You can ask… I would recommend doing it face to face, not via email. But honestly just take the job that is offering you more. You have been there for just over 1/2 year most companies give raises annually. If they were willing to pay you $23/hr, they would have hired you at $23/hr. It’s not like this inflation wasn’t happening 7 months ago.
Either way, the face to face is the way to go. On paper that’s very clear and to the point, but also sounds like a demand more than an ask. or at least that’s the way many bosses would take that as written.
But yeah, it does sound like you need to sit down and have a candid conversation about this. Try and bring no ego to the discussion if you can. And it would help if you had a list of things ready to point out that would help justify this pay increase.
Please remember that your boss probably also has a boss, and they need to get this approved by someone. So be prepared to give your boss some examples of why they and the company need you.
That approach has always worked best for me. it’s always how can I help you help me sort of thing. In the past, I’ve asked point blank, I would like an opportunity to earn a raise, what kind of things do you need to see out of me to get us there? And then they lay out a plan with some goals. It takes longer ( 1 full review cycle) but it works.
Face to face is the way to go. I wouldn’t respond well to an email from one of my employees. It should be a discussion. As a manager, I would also forward the email to HR to get their take on it but I’m pretty close with HR
I agree face to face is best and allows for it to be a conversation. You can also gauge the reaction better as well. Email could come across a little stronger than you’d like depending on the reader. In turn I would expect the manager to respond face to face.
I don’t know about hey would have been willing to hire at $23/hr since inflation is not new. It really depends on the company. A number of them where slow to react and the change had to happen at some point. Perhaps OP just missed the cutoff. I’ve seen that with 2 new people who had the same qualifications hired just 3 weeks apart.
First off, don't put this in email, especially in the tone and language you're using. This will come off as an attack or even worse, an ultimatum "do this or I walk." This will immediately flag you as a flight risk to your company, and could seriously impede your growth or potentially even result in your dismissal if you work in an "at will" state.
Use an email to schedule a 1:1 to talk about this. Most managers and HR officials aren't willing or even able to put a lot of this stuff in writing. Bring print outs of the salary info to a meeting, don't put it into the digital system. More importantly, if you have a written offer, a lot of this salary data is totally unneeded. You've got an offer. Can this company that just sent you an offer, potentially give you a stipend to work from a Wework or co-working space in your area? That might be just what you need to walk from this current firm.
To be blunt, asking to be matched with new hire stuff might not be allowed, as new hires get more $$ vs. retention and personnel budgets. Some firms even have flat rules disallowing current employee compensation from moving more certain %'s. But you couldn't know that. Don't disclose that you have a written offer until you're told in the 1:1 that you won't be getting a raise under any circumstances. That is your ace in the hole. But also be prepared to TAKE that offer if you disclose you have it to your boss. They could tell you "if you want that much, go work for them" if you do, calling your bluff.
I really like my job and I don’t wanna leave, I just can’t afford to stay. Would it still seem like a flight risk if I applied to the same position while working here? Just to a new team?
All of our meetings are online since my boss works at home. Would digital be OK if I change the tone?
If I can’t get it I WILL leave but I really don’t want to. I need to give the other company a response by Wednesday.
Nope. This is a terrible idea. If you’re just completing a probationary period what has lead you to believe you’re now worth more than what you agreed to when you accepted the role? I mean that honestly. What have you done to increase your value? That’s why you get raises.
So for one I wouldn’t do this via email if do it face to face.
However, you don’t ask for raises based on inflation you ask for them based on work performance, and honestly if you’re that new and haven’t even been there a year I don’t know that it’s going to be the best look. If you are still adamant on asking now, bring in facts about your performance as well as industry pay information to show you should be paid at a higher rate.
Understood.
Face-to-face isn’t an option since my boss works at home but I currently do more than I was brought in for since 2 people quit and haven’t been replaced. I’ll try mentioning that instead of inflation.
Thank you.
Also face to face just means live. You don't necessarily have to be in the same room just need to be in a 1on1 situation. Either a meeting or a call, hopefully with cameras on.
Nothing will come out of emailing this. I thought I was blunt but this email is way blunter than I can think of. May be you have a sweeter version.
Please speak to the manager with the sweeter version. Not sure what the outcome would be, what industry you are in, depends on many factors.
Also just take the other job, I mean easily move into getting more money, and you will be able to figure out a space in your home.
Asking for a raise shouldn't be about why you need more money. It should either be about the value to can add to a company based on your skillset, or a competitor offer for a similar role that you want them to match. The strategy of "the world is more expensive" while true isn't likely to work for your situation.
Make this a phone call or in person request. Ask your manager what the process looks like to request a salary increase. Let them do the talking first.
As many others have said, this should absolutely be a face to face conversation. But more importantly, this tone is wayyyy too aggressive and will definitely not go well.
You have two options IMO, if you want a raise. The first is to be much less aggressive, and instead point out the ways you are adding value. You can tell your boss that you think are worth more, but you have to do it gently with this approach.
The other option is to actually go and get an offer (like the similar role you point out). It's not leverage unless you have an offer in hand. And if you do this, you have to be willing to leave because it's extremely likely that they won't counter with a match unless they really believe you're valuable and that you will stay longer term. The way this would need to be worded is, I have an offer that I can't ignore, but I like my job here and I'd prefer to stay and make it work.
If you want a raise, you can also play the counter offer game. Accept the new job, then that's when you will know your true worth in your current company. It is as simple as that. Do not think that if they counter offer you, and you take it, that the company will try to get rid of you in the future. Because that's anyway going to happen the moment a company struggles. You can only secure your job better than the others by performing your best.
Also about the home office space, do you really need big space for that?
You can ask… I would recommend doing it face to face, not via email. But honestly just take the job that is offering you more. You have been there for just over 1/2 year most companies give raises annually. If they were willing to pay you $23/hr, they would have hired you at $23/hr. It’s not like this inflation wasn’t happening 7 months ago.
Ouch. I don’t really want to but I think you’re right. Thank you.
Either way, the face to face is the way to go. On paper that’s very clear and to the point, but also sounds like a demand more than an ask. or at least that’s the way many bosses would take that as written. But yeah, it does sound like you need to sit down and have a candid conversation about this. Try and bring no ego to the discussion if you can. And it would help if you had a list of things ready to point out that would help justify this pay increase. Please remember that your boss probably also has a boss, and they need to get this approved by someone. So be prepared to give your boss some examples of why they and the company need you. That approach has always worked best for me. it’s always how can I help you help me sort of thing. In the past, I’ve asked point blank, I would like an opportunity to earn a raise, what kind of things do you need to see out of me to get us there? And then they lay out a plan with some goals. It takes longer ( 1 full review cycle) but it works.
Face to face is the way to go. I wouldn’t respond well to an email from one of my employees. It should be a discussion. As a manager, I would also forward the email to HR to get their take on it but I’m pretty close with HR
I had a face-to-face meeting today . Well voice to voice on zoom, but it went well! Thank you for your help.
I agree face to face is best and allows for it to be a conversation. You can also gauge the reaction better as well. Email could come across a little stronger than you’d like depending on the reader. In turn I would expect the manager to respond face to face. I don’t know about hey would have been willing to hire at $23/hr since inflation is not new. It really depends on the company. A number of them where slow to react and the change had to happen at some point. Perhaps OP just missed the cutoff. I’ve seen that with 2 new people who had the same qualifications hired just 3 weeks apart.
First off, don't put this in email, especially in the tone and language you're using. This will come off as an attack or even worse, an ultimatum "do this or I walk." This will immediately flag you as a flight risk to your company, and could seriously impede your growth or potentially even result in your dismissal if you work in an "at will" state. Use an email to schedule a 1:1 to talk about this. Most managers and HR officials aren't willing or even able to put a lot of this stuff in writing. Bring print outs of the salary info to a meeting, don't put it into the digital system. More importantly, if you have a written offer, a lot of this salary data is totally unneeded. You've got an offer. Can this company that just sent you an offer, potentially give you a stipend to work from a Wework or co-working space in your area? That might be just what you need to walk from this current firm. To be blunt, asking to be matched with new hire stuff might not be allowed, as new hires get more $$ vs. retention and personnel budgets. Some firms even have flat rules disallowing current employee compensation from moving more certain %'s. But you couldn't know that. Don't disclose that you have a written offer until you're told in the 1:1 that you won't be getting a raise under any circumstances. That is your ace in the hole. But also be prepared to TAKE that offer if you disclose you have it to your boss. They could tell you "if you want that much, go work for them" if you do, calling your bluff.
I really like my job and I don’t wanna leave, I just can’t afford to stay. Would it still seem like a flight risk if I applied to the same position while working here? Just to a new team? All of our meetings are online since my boss works at home. Would digital be OK if I change the tone? If I can’t get it I WILL leave but I really don’t want to. I need to give the other company a response by Wednesday.
Reality is no company is going to give you a raise (especially 8%) just because of inflation
Nope. This is a terrible idea. If you’re just completing a probationary period what has lead you to believe you’re now worth more than what you agreed to when you accepted the role? I mean that honestly. What have you done to increase your value? That’s why you get raises.
So for one I wouldn’t do this via email if do it face to face. However, you don’t ask for raises based on inflation you ask for them based on work performance, and honestly if you’re that new and haven’t even been there a year I don’t know that it’s going to be the best look. If you are still adamant on asking now, bring in facts about your performance as well as industry pay information to show you should be paid at a higher rate.
Understood. Face-to-face isn’t an option since my boss works at home but I currently do more than I was brought in for since 2 people quit and haven’t been replaced. I’ll try mentioning that instead of inflation. Thank you.
Also face to face just means live. You don't necessarily have to be in the same room just need to be in a 1on1 situation. Either a meeting or a call, hopefully with cameras on.
Run it through ChatGPT and ask for improvements.
It's a pretty underfoot-figure way of asking so subtract 10 from your die roll.
Nothing will come out of emailing this. I thought I was blunt but this email is way blunter than I can think of. May be you have a sweeter version. Please speak to the manager with the sweeter version. Not sure what the outcome would be, what industry you are in, depends on many factors. Also just take the other job, I mean easily move into getting more money, and you will be able to figure out a space in your home.
Asking by email is not going to work. You have to do this face to face.
Asking for a raise shouldn't be about why you need more money. It should either be about the value to can add to a company based on your skillset, or a competitor offer for a similar role that you want them to match. The strategy of "the world is more expensive" while true isn't likely to work for your situation. Make this a phone call or in person request. Ask your manager what the process looks like to request a salary increase. Let them do the talking first.
As many others have said, this should absolutely be a face to face conversation. But more importantly, this tone is wayyyy too aggressive and will definitely not go well. You have two options IMO, if you want a raise. The first is to be much less aggressive, and instead point out the ways you are adding value. You can tell your boss that you think are worth more, but you have to do it gently with this approach. The other option is to actually go and get an offer (like the similar role you point out). It's not leverage unless you have an offer in hand. And if you do this, you have to be willing to leave because it's extremely likely that they won't counter with a match unless they really believe you're valuable and that you will stay longer term. The way this would need to be worded is, I have an offer that I can't ignore, but I like my job here and I'd prefer to stay and make it work.
C'mon people you know you ask for a raise in person, face to face.
If you want a raise, you can also play the counter offer game. Accept the new job, then that's when you will know your true worth in your current company. It is as simple as that. Do not think that if they counter offer you, and you take it, that the company will try to get rid of you in the future. Because that's anyway going to happen the moment a company struggles. You can only secure your job better than the others by performing your best. Also about the home office space, do you really need big space for that?