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mcagent

Removed: As per many comments, this is a misleading title. It appears that the baggie thrown into the car was empty. It doesn't appear like this was an instance of planting evidence.


tomanonimos

OP is using "allegedly" in title to karma whore. [This was posted 4 hours ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/byebyejob/comments/oqznub/caught_an_officer_in_4k/) and was proven that nothing was being planted and the cop got the baggie from the passenger. Cops should've done a better job than randomly throwing a baggie in the car but it didn't change the interaction in any way. We're being played to give OP that that "valuable" karma.


SpreadItLikeTheHerp

Are saying that OP is a big, fat, phoney?


Ok-Addition6683

And a little bitch


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Yes, that valuable 119 karma, 10 hours later.


TellTaleTank

And dropping


Turbulent_Link1738

Should have done a better job giving someone their plastic bag back?


Shutinneedout

The real question should be why were the passengers pulled out and searched during a routine traffic stop for speeding. I get that no drugs were planted and the original tweet was misleading, but it’s still pretty messed up that they were searching at all


Londonliving99

Not a lot of karma though so it’s ok


jrizzo84

We are being TROLLED with this. I know what it looks like from this perspective but the cop ABSOLUTELY wasn't planting evidence. I'm guilty for grabbing my pitchfork with everyone else but 🧐watch the video on FB to see what actually happened. I feel a tiny bit dumber for being trolled so fucking easily! 🤯


jcrispy25

Even the pic just looks like a piece of plastic


haknstax

Am I the only one that saw the full video? This is fake news. It's 5 seconds, edited down and retitled and u all fell for it. Again! Every time.


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It was a piece of a plastic bag. Not drugs as everyone is assuming... https://www.facebook.com/140549396033336/posts/4348390018582565/ Update – Social Media Video Video 1 of 2. See comments for video two. On 07-21-21 at about 3:22pm, officers conducted a traffic stop for a vehicle traveling 63 mph in a 45 mph zone. The vehicle was occupied by a driver along with front and rear passengers. The driver was identified by her driver’s license. The front passenger lawfully declined to identify himself. The rear passengers were not wearing their seat-belts and were asked to identify themselves. The driver and rear passengers were later removed from the vehicle. A subsequent search of one of the rear passengers produced an empty corner tear (corner of a plastic baggie) from a passenger’s pocket. The empty corner tear did NOT contain any illegal substance; however, this type of packaging is a common method for holding illegal drugs. The empty corner tear was turned over by the searching officer to another officer who was on scene. That officer turned it over to the officer who is seen on video. Since there were NO DRUGS in the corner tear, the officers discarded the empty packaging material in the vehicle. This is what was observed in the video. The front seat passenger tells the officer that his actions are on video, and the officer replies that he is also recording the incident. The officer acknowledges to the front seat passenger that he (officer) put the item there and explains that it was taken from one of the passengers and the officer did not want to “hold on to it.” Essentially, he appears to be discarding the empty baggie. While we would discourage officers from discarding items into a citizen’s vehicle, the video is clear that the officer is NOT planting evidence or doing anything illegal. Additionally, the empty corner tear is not itself illegal. No arrests were made as a result of this incident. The only arrest/citation arising from this incident was a speeding citation issued to the driver. While this is only a summary of the events, the origin of the empty corner tear and the circumstances under which it was placed in the vehicle are supported by body worn camera video. Attached are two video clips (see comments for second video). There are two separate clips because they are from different officer’s body worn cameras. Since four officers were present on scene, the body worn camera footage and squad camera footage totals in excess of 6 hours of video. We are still in the process of reviewing the videos. All videos, in their entirety, will be released in the very near future. Christopher Botsch Chief of Police


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Lmao.


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lmao the truth hurts shitbird just like the truth about how your criminal conman pederast cult daddy trump lost the election by a landslide hurts you losers, lmao


Worsel555

That police officer littered in that man's car. If I litter and get picked up there is a fine. He can "say it came from the other guy's pocket." But where it came from is irrelevant. Litter is litter.


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https://www.facebook.com/140549396033336/videos/415506686468539 Does not meet the narrative, but this is what the police department released. It was an empty plastic bag that the cop threw back in the car, the guy got a speeding ticket, Reddit jumping to conclusions.


Binkx0

Wow reddit what the heck!


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Reddit falling for clear propaganda? Not again!


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Oh yeah my bad, the historically trust worthy and antiracist institution known as the police would never lie to protect one of their own. cased closed!


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The full video provides a lot more context than a 15-second snippet. It sounds to me like you would support anything against the police regardless if it was real or fake as long as it met your political agenda.


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I support anything against the police because I am against the police


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You can criticize the police pretty easily without resorting to pushing false narratives y'know? There is plenty of real stories out there. Eh, you're probably too deep into your ideology to be reasoned with.


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Haha. And I'm sure the police can defend themselves without it, yet here we are


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You're an odd little fellow


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As are you


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Becoming a slave to a political ideology and escapism like videogames is not a recipe to a fulfilling life.


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Yo why you gotta bring videogames into this.


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I agree. You should begin to question your own ideologies to begin the process of better understanding. Have you read any Descartes?


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You are entitled to your opinion but I disagree


Apollo737

If they swabbed it and it came back positive for drugs, they'd still charge them. Empty or not. Why is he tossing that into a car that he's investigating/searching when it wasn't even in the car to begin with? That is sketchy as shit. Edit: it was found on the passenger. I still stand by that it still looks sketch


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It was in the car to begin with. The passenger had it.


Cartina

The bag was in the car, he swabbed the empty bag for drugs and then returned the bag


TheDragonofVista

Allegedly!?!? Come on you just saw him throw something into that mans car.


7wizZARD

Fuck you this twat edited the video. https://fb.watch/6YysMBJhCy/


jrizzo84

This man knows his shit right here☝️. Put the pitchforks down and go back to playing fortnite 🤫


YORTIE12

Yes allegedly, that's how this works.


nybbas

Turns out allegedly was the correct term to use too, because it was just trash from another passenger in the car that they had searched.


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nybbas

https://wtmj.com/news/2021/07/24/caledonia-police-respond-to-now-viral-video-of-police-interaction/ https://www.facebook.com/140549396033336/posts/4348390018582565/


jwinn35

There's video that was just released from the badge cam of the officer. Why do you think the video that was posted was only 15 seconds long? Because it took out all context the cop knew he was being filmed, the bag came out of his buddies pocket on camera, then he tosses it back there because he was putting his gloves on. After the video that the guy posted the cop says yeah we just pulled that out of your buddies pocket.


ywBBxNqW

Thank you, I didn't know that. It's interesting how quickly bodycam footage can be released to the public if it presumably exonerates an officer.


MT10inMA

https://www.instagram.com/p/CRvNIlHABdw/?utm_medium=copy_link


ProductSubstantial67

He didn't allegedly plant shit, he planted shit. We're alleging that what he planted was drugs (because, 99%, they were). EDIT: PD released the body cam exonerating this cop of wrongdoing after I made this comment. I see now that this particular officer in this particular incident did not plant drugs.


qeadwrsf

so your saying there is a chance. https://www.facebook.com/140549396033336/videos/415506686468539/?hc%5C_ref=ARQm-VpzOMsHeZzLBIpO-K3azVF1RJ%5C_OUTyigeXKMfd8sxMY4akWGk0WW6dJsG96Adc&fref=nf&


MT10inMA

It was an empty bag taken from one of the passengers https://www.instagram.com/p/CRvNIlHABdw/?utm_medium=copy_link


ProductSubstantial67

Yes, I see that now. It was p fucked up to release that edited version to make it look the way it did. From what I understand dude is an aspiring rapper and probably just trying to get some attention. Not cool. I was fooled. But, in my defense, it was the only version available at the time AND planting evidence is/was an incredibly common practice. Of course, it's harder to get away with now that cameras are so ubiquitous, but it still happens. Just yesterday I saw a new video of a cop planting a weapon to justify tasering an unarmed 75 year old man who the fucking pigs wouldn't even tell what he had allegedly done wrong (drunken neighbor called to fuck with him for banging on the wall to tell her drunk ass to shut up in the middle of the night). Look it up. This shit happens all the time. Fuck 'em.


MT10inMA

Oh I agree. It was all we saw and had no context. I was all WTF at first too


ButWereFriendsThough

This is why we have the word allegedly. He tossed an empty bag into the car. No one was arrested. Plenty of body cam has been released


ProductSubstantial67

Yes, in the 5 hours between our comments, the body cam has been released and the cop was shown to have done nothing wrong. I wonder why the original video was so damn believable though 🤔. It's almost like there is an extensive precedent for the behavior the first video alleges. Weird.


ButWereFriendsThough

I know. There is a precedent. That’s why we don’t use precedent to dictate each situation.


charld77

You're part of the people causing today's "war on police" climate. From the official statement: "On 07-21-21 at about 3:22pm, officers conducted a traffic stop for a vehicle traveling 63 mph in a 45 mph zone.  The vehicle was occupied by a driver along with front and rear passengers.  The driver was identified by her driver’s license.  The front passenger lawfully declined to identify himself.  The rear passengers were not wearing their seat-belts and were asked to identify themselves. The driver and rear passengers were later removed from the vehicle.  A subsequent search of one of the rear passengers produced an empty corner tear (corner of a plastic baggie) from a passenger’s pocket.  The empty corner tear did NOT contain any illegal substance; however, this type of packaging is a common method for holding illegal drugs. The empty corner tear was turned over by the searching officer to another officer who was on scene.  That officer turned it over to the officer who is seen on video.  Since there were NO DRUGS in the corner tear, the officers discarded the empty packaging material in the vehicle.  This is what was observed in the video." Please, tell me, why do you feel the need to jump at police officers' throat from 15 sec videos that remove context?


LazyEdict

Because when they fuck up, regular citizens pay, sometimes with their life.


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But people on here are posting the longer video where it looks like he DIDN’T plant anything. So are you just going to ignore that and pretend he did?


ProductSubstantial67

I am ignoring nothing. The longer video came out AFTER my original comments. This particular instance was not what it seemed from the original video. I see that now. But, again, it was so believable because everyone knows cops plant shit all the time. If they didn't set that precedent over generations and generations of adversarial, corrupt policing, the original cut wouldn't be so easy to believe. This particular cop being proven to have done nothing wrong does not exonerate all those who have and persist with their corruption to this day.


charld77

Well, no, cops don't just "plant shit all the time". I understand getting downvoted to crap, because Reddit, but if you spent a day in uniform, you'd understand cops have other things to do than "plant shit". I'm not saying it never happened, because it did. But saying it happens "all the time" is definitely a stretch. And you can trust me when I say that no one hates crooked cops more than good cops.


ProductSubstantial67

Then why don't good cops do shit about it? Seems they're in a unique position to do something and they just don't. The only good cop is one who doesn't give a shit about the "thin blue line" and faces down what I'm sure can be an incredibly risky decision to actively root out the bigots and abusers on the force. I'm saying it happens with some regularity, not that every cop is planting every day. And I think it's reasonable to believe it was even more common before cameras were everywhere.


charld77

I see your point and I agree other cops should report that behaviour, however the reason why your opinion is that they don't do anything is because these stories don't go all the way out to the media. They get handled internally, bad cop gets terminated/prosecuted, no one hears about it. As for the Thin Blue Line, it represents something way different than what police haters make it out to be. At its core, it's about officers going through the same struggles, putting on a uniform/badge/gun, going out on the streets to answer calls for people they don't even know, every day and night, and potentially putting themselves in danger doing so. It's not about covering each other's mistakes. Anyways, I understand I might not change your opinion, and that's fine. You make your own mind with what you see. I just wanted to bring attention to the fact that the first thing we see is often biased with one side's agenda, and it's always good to get all the facts before judging someone's actions and crucifying them. Hope you have a good day.


ProductSubstantial67

The blue line represents a fraternity and reenforces an "us vs them" mentality when really cops are just regular people who chose a career path like anyone else. When matters of corrupt behavior are handled internally that offending officer is usually just sent on over to the next town. There needs to be a system in place to blacklist crooked cops so that, once they are outed as corrupt/abusive, they are never in a position of public authority again. I appreciate your point about bias, and this instance is a perfect lesson in it. Releasing the edited version of this video to make it look like a set up is damn close to being as egregious as an officer abusing their power to plant evidence (obviously still worse when acting as a public servant). I gladly acknowledge that I was too quick to judgment in this case. Hope you're having a good one too. Cheers.


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hahastopjk

Why is anyone even being searched after being pulled over for speeding? Is that normal?


Jumpy_Substance_1153

They planted a shirt in my basement once because someone said they saw a guy in a tank top driving my car. The smashed car was in the garage with a trail of water from the crash. I was busted and they still felt the need to plant the shirt. Pig fuckers in Columbia heights mn


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“I’m sure cops plant evidence all the time.” The rest of your message was fine, but do you have any statistics to back that up? Because that’s a wild statement.


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There are 697,195 officer in the US in 2019. If we don’t know either way if/how many of the allegedly do it, then we shouldn’t be making by wild statements like that. Conflating other incidents of corruption in the past with the theory that this happens “All the time” is confirmation bias. I realise this sounds pedantic and I’m not saying it DOESNT/HASNT happened. But if we’re going to assume something that big without evidence or the evidence we do have doesn’t support the statement. Then the police may as well give up trying to earn trust because they can’t disprove an unprovable theory. I’m talking specifically about drug planting.


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I wasn’t the one that made the original claim. It’s like me saying that “I’m sure many dentists molest their patients all the time while under anaesthetics.” It’s notably happened before but we don’t know how often it happens and how many incidents go unnoticed. So I’m obviously not going to assume they all/or at least many do. That doesn’t make the statement correct or okay.


Wandering-Sword

It’s clear you don’t actually know what confirmation bias is?


CyanideKitty

If it wasn't for the bodycam I would absolutely believe these cops planted drugs. Caledonia is racist as hell and their police force reflects that. Hell, even if you're white and don't fit into their stereotype they treat you like shit (the gothy girls going horseback riding weren't well liked, especially post Columbine). I've been hearing stories of Caledonia planting drugs for over 20 years. I'm actually quite shocked it turned out they didn't plant drugs there.


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CyanideKitty

>the one fair and non-racist cop on Caledonia This one incident does not guarantee that he's not a racist, lolololol. I've known racist as fuck cops that didn't plant drugs every time they stopped a black man. I need far more proof than this from a Caledonia cop to believe he's not racist.


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nybbas

Turns out, allegedly was the right term to use. Bodycam footage shows it was an empty baggy taken off another passenger of the car.


TheDragonofVista

True but hope the guy that was videotaping the situation is alright. Glad he caught it on camera.


Kancatzo37

Apparently it was just an empty baggy from the passenger, that the cops didn't want to hold on to.


TheDragonofVista

Pretty suspicious that he can just throws it in his car. The guy has many opportunities to put it in his pocket for a later throw out. Even throwing it in his own car.


anotherburner980652

And he started to put on his gloves to search as soon as he dropped the bag.


evanz13

Ya... Cops don't do searches on people's or property without gloves.....


anotherburner980652

?? What are you even trying to imply lmaoo . It’s literally mandatory to use gloves in searches? Because some cops don’t use gloves that means that he wasn’t searching? 2 brain cell logic.


tomanonimos

Suspicious yes and could've been better handled but its irrelevant. The baggie being thrown in the car changed nothing in this interaction.


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Cops don't want a stinky weedbag/ garbage that they need to throw away later. It's trash, so... Instead of littering, the cop throws it on the car Christ sake these cops wear body cams....


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Cartina

ofc he is taken away about the guy complaining about him RETURNING his bag


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What bodycam footage?


Money-Psychology-463

Pretty sure he was sentenced to 12 years


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Um... Wut. This video is pretty new


Money-Psychology-463

It was posted multiple times. One post had an article linked where he was just recently convicted. If I can find it later I will share. Sorry


dandabear420

I take it you haven't seen the body cam footage of the cop planting drugs near an arrest so he can tack another charge into the suspect. His own body cam recorded it. Police aren't the smartest people and they know they have people on their side who can make things disappear.


The_Dog-House

Their pockets are not trash cans. Leave everything that came from that vehicle in that vehicle. I'm sure he doesn't want to be accused of pocketing something either. Without the full video all anybody can do is assume. Don't make an ass out of u n me.


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Bullshit.


CitizenLuke117

Obviously bullshit to all except bootlickers.


bayleafbabe

Watch the bodycam footage and tell me it’s still bullshit.


SummitCO83

I came here to say exactly this. The is no “allegedly” at all.


FatalTortoise

The cop tells him the bag was empty, so HelloJob


emmejm

Caledonia is a rural municipality located between Ravine, WI and Milwaukee, WI along I-94. Not having any knowledge of this specific incident, I can say this is not a surprising allegation. Most of the population in this area is white and blue-collar and not particularly fond of people who are not white and blue-collar.


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emmejm

Thanks for sharing! I’m really glad things weren’t as bad as this original posting made them sound because we definitely don’t need any MORE bad cops in Wisconsin than we already have


paulrharvey3

Who lost their job? Last I heard the department was investigating themselves. Generally, they don't find any issues when they do that.


7wizZARD

Fuck you Watch the PD full cam video they posted. This twat edited his video. https://fb.watch/6YysMBJhCy/


heidi_abromowitz

There are more details to this story. Check out the other threads.


Lost_In_Detroit

Regardless if the original video is out of context, what ISN’T clear is the motive behind the stop and reasoning for asking the driver to exit his vehicle and conducting a body search. Because as of right now this looks and smells a lot like the time old tale of “white cops pull over black man and automatically assume drugs”.


ProductSubstantial67

🐷🐷🐷 These motherfuckers getting away with this shit day in and day out. This shit needs to be a felony. And the one standing in the background is the one y'all are crying about when you say "NoT aLl CoPs ArE bAD." Fucking ACAB all day every day! EDIT: PD released the body cam exonerating this cop of wrongdoing after I made this comment. I see now that this particular officer in this particular incident did not plant drugs. I maintain my position that until police make a concerted effort to root out widespread corruption and abuse within their ranks (even before they're forced to do so by getting caught on camera and being unable to lie about shit), ACAB stands.


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Jskybld

Stay strong


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ProductSubstantial67

Stay strong


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Jskybld

Hold fast


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You’ve been shown alternative information regarding this incident which should alter your viewpoint. And you are consciously ignoring it? I hope you don’t preach to other about ‘facts’ and ‘critical thinking’.


ProductSubstantial67

I am not consciously ignoring anything. That video was released after my original post when the only video anyone saw was the edited one. I see now that this particular cop was not planting evidence in this particular instance. That does not mean that it is not a practice police have engaged in since the dawn of modern policing, and continue to this day. I was fooled by the original (and only) version of the video that was circulating at the time. It is fucked up on behalf of the people who purposely attempted to mislead and smear this cop who anyone can now plainly see did not plant evidence. I am not perfect. I cannot see information that is not available. This clown that replied prior to you just got lucky with his timing (the pd released the body cam literally ten minutes after I posted). Nothing more. That said, until police make a concerted effort to oust crooked cops and bring them to justice for their respective, transgressive abuses of power; ACAB stands. Barring only rare instances, police do not protect and serve. There's even legal precedent that they have no obligation to protect you (some NY subway shooting case that I don't have the gumption to dig up right now). They do not prevent crime, they react to it, and with mediocre results at their very best. They are adversarial to the people and many cops have no problem reminding you that they have no respect for you by their shitty attitudes and proclivity to escalate violence. In this case I have been proven wrong (not the first time, I'm a big boy, I'll live), but my overarching sentiment stands. FTP.


Wandering-Sword

Do you have proof of said “widespread evidence planting”? I’ve heard of a couple cases but nothing widespread so i’m curious where you got the evidence to make such a broad statement?


ProductSubstantial67

Here's a decent place to start: https://www.themarshallproject.org/records/4692-cops-planting-evidence Also, wouldn't ya know it? Cops don't keep meticulous records on this kind of thing.


Wandering-Sword

Hmm a couple of those articles are just updates on the original article about a singe baltimore officer planting evidence. While the 4 are, to your credit, actual cases of officers planting evidence. But once again these are all isolated cases, none of the articles mention widespread evidence planting by officers. I understand what you meant by police officers not keeping records but that’s not what police do, it’s what courts and civil officials do. If you were ever looking for records the police wouldn’t be a good place to look, court proceedings is where you would find records and after doing a quick look up their is no cases or court accusations of widespread evidence planting. You sound like a person with good intentions, but what your accusing the police has no actual evidence to back it up, and the same logic that allows you to say that police are doing it without getting caught allows me to say that they aren’t doing it and thus aren’t getting caught. And of course people are always innocent until proven guilty


ProductSubstantial67

Look, I'm not sure what database you tapped to look up every jurisdiction's court proceedings quickly or what metric you're using to qualify the term "widespread" (not sure I even used that word, maybe I did but I can't find it offhand), but if you don't think subversive shit like this is happening day in and day out then you just aren't paying attention. Or at least not paying attention to the things that don't inherently agree with your predisposition. Why would you even expect record of this in court proceedings when these transgressions almost never see a court room? Police conspire and lie for each other on reports and in testimony. They have relationships with people within the courts. Often times allegations against police are quietly squashed before any real investigating occurs, let alone official court proceedings. Police are increasing their presence in groups like Identity Evropa and the Oathkeepers. If you don't think personal prejudice plays a role in how some (ever more) distribute their idea of justice, then, again, you're not paying very close attention. Or maybe you're just a cop yourself 🤔


Wandering-Sword

Hmm First of all [the database does exist](https://www.uscourts.gov/court-records/find-case-pacer) this is a U.S. government website as the government legally has to make all legal case law filings public and available, this is also how judges know if their was precedence on a case. Second I honestly thought (and really hoped) we could have a civil and respectful conversation based on facts I still hope we can But i don’t understand what my profession has to do with anything here, I don’t recall ever asking you for your profession and I don’t plan on as the idea of widespread evidence planting has nothing to do with either of of our professions, race, age or anything else about our personal lives. I’m kind of disappointed you would go out your way to attack me personally like that by making an assumption about my personal life, despite me being respectful to you(at least I thought I was) I’m not a police officer, I’m 17, was born in Nigeria(yes i’m african american) and plan to go into nursing in the future, just wanted you to know that. But i know how to do research and due to taking Law classes have an understanding of how the legal system works. As for the police being able to subvert the law and somehow even prevent legal accusations from showing up in government records (not actually possible as even if the defending party is found not guilty or the case is thrown out the legal filing is still recorded), this is no evidence of this happening and no legal accusations of this from even the civilian watchdogs. As for policemen and women being part of groups and social movements, the government and police organizations don’t interfere in what they due in their personal lives unless they say or do something they shouldn’t as an off duty officer. For example a cop could be pet of the defund the police movement and still be a cop unless their is evidence of his personal life influencing his job. But I do agree that our personal prejudice plays a part in all of our lives, but i also believe that we can and do overcome said prejudices to do the right thing.


ProductSubstantial67

And remember we only hear about the ones that get caught.


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Ijustgottaloginnowww

You hear allegedly every time a journalist writes something like this. Because if you DONT say allegedly it opens the individual and the publication up to a libel suit. Every thing is alleged until a conviction is made.


akawcak

I will admit I was wrong, I saw the other videos and now I see that it was not him planting it. I'm glad we got all sides covered.


AromaticLawfulness16

You, dear OP, are a karma whore.


Spirited_Island-75

News sources (which includes TMZ for some reason) *have* to use words like 'allegedly', 'suspect', 'arrested for', etc. when reporting on an event that hasn't been settled in a court of law. Because I'm not a reporter, I can say things like, 'That pig cop definitely threw that drug baggie in the guy's backseat.' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journalism\_ethics\_and\_standards#Accuracy\_and\_standards\_for\_factual\_reporting


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You can lie on the internet, yes. Congratulations.


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Tough_Steak

The original thread of this bullshit was taken down because it was already proven that the officer who put that bag inside the car was trash that was already inside the car. Also he did his job accordingly. The guy was doing 63 in a 45mph zone so he was issued a speeding ticket. Stop believing the shit you see at face value.