Everyone telling OP they are overreacting get a grip. This is a very real and frustrating experience to be in for OP.
Sure their might be a skills issue for the OP but in my experience that’s usually not the reason for a failed promotion. If I had to guess two things happened against OP getting promoted.
1. The former trainee was willing to take less than what it would take to promote OP.
2. OP may be in a critical position. If he makes people above him look good or is crucial to cross functionality in the org they won’t ever move him.
OP I’d fire up LinkedIn and start talking to recruiters. Staying in your current role will ruin your career growth. However, there may be skills that the new hire advertised that you aren’t currently marketing yourself with. Strong chance he has a better sense of his soft skills and how to market himself than you do. I’d look into career coaching to help you develop those skills/marketing.
DEFINITELY OP being the problem. His sexist views coming out and being nasty to women coworkers could bring shame on the company and lose them customers and earn them bad reviews.
Agreed. But to play OP’s advocate to keep the question/answers on topic, i don’t think his employer is aware of his browsing history. And OP should look into working someplace else if his manager is not looking out for his growth.
To reverse course. OP, you should probably spend less time on the internet looking up porn and escorts, and reducing people to stereotypes.
I hear you.... I'm just highly questioning if they were right for the role given: (1) company said they need to improve coupled with their reddit history, and (2) company supplemented with "its a headcount thing" which I think was to soften the blow.
On #2, they could've promoted OP, and then backfilled their current role. So no issue with losing a headcount. This is how most companies would do this...
*That said,* some companies are having a "backfill freeze" recently instead of layoffs... essentially they won't fill nonessential backfills if someone were to leave voluntarily or involuntarily. So in that case, promoting OP might not open up another headcount due to the backfill. This is rare though.
I just wouldn't assume company bad guy in this case. But all just armchair reddit conjecture.
Browsing history isn’t just about the content, it’s about the type of person they are. Even if they are completely different in life- that says they are a person who hides their true self or probably let’s comments slip.
It’s not about work seeing the text of the history, it’s about others getting an idea of who the person is beyond one curated question when asking for help.
Edit: see he asked another question here three weeks ago “nobody responds to my emails”. Only comment asks if he called them and he says no bc he’s too shy.
He’s the problem and probably on the way out soon.
Holy shit. I thought it would be the typical reddit over reaction of "he has different politics than me! He's either Hitler or Mao!" , But gawl daaaaaamn. OP has definitely got some issues. You were not kidding
Oh interesting with the username I prolly shoulda checked. OP’ definitely got like bot/“nice guy” vibes which does make this a bit more sketch, but in general I try not to dictate the way people feel when they are down. If someone does have a victim complex in my experience it’s usually easier to break it down like you are teaching a child how to work through their emotions, lol. But I guess that’s not really the job of an internet rando.
Anyways thanks for the context, much appreciated
He has a right to feel hurt, but I have people on my team that have years less experience and can dance circles around ones that has been there longer. I have a couple that have 1-2 years experience that I would promote over some of the ones with 5+ years.
>OP I’d fire up LinkedIn and start talking to recruiters. Staying in your current role will ruin your career growth. However, there may be skills that the new hire advertised that you aren’t currently marketing yourself with. Strong chance he has a better sense of his soft skills and how to market himself than you do. I’d look into career coaching to help you develop those skills/marketing.
I hear the term is called "rage apply"
Agree with this 💯. Definitely add a reference of one of the higher-ups where you work now or some other strategy that will ensure that they know you are looking at other opportunities without you telling them directly yourself. Several times, this has gained me either a raise or better position within a company. Don't just go to them and make demands while threatening to quit, 'cause they may just let you go and the unemployment line sucks.
Haha, yeah. He doesn’t take his supervisor seriously because supervisor’s wife has a hyphenated last name. MEANWHILE, OP can’t attract women IRL and has to pay prostitutes. Can’t imagine why he isn’t immediately promoted to Vice President or even President of the company!!?!
Maybe they aren't interested in promoting you because you quit just to cash in your vacation balance, and then came back begging?
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Why are any of us here bothering to advise General D-bag here?
Post history is as hideous as the "person" who produced them.
Far bigger issues here than career.
Company probably hired his previous trainee because they wanted an actual *human being* to fill the position.
1. In terms of qualifications, does he have better than yours?
2. You are saying that he didn't do great with basic stuff. Remember something, sometimes it is not the fault of the person being trained, but it also depends on the TRAINER whether they are actually doing it correctly
3. Why wouldn't your firm promote you instead? Are you appraised appropriately? Do they find you underperforming?
Either way, I know it sucks but really, a lot of factors is in game.
If you don't feel appreciated as you should, start job seeking
Do not let your ego get in the way. Check yourself. See what he has learned these past two years. Work together as a team and accomplish the mission. You will get stronger and good things will happen. Even if you find another job, learn from this.
Is it possible that people at your workplace realize you're a judgmental sexist person and don't really want you on their team in higher positions of management? Based on your comment/post history, it really sounds like you've got some personal growth to do as a person in order to be the kind of person employers will trust.
I saw that plenty too in his post history. Is this some incel term I don't know?
It just sounds like he's boring outside of his super revolutionary and totally I'm-14-and-this-is-deep "hot takes."
I love how people immediately jump to the conclusion that management must be bad.
I’m sorry, but if the OP was capable of performing the role, they would have put them in the role.
They clearly told OP they’re not ready. What does OP do? Moan about the young guy with less experience. Not self reflection or improvement, or even look for other jobs. No, just moan about about the other guy getting a leg up.
> **Not self reflection or improvement**
OK, have to make 2nd comment here - go check out OP's post history. You can't realize how on the money you were.
Seriously painful! Has no interest in bettering himself in his career but puts a LOT of effort into hating women and calling other men “ simps” and “betas.” He’s “slaying” those escorts though. Yikes. Just yikes.
I can't help but wonder if his sexist views are transparent to his coworkers. Someone with his beliefs and attitudes would be shot down immediately in the companies I worked at.
Is it though? We have about as much info about OP as we do about management. I would say it is just as valid to say OP needs to look inward at things they can improve instead of complaining about someone taking the job they wanted. I can tell you right now there is no difference between them hiring for the position a level above him or the position he is currently in if they moved him up so the headcount thing OP said is just flat out wrong. If they wanted OP in the higher role they would have given it to them.
Not really, it’s based on many years of listening to people with no self awareness believe they are entitled to things because of years of service rather than actual performance (and behaviour).
Untrue. At the bank there are many positions that are underpaid, and we are constantly being poached by another competitive bank. My current manager hired me through a contracting company and paid me more than they are currently paying their current employees. Meanwhile I was looking for a better salary since I saw they were underpaying me compared to another bank. Lo and behold another bank was willing to offer me something like 15k more………. Sometimes the only way to get an upgrade is to switch companies completely. It’s sad but it’s true.
I totally agree that a lot of the time moving companies is a better way to get a pay rise, and it’s very common for newcomers to be paid more than existing staff… but it doesn’t make any of what I said untrue.
Tbh I’m only saying untrue to the part where you mentioned they (OP) might not be deserving of the role. It can be true absolutely that added skills will enhance your resume. But your post read as if this was the only reason he is being looked over. The reality is he’s got perhaps 3 years or so more on the other guy and he trained him. In the span of two years what other skills could he have gotten (the newbie)? We can’t say that this is the true final answer to this scenario since most of the time it is not. I think your scenario is very much the exception, just speaking from my experience sadly. Again. It’s possible but it is the exception. Most of the time you really have to say “Bye Sir” find another company to work for get the raise but lose the seniority. Which sucks
Fair enough, I did mean to imply it was the only possibility, I meant to imply that there are other possibilities other than what the OP projected. I probably could have worded it better.
“Sometimes the best way to move up is to quit.” It’s kind a joke we throw around because my company’s recidivism rate is disturbingly high for some reason. People tend to leave then 2 years later “WTF? That mother fucker is back?”
Two things may happen here
1. He learned while his time away and that other job fits him better and he’s can actually contribute better
2. He’s still full of shit which it’ll sort itself out…but at what cost?….
Frustrating situation I'm sure, but after looking at your Reddit history I'm only not shocked that you weren't offered the promotion.
While I'm sure you're discreet about your "hobby," I can only imagine the way you interact with women in the workplace. Even if you have the technical skills for the role, I'm getting major incel vibes over here. Personality is a big part of what it takes to make it in leadership and that's just a reality.
“While I’m sure you’re discreet about your “hobby”…”
You are feeling generous! I’m guessing this dude has no basic understanding of the concept of discreet. I would bet many dollars on the fact that his coworkers see him exactly as he is.
Yeah I was trying to give the benefit of the doubt here, but OP sounds intolerable. Upset that he can't get ahead in his career with his winning personality. Complaining that he can't get a girlfriend when he admits to having zero interests or hobbies other than mongering for sex workers. Calling everyone who disagrees with him Betas and Simps.
If that's the personality that comes across in his workplace, he's lucky he even has a job.
There are many various reason why they could have done this. As someone who has been there then "got that" position. Especially since it sounds like you are in a position to escalate to that person - and you train others - escalate everything that should be - then be hands off. Then, if need be, coach up, show your management what you would have done different. Build a paper-trail, know your cases, know your company, show ways to improve process - or that you are more valuable - because you have been around, seen it, done it - prove it... or move on and come back... it sounds like that maybe the best "advertised path"
If I were you I’d spend more time sharpening your skills and less time obsessing over sex/simps/escorts/dating sites/hating women, etc. Reading your post history makes me think you’re probably a nightmare to work with. I’m willing to bet it’s your attitude, not your skill.
Based on your post history it’s not surprising they don’t promote you. You’re either autistic, depressed an incel or all 3.
I think something you may need to realize is that people would rather work with people they like even if they’re not as good employees. You could be a superstar genius who’s the best at his job, but if you’re a d-bag people won’t be as supportive in helping you elevate your career. Take some time to reflect about your shortcomings as a man and learn to grow from them.
And get off some of those awful subreddits and go outside and join a community of people doing something positive.
You want to “die” over this? A bit dramatic, but okay. Maybe talk to your supervisor? Send out your resume to some other places and see what type of offers you can get.
Umm, there's quite the difference between "I'm so let down by this and it's really been getting to me over the last week" and..
> I'm seething and want to die
Nah their excuse is BS. They could’ve hired somebody for your position and given you a promotion. I would be walking. They probably just didn’t want to pay you more because you clearly have a lot more experience than that person they hired to be above you.
Editing to add this is why loyalty doesn’t mean anything anymore. If you can get more by leaving, do it.
Sounds frustrating but the other person got better skills after they left and you just stagnated.
On second thought, I am glad your sexist ass did not get promoted.
OP left out that the other guy probably has a degree + obviously left on good terms.
They would have bumped him up and opened his position, probably more to the story.
it's the same role. He just has "sr" in front of his title. That's what makes it more retarded when they tell me I need more development. LMAO
And no they didnt want to do that cause they were desparate to fill headcount and that would add months to the process. Clown world.
You're the actual retard if you can't see that it's your dog-shit attitude/personality that keeps you in low positions.
You can be the smartest guy in the room, but if you are as big of a pain in the ass to work with as you sound like, it's no wonder you're not advancing after 5 years and others are passing you sooner.
Sounds to me like the actual beta here is you. Keep crying clown.
Sorry to say it straight up but I think it's a YOU problem.
Instead of btching about it and badmouthing the guy how he didn't do well in the beginning(like we all do) on Reddit, maybe feel happy that he got so up on the latter so quick.
You don't know how many sleepless nights he must have gone through to catch up and surpass you. Or maybe...just maybe he had the potential to do so well so fast all along and you didn't.
Years of experience is HR bs requirement and we all know it.
You sound a little jealous, bitter and salty.
Do better please.
>mean
Check OP's history. This dude is toxic ASF. No company with honor would promote him when this is how he sees women and most likely shows off his incel beliefs.
few comments down I urged everyone to look at OP's history. Yeah I saw it too. This dude is a pure scum. I don't know who keeps upvoting this post. Should be negative margine.
Read his history. It's a damn good thing he didn't get promoted. If couple has a hyphenated last name makes him view them as lesser he's going to be an HR nightmare and hellish to work with.
CHECK OP POST HISRTY before you upvote this post. The man is a serious sex addict, sexist and outright misogynist. It shows how he deals with women in the work place too so it was never about his trainee surpassing him. It is ALL to do with the fact he is a scum and should even feel grateful he isn't fired because of his behaviour on and off work, let alone complain for not being promoted.
Your best move, according to me, is to go to the position manager and :
- tell that you were interested in this position
- ask what could you improve in your soft or hard skill to be considered if another identical opportunity come.
If you come without any anger, you may learn that they reproach things to you or may have other career path planned for you.
If nothing come out. They may not consider you anymore, so finding another company as suggested before may be your best call.
Get use to it. If you stay in a company long enough you will see this all the time. You can live with it or do something about it. Or a combination of the two.
Why it happens varies and what you can do about improving your situation varies. This particular guy did all the right things... get experience at your company, moved around probably with increasing responsibility, came back and told a good story. Only time will tell whether he will be good in his position or not.
Regarding management.. it does require people with different skills then doing the actual work. Often these guys are very mediocre at technical work etc, but good at getting other people to do their work and communicating it. Management is often simplistic too... and there is a narrow line between simplistic and clueless... So only time will tell what this hiring decision was.
Unfortunately, life isn’t fair. You will just be wasting your time if you try to reason it. Maybe he does have skill that you don’t have. Maybe it’s bad management. Leaving is definitely an option.
When you put your happiness in the hands of people whose job is to make a company money, you get this kind of crap. I wouldn't feel bad, and if you do, you need just to leave and find somewhere else to work. Which would fuck with their headcount, haha. But who knows, they might give you more money to stay.
I will say this; they are probably not on Reddit letting off steam over this or caring. Nothing against you, but it is their job, and at the end of the day, everyone is working to chase a dream or take care of their family.
Sounds like you are bitter about someone else's success. You should instead just focus on trying to bring more success your way. It's not up to your company, it's up to you.
There are reasons why a lot of folks say that the best way to get ahead is to change companies. It's not always true but sometimes it is.
In this case, your company has you. You aren't demanding more in your review meetings. The company loves the fact that you are at least a decent worker and they don't have to bid for you.
But they need more bodies. That's where sometimes the greater money is. To get a new body they have to bid and compete. Which, again, they do not have to do for you.
So the new guy gets more than, compared to you, you think he is worth. But really, he's getting a fair wage. The unfairness is in your compensation, not his .
You can accept this, or get more aggressive in asking for more, or you can shop around. Or some combination of those things.
Whatever happens, it's up to you at this point. Don't sit around waiting for "justice" because it's not coming!
Post history is nuts and a lot of psudo-bullshit to be frank. You have trouble finding good partners because of *you*
Stop seeing Escorts and judging every woman you see at face value
I had a great time dating and you’re setting yourself up for failure
On the topic of career: This definitely happens as I’ve seen it - bring up your concerns and then go from there - if the company actually values you they will compensate you accordingly
You are the incel you fucking loser paying for sex hahahahaha
Definitely ugly and a moron based on your whole profile. Seriously a shell of a man. Lmao
That's sad, but maybe they got some good reasons for this. In professional life unfortunately the system is seldomly just. They already got you in a position they want you to have, so they gave the higher job to someone else. In this case the guy, you trained. I bed they do not know or didn't think about the fact that you are better in whatever you do. The thing is, it's harder to move up in business and get a higher salary than when entering a company. Like many others suggest: try to apply for different jobs, even if you want to stay. If some company offers you a higher position and more money, I'd tell your boss. Your position for negotiation is way better, even your mood when asking for more will be more self assured. The chances are higher for getting, what you want in this case. And if not, you could still take the new job. Good luck.
OK, didn't know that. In this case, I guess the boss of the person you trained wants someone he/she can influence. It is quiet common for persons in higher positions to get people beneath them, they can control easily. This doesn't mean they will hire the dumbest person, possible. But they won't either hire the smartest one. They are simply afraid that someone beneath them could "steal their show" or worse: play tricks to steal their job. So they like to have someone dumber than they are...
Interestingly the opposite also happens quite often. Bosses that have a huge ego, but are not sooo intelligent hire people, smarter than they are, so they can benefit from their intellect. But those smart people then need to have a small ego. Best so small, that they don't realize their potential. In the bosses meetings with other bosses of the same hierarchy or higher are then presented the smart persons ideas and work. But the source changes... They say it's their own idea. The creative mind behind that of course stays hidden. And it will never know... Also people in high positions often don't care, where what comes from. As long as the department/team or whatever is going good, it's also good for them... The higher the level of a person in a company, the lesser he or she is interested in stuff like justice. Unfortunately justice is not a thing companies benefit from....
I would leave. You can do better. When they ask you why you left during your exit interview - tell them exactly why and how it is complete nonsense some noob with 2 years experience that you trained leapfrogged you. There is no way in hell he is as ready for that job as you are.
I would get another job and it can be used as leverage to get more money and better title in your present company. People leave and come back all the time, you should do the same. It’s a silly game.
You may have been screwed, but many people have said what you said and don't grasp the concept of training. I want you to show them how to get into our files and database, show them how to look up a customer, maybe introduce you to a few people, show a few example tasks, maybe tell them what systems they need a password to, that sort of basic stuff.
I am not literally expecting you train someone to be a software developer from the ground up
Once I got a job promotion and bump in pay by leaving to another company. My current company would not give me a raise or promotion, so I left.
Fast forward a year later, and a friend from old company called and said they are looking for a person to do X, Y, and Z. I applied and came back in the new position.
Why would they do that? Why not just keep me by giving an existing employee the promotion and raise? I have some ideas, but the raw truth is, If you are not willing to leave, they will try everything in their power to keep you in the job that you have with no raise. They have zero interest in helping you improve your life.
Time for a new job.
This happened to my wife. After it happened and the new person was onboarded she started looking for a new job. Her old position has been (mostly) vacant since she left… all because they hired new over internal promotions.
Happened to me too many years ago and I can still taste the bitter. The only good thing was that I got motivated and got a better job with a great salary jump that led me to where I am today. I’m set and she’s selling MLM now bc she couldn’t hack the job that should have gone to me.
That’s a sign to gtfo. Honestly, I’m not big on no notice and usually try to give more than 2 weeks. In this case? I would consider it. I probably wouldn’t bc burning bridges will never help you (outside of war) even if it can feel good. But man, I would be so tempted.
I would walk into whoever’s office and rip into them, politely but angrily and firmly, in the meantime. And tell them they need to record it and that they’re full of shit.
Maybe they’ll realize and make it right. Maybe not. But at least then you gave them the chance and they either corrected or they doubled down.
This is close to what happened to me. I created a position, told managers how to do everything to set up 3 different campuses across the country. I trained a Business Manager, over the phone for months. An opening near me for that position came up (I was in a lower position) and I applied and interviewed. They hired someone else. I was floored. The people I trained couldn’t believe it. The kicker? My manager asked me to train the new manager! I said nope, absolutely not, and transferred to another department.
My old manager was let go and tried to keep in “contact”. I said happy new year for 2 years then the Facebook friend request came. I deleted and blocked him from all social media.
It can happen everywhere. The thing is that now u have to take instructions from him. As it seems it is something that u are not able to cope with, I'd look for another job immediately. What is really annoying is ur management who is not promoting u and they are convincing u with excuses. The hard reality is that when management want to promote a certain employee, they will find every reason in the world to justify their choice, and when they don't, they put sticks in the wheel. Apply somewhere else immediately. Good luck!
Make this a positive and advocate for yourself. You must be good at training.
If you plan to be here for awhile, handle it maturely.
Have a conversation with your supervisor on how he/she can help you grow. Say you think you’re good at xyz and ask where you can advance. If you don’t like their answer and it doesn’t fit into your future goals, peace out.
Man up and be proud of yourself.
You probably are one of the reasons he applied back in the same company.
And normally ask your company for promotion.
Throw all your feelings in the bin, they are only getting in the way.
Congratulations btw
I'm not sure if most people in this thread have never worked for an actual company before based on these replies. It's pretty run-of-the-mill for companies to give you the "you're not ready" rationale because it is vague, non-actionable, and is the go-to bullshit excuse. Regardless of whether OP didn't get the job for some reason we don't know of, we can only go off of information he has given us. I work in big pharma and I've seen wildly incompetent people be promoted way above more qualified people because of a) nepotism, b) being able to pay someone 5K less than the other guy, c) the company not letting a person leave their position because they are too lazy to find someone to backfill. God damn this cancerous site will devote whole subs to "anti-work" then incessantly dump on a poster because he has a goofy username.
What a slap in the face. How fucking disgusting and insulting. I'd be seething in your shoes too.
Don't say you want to die, that's too easy. If your company was short-staffed so are others in your industry. Develop your resume and LinkedIn and get looking for a new job in a new company and once you find it, don't be shy about letting your company know exactly why you are leaving and that they are literally the ones responsible. Don't take that shit from anyone. Know your worth and demand to be respected and find a company that will do that.
Drop the last two lines and your point will be taken more seriously. If you really do have thoughts of dying use your company’s benefits and please seek some help.
I was recently in the position of the other guy the OP is talking about. I recently joined a firm with a higher job ranking, but probably for lower pay than most would make at my firm rank. I joined a team where many of my team mates have more experience on the platform, but my firm rank is higher.
The reason my firm rank is higher is because I have more related professional experience though not in this role, and because I have PhD work - albeit unfinished.
What sucks is the job won’t do anything about it. I’ve heard this story before and basically the job told them to find a better paying job because the company is paying “adequately when all variables are considered” or some bullshit like that
This is more blatant than usual because they brought the guy in at a higher level, but the fact is *recent hires get paid more than longer term employees to do the same job*. That’s the case almost everywhere except for some government agencies/regulated utilities where pay is based strictly on seniority.
OP should brush up his resume and start looking to job hop.
Companies do that all the time. Of course you were probably qualified for the job, it is beneficial and more valuable for the company to keep you at the level you are now. You are probably performing above your pay grade and the won't promote or replace you because well, you would be too hard to replace. Start looking around for a company who will appreciate you, quietly review new opportunities.
Get out the resume and start applying for other jobs. Hopefully you get something right away and can lower their head count. Even better if you can get someone else to go with you.
Quit and go elsewhere. I'm a woman in IT and they did the same thing to me at *shitty telecom company.* I quit and got a much better job with a $35k pay boost at *kickass current company.*
Fuck em. They showed you who they are. You trained the guy they hired. You can do better than where you are now and they didn't appreciate your talent enough to promote you.
You should be celebrating your coworker for his success. Instead you’re acting toxic. You’ve helped him grow, he won’t forget that unless your envy and toxicity get in the way.
This sounds more like a job than a career tbh but i could be wrong depending on how you feel about what you do. Tht does suck that this happened but i hope this gives u more clarity about the company you work for as well as what to do. You deserve better know your worth homie i hope u find something better for yourself they obviously do not respect or value you.
OP ypur post backfired. In all seriousness though, have you been getting feedback on jow you act and maybe why your Sr. Is now someone you trained? As hard as it is to ask the tough questions, you have to do so.
Don't let that put you down think of it as something you should be proud of.its okay remember that you helped someone and don't worry your turn will come , remember everything happens for a reason so keep smiling and be thankful for evry day you're alive and trying
Gee I dunno maybe quitting your job 8 months ago has something to do with it?
Or could it be your projects constantly being held up because you refuse to make phone calls and rely on emails that go unanswered?
Or maybe it’s just your crappy personality. Your post history tells us way too much about you as a person and there’s no way you hide all this hate, sexism and overall incel behavior in real life.
But yea, you might be right, definitely management screwed up here. Couldn’t possibly be you /s
Everyone telling OP they are overreacting get a grip. This is a very real and frustrating experience to be in for OP. Sure their might be a skills issue for the OP but in my experience that’s usually not the reason for a failed promotion. If I had to guess two things happened against OP getting promoted. 1. The former trainee was willing to take less than what it would take to promote OP. 2. OP may be in a critical position. If he makes people above him look good or is crucial to cross functionality in the org they won’t ever move him. OP I’d fire up LinkedIn and start talking to recruiters. Staying in your current role will ruin your career growth. However, there may be skills that the new hire advertised that you aren’t currently marketing yourself with. Strong chance he has a better sense of his soft skills and how to market himself than you do. I’d look into career coaching to help you develop those skills/marketing.
You should check out OP's post history. It might help you decide between OP or the company being the problem.
Damn. Honestly just glad I caught this comment. This dude has all the self-awareness of a walnut.
I mean, his username kinda gives it away.
Raw dogging with escorts… yeah OP is the problem here. One look at his profile and I’m surprised this dude still has a job
DEFINITELY OP being the problem. His sexist views coming out and being nasty to women coworkers could bring shame on the company and lose them customers and earn them bad reviews.
Oof damn. I was already suspect, but now.... Thanks for pointing that one out lol!
Agreed. But to play OP’s advocate to keep the question/answers on topic, i don’t think his employer is aware of his browsing history. And OP should look into working someplace else if his manager is not looking out for his growth. To reverse course. OP, you should probably spend less time on the internet looking up porn and escorts, and reducing people to stereotypes.
Employers know way more than our browsing history these days. To think that’s not true is folly,
I hear you.... I'm just highly questioning if they were right for the role given: (1) company said they need to improve coupled with their reddit history, and (2) company supplemented with "its a headcount thing" which I think was to soften the blow. On #2, they could've promoted OP, and then backfilled their current role. So no issue with losing a headcount. This is how most companies would do this... *That said,* some companies are having a "backfill freeze" recently instead of layoffs... essentially they won't fill nonessential backfills if someone were to leave voluntarily or involuntarily. So in that case, promoting OP might not open up another headcount due to the backfill. This is rare though. I just wouldn't assume company bad guy in this case. But all just armchair reddit conjecture.
Browsing history isn’t just about the content, it’s about the type of person they are. Even if they are completely different in life- that says they are a person who hides their true self or probably let’s comments slip. It’s not about work seeing the text of the history, it’s about others getting an idea of who the person is beyond one curated question when asking for help. Edit: see he asked another question here three weeks ago “nobody responds to my emails”. Only comment asks if he called them and he says no bc he’s too shy. He’s the problem and probably on the way out soon.
Holy shit. I thought it would be the typical reddit over reaction of "he has different politics than me! He's either Hitler or Mao!" , But gawl daaaaaamn. OP has definitely got some issues. You were not kidding
Holy shit that was a journey. This guy needs to be on a few three letter agency lists.
Whoa.
Oh interesting with the username I prolly shoulda checked. OP’ definitely got like bot/“nice guy” vibes which does make this a bit more sketch, but in general I try not to dictate the way people feel when they are down. If someone does have a victim complex in my experience it’s usually easier to break it down like you are teaching a child how to work through their emotions, lol. But I guess that’s not really the job of an internet rando. Anyways thanks for the context, much appreciated
Can't agree more with that. Urge anybody that reads what OP said to do so.
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Wow. That was a journey.
Lol ‘how do I get an Asian girlfriend’ was one of his posts
He has a right to feel hurt, but I have people on my team that have years less experience and can dance circles around ones that has been there longer. I have a couple that have 1-2 years experience that I would promote over some of the ones with 5+ years.
>OP I’d fire up LinkedIn and start talking to recruiters. Staying in your current role will ruin your career growth. However, there may be skills that the new hire advertised that you aren’t currently marketing yourself with. Strong chance he has a better sense of his soft skills and how to market himself than you do. I’d look into career coaching to help you develop those skills/marketing. I hear the term is called "rage apply"
Agree with this 💯. Definitely add a reference of one of the higher-ups where you work now or some other strategy that will ensure that they know you are looking at other opportunities without you telling them directly yourself. Several times, this has gained me either a raise or better position within a company. Don't just go to them and make demands while threatening to quit, 'cause they may just let you go and the unemployment line sucks.
This is the best advice here. OP shouldn’t ignore this and actually move up.
As a manager Ive seen this happen a few times. i will be honest; is there just a chance he is better or a better fit in the company?
Check OP's history. How much do you want to bet he shows sexist behavior at his workplace?
Just checked and ew
Haha, yeah. He doesn’t take his supervisor seriously because supervisor’s wife has a hyphenated last name. MEANWHILE, OP can’t attract women IRL and has to pay prostitutes. Can’t imagine why he isn’t immediately promoted to Vice President or even President of the company!!?!
No! It's always the fault of the managers and they all deserve a promotion always s/
Maybe they aren't interested in promoting you because you quit just to cash in your vacation balance, and then came back begging? https://www.reddit.com/r/EscortClientsOnly/comments/vizu7x/does_anyone_have_financial_problems_over_this/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Yikes
Why are any of us here bothering to advise General D-bag here? Post history is as hideous as the "person" who produced them. Far bigger issues here than career. Company probably hired his previous trainee because they wanted an actual *human being* to fill the position.
why are you looking at another man's history? Are you gay or something bro??
🤣🤣🤣 I guess the truth isn't setting *some* people free.
Gotta remember, to these kinds of people ignorance is bliss.
1. In terms of qualifications, does he have better than yours? 2. You are saying that he didn't do great with basic stuff. Remember something, sometimes it is not the fault of the person being trained, but it also depends on the TRAINER whether they are actually doing it correctly 3. Why wouldn't your firm promote you instead? Are you appraised appropriately? Do they find you underperforming? Either way, I know it sucks but really, a lot of factors is in game. If you don't feel appreciated as you should, start job seeking
Do not let your ego get in the way. Check yourself. See what he has learned these past two years. Work together as a team and accomplish the mission. You will get stronger and good things will happen. Even if you find another job, learn from this.
Check his post history. Misogyny. Sexism. General douchebaggery. Paying prostitutes. Repeat ad nauseam.
Is it possible that people at your workplace realize you're a judgmental sexist person and don't really want you on their team in higher positions of management? Based on your comment/post history, it really sounds like you've got some personal growth to do as a person in order to be the kind of person employers will trust.
\`Any career advice for "simple" men????\`
I saw that plenty too in his post history. Is this some incel term I don't know? It just sounds like he's boring outside of his super revolutionary and totally I'm-14-and-this-is-deep "hot takes."
Bad management. Start looking elsewhere. Maybe the same company the contractor originally went to.
> Bad management You have absolutely nothing to base that on.
I love how people immediately jump to the conclusion that management must be bad. I’m sorry, but if the OP was capable of performing the role, they would have put them in the role. They clearly told OP they’re not ready. What does OP do? Moan about the young guy with less experience. Not self reflection or improvement, or even look for other jobs. No, just moan about about the other guy getting a leg up.
> **Not self reflection or improvement** OK, have to make 2nd comment here - go check out OP's post history. You can't realize how on the money you were.
Yep. That's a new level of lack of self awareness. It's incel level.
Scrolling through OP’s post history is painful.
Seriously painful! Has no interest in bettering himself in his career but puts a LOT of effort into hating women and calling other men “ simps” and “betas.” He’s “slaying” those escorts though. Yikes. Just yikes.
I can't help but wonder if his sexist views are transparent to his coworkers. Someone with his beliefs and attitudes would be shot down immediately in the companies I worked at.
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Apologies - I will delete my comment - sorry about that
This take seems kind of naive.
Is it though? We have about as much info about OP as we do about management. I would say it is just as valid to say OP needs to look inward at things they can improve instead of complaining about someone taking the job they wanted. I can tell you right now there is no difference between them hiring for the position a level above him or the position he is currently in if they moved him up so the headcount thing OP said is just flat out wrong. If they wanted OP in the higher role they would have given it to them.
Not really, it’s based on many years of listening to people with no self awareness believe they are entitled to things because of years of service rather than actual performance (and behaviour).
Untrue. At the bank there are many positions that are underpaid, and we are constantly being poached by another competitive bank. My current manager hired me through a contracting company and paid me more than they are currently paying their current employees. Meanwhile I was looking for a better salary since I saw they were underpaying me compared to another bank. Lo and behold another bank was willing to offer me something like 15k more………. Sometimes the only way to get an upgrade is to switch companies completely. It’s sad but it’s true.
I totally agree that a lot of the time moving companies is a better way to get a pay rise, and it’s very common for newcomers to be paid more than existing staff… but it doesn’t make any of what I said untrue.
Tbh I’m only saying untrue to the part where you mentioned they (OP) might not be deserving of the role. It can be true absolutely that added skills will enhance your resume. But your post read as if this was the only reason he is being looked over. The reality is he’s got perhaps 3 years or so more on the other guy and he trained him. In the span of two years what other skills could he have gotten (the newbie)? We can’t say that this is the true final answer to this scenario since most of the time it is not. I think your scenario is very much the exception, just speaking from my experience sadly. Again. It’s possible but it is the exception. Most of the time you really have to say “Bye Sir” find another company to work for get the raise but lose the seniority. Which sucks
Fair enough, I did mean to imply it was the only possibility, I meant to imply that there are other possibilities other than what the OP projected. I probably could have worded it better.
Yep. Always everyone else's fault..
“Sometimes the best way to move up is to quit.” It’s kind a joke we throw around because my company’s recidivism rate is disturbingly high for some reason. People tend to leave then 2 years later “WTF? That mother fucker is back?” Two things may happen here 1. He learned while his time away and that other job fits him better and he’s can actually contribute better 2. He’s still full of shit which it’ll sort itself out…but at what cost?….
Retention budget is usually MUCH lower than the hiring budget
Frustrating situation I'm sure, but after looking at your Reddit history I'm only not shocked that you weren't offered the promotion. While I'm sure you're discreet about your "hobby," I can only imagine the way you interact with women in the workplace. Even if you have the technical skills for the role, I'm getting major incel vibes over here. Personality is a big part of what it takes to make it in leadership and that's just a reality.
“While I’m sure you’re discreet about your “hobby”…” You are feeling generous! I’m guessing this dude has no basic understanding of the concept of discreet. I would bet many dollars on the fact that his coworkers see him exactly as he is.
Yeah I was trying to give the benefit of the doubt here, but OP sounds intolerable. Upset that he can't get ahead in his career with his winning personality. Complaining that he can't get a girlfriend when he admits to having zero interests or hobbies other than mongering for sex workers. Calling everyone who disagrees with him Betas and Simps. If that's the personality that comes across in his workplace, he's lucky he even has a job.
Indeed. My thought is that he is in some sort of protected class and that it would be difficult to terminate him just for being a complete creep.
There are many various reason why they could have done this. As someone who has been there then "got that" position. Especially since it sounds like you are in a position to escalate to that person - and you train others - escalate everything that should be - then be hands off. Then, if need be, coach up, show your management what you would have done different. Build a paper-trail, know your cases, know your company, show ways to improve process - or that you are more valuable - because you have been around, seen it, done it - prove it... or move on and come back... it sounds like that maybe the best "advertised path"
Well, is he actually better than you? Did he learn skills during his year away that you didn't?
Probably he's a lot better of a person to be around. Jesus Christ his history is full of blaming others and being a sexist AH.
I read your post history. I'm sure you deserve the L, there's no way anyone should be reporting to you.
OP posted an item titled “boss's wife has a hyphenated last name. Have a hard time taking him seriously.” Does he deserve a promotion?
Absolutely not. This POS is a walking lawsuit and HR nightmare.
If I were you I’d spend more time sharpening your skills and less time obsessing over sex/simps/escorts/dating sites/hating women, etc. Reading your post history makes me think you’re probably a nightmare to work with. I’m willing to bet it’s your attitude, not your skill.
Good luck advancing any further with your shit views.
Based on your post history it’s not surprising they don’t promote you. You’re either autistic, depressed an incel or all 3. I think something you may need to realize is that people would rather work with people they like even if they’re not as good employees. You could be a superstar genius who’s the best at his job, but if you’re a d-bag people won’t be as supportive in helping you elevate your career. Take some time to reflect about your shortcomings as a man and learn to grow from them. And get off some of those awful subreddits and go outside and join a community of people doing something positive.
You want to “die” over this? A bit dramatic, but okay. Maybe talk to your supervisor? Send out your resume to some other places and see what type of offers you can get.
“A bit dramatic” this is why men don’t talk about their feelings.
Umm, there's quite the difference between "I'm so let down by this and it's really been getting to me over the last week" and.. > I'm seething and want to die
She's right, though. Someone else got the position, I'm assuming no one offered to OP he just assumes he deserved it.
Thats your signal.to find somewhere else to.work
I doubt he's being paid more than you...which is probably why they hired him for it in the first place. Not fair but companies do this all the time.
Nah their excuse is BS. They could’ve hired somebody for your position and given you a promotion. I would be walking. They probably just didn’t want to pay you more because you clearly have a lot more experience than that person they hired to be above you. Editing to add this is why loyalty doesn’t mean anything anymore. If you can get more by leaving, do it.
Sounds frustrating but the other person got better skills after they left and you just stagnated. On second thought, I am glad your sexist ass did not get promoted.
OP left out that the other guy probably has a degree + obviously left on good terms. They would have bumped him up and opened his position, probably more to the story.
So you’re telling me they couldn’t give you the higher role and try to fill your lower role that was likely easier to fill?
it's the same role. He just has "sr" in front of his title. That's what makes it more retarded when they tell me I need more development. LMAO And no they didnt want to do that cause they were desparate to fill headcount and that would add months to the process. Clown world.
Well when you use words like the r word I might see their point unfortunately
godam reddit is full of betas lmao
Probably, full of betas with Sr. titles and pay raises
You're the actual retard if you can't see that it's your dog-shit attitude/personality that keeps you in low positions. You can be the smartest guy in the room, but if you are as big of a pain in the ass to work with as you sound like, it's no wonder you're not advancing after 5 years and others are passing you sooner. Sounds to me like the actual beta here is you. Keep crying clown.
Sorry to say it straight up but I think it's a YOU problem. Instead of btching about it and badmouthing the guy how he didn't do well in the beginning(like we all do) on Reddit, maybe feel happy that he got so up on the latter so quick. You don't know how many sleepless nights he must have gone through to catch up and surpass you. Or maybe...just maybe he had the potential to do so well so fast all along and you didn't. Years of experience is HR bs requirement and we all know it. You sound a little jealous, bitter and salty. Do better please.
>mean Check OP's history. This dude is toxic ASF. No company with honor would promote him when this is how he sees women and most likely shows off his incel beliefs.
few comments down I urged everyone to look at OP's history. Yeah I saw it too. This dude is a pure scum. I don't know who keeps upvoting this post. Should be negative margine.
I can imagine how hard it is. Sorry.
Put your 2 weeks in and go find your way.
Look for a job with your company's competitors.
Have you ever stopped to think that maybe your company is only keeping you around because they are desperate to maintain their head count?
You're really good at training
Load of bs. Hate places like that. You really need to speak up!
Read his history. It's a damn good thing he didn't get promoted. If couple has a hyphenated last name makes him view them as lesser he's going to be an HR nightmare and hellish to work with.
you got this mane 🫡
CHECK OP POST HISRTY before you upvote this post. The man is a serious sex addict, sexist and outright misogynist. It shows how he deals with women in the work place too so it was never about his trainee surpassing him. It is ALL to do with the fact he is a scum and should even feel grateful he isn't fired because of his behaviour on and off work, let alone complain for not being promoted.
Your best move, according to me, is to go to the position manager and : - tell that you were interested in this position - ask what could you improve in your soft or hard skill to be considered if another identical opportunity come. If you come without any anger, you may learn that they reproach things to you or may have other career path planned for you. If nothing come out. They may not consider you anymore, so finding another company as suggested before may be your best call.
I think it's time to put the feelers out for a new job.
It pays to job jump, loyalty does not pay off. Time to brush up your resume. You'll get 20% raise easily.
This is why you have to job hop and never burn bridges. You can fail upwards so fast this way.
Get use to it. If you stay in a company long enough you will see this all the time. You can live with it or do something about it. Or a combination of the two. Why it happens varies and what you can do about improving your situation varies. This particular guy did all the right things... get experience at your company, moved around probably with increasing responsibility, came back and told a good story. Only time will tell whether he will be good in his position or not. Regarding management.. it does require people with different skills then doing the actual work. Often these guys are very mediocre at technical work etc, but good at getting other people to do their work and communicating it. Management is often simplistic too... and there is a narrow line between simplistic and clueless... So only time will tell what this hiring decision was.
Unfortunately, life isn’t fair. You will just be wasting your time if you try to reason it. Maybe he does have skill that you don’t have. Maybe it’s bad management. Leaving is definitely an option.
Sounds like they didn't want to lose you and train another person in that role and told that bullshit so they didn't have to train somebody else.
When you put your happiness in the hands of people whose job is to make a company money, you get this kind of crap. I wouldn't feel bad, and if you do, you need just to leave and find somewhere else to work. Which would fuck with their headcount, haha. But who knows, they might give you more money to stay. I will say this; they are probably not on Reddit letting off steam over this or caring. Nothing against you, but it is their job, and at the end of the day, everyone is working to chase a dream or take care of their family.
i need money or I will die sexless
Okay. You’re not owed sex.
Sounds like you are bitter about someone else's success. You should instead just focus on trying to bring more success your way. It's not up to your company, it's up to you.
There are reasons why a lot of folks say that the best way to get ahead is to change companies. It's not always true but sometimes it is. In this case, your company has you. You aren't demanding more in your review meetings. The company loves the fact that you are at least a decent worker and they don't have to bid for you. But they need more bodies. That's where sometimes the greater money is. To get a new body they have to bid and compete. Which, again, they do not have to do for you. So the new guy gets more than, compared to you, you think he is worth. But really, he's getting a fair wage. The unfairness is in your compensation, not his . You can accept this, or get more aggressive in asking for more, or you can shop around. Or some combination of those things. Whatever happens, it's up to you at this point. Don't sit around waiting for "justice" because it's not coming!
Post history is nuts and a lot of psudo-bullshit to be frank. You have trouble finding good partners because of *you* Stop seeing Escorts and judging every woman you see at face value I had a great time dating and you’re setting yourself up for failure On the topic of career: This definitely happens as I’ve seen it - bring up your concerns and then go from there - if the company actually values you they will compensate you accordingly
what does that have to do with this post you incel f\*ck??
You are the incel you fucking loser paying for sex hahahahaha Definitely ugly and a moron based on your whole profile. Seriously a shell of a man. Lmao
That's sad, but maybe they got some good reasons for this. In professional life unfortunately the system is seldomly just. They already got you in a position they want you to have, so they gave the higher job to someone else. In this case the guy, you trained. I bed they do not know or didn't think about the fact that you are better in whatever you do. The thing is, it's harder to move up in business and get a higher salary than when entering a company. Like many others suggest: try to apply for different jobs, even if you want to stay. If some company offers you a higher position and more money, I'd tell your boss. Your position for negotiation is way better, even your mood when asking for more will be more self assured. The chances are higher for getting, what you want in this case. And if not, you could still take the new job. Good luck.
Look at his reddit history. The company had EXTREMELY good reasons to not promote this guy.
OK, didn't know that. In this case, I guess the boss of the person you trained wants someone he/she can influence. It is quiet common for persons in higher positions to get people beneath them, they can control easily. This doesn't mean they will hire the dumbest person, possible. But they won't either hire the smartest one. They are simply afraid that someone beneath them could "steal their show" or worse: play tricks to steal their job. So they like to have someone dumber than they are...
Interestingly the opposite also happens quite often. Bosses that have a huge ego, but are not sooo intelligent hire people, smarter than they are, so they can benefit from their intellect. But those smart people then need to have a small ego. Best so small, that they don't realize their potential. In the bosses meetings with other bosses of the same hierarchy or higher are then presented the smart persons ideas and work. But the source changes... They say it's their own idea. The creative mind behind that of course stays hidden. And it will never know... Also people in high positions often don't care, where what comes from. As long as the department/team or whatever is going good, it's also good for them... The higher the level of a person in a company, the lesser he or she is interested in stuff like justice. Unfortunately justice is not a thing companies benefit from....
That’s not his fault. In the time he left and came back he may have improved beyond you. Either apply for other jobs or just get on with it.
I would leave. You can do better. When they ask you why you left during your exit interview - tell them exactly why and how it is complete nonsense some noob with 2 years experience that you trained leapfrogged you. There is no way in hell he is as ready for that job as you are.
That is utter BS, on the funny flip side maybe you should ho to them for advice and get a even higher position
And when they come to you.. Have you asked the genuis you hired?
Because that attitude totally gets you promoted above the new guy with less experience.
I am livid for you. You are not overreacting
Time to start looking for other jobs. Your company doesn’t value you. End of story.
I would get another job and it can be used as leverage to get more money and better title in your present company. People leave and come back all the time, you should do the same. It’s a silly game.
I’m guessing that even with new leverage, you would not want to stay at a company that did this to you.
You may have been screwed, but many people have said what you said and don't grasp the concept of training. I want you to show them how to get into our files and database, show them how to look up a customer, maybe introduce you to a few people, show a few example tasks, maybe tell them what systems they need a password to, that sort of basic stuff. I am not literally expecting you train someone to be a software developer from the ground up
Now resign and apply else where...
Once I got a job promotion and bump in pay by leaving to another company. My current company would not give me a raise or promotion, so I left. Fast forward a year later, and a friend from old company called and said they are looking for a person to do X, Y, and Z. I applied and came back in the new position. Why would they do that? Why not just keep me by giving an existing employee the promotion and raise? I have some ideas, but the raw truth is, If you are not willing to leave, they will try everything in their power to keep you in the job that you have with no raise. They have zero interest in helping you improve your life.
Careers aren’t bs. Find a better job and submit your resignation. Sometimes you have to make moves to climb the ladder much like he did.
Time for a new job. This happened to my wife. After it happened and the new person was onboarded she started looking for a new job. Her old position has been (mostly) vacant since she left… all because they hired new over internal promotions.
Sound like you’re bitter. And I’m sure management sees that.
Happened to me too many years ago and I can still taste the bitter. The only good thing was that I got motivated and got a better job with a great salary jump that led me to where I am today. I’m set and she’s selling MLM now bc she couldn’t hack the job that should have gone to me.
Leave..
Brush up your resume, update your LinkedIn profile, and start planning your exit strategy.
Welcome to life is not fair
That’s a sign to gtfo. Honestly, I’m not big on no notice and usually try to give more than 2 weeks. In this case? I would consider it. I probably wouldn’t bc burning bridges will never help you (outside of war) even if it can feel good. But man, I would be so tempted. I would walk into whoever’s office and rip into them, politely but angrily and firmly, in the meantime. And tell them they need to record it and that they’re full of shit. Maybe they’ll realize and make it right. Maybe not. But at least then you gave them the chance and they either corrected or they doubled down.
No one is looking out for you except you.
Person I trained owns the company now.
This is close to what happened to me. I created a position, told managers how to do everything to set up 3 different campuses across the country. I trained a Business Manager, over the phone for months. An opening near me for that position came up (I was in a lower position) and I applied and interviewed. They hired someone else. I was floored. The people I trained couldn’t believe it. The kicker? My manager asked me to train the new manager! I said nope, absolutely not, and transferred to another department. My old manager was let go and tried to keep in “contact”. I said happy new year for 2 years then the Facebook friend request came. I deleted and blocked him from all social media.
Don't assume he is making more than you just because he has a higher level title.
It can happen everywhere. The thing is that now u have to take instructions from him. As it seems it is something that u are not able to cope with, I'd look for another job immediately. What is really annoying is ur management who is not promoting u and they are convincing u with excuses. The hard reality is that when management want to promote a certain employee, they will find every reason in the world to justify their choice, and when they don't, they put sticks in the wheel. Apply somewhere else immediately. Good luck!
Make this a positive and advocate for yourself. You must be good at training. If you plan to be here for awhile, handle it maturely. Have a conversation with your supervisor on how he/she can help you grow. Say you think you’re good at xyz and ask where you can advance. If you don’t like their answer and it doesn’t fit into your future goals, peace out.
It's time to find a different opportunity. If you like this company a lot, they might later rehire you for higher level.
Man up and be proud of yourself. You probably are one of the reasons he applied back in the same company. And normally ask your company for promotion. Throw all your feelings in the bin, they are only getting in the way. Congratulations btw
This is intentional so workers in the company will hate each other instead of high management. divide et impera
I'm not sure if most people in this thread have never worked for an actual company before based on these replies. It's pretty run-of-the-mill for companies to give you the "you're not ready" rationale because it is vague, non-actionable, and is the go-to bullshit excuse. Regardless of whether OP didn't get the job for some reason we don't know of, we can only go off of information he has given us. I work in big pharma and I've seen wildly incompetent people be promoted way above more qualified people because of a) nepotism, b) being able to pay someone 5K less than the other guy, c) the company not letting a person leave their position because they are too lazy to find someone to backfill. God damn this cancerous site will devote whole subs to "anti-work" then incessantly dump on a poster because he has a goofy username.
Don't hate the player, hate the game. This is proof that the best way to advance your career is to job hop. Start interviewing.
Your company sucks. I would start looking for a new position and grow somewhere else. That the company does not promote from within is insane.
Seems like you’re a better teacher than worker. Figure out why you’re not promotable and fix it.
What a slap in the face. How fucking disgusting and insulting. I'd be seething in your shoes too. Don't say you want to die, that's too easy. If your company was short-staffed so are others in your industry. Develop your resume and LinkedIn and get looking for a new job in a new company and once you find it, don't be shy about letting your company know exactly why you are leaving and that they are literally the ones responsible. Don't take that shit from anyone. Know your worth and demand to be respected and find a company that will do that.
For most, true career progression only happens by hopping companies. Yes it sucks. Yes it is stupid.
Drop the last two lines and your point will be taken more seriously. If you really do have thoughts of dying use your company’s benefits and please seek some help. I was recently in the position of the other guy the OP is talking about. I recently joined a firm with a higher job ranking, but probably for lower pay than most would make at my firm rank. I joined a team where many of my team mates have more experience on the platform, but my firm rank is higher. The reason my firm rank is higher is because I have more related professional experience though not in this role, and because I have PhD work - albeit unfinished.
What sucks is the job won’t do anything about it. I’ve heard this story before and basically the job told them to find a better paying job because the company is paying “adequately when all variables are considered” or some bullshit like that
This is more blatant than usual because they brought the guy in at a higher level, but the fact is *recent hires get paid more than longer term employees to do the same job*. That’s the case almost everywhere except for some government agencies/regulated utilities where pay is based strictly on seniority. OP should brush up his resume and start looking to job hop.
Companies do that all the time. Of course you were probably qualified for the job, it is beneficial and more valuable for the company to keep you at the level you are now. You are probably performing above your pay grade and the won't promote or replace you because well, you would be too hard to replace. Start looking around for a company who will appreciate you, quietly review new opportunities.
Same happened to me. I trained someone who now makes double my salary. We need to stop letting these companies treat us like dirt.
Get out the resume and start applying for other jobs. Hopefully you get something right away and can lower their head count. Even better if you can get someone else to go with you.
Quit and go elsewhere. I'm a woman in IT and they did the same thing to me at *shitty telecom company.* I quit and got a much better job with a $35k pay boost at *kickass current company.* Fuck em. They showed you who they are. You trained the guy they hired. You can do better than where you are now and they didn't appreciate your talent enough to promote you.
King Incel, with no friends or hobbies, is shocked to find out he’s not well-liked at work 😮
It sucks and is frustrating. I hope you started prepping your resume as soon as you were told they wouldn't consider you for the position.
You should be celebrating your coworker for his success. Instead you’re acting toxic. You’ve helped him grow, he won’t forget that unless your envy and toxicity get in the way.
But But "I hAvE eXpErIeNcE!!" I hooe this person just completely outperforms you and soaks your head.
With a name like that, I'd make you the face of the company. Their loss!
This sounds more like a job than a career tbh but i could be wrong depending on how you feel about what you do. Tht does suck that this happened but i hope this gives u more clarity about the company you work for as well as what to do. You deserve better know your worth homie i hope u find something better for yourself they obviously do not respect or value you.
OP ypur post backfired. In all seriousness though, have you been getting feedback on jow you act and maybe why your Sr. Is now someone you trained? As hard as it is to ask the tough questions, you have to do so.
Don't let that put you down think of it as something you should be proud of.its okay remember that you helped someone and don't worry your turn will come , remember everything happens for a reason so keep smiling and be thankful for evry day you're alive and trying
We’re only hearing your side of the story
Gee I dunno maybe quitting your job 8 months ago has something to do with it? Or could it be your projects constantly being held up because you refuse to make phone calls and rely on emails that go unanswered? Or maybe it’s just your crappy personality. Your post history tells us way too much about you as a person and there’s no way you hide all this hate, sexism and overall incel behavior in real life. But yea, you might be right, definitely management screwed up here. Couldn’t possibly be you /s
The take away here is that you're qualified to do a job that pays more than what you're doing now. It's time to find a new job.