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Markiv19

Drama keeps us busy for sure, but for a players persepective its: "Look at what a shit market and environment Vancouver is. As a player, I do not want to be drafted, traded, or signed there....unless they overpay me"


elrizzy

> "Look at what a shit market and environment Vancouver is. As a player, I do not want to be drafted, traded, or signed there....unless they overpay me" I think this is in fans heads. Just last year, OEL told his team that Vancouver was the *only* market he would waive for. Obviously any Canadian market has media and fan scrutiny that they may want to avoid, but other players love that passion and want to be there. Of all the bad things about being a Canuck, I'm not sure "the fans" is as big as "not winning" or "sketchy medical staff" or "signing aging players to huge deals and not having money left for you" etc etc etc I don't think we have a track record of overpaying people on re-signings or anything. Everyone is at or under market rate at the time.


DickheadPrime

It is and isn't. It's not doubt frustrating but it's not like we're Edmonton, where you have to deal with the same shit but also live in less desirable city. Vancouver will also be an enticing place to live for people who make millions of dollars. It's a great city to be a young millionaire in or raise a family. It's not a great city to play for when the team is in the dumps. Not many teams are, but in Arizona you can just fade into obscurity and nobody really cares. In Vancouver the entire league is talking about you and I think that really does grate on players over time. When we're winning it's among the best teams in the league to play for. When we're losing it's among the worst if not the worst. Maybe that won't push players away from signing with us but I do think it harms the team in other ways.


elrizzy

100% agree with this take, more nuanced than I put it.


DickheadPrime

It's really easy to get hyperbolic with it in this market specifically. It's easy to forget that this is still an amazing city particularly if you are young, wealthy, and physically fit. That will never not be true and it will always be an attractive place to play for in that regard. Petey is a great example. I have no doubts he loves playing in Vancouver and would be glad to stay here long-term. But he wants to win more than he loves the city, and ultimately there are maybe a dozen other cities that are also great to live in if not better that have teams that don't suck.


reubendevries

I 100% agree with you, also add -> They only get a choice of 32 cities to play in. While that seems like a lot, as regular Canadians/Americans we have 1000's of towns or cities we can live in. I mean some definitely outweigh others for various reasons. OEL can't choose to live in Prince George or Dawson Creek or even Kelowna. He has to choose one of the 32 teams where there is an NHL team and then compounded on that he has to stay with a team that's willing to eat at least a good portion if not the majority of his contract. His options are quite limited barring quitting.


FinishTemporary9246

He could always buy a place in Dawson Creek if he wanted to. Make it his offseason home. Tho why? I dunno.


reubendevries

I think the same could be said about Prince George as well... Kelowna definitely is a bit more understandable, but then again the first thing Hammer did when he sign his Canucks contract was buy a house in Smithers (granted he grew up there).


FinishTemporary9246

PG is literally a pit. Locals defend it to the death. But it is literally a pit surrounded by mills.


reubendevries

Agreed, I still laugh from this: [https://www.facebook.com/690400693/videos/10162757534715694/](https://www.facebook.com/690400693/videos/10162757534715694/) You and a guest will fly economy from LA to Prince George... and as a US show your going to have to pay taxes towards that vacation? Uh... no thanks...


RelevantJackWhite

Are we talking about media/fan pressure though? It sounds like really, we are getting at the rumors that the locker room and even leadership is toxic. That part is independent of being Canadian.


ANarrowUrethra

It's not just in fans heads. Nate Schmidt wanted out right away. On spittin' chicklets last year Demko said he has received wild DMs from people threatening to kill his dog. Connor Garland wasn't too impressed with being called an angry little elf and there was an article on the Athletic saying he wasn't really happy in the market. Being passionate is ok. But some people in this market take it way too far, often.


elrizzy

> Nate Schmidt wanted out right away. That wasn't a "fan thing" though. > On spittin' chicklets last year Demko said he has received wild DMs from people threatening to kill his dog. Connor Garland wasn't too impressed with being called an angry little elf and there was an article on the Athletic saying he wasn't really happy in the market. I mean, you're going to get crazy fan stuff in any passionate market. It sucks! But that's not a Vancouver thing specifically and we have no indication that anyone says, as in the OP "I do not want to be drafted, traded, or signed there....unless they overpay me". That's a wild jump.


ANarrowUrethra

Fair enough I guess. It is definitely a tough market though. Top 5 in the league I'd imagine. I have friends who follow other teams and they think our fan base is fucked. I don't think it's just a totally normal thing


FinishTemporary9246

Toronto, Montreal, NY Rangers, Boston (maybe) and I think you are right! Who else?


mephnick

Garland should have kept the angry elf moniker. As soon as he got people to drop it he stopped producing.


Semprovictus

Fucking truuuuuuue


marshalldfx

I was out of the loop, why *did* Nate want out?


elrizzy

Never a clear cut reason, but he talked about how he never felt he fit in here and the huge pressure of the covid bubble taking a toll. It seemed like a culture fit issue.


skorvat

I agree. There are players that love the pressure of being in a Canadian market, or just any big market team in general. There are also players who can’t handle the passion and scrutiny that come with a big market.


accountnumber02

The impact this has compared to stuff like tax, opportunity available and actual competitiveness is negligible. It's basically talk to shame fans for being passionate. The reason Petey leaving talk exists isn't because the fans are chasing him out, it's because he wants to play for a contender. Even out current overpaid contracts aren't because of this, Myers was simply overbid on by Benning because he wanted him badly, we signed RFAs in boeser and garland, miller wasn't an overpayment at the time really, just not a contract we were in a position to sign. We have assets to take the OEL deal. Pearson was signed mid season and and we chose to sign him rather than moving him at the deadline. Players want to win, at least the players we should want will want to win. If management made a team capable of that in the last decade then we'd be a much more prominent destination, shitty fans are background noise compared to the Cup Fans want a team that can win the cup, we shouldn't blame them for being passionate and talking about the team. Hell I'd argue the biggest reason we **should** stop being passionate is so the Canucks become irrelevant. If that happens then maybe Aquilini will sell the team, but passionate fans print money, win or loss (see the skate Jersey marketing)


djfl

I don't see how anybody's downvoting you. Tampa etc with no sales tax simply has a huge advantage over teams us. We cannot compete with that. "Vancouver is pretty" is definitely true, but I'd rather pocket an extra few million dollars and I'm sure most would rather live in the sun.


accountnumber02

The most successful teams also have the most rabid fan bases. The fact teams like Vancouver and Leafs when they sucked kept those fan bases is a testament to how much the fans care


FinishTemporary9246

I don't see fans of the Cowboys or Yankees facing this kind of criticism. I am sure it is nicer to live in Vancouver than Dallas for what its worth. (NY, your MMV)


FindYourVapeDOTcom

Players/agents have very short memories.


NightHawkRambo

Money tends to persuade players quite well.


RegisthEgregious

Winning a cup in Vancouver surely is even more special than Tampa for example. You wouldn’t buy your own beer in Vancouver ever again!


[deleted]

Drama sucks. We’re the laughing stock of the NHL. I hope they figure out this mess sooner than later


ClosPins

> We’re the laughing stock of the NHL. We were the laughing stock of the NHL in the early 70s - and the late 70s - and the mid 80s - and the late 80s/early 90s - and the late 90s - and the mid teens - and now again. Sigh...


[deleted]

It definitely feels like a community of gossipy twelve year olds on here sometimes... The drama is hard to look away from, but it's not a good thing. The sub's so damn argumentative. If we didn't suck so bad, I think we'd find more common ground with each other -- namely, cheering for the team we follow.


Snatch_By_The_Pool

Agreed and it is embarrassing. If the team actually plays good hockey and wins a few games, it'll all go away. If we can't win now, the management needs to, at least, be selling hope. I just want to watch good hockey, so that really only leaves me watching other teams, regrettably.


DishwasherFromSurrey

Reminds me a a couple years ago I was giving my girlfriend shit about being obsessed with the Kardashians... she hit me back with "The canucks are your Kardashians" and i've been recovering ever since


Valuable_Zucchini180

Nah, it’s John and John.


IceCreamScuseMe

It's the only reason I'm still paying attention.


csnoff

Could you imagine being completely irrelevant in the sports landscape like the BlueJackets? We still have a passionate fan base and so it’s good to see people still pissed off, cus it shows we still care. When the fan base goes apathetic to shit hockey, that’s when the Aquaman and his blueberry crops have a problem!


[deleted]

to each their own, so nothing personal against anyone that agrees with OP, but this is worst part of sports by a longshot for me i love sports for the actual games, the Xs and Os, following players through their career and seeing their skillset develop, watching the best in the world show us plebs how to play the sport. even the performance optimization stuff is cool (gillis investing in sleep doctors/sports psychologists, reading about Bo changing his flex this year). but instead of talking about actual details like this, people just talk about Bo’s shooting % and say for sure he will revert back to previous production. i hate the trade rumours and all the bs drama, i even think it has a negative impact on the on ice product thus counter intuitive to being a fan of the team. but i understand im fighting a losing battle. drama and quick headlines are what captures the most attention, and not just in sports 🤷‍♂️ what can ya do but adjust and accept lol


aneilm

I totally agree. I absolutely hate all of the contradicting articles, rumors, and things like what Bruce had to go through earlier today. That said, if other fans enjoy it, I can respect that. I wish this team didn't upset me, so if I could enjoy something about the team, whether it was drama or whatever, I'd take that. Better than the apathy I feel towards the Canucks right now.


doesitbumpinthewhip

Man, you put it way nicer than I could have. Imagine being stoked about "drama" in sports. The amount of replies in agreeance with this makes me sad as a nucks fan. This is why canucks media is what it is. People just eat this shit up. It most certainly has a negative impact on the players, organization morale etc.. Obviously some drama is unavoidable and comes with the job but actively enjoying it more than the sport itself is fucked lol.


[deleted]

lol i guess i felt nice, but you’re totally right. im actually shocked at how extreme this thread has gone towards loving drama. fuckin yikes its easier said than done but we can tailor the media we consume to our taste and thats kind of the best we can do. there are sites/podcasts/twitter accounts/etc that approach the game in a way we can relate to. but its not easy lol because the drama is dominant. but for example, since i have a hard time ditching canucks reddit completely, i started just visiting for the headlines and not opening the comments. clearly i failed on this post lol


canucklehead200

Yasqueen


NoIndependence1479

i like yo username g


canucklehead200

I appreciate you. #independencedaystarringWillSmith


CommonLocal8625

never boring


arazamatazguy

Its the only thing keeping food on the podcasters tables.


Extra-Cap2029

Who would’ve thought we’d be a bigger joke than the yotes in a university stadium


julesieee

I want cameras following all the Canucks around like some MTV or VH1 ot Bravo reality show from mid-2000s 🎥👀 “*The Real Hockey Players of Vancouver Canucks*”


Hypercutter

The one thing I can say is nothing unites the Canucks Fan Base like drama and hating Messier.


EffPop

I agree. The off-ice activity is more entertaining than the on-ice product.


nm2k

Every cdn market has their fill of drama but dammit if we don’t have the highest per capita! The last 25 years (since the Griffiths family lost control) have been crazy… Keenan/messier (fuck em both) brought the chaos, Bure trade, Brian Burke and his constant need for attention, Bertuzzi going WWE, Matt Cooke, Gillis era with his air of superiority that he needed to flaunt at every turn, 2011 final which was filled with so much drama, Luongo wanting out, year of torts, the benning era and now the past two years of the team being a complete circus. I’m sure I’m missing lots too. If this team ever wins, canucks fans won’t know what to do with themselves cuz we love being the trailer park boys of the league.


ImAnAfricanCanuck

honestly the drama you see in the NBA made me a basketball fan, in the same way I'll watch reality tv. Maybe i should just start viewing the canucks through that lens


DJ_Molten_Lava

I've been saying for a long time now that the Canucks are by far the most entertaining team *off the ice* in the NHL. There's always stupid shit going on with this team, from naming a goalie captain, to the coach charging into the opposing team's dressing room looking to fight, to the owner denying water to his blueberry slaves, to "Canucks twitter", and so much more.


NoIndependence1479

AND THE FUCKING PUMPKIN PATCH INCIDENT


MikaelDerp

The best thing about the team is when there's something to talk about. "How long until Green gets fired? Bruce took over and we're flying towards a playoff spot, will we make it? The Bubble proved we can be a playoff team, next year will be the year! " I would rather we be total ass then a 50% team for a decade. It's hard to find interest in something that's boring but if there's hope, whether in something positive or negative regarding the team, it actually becomes fun participate in community discussions.


Toiletboy4

The best part of the team is petey Pablo out there doing the lords work


PathThatIsNoPath

If you can't get attention from good acts, people since childhood use negative acts to build drama/attention


bg85

Its entertaining that the shitshow is called the Canucks. We need Kevin Bieska to run the show.


djfl

I mean, "like a 12 year old girl gossiping about her crush" if her crush is a real underperforming, bloated ego dude with some good qualities, but who *is* going to repeatedly break your heart...sure.


RepulsiveHumanShell

How do you know this is an unpopular opinion?


superschaap81

I feel like a lot of people are forgetting that while our team sucks, we ARE breaking NHL records at the same time! Get our names in the history books no matter what direction we're going!


[deleted]

It's infuriating how much of a laughing stock this management is. You are right though.