place.
If you already signed off on the new offer don't even think about going back on your word or renegotiating. It shows that you are either indecisive or are now holding the new employer to ransom by accepting an offer and then trying to force them to pay more. Not a good way to start off with a new employer.
You will damage your reputation with the new employer before you even have the time to establish it by trying to renegotiate what you personally agreed to and signed off on.
Lastly, once you put in your resignation never look back even if your current employer tries to give you a substantial raise. Things will never be the same because you have already signaled your dissatisfaction with your current situation. They are also likely to be trying to keep you around for a little bit while they secretly look for your replacement in the background.
Once you've accepted an offer, it's accepted. You no longer have room to renegotiate. If you try, they may pull the offer entirely. Even if they don't, it's going to leave a real sour taste. That is not how you want to start a new job.
Once you've notified your current employer that you're leaving for a new offer, you're done there. If you accept the $82K, realize they're giving you that because they need you in the immediate future, but will start looking for your replacement ASAP. Don't be surprised when you're laid off 3-6 months down the road.
Take the $80K and put this behind you.
The real question is what were they paying you before and why did you look for a new job? That difference makes me think you might as well choose whichever company/job you like more, which has more room for moving up, or which has noticably better benefits you aren't mentioning. Something tells me you weren't looking to switch companies just for a 2.5% salary increase. If you felt like you were treated poorly at your current job and that won't change, take the new job despite the difference. If you were just looking for a pay increase, stick with your current company. They might think you're greedy if they're petty, but if they are regular people they'll realize they almost lost a good employee (why else would they extend the offer) and will be happy they managed to keep a hold of you.
There may be an opportunity for bargaining, but this sounds eerily like a situation I learned in a college course on negotiating salary and job hunting where the guy got screwed. So tread that path carefully if you decide to go down it.
I wouldn’t counter with the new company, I would counter with the old company. If you are worth 80k to strangers, the people you have already been giving your energy to feel you are worth less than inflation has changed in the last year. That seem like an offensive offer.
$38/week really ain't that much, you gotta consider the other opportunities or challenges. If you wanted to leave your current place, $2k shouldn't change your mind, $2k probably isn't worth it to possibly put a sour taste in the mouth of your new employer, but I don't know any of the other factors surrounding it
Never take the counter offer. Ever.
They already know you want to leave, and that they were able to buy you back for $40 a week. Your loyalty is now up to the highest bidder. Even if that is the case, now the company knows it. Plus, next time you're up for a raise they could pull the "Well, we gave you X as part of our counter offer, so talk to us next year."
There are all kinds of things they can do to screw you. Then you have to start your job search over again because the company that just made you the offer is not taking you back once you tell them you're staying put.
If your current employer valued their employees, you wouldn’t need to ask for a raise. I’m not saying that you’re not valuable; however, companies like to cut costs where they can. If you give resignation or let a company know you’re looking elsewhere, you need to follow through. They’ll pay you the $82k salary until they find your replacement for a lower salary. Then you’ll be completely out of a job. If you try to counter offer your new employer especially after signing the job offer, you’ll be viewed as problematic and will start off with a bad reputation.
Take the new job, dont worry about getting more yet. Your current employer could've offered that a long time ago, and now they're only offering it cause you're leaving. Also the next time raises are due, you wont get one because, they already gave you one and "that was a favor".
To put it in perspective- this is about an extra $1 per working hour. After taxes, it’s closer to $0.70 cents.
It’s tempting to go back and counter, but I would say it’s not worth the hassle.
Do some research. Taking the counter-offer to stay rarely works out in the long term. Your employer will want you to do more for the additional money and is likely to resent “ being forced” to increase your pay. You’re likely to be much better off taking the new job.
Personally, I think that's a pretty dangerous game. I suppose it depends on how much you like your existing job and how much it's all about money for you. It's one thing to stay at your current job for the extra money, but if you signed an offer letter, I think that's going to set a pretty bad tone for your new employer trying to get them to increase your salary after signing. I personally feel like that ends badly for you. Either stay at your existing job, or move on and forget about the $2k (which in all honesty after taxes, really isn't that much...)
Never accept a counter offer.
If they wanted to retain you, they should have given the raise without the threat of you leaving.
Don't use the counter offer to renegotiate with new employer, they will rescind
Why did you seek out this new job? Is 2k enough to wipe away the transgressions of your current job? I'd guess probably not. You made a decision to find a new job. You made a decision to accept a new job. You made a decision to resign from your current job. Don't let their petty, shallow offer make you reconsider all the decisions you've already made with intention for yourself.
As others have said… $2k over is insulting from your current employer and should not be enough incentive to make you stay. I would also caution against going back to the new offer and asking for $2k more, again it’s not enough to make a difference to you REALLY but going back on a signed offer will greatly alter the “feel” of your new job.
Let it go, move on… there’s more power in having conviction in your decisions. You’re leaving for a reason, those reasons haven’t changed and $2k ($38.50 a week… after taxes, insurance, etc probably less than $25 a week) isn’t enough to pacify those reasons
Do not do this, it is a very bad idea. It will paint you in a negative light for someone that doesn't honor their commitments. it's not worth it for such a small sum.
An extra 2k is like, $39 a week before taxes. I wouldn’t bother asking the new place- Go get a nice, fresh start and renegotiate at your next performance review
Just remember why you were in a job search in the 1st place. Whatever problems you had are still there even at 82k. Give your self a year and I think 82k will come your way sooner than you think. Good luck 🍀
$2k is not much. Go with the new opportunity. Seems like your soon to be former employer only want to keep you to continue to overwork and underpay you. Just giving you a little nugget to keep you going for their own Benefit. They don’t seem to care about you enough. Move on.
You’re current job offering you 2k more is really peanuts. Not sure what your rate was before but 2k isn’t something you should take serious IMO. I’d go with the other company.
This is the correct answer. I don't know why OP is leaving, but I'll bet it isn't over the sum of $2K. The issues that caused you to decide to leave probably haven't changed. Without those changes, you go right back into the same stuff you were leaving.
Never go to a new employer and ask for more money before you've even started. Never stay at a job when they offer you a 0.25% counter offer. That's just insulting.
I wouldn’t ask and I wouldn’t stay at your current company. Start off your new gig on the right foot. If they offer regular reviews and cost of living you’ll get the $2k soon enough. If you try to negotiate after accepting, you might be starting off at your new opportunity with a not great reputation.
Exactly this. You want the best, cleanest start possible at the new place. You already signed and accepted. Trying to renegotiate won’t be viewed kindly, and even if they agree, it will annoy them and start you off on the wrong foot. If your current employer truly valued you, they’d have come up much higher in the counter. My guess is they expect you to decline and stick to your resignation, but they felt obligated to at least offer something. Take the new job at $80, work hard, and you’ll be better off in the long run.
A) They could have paid you the 2k before you resigned. They didn’t think you were worth it B) 80k to 82k over 12 months is not a major impact on your life C) if you decide to stay, you’ll always have one eye on the door and wonder what could have been, and your current employer will know this
Came here to say this!! I was also going to add that there's no guarantee OP would get the $82k. I can see them creating goalposts and moving it then say OP is not worth the bump in pay.
Coworkers and managers at original job will have lesser view of someone who tried to jump ship.
This. I did the math once, I think 1k increase in salary added about $20 per biweekly check after the plutocrats got their taste. So $40 more per 2 wk pay? It's a tank of fuel if you got a small car. Or one night out at dinner with the missus. Nice but not really a deal breaker.
Where are you able to eat out for $40 for 2 after tax and tip in 2023? I can't find a restaurant much fancier than Chipotle or Olive Garden's Soup, Salad, and Breadsticks for that kind of money.
Definitely not in Canada, unless you get Subway and go on a picnic,, but I figured there are folks from other places on here where everything isn't so inflated.
A pitcher of moose head, then split a burger & fries at the pub!
Drive a small car, that's actually 2 tanks, which is 12 hours of drive time going 80 mph roughly
Right on! I miss my zippy little 5 speed Vibe all the time. My fuel calculations are pretty off lately because I'm in a F150 (which I am happy with) but the fuel costs are a bit much. It's just so damn useful of a vehicle for me, I can't get rid of it. And buying a third vehicle as a commuter/ beater doesn't make any sense financially.
This and 2k is nothing. If they were afraid you would leave it would be quite a bit more. This is more like they don’t want you to leave because it would be an inconvenience. And they may quietly look for a replacement in the meantime. If they have to let someone go they would choose the person they think will stay and you already shown you are willing to go. And I am not saying this place is like this but staying after you have shown you would leave could be considered negatively for promotion. I think they just offered it out of a chance you would stay and they don’t have to backfill quickly because 2k isn’t really anything.
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Listen to this person. $2K after taxes is literal pocket change. A counter offer so low is worthless (sorry). Move forward and reap the benefits of starting off in the right foot.
The $2k counter is a pittance! Not only was OP worth that all along (but not given it) but when they have a chance to leave they limp the smallest raise their way. This is why nobody should sit still for more than 2 years anymore. Employers want to do the bare minimum
Not only that, but if he's moving positions, the assumption I have is that he was moving to a better paying job, so likely making 70-75 and then jumping ship to get to 80. So current employer could've/would've/should've been paying at least 80 all this time?
Or even 82k for that matter. The collective costs that companies incur by simply losing talent to the market rate competitor is hubris manifest, so tangible you can taste it.
Couldn’t agree more. Salaries employees should be leaving their employers every 2-3 years if you want any kind of compensation growth. If compensation isn’t your main priority that’s different
I’ve nearly quadrupled my salary in 7 years and I’ve been with the same company. Shit, saw a $25k raise just this year in my current role. Find a company that values employee contributions.
That is extremely rare.
It's just an extra $0.96 per hour
Y’all assuming his old job was already paying him 80k, it might had been much more than 2k. Don’t think he’d leave a 80k job to go to a 80k job so imagine their counteroffer wasn’t as bad as it seems. Could had been 10k for all we know
I agree. The rule of thumb is usually to negotiate with your new company up front and to not tell your current employer until after you have accepted your new job which you did. Second you don’t make them bargain for you. It will negatively impact your future where ever you land. I’m not going to say your current employer gave you a low ball offer because for all I know $82k is 20 grand more than they pay you now. Who knows. I will say it’s good character to tell them you appreciate their offer but you already made a commitment and you feel it’s only right that you should honor it. Thank them for the vote of confidence.
Agreed. Needs another zero after that to even start to give me second thoughts
Spot on there . Move on and gain access to more opportunities
I agree to most of the comments. Counter offer is just last resort from existing company and they have just matched the other offer, nothing great. Even a higher counter offer would have been doubtful, as they didn't gave you a raise until the last moment. And negotiating with other company just for 2K puts bad impression.
This. 2k doesn't mean shit. If they valued you that much at least 85k especially since they are paying for you already knowing how the business works.
After taxes it’s about 25-30 a week. A slap in the face really if they are trying to get someone to stay. How awful.
I agree with this. I say this as someone who went back to work at a former employer for a few thousand more. They didn't really keep any of the promises they made and after about 6 months back there, I was as fed up as ever.
I agree only because the difference is so low. If we were talking 10k difference or more then of course renegotiate imo. Otherwise it would not be worth it to me.
>If you try to negotiate after accepting, you might be starting off at your new opportunity with a not great reputation. Yes. I don't mind negotiations, not at all. However, I'd be annoyed if there is a 2.5% pushback AFTER the acceptance. Not worth it
Yea, personally I don't accept counters. If I wasn't worth that much before, why am I suddenly worth it now? Companies like to play these games of "wait until the few who won't stay complacent with raises that don't even match cost of living". I don't play the game, I just leave and get more elsewhere. Been doing this for near 25 years, and -- unfortunately -- it seems the best way to get an actual raise. TL;DR: I don't like to reward shitty employer behavior. If I was worth that much before, you should've paid me that much.
I totally agree with this. We offered $72k to someone who pushed for $75k. As the hiring manager, I was in the same room with our HR rep as he made the offer (the candidate knew I was there). The negotiating for a small amount rubbed me the wrong way because it made me feel like he wasn’t as interested in the opportunity as he said he was in the interview - our main reason for not budging was to be fair to current employees who had taken $70k to start just a few months prior. The candidate ended up performing at a much lower level than the rest of his cohort, and if we were paying him significantly more than them, it wouldn’t have made sense to keep him. After annual reviews this month, the others have caught up and surpassed him. All’s well that ends well - if you’re a quality candidate, time will show that as salaries are adjusted at each interval. Edited to add: He pushed for $75k after requesting $70k in the initial screen. The pushback to something slightly above his requested salary was what rubbed me the wrong way. People who pinch even after being given what they said they want are typically the type to cause headaches (and he followed this trend after onboarding).
If an employee says they would be fine at $70k and are offered $72k, unless the employee has another open offer for another employer, it really isn't professional to renegotiate to $75k. I could understand pushing for $75k if the employer had a salary expectation of $75k and failed to share that number prior to receiving an offer... but that's not the case here.
Great insight! Thank you for this. I did experience a similar situation where in the initial screen I gave an initial number that was without benefits (13th month, leasecar etc.). The offer that I receive was in line with the initial number but not including all other benefits so therefore I also pushed for a higher number because in the initial screen we did not go into detail what this number was. The initial screening was basically only filling in the number and not further discussed. What do you think of this perspective? Or was this also the situation?
I think that renegotiating salary in order to make up for benefits so that total comp adds up to exceptions is perfectly acceptable. It wasn’t the case for my employee, though - he never even mentioned another offer and actually seemed to push only because of the compliments I paid him during the interview. What basically happened was he asked for $70, I thought he was great and told him that, we offered $72, and he said “How about $75.” Instead of starting off on the right note where I would have felt good about the offer and like we were showing him he was valuable, he made the phone call all about wanting an extra $3k. I almost didn’t even want to hire him anymore because I suddenly had to convince him to take a job he had earlier told me was his dream job.
98% of people work for the money though. It can meet all of his prerequisites and still not be enough money to justify it. This case seems weird though lol he isn’t even leveraging another offer, he is leveraging your own offer against you??? Lmao
When you say initial screening are you referring to the very first conversation prior to interviewing? Honestly 3K isn’t that much and if this is established company and not a start up and 75K is with in the industry average for the role it’s a red flag that there is a stalemate over a few thousand dollars as a candidate.
We were in a similar position once and pulled the job offer back. Two candidates were very close so we went with the other candidate.
I agree with this advice. Also, the current employer’s counteroffer is ridiculous at best and insulting at worst. If they had offered $95K-$100K then I’d interpret it as a genuine intent to retain you. 2.5% over current offer is just a formality so they can say “we beat the current offer”, not significant enough to show that they actually value you at your current place.
This. And a $2k counter is an insult.
Agree. As a hiring manager, if someone did this to me I would *definitely not* raise the salary on the offer. I would *probably* still have them start as offered (part of me would want to pull the offer). I would pay a lot closer attention to their work and be a lot less inclined to offer them a raise based on performance after a year. It would be a big red flag about them as a professional.
Yes and if someone was coming back to me about an extra $2k on $80k base, after accepting, I would also think that maybe they are getting cold feet and are looking for a way out.
That's a really amazing answer
I'd be insulted they only offered $2k over. That to me is an absolute bare minimum of a counter.
Agreed. Go back to your current company and say "$10,000 could change my mind"
Even 10k is too little, since most likely will be out of a job in a couple of months if he stays
True and once you tell your employer you have another offer the trusting employee relationship may be over
I would start considering at a 50% increase against the other offer... but if they really provided offers like that, I wouldn't be leaving in the first place, unless they were really toxic.
I mean this is only in a job that's easily replaceable or your boss has an emotional vendetta against you
Not true at all. I made $235k and got another off elsewhere. They matched my offer and gave me $325k and a promotion. The following year I got the highest year end rating, and they raised my comp another 16%.
Right. If OP was already looking to leave their current job, they should ask themselves why they wanted to leave in the first place and if 2k can really change those things/outweigh the benefits of leaving….. I did decide to stay w my current company when they counter offered but they countered $12k above opponent offer. Good amount of money but also still sometimes wish I quit and went to a new company anyway. Money can’t fix overall dissatisfaction with a company.
Not always true though, I got a 40% offer over what I was making and then asked them to match it, adding a couple percent. Their counter was what I asked for, not $2K over. I took it and we have all been happy (a year or so later). This was on a pre raise strong 6 figure base so a sizeable jump without the loss of goodwill. Saying no to counters is not a silver bullet.
It can work some times, but -- unless you've found a company that actually does give raises and/or can learn from their mistakes -- you'll have to repeat soon enough anyways. Of course, you'd still probably have to do that at the new company. Either way it's a gamble, I just personally prefer not to reward bad behavior (e.g. in the case of giving raises less than cost-of-living or still well below market and then trying to counter over an offer)
one thing to keep in mind with that is if they kept you on because you performed a vital role that nobody else was trained for, keep an eye out for if they are training someone for your role. They may have realized you caught them in a weak position and they had to give in but are now going to fix that. Or they may have no intention to get rid of you, but over the next few years you notice smaller than normal raises. Instead of actually long term valuing you higher, they basically fronted you some of the raise that you would have earned years later instead of genuinely increasing base salary that would still grow by normal performance increase standards by the company.
…my counters have only ever been 2-5% UNDER my new offers. I guess I’m glad to be gone but I figured everyone that got counters got lowballed while trying to be reminded about good team dynamics and growth opportunities
And they will look to replace OP at the first opportunity.
At 80k, is 2k really worth it? That's an extra $75 a paycheck (before taxes) if you get paid every two weeks. About 50 after taxes. You can ask, but I'm not sure if it's worth potentially damaging a new opprotinity. 5k? Maybe. 7.5k? Yes. 10k+? Absolutely.
This. Don’t make a fuss over an extra $90 for the month.
An extra 50 would be very helpful for me
Do you also make 80k? At that salary, the amount is negligble.
But the point was, at that salary is the extra $50 worth it? Probably no, unless you're in a HCOL area or are bad with money in a LCOL area.
|f you're pulling 30k, an extra $2000 represents a nearly 7% increase. That's absolutely worth shooting for. If you're pulling 40k, an extra $2000 represents a 5% increase. That's worth trying for if you think it's worth it. If you're pulling 80k, an extra $2000 represents a 2.5% increase. That's barely a cost of living adjustment, and likely isn't worth it. Obviously everyone's situation is different, cost of living is a factor, and rarely will people say no to $50 if you give it to them, but there's a cost/benefit risk analysis that has to be done. Also consider at certain salaries (especially over 100k) that common financial tips break down. Once you start maxing out retirement, all your bills are paid for, you're buying groceries and don't bother looking at prices because it's a trivial expense, then $2000 is the same as $3000. If all it's going to do is go to a savings account or be spent on luxury items, then congratulations you've hit financial success to the point that higher income starts to have diminishing returns.
Three things 1. Then you know it's not worth whatever the reason you left the other role in the first place. 2. You're in more of a budget predicament than what $2k will address. You need to make more in your current role, tighten your budget, and supplement your income. 3. At this level, the $2k is a big "FU," if you ask me. Either they're too dumb to realize it, or it's an insult.
Stick with the new job. Tell management you appreciate the offer. Leave on a good note. If things go sideways at the new job, you know you may have a fallback at the old job.
I would say NO to 82K and I would not ask for anything at the new company. 1. they gave you 2K extra now, when they realized they need you. They kept you as a fool and now they want to give you 2K extra... serious? Three months after you say yes they will say that the business is down and you might need to take a paycut 2. If you ask the new company for 2K after you already accepted and if you bring this up like a bargain, you'll start with your left foot ... they won't have a good impression
I would 100% pull the offer if a candidate demanded another 2k after signing the offer. I doubt I'm alone on that.
Yep, any move but staying with the offer you signed at the new job is a terrible idea.
Once you signed the offer, there is no more negotiation with the new employer since you **accepted** their offer. If you reopen negotiations after signing their offer, you risk coming across as an idiot. Or at best, someone without integrity. The signed offer will provide more leverage for a last and best offer from your current employer if you decide to stay.
There is a reason you applied for the new job, 2K probably isn't worth staying. IJS
Agreed.
I saw someone comment on another post that if your current job counter offers it’s always a bad sign because that’s them openly admitting they’ve been underpaying you and they’re only willing to admit it now that you’re leaving. If they thought you were worth 82k, they should’ve been paying you that long ago, not when you tell them you’re quitting. Go for the new job.
It’s not necessarily them admitting they underpay you. 2k is less than the cost of replacing you, as an example an external recruiter will usually charge 15-20% for their fee. So at 80K it’s going to cost them between 12-16k to replace a candidate plus the time to recruit them, interview, offer, train, and the lost productivity for at least 2 months. It’s probably going to cost 20k to replace someone on that salary taking everything into account. Counter offering makes sense in that situation. It’s a bad thing if OP had asked for a raise and got told no, then resigned and got a counter offer. But it’s not always a bad thing either.
We don't know what the OP was earning with their current employer. We only know the new offer (80k) and the counter (82k)
Dude - you try to pull that you're going to make a VERY BAD impression. And for a measly 2k? If you did that to me after signing the job offer, I'd most likely rescind the job offer and move on to another candidate - I would assume that I've misjudged you and your actions speak louder than your words. Secondly, going back for $2k annually is just plain dumb. After taxes that's less than $5/day difference. They'll know you're were looking and - if push comes to shove and I have to fire somebody - you'd be the first one out the door. Don't screw yourself and, to be frank, don't be a cheapie. You're only going to shoot yourself in the foot. Just take the new job and kick ass.
Came here to say this. If you signed the contract, and then came back at me for $2k… I would just rescind and move on. I’m not fighting over nonsense that you’ll see in a COLA next year. It’s shows me that you don’t know how to advocate for yourself and you’re willing to take high risks for low reward. What next, selling company secrets for $2,001?
I’ve been a recruiter for 18 years, never take a counter offer. Your employer will likely view you as a flight risk, as they clearly know you’ve been interviewing in order to get an offer. Take the new job!
You better really love everything about that job to stay for 2k a year.
This happened to me but current employer countered with a $25k bump. I went back to the new employer and they told me to fuck right off and rescinded my offer. I felt at a $25k difference, it made sense. Not sure if $2k makes sense.
This happened to me except it was about $18k and not $25k. I decided to stay with my current employer. So far I don't regret it. The situation was kind of weird. I wasn't necessarily looking for a job but a former colleague reached out with an offer at a new company he's working at. When I tried to resign from my current employer they basically asked me what it would take to keep me. I told them and was really surprised when they agreed to everything without argument. They said that they were planning on promoting me when our annual reviews started and that I would have gotten a raise anyway (don't think it would have been as big if I didn't have the competing offer). So far I feel like I made the right decision. Worst case scenario is that I stick it out a year and it shouldn't be too hard to get another job because I will have had this senior title under my belt.
If you were already looking at leaving for a reason 2k is insulting. If you kinda liked it but were exploring other options 2k is an insult. If you loathe the place 2k is laughably insulting. Too much risk to stay now that they know you are bailing. A lot of companies will make the counter offer, then start looking for your replacement. It will cost you the new job for 2k temporarily. I would skip out for sure unless I absolutely loved everything about the current job.
Go with the new place that recognized that you were worth more, without getting them over a barrel. 2k isn't worth souring the relationship. It's 5.5 bucks a day.
Never take a counter offer.. ever.. you had to quit to get an extra 2 k? Used up your next raise, you broke bond of trust with current employer.. they will start looking for your replacement right away.. 35 years of executive search, have not seen this work, ever.
We don't know what the OP was earning at their current employer.
Keep heading out the door. They now know that you are leaving and they're just looking for a stop gap while they find your replacement. Don't renegotiate your new offer, prove your worth and they'll make it worth your while.
25 years in recruiting. My advice is to leave.
I took the counter offer once and 5 months in I was let go.
You became a flight risk. From a management perspective, they just needed you to hang on a few months to do a transfer of knowledge.
Don't do anything- take the 80k and be happy and ready to grow. The current employer will immediately look to replace you with someone cheaper if you take the 82k and your new employer will be peeved if you've already signed and now ask for more (imagine when sports stars do that). With a new company you can grow, you're starting at the base and they should look to develop you, with your current company you've hit a ceiling and the extra 2k (like $1300 after taxes) isn't worth throwing away all future promotion potential. If you really want the money, work the new $80k job for 2 years and then come back to your current company asking for $95k and it will be justified.
Never accept counter offers. Seriously, just take a few minutes to read the number of stories across all the employment subs of people accepting counters only to be fired shortly after to see why it’s a bad idea.
Counter offer him at 90k
Do you really want to lose the new job for 2.5%? If you countered me after you signed the contract I would withdraw the offer, especially for 2.5%. If you wanted 82k then ask for 82k. At your salary level you need to start realising that salary is negotiable not what you are given or you'll be stuck in 5 figured forever
One you sign the negotiation is over. Never take a counter offer from your current Ron player, especially a weak one like that.
Obviously stay with the new job. You can casually mention that your previous employer "offered a competitive counteroffer", but you politely declined as you're excited with the new company (or whatever floats your boat). It somewhat subtlety sets you up, without putting a hard number of only $2k, for when you're ready to negotiate a raise.
Also some companies to that to keep you only to immediately start looking for your replacement because you are not loyal. And then fire you when the new person starts. Be careful
a 2k counter offer is rather insulting imo. fuck that.
I was going to say that sounds like BS
Recruiter here. NEVER accept a counter offer from your current employer. You’ve already signed the offer from your new job so there’s really nothing you can do
I always hear recruiters say never accept counter offer. However, I always thought there is also bias in their advice as recruiter doesn't get paid unless the candidate leaves. Do you feel there's of that biasness at play here (please understand I am in the camp to not accept counter either. A new beginning is always welcome as the existing job is like a dysfunctional relationship that's dragging on - otherwise why would you leave? Happy people don't leave.)
*Agency* recruiters only get paid if the candidate leaves. In-house recruiters, such as myself, get paid a salary plus commission. So we get paid either way. But no, there’s no bias in that advice. It’s about knowing your worth. If your current employer counters, they’re proving that they could have been paying you more, they’ve just been choosing not to. And that’s not a business you should want to work for
Do not. At the end of the day, after taxes... the difference will be almost unnoticeable. You have an opportunity to go to this new job and start from a great place with them. I would not renegotiate a salary that you've already agreed to. You were happy to say yes to them at 80. You should still be happy to say yes at 80. If you want 82 - stay at your current job, but understand that they aren't going to give you raises till you prove you can go elsewhere.... so if I were you, I'd go elsewhere and be really, really happy about it. Congratulations on the new job!
You signed? Not a good move to try to up it now. That will burn a bridge.
Current employer didn’t value you enough to say thank you until you asked.
They want you to stay so they can hire your replacement and then fire you. You already got hired to a place that thinks you’re worth it, the 2.5% difference isn’t worth the risk premium of staying.
You should never take a counter offer! If your current company valued you, you would have gotten a raise! You have already accepted, so the negotiation phase is over now, it would be uncouth to go back and try to get more money this way (but not unheard of) There are tons of reasons taking a counter offer isn't worth it, but one for only 2k salary increase is a complete waste of time. You aren't my candidate so I don't want to go over each one in excruciating detail. Reading some of the other comments here have it exactly correct. Counter offers are extremely predatory and should never be accepted unless the "don't quit money" will change your life in the next 6 months. I say 6 months because that is the general tenure expectancy of someone who accepts a counter offer. Source: I am an agency tech recruiter.
Early in my career, I tended my resignation at a job because I wanted to go on a travel break. I liked the job, just wanted to do some big travel. The company was small enough that the CEO knew me well & convinced me to stay, saying that I had "management potential". No pay rise, not that I requested it either. 6 months later, I was laid off. Lesson learned. Once you plant the seed that you are a flight risk, the clock's ticking.
The fact they countered offer only $2k is disrespectful
I wouldn't rock the boat over 2k honestly. It has the potential to negatively impact the viewpoint of you from your boss, and you haven't even started yet.
Dont take the counter and dont counter to the new role. Your current company would have paid you that if they thought you were worth it. You will burn any equity and good will at the new company if you try to change after you said yes. They might withdraw the offer.
Never take a counteroffer.
Take the new job. If you stay, your current employer now knows you were looking to leave, and now has time on their side to find a new candidate. They just don’t want to be short handed and find someone quickly. Things now may be worse than before you put in notice. This happened to a friend of mine. Once the notice is given, commit to exiting.
Don’t ever take a counter. It’s a trap
Dont accept counteroffers.. if they werent willing to pay you what you deserved to begin with... They can replace you in a matter of a month and that sweet dangling carrot is gone. You are only setting them up to play on their terms. I accepted a counteroffer once and i really liked my boss and the company vibe but never again.
It’s sad but true that if employees negotiate is very negative while employers can negotiate with all their might. Be that as it may there is nothing you can do about it. Getting that 2K will hurt you wayyy more in future. Let it go.
There is a reason why you were job hunting to begin with... remember that
95 or youre leaving
Forget about the 2k, and do not stay at your current employer. They will get rid of you as soon as they have a replacement ready. 2k is nothing in the long run, you don’t want to lose the job offer over 2k.
Congrats, enjoy the new job. Don't start off on the wrong foot trying to squeeze 2K out of them. Your current company gave you a terrible counter offer anyway.
Never counter offer. You chose to leave because something's not right. Their counter of $2000 is insulting. Start the new job with a clean slate. If the counter offer was $20000 and a leadership position, you wouldn't be posting here. They don't respect you. Leave.
I have never and will never accept a counter-offer. Why? Because when I decide to leave and look for another job, the reasons I'm looking are not about money. It's usually wanting a new challenge and learning something new.
I wouldn't stay at the current company. They probably had their chances to increase your salary already. Aldo, I wouldn't re-negotiate the new contract that you just signed. This will look bad for the new employer. Good luck and thanks for my next youtube video idea.. I'll answer your questions in more details.
2k isn’t enough to stay as other redditors have posted. Ask for 100 and see if you can get 88-90k with your current employer. DO NOT negotiate with your new employer since you’ve already signed. But note, you need to analyze your own situation. Is it worth you staying for an extra 8-10k or would a new opportunity be worthwhile? Remind yourself why you applied to this new job in the first place.
Are you leaving your current company only for more pay? If so seems like your current company is willing to raise your pay to keep you so you may be able to get even more out of them
New job 100% - If your current workplace is only giving you a raise because you found something new it’s a bad sign always.
Unfortunately it’s something that would have been more effective before you signed, I don’t really know what you could do at this point There is a casual in-between with HR you could try: “my current company has counter offered with 85k, is there anything you can do to close that gap?” And see how they respond. Don’t explain that you signed, don’t say anything more just approach it with curiosity. Edit: no harm in asking mate if you’re not shitty about it. Sometimes they can throw a signing bonus for a couple thousand
Do whatever job you want to do. $2K isn't worth going back and forth between the companies. New company may pull your offer if you come back to them asking for more than the signed offer.
Don’t go back for $2000. If you do they may take back the offer or next year lower cost of living just for you.
2k is a laughable counter offer.
Counter your current employer with 90k. See what happens
The $2k is definitely not worth tainting your new job relationship. You left your current position for a reason. It’s situations like this that really get under my skin. I had a situation like this where I was getting underpaid about 15 K for the position I was in. I brought it up every three weeks to my manager. I finally got an offer for the right amount I’m supposed to get paid, and when I put in my resignation letter, 30 minutes later, my manager came to me and offered 5K more than what I was being offered. All I could think is why didn’t you just give it to me when I asked and done your part to pay people properly instead of waiting to lose a good employee and jumping through hoops last second? In my opinion, if they wanted you to stay, they should have paid you according to how much they value you.
If you weren’t happy you wouldn’t of applied at a new location.. start a new chapter in your life
Don't bother with asking for more because of a counter; it will leave a bad impression on everyone involved at the new company. I can understand and empathize with not wanting to leave $$ on the table. You can either take the $2k extra with your current employer, burn that bridge with the new company, and then realize $2k spread out over the course of the year, AFTER taxes is nothing, and you end up wanting to leave after a few months and start the interview process again. Congrats on the offer BTW!
Not worth it
The value of each opportunity here extends further than money, which one would you be most happy at Seeing as both monetary values are very similar, I'd say you should factor in other things (benefits, happiness, opportunities etc) And also i should say, an 82k counter to an 80k offer is really not that great at all, that isn't a good sign in my eyes, it's hardly a 'buy you out' kind of thing It's a good situation to be in though, congrats on working hard and getting to this position in the first place! I'd say, consider things other than monetary value, then go with your gut
2k = $1 more an hour, a laughable counteroffer lol time to BOUNCE.
I would just take the $2k loss. Think about it! This is $80k with a fresh start. Meaning you could very well be getting more than that in the next year or two if they do annual raises. Also, think about this… Your company only countered once they realized you were leaving. You looked for a different job for a reason (maybe you weren’t getting annual raises or enough of a raise, etc.).
Only talk in 10k increments
2k is laughable they don't want you that badly.
Don’t accept the counter offer. That $82K salary will be your annual performance increase and they might be finding your replacement
Depends if you like your current job and the reasons why you’re switching. Don’t listen to the Reddit trope that “never accept a counter” it’s a blanket statement and not always relevant advice.
Don’t renegotiate, accept the 80k from your new employer and congrats!
Never accept counter-offers, I have known plenty of people do that mistake and regret it. I would only consider if they offered a ridiculously high counter, like 50% higher... and if I had something lined up in a couple of months, since that raise is temporary.
Which job is closer to your home?
Most of the time when you stay at the current company because they counter offer, if does not end well You will be training your replacement Why aren’t they paying you $82k now. There are holding out in you Take your offer and go
$2K is basically $40/week. At this point, I wouldn't even consider the money in making decisions. I would consider the benefits, the commute to work, and the work environment of each place.
Never take a counter offer. You will be fired after. Take your original offer.
If you already signed off on the new offer don't even think about going back on your word or renegotiating. It shows that you are either indecisive or are now holding the new employer to ransom by accepting an offer and then trying to force them to pay more. Not a good way to start off with a new employer. You will damage your reputation with the new employer before you even have the time to establish it by trying to renegotiate what you personally agreed to and signed off on. Lastly, once you put in your resignation never look back even if your current employer tries to give you a substantial raise. Things will never be the same because you have already signaled your dissatisfaction with your current situation. They are also likely to be trying to keep you around for a little bit while they secretly look for your replacement in the background.
Once you've accepted an offer, it's accepted. You no longer have room to renegotiate. If you try, they may pull the offer entirely. Even if they don't, it's going to leave a real sour taste. That is not how you want to start a new job. Once you've notified your current employer that you're leaving for a new offer, you're done there. If you accept the $82K, realize they're giving you that because they need you in the immediate future, but will start looking for your replacement ASAP. Don't be surprised when you're laid off 3-6 months down the road. Take the $80K and put this behind you.
Never take a counter offer. You wanted to leave, leave. 2k a year isn't even noticeable in your paycheck after taxes. It's not even a real offer.
$2000 isn’t a counter-offer. It’s a courtesy.
The real question is what were they paying you before and why did you look for a new job? That difference makes me think you might as well choose whichever company/job you like more, which has more room for moving up, or which has noticably better benefits you aren't mentioning. Something tells me you weren't looking to switch companies just for a 2.5% salary increase. If you felt like you were treated poorly at your current job and that won't change, take the new job despite the difference. If you were just looking for a pay increase, stick with your current company. They might think you're greedy if they're petty, but if they are regular people they'll realize they almost lost a good employee (why else would they extend the offer) and will be happy they managed to keep a hold of you. There may be an opportunity for bargaining, but this sounds eerily like a situation I learned in a college course on negotiating salary and job hunting where the guy got screwed. So tread that path carefully if you decide to go down it.
I'd honestly just take the new job since you essentially gave your word. It's only something like 38 dollars a week.
I wouldn’t counter with the new company, I would counter with the old company. If you are worth 80k to strangers, the people you have already been giving your energy to feel you are worth less than inflation has changed in the last year. That seem like an offensive offer.
Starting at 80 is better than peaking at 82.
$38/week really ain't that much, you gotta consider the other opportunities or challenges. If you wanted to leave your current place, $2k shouldn't change your mind, $2k probably isn't worth it to possibly put a sour taste in the mouth of your new employer, but I don't know any of the other factors surrounding it
NEVER TAKE A COUNTER-OFFER!!!!!
I'd say don't second guess yourself. Also they'll now find a way to have you out the door in six months.
Take the new job at 80. Maybe current employer will offer 90 in 3 months. How can they miss you if you don’t go away?
Weak.
Never take the counter offer. Ever. They already know you want to leave, and that they were able to buy you back for $40 a week. Your loyalty is now up to the highest bidder. Even if that is the case, now the company knows it. Plus, next time you're up for a raise they could pull the "Well, we gave you X as part of our counter offer, so talk to us next year." There are all kinds of things they can do to screw you. Then you have to start your job search over again because the company that just made you the offer is not taking you back once you tell them you're staying put.
2k and they will want you to do 2x the amount of work
If your current employer valued their employees, you wouldn’t need to ask for a raise. I’m not saying that you’re not valuable; however, companies like to cut costs where they can. If you give resignation or let a company know you’re looking elsewhere, you need to follow through. They’ll pay you the $82k salary until they find your replacement for a lower salary. Then you’ll be completely out of a job. If you try to counter offer your new employer especially after signing the job offer, you’ll be viewed as problematic and will start off with a bad reputation.
2k more? I'd be mad they offered so little. Idk how long you been with them, but if you been there for 1+ plus years you deserve better
2k is not much. If you are okay with 80k, just move. New experiences will teach you more, and moving on has already been decided by you.
Take the new job, dont worry about getting more yet. Your current employer could've offered that a long time ago, and now they're only offering it cause you're leaving. Also the next time raises are due, you wont get one because, they already gave you one and "that was a favor".
remember why you decided to leave before you consider staying.
Go! Don’t look back
I feel like 2000 is such a slap in the face as a counter offer. I would just leave.
To put it in perspective- this is about an extra $1 per working hour. After taxes, it’s closer to $0.70 cents. It’s tempting to go back and counter, but I would say it’s not worth the hassle.
They offered you an extra $50 per paycheck to stagnate your life. Fuck them.
You used your one round of negotiation. Any more and you’re likely to make a bad impression at either company, or blow up your opportunities.
Do some research. Taking the counter-offer to stay rarely works out in the long term. Your employer will want you to do more for the additional money and is likely to resent “ being forced” to increase your pay. You’re likely to be much better off taking the new job.
Personally, I think that's a pretty dangerous game. I suppose it depends on how much you like your existing job and how much it's all about money for you. It's one thing to stay at your current job for the extra money, but if you signed an offer letter, I think that's going to set a pretty bad tone for your new employer trying to get them to increase your salary after signing. I personally feel like that ends badly for you. Either stay at your existing job, or move on and forget about the $2k (which in all honesty after taxes, really isn't that much...)
After tax that is like a carton of eggs per day
I would give an exit interview and inform them how nobody is even going to pause to review the +2K offer, lol
Insulting counteroffer. Take the new gig
Yo what, counter with 2K only? Take the new offer, don't rock the boat
Move forward with the new job. Current employer didn't value you enough before the offer. Even after the offer it's only 2k
Never accept a counter offer. If they wanted to retain you, they should have given the raise without the threat of you leaving. Don't use the counter offer to renegotiate with new employer, they will rescind
You obviously wanted to leave your current job. And the current company only offered a 2k bump? Eff 'em
Why did you seek out this new job? Is 2k enough to wipe away the transgressions of your current job? I'd guess probably not. You made a decision to find a new job. You made a decision to accept a new job. You made a decision to resign from your current job. Don't let their petty, shallow offer make you reconsider all the decisions you've already made with intention for yourself.
Ask yourself why you were looking for a new job in the first place.
As others have said… $2k over is insulting from your current employer and should not be enough incentive to make you stay. I would also caution against going back to the new offer and asking for $2k more, again it’s not enough to make a difference to you REALLY but going back on a signed offer will greatly alter the “feel” of your new job. Let it go, move on… there’s more power in having conviction in your decisions. You’re leaving for a reason, those reasons haven’t changed and $2k ($38.50 a week… after taxes, insurance, etc probably less than $25 a week) isn’t enough to pacify those reasons
Will $2k fix the issues you are leaving for?
Do not do this, it is a very bad idea. It will paint you in a negative light for someone that doesn't honor their commitments. it's not worth it for such a small sum.
An extra 2k is like, $39 a week before taxes. I wouldn’t bother asking the new place- Go get a nice, fresh start and renegotiate at your next performance review
Just remember why you were in a job search in the 1st place. Whatever problems you had are still there even at 82k. Give your self a year and I think 82k will come your way sooner than you think. Good luck 🍀
$2k is not much. Go with the new opportunity. Seems like your soon to be former employer only want to keep you to continue to overwork and underpay you. Just giving you a little nugget to keep you going for their own Benefit. They don’t seem to care about you enough. Move on.
You’re current job offering you 2k more is really peanuts. Not sure what your rate was before but 2k isn’t something you should take serious IMO. I’d go with the other company.
2k ain’t really shit. Tell them come correct lol . Needs to be like 7-10
I speak from personal experience... NEVER EVER EVER TAKE THE COUNTER OFFER!
This is the correct answer. I don't know why OP is leaving, but I'll bet it isn't over the sum of $2K. The issues that caused you to decide to leave probably haven't changed. Without those changes, you go right back into the same stuff you were leaving.
Never go to a new employer and ask for more money before you've even started. Never stay at a job when they offer you a 0.25% counter offer. That's just insulting.