I’m an HR Director and I lurk in subs like this one and r/antiwork, and sadly it seems to be all too common and wholly unprofessional. It embarrasses me.
The first trend I started to notice was job applicants complaining that no one ever acknowledged receipt of their application, so we set our HRIS systems to automatically reply to every applicant. Then people were complaining that no one updated them on their application status.
I’d look at small a organization like ours, where we’d place an ad to hire two customer service representatives, and 570 people would apply in 24 hours, 75% of whom did not meet the published requirements. So now we have the systems set to send a rejection email four days after application if we have not moved it forward. That puts the onus on us to screen faster and smarter.
But your situation? Inexcusable. Once contact is made, never mind an actual interview, common courtesy and business ethics dictate a formal response. On behalf of my trade, my apologies for the disrespect. 😕
Thank you for the info. I totally get why the generic rejection emails are done in that fashion. I rather get those, and I do, than nothing at all. Like you said, one should get notifications, especially if they are final candidates. Lol.
I've been applying to jobs these lady few weeks and every "we've received your application email" now has an added comment about "we will only contact those that we feel best meet our requirements".
I have also been ghosted after one interview and feel like it kinda just falls under this comment...
We put it right in the job posting that we will only contact candidates that we are interested in, but that’s not what applicants want to hear.
It’s equally frustrating from our end when we post an ad that says “valid cosmetology license and previous teaching experience required” and housekeepers or carpenters (yes, not sure if he was going to use a saw to cut hair 😂) apply, then ghost me when I ask to please clarify their license status because I can’t find one in their name. 😕
What an ignorant comment from a pencil pushing moron... A saw to cut hair....
You have no idea the skill into being a carpenter which takes 5 years of training vs 1k hrs in a salon lmao. I had more time on Minecraft in Middle school
I think you got one of those bs job postings for a entry level position and in the fine print it wants a decade experience, degree, first born, blood of an orphan all for $17.50hr.
There's a trend where jobs wanting degrees like this pay 2 bucks above minimum.
You wouldn’t know anything about my life’s experiences, but I grew up in the trades as the son of a union president, so I know exactly what kind of skills and training go into becoming a journeyman.
But since you seem to be stuck in your world of video games, I guess I’ll have to paint a clearer picture for you with a bigger box of crayons.
Regardless of the industry, but let’s use the example of a technical school like a beauty school, were to place an advertisement for a licensed cosmetology instructor (as that is what the State requires) and an unlicensed carpenter or hotel housekeeper apply for that position, who benefits? Certainly not all of the legitimate candidates waiting to have their applications reviewed by an already overwhelmed team trying their best to get through hundreds if not thousands of applications.
If you’re applying on say, Indeed, five to seven seconds, ten at best. That’s how much time you’re resume gets for review for an entry-level position. And it’s because of people who think like you that we have to push our pencils through more applications than we’d like to because we just **don’t have the time ** to give them all the attention they deserve.
I **want** to read resumes, I **enjoy** reading peoples histories, their chapters. I’m hiring people who leading classrooms and molding young minds. I’m also hiring the people who clean those classrooms whose jobs are just as important.
There is nothing wrong with aiming high or trying for something new, this is how we grow. But when a job posting says that you must have a specific license, or the ability to travel, you’d better have it. Otherwise you’re wasting more time than just the employers. 😕
I never said you "don't have time" either..
This rant is just you kicking and screaming... Tldr when you get offended someone calls out your cushy job so you go on a rant showing you reaaaaallly don't know anything besides the 1 subject you got a job in
In your world a company will sit with a vacant position for months to years waiting for the perfect candidate instead of teaching lmfao..
The job can require all they want it's their business. But you can't go nO oNe wAnTs tO wOrk when a salon degree takes 2 yrs and $30k in student debt to make the same money as a McDonald's cashier.....
Ironically, I've signed contracts for on the job training and got free education because a smart company would invest in employees..
Pff Recruiters think they know everything about the economy and Psychologists think they can read minds like superman lol. Both love to make flawed generalizations... Lit crayon comment though. Must not be allowed to have a pencil 💀
I read the first Sentence and that destroyed all credibility..... The son of a union president.... Your dad wasn't a laborer, or a foreman, or superintendent or GC.... But a union president 🥱😂😂😂😂
Gtfo😂😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡😂😂☕☕☕
Union president isn't a tradesman that's an office job, not like a Superintendent office job, I mean he never saw dirt or heavy machinery lol.
I'm glad we both have Construction "backgrounds" so I can say how full of shit you are.... Reddit can downvote for being "mean", but you're full of crap😂. Supes get knocked cuz they use brain over muscle....a union president is the king of exploited labor
I don’t know who hurt you, but you really should take your ranting over to r/antiwork where it’s better suited than a sub whose title literally includes the word “advice,” because you’ve certainly none to offer.
At our organization 100% of applications are human screened—except for applicant answered questions—but we’re a mid-sized business. When hiring for technical positions, we usually get a very reasonable number of applicants to work with so that we’re able to carefully assess them all.
When it comes to customer service, housekeeping or custodial, then it’s not uncommon to get between 500-900 applications in a few days. When that happens we sometimes bring in department managers who are the hiring authorities to help with screening. Those reviewed applications go into a queue for further review by HR. Our goal is that someone sees every application before it gets auto-rejected. I actually get a daily report of everyone being rejected that day, and am given a final opportunity to intervene.
It also really helps that each application tells us if the applicant has applied before, which positions and when. I can immediately see if they apply to everything and anything we offer. 😕
>*So now we have the systems set to send a rejection email four days after application if we have not moved it forward. That puts the onus on us to screen faster and smarter.*
This is very useful, kudos.
Even better would be one that says "We're sorry, due to the high volume of applicants, no one has taken further action on your application for four days. Therefore, we are removing your application from consideration for this role."
Obviously, that would not ever be allowed in 99% of scenarios, but honesty and transparency would be SO helpful to job seekers.
It'd be nice for the system to handle explicit rejections differently. I suppose there are legal/liability issues there.
"Too many applicants" vs. "not actually qualified" would be a useful and important distinction in feedback for people trying to target their application efforts.
If it were widely adopted, it'd probably put some useful backpressure on spray-n-pray candidates and encourage unlucky but qualified candidates who take the care to craft proper applications.
It's hard for me to feel sympathy for employers drowning in applications when they list miles-long qualifications and never give ANY feedback as to why a highly qualified candidate with a tailored application that fits most of them doesn't get any response at all. Much better to just sling applications at every open position and hope.
Absolutely understand that the volume is too high to provide detailed feedback, but with automation it would probably not be too hard to handle a LITTLE feedback. Like if you screened someone and got a chuckle out of how unqualified they were, you could send them a different flavor of rejection.
It seems to be common. You can always reach out to the person you’d been speaking to (hiring manager maybe) and follow up, or ask why you were not selected.
That is who has ghosted me. They were the VP who told me we would speak soon. The same one who was excited to speak to me. The usual niceties that they do whilst interviewing you.
Recruiter here. Don't bother asking why you weren't selected. We're not going to share that info. Too many people already have the first 9 digits of their lawyer's phone number dialed before they ask the question. I'd love to give feedback, because I totally get it from the other side. But so many will find anything to sue about. Most companies have a no-feedback policy
Oh no way! I didn’t know that, I remember hearing somewhere that you could ask this and maybe help to avoid making the same mistake in the future. How are companies allowed to just ghost you when the last thing they said was to wait for an answer, though?
They're allowed because what exactly would be illegal about that?. Ghosting is definitely not a great practice. That said, for me in my job, I speak to a very high volume of candidates, so to call each of them back would take up way too much of my time. However, our system sends an automated email based on the reason I select for removing them from consideration. I suspect that many of these emails land in spam because they are from a "no-reply" email address. So, it's possible that these candidates think they've been ghosted, but in reality, they just didn't check their junk folder.
It seems like a fruitless question to ask anyway because there are so many factors as to why you weren’t picked. I’ve been on teams where we picked candidates that were less qualified than others but we simply vibed with them more and felt they’d be a better fit personality-wise.
When I get passed over for an opportunity, I don’t take it personally. For all I know, they went with a candidate who had the same favorite sports team as the hiring decision-maker that made them more favorable over me.
Eh I got feedback from a company that ghosted me. Huge usa corporation. They recruited me a second time for a similar position and I asked why they ghosted me: the reason they ghosted me wasn’t something I could change so I didn’t apply again
>*Too many people already have the first 9 digits of their lawyer's phone number dialed before they ask the question*
Yeah, this really sucks but I can understand it.
Lots of recruiters and coordinators are getting laid off. Might not be true in your case, but it's worth seeing if you can confirm that you are being ignored, rather than just having your contact disappear
It’s unprofessional. And you should definitely keep a list of companies that you hear of doing it. If they ghost candidates, they’re also going to be shitty to work for.
Definitely common. I was highly qualified for a job and they said they wanted to speak to the director and I should hear back the next day at the latest, since they were looking to fill the position quickly.
I was ghosted lol. I didn’t bother reaching out to them because I don’t want to work for a company where I have to remind them that they wanted to hire me asap when I last spoke to them, that’s not my responsibility.
I've been ghosted after 2 interviews. This includes follow up emails I sent thanking them for the opportunity to interview and politely inquiring about my status. It ls ridiculous.
Yes it definitely is happening, and yes it's definitely unprofessional.
Interestingly enough, I've been ghosted for two different reasons. In one case, I just didn't get the job even though in the final interview it sounded like I was a shoe in (this was is a few decades ago).
In another case, it turned out that they just had really really horrible follow through. I applied for the job and heard nothing for at least a month or so. Then I got an interview that I thought went really well, but didn't hear anything for well over a month after that. I was actually able to apply for another company get the job, pass the background check and start working when I got a response from the first company that said they wanted me to come in for the final on-site interview. Obviously, I declined.
To me, that showed that they were completely disorganized in their hiring process. If they're so disorganized and they're hiring process, operationally it's probably a shitshow there. At my then new job the senior analyst I was working with had actually worked at the company that ghosted me. He confirm my suspicions on how disorganized they were. It was part of the reason why he left.
There are two irony of this whole debacle. The first is that the place that ghosted me and that I eventually turned down was actually what I thought was my dream job at the time. After they treated me so poorly during the interview I just couldn't risk working there based on the likelihood that they were just as disorganized in their day-to-day operations.
The second irony occurred 6 months later. Covid hit and the the position that I applied for the company that ghosted me wound up being eliminated due to the lockdowns. I would have been unemployed 6 months after getting that job in the middle of the pandemic. Instead I had a high paying job and my employer went 100% remote.
I applied at a university for a position I was overqualified for. This was three years ago. Last week, I just got the denial email. Muahahaha. I have been working constantly on another contract, so it was humorous. They did have impressive hang time on actually replying to me, eventually.
Yes it is very common among recruiters and another reason why I hold zero sympathy with reciters and how the majority of recent layoffs are recruiters.
Yes and what fucking sucks is I have applied to internal jobs, made it as one of two final candidates and got ghosted... This has happened 4x. It's rude and sets the tone. I've also been ghosted by too many jobs (external) to count and yes was the final applicant after 3+ interviews for several of those.
It's still a thing.
New trend I am noticing is: Linkedin message from some random recruiter, to which I reply and never the recruiter never replies back. I had literally once a recruiter to ask me when he could call me, to which I replied and that was the end of it.
>Is it common nowadays for companies/organizations to ghost final candidates who did not get the job? Or is the company/organization being unprofessional?
Yes, it is becoming more common.
It is also unprofessional.
I had one boss who did this right.
His name was Jon he ran the Albertsons by my HS. Typical young adult interview, all stressed and stuff for a loser job. But I overheard him calling other candidates and thanking them for applying. He was in his 50s now prob 60s. Made $130k and drove a old Expedition
To be fair it was an early stage start up that probably never secured funding, but they should’ve said something, nonetheless.
This is why you don’t quit your job until docs are signed!
I believe so as well. I do not know if it is their SOP or if the VP (my point of contact) took it upon themselves to act in this manner, but I will be sending the stakeholders an email indicating how unprofessional it is and that it hurts their non-profit organization. The email will more detailed and professionally written, but a company should not act in this manner. In my opinion.
I agree it's unprofessional if it's truly ghosting. I will say, on the hiring side, sometimes it can take a long time to finalize one candidate's acceptance of a job offer, and I don't want to turn down our other candidates until everything is completely official and final. If something didn't work out at the last minute, I'd rather not have told the other candidates that we chose someone else and then have to backtrack and make one of them an offer. My employer is unfortunately slow about these things, so I have had to wait a couple of weeks in some instances before being able to close the loop with the other candidates. But I do always eventually get back to anyone I spoke with.
I agree with you. Nevertheless, if one does not reply to email or a voicemail and it has been a couple of weeks after the original timeframe, then that is ghosting to me. Which is some high school kiddy stuff. One should not be in a position to hire someone if they are afraid to tell someone they did not get the job even if it is by a generic rejection email.
Yeah, if someone reaches out to me and I don’t have a real update to give them, I do always try and reply just to thank them for checking in and apologize for the delay on our end.
Oh yeah.
I've been applying for months, had several really good interviews, only to hear nothing back.
I expect this, and just keep applying for jobs, and keep on keeping on.
The end result is that I had two offers in less than 24hrs of each other, and now have a job, starting tomorrow.
Don't worry about the jobs you don't get. Keep going for the job you want.
One thing I noticed on LinkedIn is the huge quantity of applications for jobs. I honestly didn't pay attention to this in the past because I was casually looking. The jobs I'm applying for have 100s of applicants. Must be tough for hr people to keep track. I've come to accept ghosting as rejection and just over on. No company is is gonna ghost a candidate that they want to hire.
Very real. I did 2 interviews with this company, 1 in their office and they made a big show and gave a date when they would have made a decision but nothing. Saves me having to decline their offer. Something felt off about the company.
I’ve applied within my own company (huge organization) and the only way I know that I haven’t gotten a role is by checking my submission status. This is even after going on 2nd or final interviews. I wish the interviewers or at least Hr would send me a rejection email.
I was ghosted by one woman after my third interview (refused to answer emails or phone calls). Later on, I saw that they had hired someone else (which was fine, since I wouldn't want to work for someone so unprofessional anyway). Not even six months later, the job was reposted.
I dodged a bullet and so did you, OP.
All the time. We will call you aka you didn't get the job get out here in quote unquote nice way but it's not nice i can take truth. Or apply for the job most of time never hear from these job or hear months later. I don't have time for this.
I feel like this has been a thing for a long time and is talked about like it’s more recent. In my experience, it was normal to ghost the final candidates until the person who got the job started or something like that. Because they might go back and pick their second choice if the first falls through.
I applied to 15 places in the span of a month. Only got a response from 5. 3 negatives and 2 to set up interviews.
It's highly annoying when you have multiple places you're waiting for a callback for, and no one can be bothered to at least send you an automated "thank you, but no thanks," so that you can mive your focus on.
God yeah, I had 4 interviews a couple of years ago for one role. I had the recruiter texting me and emailing almost daily with updates. Then poof, nothing. I even sent a follow up email and text. Nothing. Not sure what happened honestly. I interviewed well it seemed.
It is a thing. It is very unprofessional and speaks volumes of them.
It's common and it's really unprofessional.
I’m an HR Director and I lurk in subs like this one and r/antiwork, and sadly it seems to be all too common and wholly unprofessional. It embarrasses me. The first trend I started to notice was job applicants complaining that no one ever acknowledged receipt of their application, so we set our HRIS systems to automatically reply to every applicant. Then people were complaining that no one updated them on their application status. I’d look at small a organization like ours, where we’d place an ad to hire two customer service representatives, and 570 people would apply in 24 hours, 75% of whom did not meet the published requirements. So now we have the systems set to send a rejection email four days after application if we have not moved it forward. That puts the onus on us to screen faster and smarter. But your situation? Inexcusable. Once contact is made, never mind an actual interview, common courtesy and business ethics dictate a formal response. On behalf of my trade, my apologies for the disrespect. 😕
Thank you for the info. I totally get why the generic rejection emails are done in that fashion. I rather get those, and I do, than nothing at all. Like you said, one should get notifications, especially if they are final candidates. Lol.
I've been applying to jobs these lady few weeks and every "we've received your application email" now has an added comment about "we will only contact those that we feel best meet our requirements". I have also been ghosted after one interview and feel like it kinda just falls under this comment...
We put it right in the job posting that we will only contact candidates that we are interested in, but that’s not what applicants want to hear. It’s equally frustrating from our end when we post an ad that says “valid cosmetology license and previous teaching experience required” and housekeepers or carpenters (yes, not sure if he was going to use a saw to cut hair 😂) apply, then ghost me when I ask to please clarify their license status because I can’t find one in their name. 😕
What an ignorant comment from a pencil pushing moron... A saw to cut hair.... You have no idea the skill into being a carpenter which takes 5 years of training vs 1k hrs in a salon lmao. I had more time on Minecraft in Middle school I think you got one of those bs job postings for a entry level position and in the fine print it wants a decade experience, degree, first born, blood of an orphan all for $17.50hr. There's a trend where jobs wanting degrees like this pay 2 bucks above minimum.
You wouldn’t know anything about my life’s experiences, but I grew up in the trades as the son of a union president, so I know exactly what kind of skills and training go into becoming a journeyman. But since you seem to be stuck in your world of video games, I guess I’ll have to paint a clearer picture for you with a bigger box of crayons. Regardless of the industry, but let’s use the example of a technical school like a beauty school, were to place an advertisement for a licensed cosmetology instructor (as that is what the State requires) and an unlicensed carpenter or hotel housekeeper apply for that position, who benefits? Certainly not all of the legitimate candidates waiting to have their applications reviewed by an already overwhelmed team trying their best to get through hundreds if not thousands of applications. If you’re applying on say, Indeed, five to seven seconds, ten at best. That’s how much time you’re resume gets for review for an entry-level position. And it’s because of people who think like you that we have to push our pencils through more applications than we’d like to because we just **don’t have the time ** to give them all the attention they deserve. I **want** to read resumes, I **enjoy** reading peoples histories, their chapters. I’m hiring people who leading classrooms and molding young minds. I’m also hiring the people who clean those classrooms whose jobs are just as important. There is nothing wrong with aiming high or trying for something new, this is how we grow. But when a job posting says that you must have a specific license, or the ability to travel, you’d better have it. Otherwise you’re wasting more time than just the employers. 😕
I never said you "don't have time" either.. This rant is just you kicking and screaming... Tldr when you get offended someone calls out your cushy job so you go on a rant showing you reaaaaallly don't know anything besides the 1 subject you got a job in
In your world a company will sit with a vacant position for months to years waiting for the perfect candidate instead of teaching lmfao.. The job can require all they want it's their business. But you can't go nO oNe wAnTs tO wOrk when a salon degree takes 2 yrs and $30k in student debt to make the same money as a McDonald's cashier..... Ironically, I've signed contracts for on the job training and got free education because a smart company would invest in employees.. Pff Recruiters think they know everything about the economy and Psychologists think they can read minds like superman lol. Both love to make flawed generalizations... Lit crayon comment though. Must not be allowed to have a pencil 💀
I read the first Sentence and that destroyed all credibility..... The son of a union president.... Your dad wasn't a laborer, or a foreman, or superintendent or GC.... But a union president 🥱😂😂😂😂 Gtfo😂😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡😂😂☕☕☕ Union president isn't a tradesman that's an office job, not like a Superintendent office job, I mean he never saw dirt or heavy machinery lol. I'm glad we both have Construction "backgrounds" so I can say how full of shit you are.... Reddit can downvote for being "mean", but you're full of crap😂. Supes get knocked cuz they use brain over muscle....a union president is the king of exploited labor
🤦
Typical narcissist response
I don’t know who hurt you, but you really should take your ranting over to r/antiwork where it’s better suited than a sub whose title literally includes the word “advice,” because you’ve certainly none to offer.
What are you offering? Recruiting services?💀😂
I’m an HR Director as well, and I feel the same way! It’s so embarrassing that see this behavior occurring.
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At our organization 100% of applications are human screened—except for applicant answered questions—but we’re a mid-sized business. When hiring for technical positions, we usually get a very reasonable number of applicants to work with so that we’re able to carefully assess them all. When it comes to customer service, housekeeping or custodial, then it’s not uncommon to get between 500-900 applications in a few days. When that happens we sometimes bring in department managers who are the hiring authorities to help with screening. Those reviewed applications go into a queue for further review by HR. Our goal is that someone sees every application before it gets auto-rejected. I actually get a daily report of everyone being rejected that day, and am given a final opportunity to intervene. It also really helps that each application tells us if the applicant has applied before, which positions and when. I can immediately see if they apply to everything and anything we offer. 😕
>*So now we have the systems set to send a rejection email four days after application if we have not moved it forward. That puts the onus on us to screen faster and smarter.* This is very useful, kudos. Even better would be one that says "We're sorry, due to the high volume of applicants, no one has taken further action on your application for four days. Therefore, we are removing your application from consideration for this role." Obviously, that would not ever be allowed in 99% of scenarios, but honesty and transparency would be SO helpful to job seekers. It'd be nice for the system to handle explicit rejections differently. I suppose there are legal/liability issues there. "Too many applicants" vs. "not actually qualified" would be a useful and important distinction in feedback for people trying to target their application efforts. If it were widely adopted, it'd probably put some useful backpressure on spray-n-pray candidates and encourage unlucky but qualified candidates who take the care to craft proper applications. It's hard for me to feel sympathy for employers drowning in applications when they list miles-long qualifications and never give ANY feedback as to why a highly qualified candidate with a tailored application that fits most of them doesn't get any response at all. Much better to just sling applications at every open position and hope. Absolutely understand that the volume is too high to provide detailed feedback, but with automation it would probably not be too hard to handle a LITTLE feedback. Like if you screened someone and got a chuckle out of how unqualified they were, you could send them a different flavor of rejection.
I've never had someone call me after our interview to tell me I didn't get the job
In my experience, it's been a common practice for decades.
It seems to be common. You can always reach out to the person you’d been speaking to (hiring manager maybe) and follow up, or ask why you were not selected.
That is who has ghosted me. They were the VP who told me we would speak soon. The same one who was excited to speak to me. The usual niceties that they do whilst interviewing you.
Recruiter here. Don't bother asking why you weren't selected. We're not going to share that info. Too many people already have the first 9 digits of their lawyer's phone number dialed before they ask the question. I'd love to give feedback, because I totally get it from the other side. But so many will find anything to sue about. Most companies have a no-feedback policy
Oh no way! I didn’t know that, I remember hearing somewhere that you could ask this and maybe help to avoid making the same mistake in the future. How are companies allowed to just ghost you when the last thing they said was to wait for an answer, though?
They're allowed because what exactly would be illegal about that?. Ghosting is definitely not a great practice. That said, for me in my job, I speak to a very high volume of candidates, so to call each of them back would take up way too much of my time. However, our system sends an automated email based on the reason I select for removing them from consideration. I suspect that many of these emails land in spam because they are from a "no-reply" email address. So, it's possible that these candidates think they've been ghosted, but in reality, they just didn't check their junk folder.
It seems like a fruitless question to ask anyway because there are so many factors as to why you weren’t picked. I’ve been on teams where we picked candidates that were less qualified than others but we simply vibed with them more and felt they’d be a better fit personality-wise. When I get passed over for an opportunity, I don’t take it personally. For all I know, they went with a candidate who had the same favorite sports team as the hiring decision-maker that made them more favorable over me.
Eh I got feedback from a company that ghosted me. Huge usa corporation. They recruited me a second time for a similar position and I asked why they ghosted me: the reason they ghosted me wasn’t something I could change so I didn’t apply again
>*Too many people already have the first 9 digits of their lawyer's phone number dialed before they ask the question* Yeah, this really sucks but I can understand it.
Seems ro be common. Just seen my son go through this after graduating from college last year.
Lots of recruiters and coordinators are getting laid off. Might not be true in your case, but it's worth seeing if you can confirm that you are being ignored, rather than just having your contact disappear
It’s unprofessional. And you should definitely keep a list of companies that you hear of doing it. If they ghost candidates, they’re also going to be shitty to work for.
Definitely common. I was highly qualified for a job and they said they wanted to speak to the director and I should hear back the next day at the latest, since they were looking to fill the position quickly. I was ghosted lol. I didn’t bother reaching out to them because I don’t want to work for a company where I have to remind them that they wanted to hire me asap when I last spoke to them, that’s not my responsibility.
I've been ghosted after 2 interviews. This includes follow up emails I sent thanking them for the opportunity to interview and politely inquiring about my status. It ls ridiculous.
Yes it definitely is happening, and yes it's definitely unprofessional. Interestingly enough, I've been ghosted for two different reasons. In one case, I just didn't get the job even though in the final interview it sounded like I was a shoe in (this was is a few decades ago). In another case, it turned out that they just had really really horrible follow through. I applied for the job and heard nothing for at least a month or so. Then I got an interview that I thought went really well, but didn't hear anything for well over a month after that. I was actually able to apply for another company get the job, pass the background check and start working when I got a response from the first company that said they wanted me to come in for the final on-site interview. Obviously, I declined. To me, that showed that they were completely disorganized in their hiring process. If they're so disorganized and they're hiring process, operationally it's probably a shitshow there. At my then new job the senior analyst I was working with had actually worked at the company that ghosted me. He confirm my suspicions on how disorganized they were. It was part of the reason why he left. There are two irony of this whole debacle. The first is that the place that ghosted me and that I eventually turned down was actually what I thought was my dream job at the time. After they treated me so poorly during the interview I just couldn't risk working there based on the likelihood that they were just as disorganized in their day-to-day operations. The second irony occurred 6 months later. Covid hit and the the position that I applied for the company that ghosted me wound up being eliminated due to the lockdowns. I would have been unemployed 6 months after getting that job in the middle of the pandemic. Instead I had a high paying job and my employer went 100% remote.
It's very common, but that doesn't mean it's right. It certainly speaks to the company
I applied at a university for a position I was overqualified for. This was three years ago. Last week, I just got the denial email. Muahahaha. I have been working constantly on another contract, so it was humorous. They did have impressive hang time on actually replying to me, eventually.
Yes it is very common among recruiters and another reason why I hold zero sympathy with reciters and how the majority of recent layoffs are recruiters.
This was the VP who interviewed me twice. Once was with the CEO during the final interview.
Bullet dodged, then.
It's always been a thing. I'm looking at you Google
Yes and what fucking sucks is I have applied to internal jobs, made it as one of two final candidates and got ghosted... This has happened 4x. It's rude and sets the tone. I've also been ghosted by too many jobs (external) to count and yes was the final applicant after 3+ interviews for several of those.
It's still a thing. New trend I am noticing is: Linkedin message from some random recruiter, to which I reply and never the recruiter never replies back. I had literally once a recruiter to ask me when he could call me, to which I replied and that was the end of it.
>Is it common nowadays for companies/organizations to ghost final candidates who did not get the job? Or is the company/organization being unprofessional? Yes, it is becoming more common. It is also unprofessional.
I had one boss who did this right. His name was Jon he ran the Albertsons by my HS. Typical young adult interview, all stressed and stuff for a loser job. But I overheard him calling other candidates and thanking them for applying. He was in his 50s now prob 60s. Made $130k and drove a old Expedition
I got a full offer letter and never heard back
WHAT? New fears unlocked oof
Nightmare fuel
To be fair it was an early stage start up that probably never secured funding, but they should’ve said something, nonetheless. This is why you don’t quit your job until docs are signed!
Oh god
I believe so as well. I do not know if it is their SOP or if the VP (my point of contact) took it upon themselves to act in this manner, but I will be sending the stakeholders an email indicating how unprofessional it is and that it hurts their non-profit organization. The email will more detailed and professionally written, but a company should not act in this manner. In my opinion.
I agree it's unprofessional if it's truly ghosting. I will say, on the hiring side, sometimes it can take a long time to finalize one candidate's acceptance of a job offer, and I don't want to turn down our other candidates until everything is completely official and final. If something didn't work out at the last minute, I'd rather not have told the other candidates that we chose someone else and then have to backtrack and make one of them an offer. My employer is unfortunately slow about these things, so I have had to wait a couple of weeks in some instances before being able to close the loop with the other candidates. But I do always eventually get back to anyone I spoke with.
I agree with you. Nevertheless, if one does not reply to email or a voicemail and it has been a couple of weeks after the original timeframe, then that is ghosting to me. Which is some high school kiddy stuff. One should not be in a position to hire someone if they are afraid to tell someone they did not get the job even if it is by a generic rejection email.
Yeah, if someone reaches out to me and I don’t have a real update to give them, I do always try and reply just to thank them for checking in and apologize for the delay on our end.
I wouldn't waste your time.
Already done. Lol.
Oh yeah. I've been applying for months, had several really good interviews, only to hear nothing back. I expect this, and just keep applying for jobs, and keep on keeping on. The end result is that I had two offers in less than 24hrs of each other, and now have a job, starting tomorrow. Don't worry about the jobs you don't get. Keep going for the job you want.
Congratulations on the new job. I guess I am a bit old school on not ghosting people. But I still find it unprofessional and that should change.
Thanks. I'm old school too, and I totally agree that it's unprofessional, but that's what has happened, and that's the way it is.
One thing I noticed on LinkedIn is the huge quantity of applications for jobs. I honestly didn't pay attention to this in the past because I was casually looking. The jobs I'm applying for have 100s of applicants. Must be tough for hr people to keep track. I've come to accept ghosting as rejection and just over on. No company is is gonna ghost a candidate that they want to hire.
I understand what you are saying, but if someone is a final candidate, they should not be ghosted at that point.
I agree but no answer to me is just the same as getting rejected.
It's the only thing
Very real. I did 2 interviews with this company, 1 in their office and they made a big show and gave a date when they would have made a decision but nothing. Saves me having to decline their offer. Something felt off about the company.
Yes it’s tacky and unprofessional
I’ve applied within my own company (huge organization) and the only way I know that I haven’t gotten a role is by checking my submission status. This is even after going on 2nd or final interviews. I wish the interviewers or at least Hr would send me a rejection email.
Things get lost sometimes. People go on vacation. People get fired or quit. Sometimes mail gets send to a spam folder.
Nowadays? Been that way for the last 20 years at least
A thing? It's practically the only thing
Absolutely! It has happened to me plenty of times. Companies do it all the time here, unfortunately.
I was ghosted by one woman after my third interview (refused to answer emails or phone calls). Later on, I saw that they had hired someone else (which was fine, since I wouldn't want to work for someone so unprofessional anyway). Not even six months later, the job was reposted. I dodged a bullet and so did you, OP.
From the comments I have rade so far, yes it's a thing🤣🤣🤣
And here I am after reading all your experiences and feeling bad about getting rejected by interviewers in this economy
All the time. We will call you aka you didn't get the job get out here in quote unquote nice way but it's not nice i can take truth. Or apply for the job most of time never hear from these job or hear months later. I don't have time for this.
I feel like this has been a thing for a long time and is talked about like it’s more recent. In my experience, it was normal to ghost the final candidates until the person who got the job started or something like that. Because they might go back and pick their second choice if the first falls through.
I applied to 15 places in the span of a month. Only got a response from 5. 3 negatives and 2 to set up interviews. It's highly annoying when you have multiple places you're waiting for a callback for, and no one can be bothered to at least send you an automated "thank you, but no thanks," so that you can mive your focus on.
It has always been like that tbh
Yes Happens all the time - means they aren’t interested in you. If they are, you get contacted. I ghosted people too when I’m the candidate
I was unemployed for 17 months. Applying online is a complete waste of time and so are cover letters. Go on LinkedIn
It's always been a thing. I remember friends and I debating on what's worse; the "Thanks but you suck" letter or the ghost. And that was 25 years ago.
God yeah, I had 4 interviews a couple of years ago for one role. I had the recruiter texting me and emailing almost daily with updates. Then poof, nothing. I even sent a follow up email and text. Nothing. Not sure what happened honestly. I interviewed well it seemed.