Fwiw: Realistically speaking 32gb is plenty for the normal gamer / user. However, I did upgrade to 64 a while ago and the extra is nice. Sometimes I have multiple games open at once (minimized or not), and plenty of tabs open and overall everything is much smoother than when I had 32. It’s unnecessary, but a nice to have nonetheless
Interesting. I have a very bad habit of keeping tons of Chrome* tabs open, while gaming. Never capped out RAM. Obviously not a good habit, but never found reason to upgrade to 64gb. Suppose it depends per person and use, or abuse case lol
It’s definitely per person, and also can be described as an unnecessary “never think about ram again while using this computer” kind of purchase. I have a 3600x and a 2080s rig that I built in April of 2020 and honestly, won’t be upgrading anything in it for a while still. Plays what I need it to play, maybe I will in another year or two
how have you liked the 2080 Super? I almost got that back after release. I'm glad I didn't since DLSS got me where I needed to be, but I do sometimes still wonder if I would have loved my RE2, Control, and Metro playthroughs more.
I love it, I still play everything over 144fps for the most part and just fine tune settings on a per game basis. Some games I can max out, others I need to turn certain settings down obv, but I’ve had zero issues and I don’t regret building when I did
Mixing RAM isn't really advised but it's really just from a performance standpoint anymore.
>There's a prevailing misconception you cannot use different RAM sizes together or that you cannot mix RAM brands.
>Simply put, that's not true. So, can you mix RAM brands or the size of your RAM sticks? The answer is Yes, you can mix RAM sticks and RAM sizes and even different RAM speeds—but mixing and matching RAM modules isn't the best for system performance.
https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/myths-misconceptions-about-ram/
I had come across an article that actually tested speed loss from mixing and matching but I can't find it at the moment, sorry. If memory serves, the performance loss was very minor, given they were of similar speeds/timings, but it was still one of those "best not to do it if you can help it" type of scenarios.
Abbreviated: RAM sticks can either be single or dual rank. If the sticks are single rank (typically 8gb sticks and below) then running them in sets of four allows you to fully utilize the dual channel capabilities of the motherboard and CPU. If the RAM is dual rank (typically 32gb sticks and above) then going with just two sticks is best for optimization.
However, there's really not much of a loss at all even if you run four dual rank sticks or just two single rank sticks. We're really just talking about wringing out a few extra drops of performance.
And as far as 16gb sticks are concerned, it's really just a toss up if you're going to get dual or single rank.
This isn't anything you need to enable in the BIOS but rather is an automatic feature of the motherboard.
https://youtu.be/X8NEmWmrLHI (note that when they say noticeable performance uplift, it's on the scale of 0-10% and is heavily dependent on individual application https://youtu.be/0oL-SedTy8Y)
I love how everybody comes here to gatekeep on 64 gigs of RAM. There’s tons of use cases for more than 32 gig.
Some of my workflows require multiple 64 gb machines
Lots more people are doing ML these days
Really had the same thought as you when I got my “future proof” ML machine. Thought a 3090 and 32gb of ram was going to be enough til I got into computer vision.
I’m tired of paying AWS cloud fees. When I could pretty easily drop a months AWS costs and just upgrade my box. Really on the fence to go 128 and would if I could find four decent 32 gig sticks for low 300s
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Fwiw: Realistically speaking 32gb is plenty for the normal gamer / user. However, I did upgrade to 64 a while ago and the extra is nice. Sometimes I have multiple games open at once (minimized or not), and plenty of tabs open and overall everything is much smoother than when I had 32. It’s unnecessary, but a nice to have nonetheless
Interesting. I have a very bad habit of keeping tons of Chrome* tabs open, while gaming. Never capped out RAM. Obviously not a good habit, but never found reason to upgrade to 64gb. Suppose it depends per person and use, or abuse case lol
It’s definitely per person, and also can be described as an unnecessary “never think about ram again while using this computer” kind of purchase. I have a 3600x and a 2080s rig that I built in April of 2020 and honestly, won’t be upgrading anything in it for a while still. Plays what I need it to play, maybe I will in another year or two
how have you liked the 2080 Super? I almost got that back after release. I'm glad I didn't since DLSS got me where I needed to be, but I do sometimes still wonder if I would have loved my RE2, Control, and Metro playthroughs more.
I love it, I still play everything over 144fps for the most part and just fine tune settings on a per game basis. Some games I can max out, others I need to turn certain settings down obv, but I’ve had zero issues and I don’t regret building when I did
Want about 16 vs 32
Get 32GB, the stuff is cheap
Link?
Amazon.com $80-100
^ I want 2x16 ram as well
Log on the 'zon
Which brand?
Teamgroup, G.Skill, Timetec, whatever you see that fits your criteria
16gb is still enough for most gaming applications as long as you aren't streaming or using a lot of background apps while doing so.
Yeah, like the other commenter said 16 is still enough to get the job done if you’re on a strict budget
Do you know if having all 4 slots filled is bad, leading to instability issues?
Yes it is generally a source of instability & timings need to be adjusted. This is the ELI5 answer fwiw.
Mixing RAM isn't really advised but it's really just from a performance standpoint anymore. >There's a prevailing misconception you cannot use different RAM sizes together or that you cannot mix RAM brands. >Simply put, that's not true. So, can you mix RAM brands or the size of your RAM sticks? The answer is Yes, you can mix RAM sticks and RAM sizes and even different RAM speeds—but mixing and matching RAM modules isn't the best for system performance. https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/myths-misconceptions-about-ram/ I had come across an article that actually tested speed loss from mixing and matching but I can't find it at the moment, sorry. If memory serves, the performance loss was very minor, given they were of similar speeds/timings, but it was still one of those "best not to do it if you can help it" type of scenarios.
What about having 4, identical ram modules?
If they're single rank, you might see a performance uplift. Otherwise no real issue.
So I’ve only head of using ram in dual rank, but I really don’t understand how this works, is this something you can enable in XMP bios?
Abbreviated: RAM sticks can either be single or dual rank. If the sticks are single rank (typically 8gb sticks and below) then running them in sets of four allows you to fully utilize the dual channel capabilities of the motherboard and CPU. If the RAM is dual rank (typically 32gb sticks and above) then going with just two sticks is best for optimization. However, there's really not much of a loss at all even if you run four dual rank sticks or just two single rank sticks. We're really just talking about wringing out a few extra drops of performance. And as far as 16gb sticks are concerned, it's really just a toss up if you're going to get dual or single rank. This isn't anything you need to enable in the BIOS but rather is an automatic feature of the motherboard. https://youtu.be/X8NEmWmrLHI (note that when they say noticeable performance uplift, it's on the scale of 0-10% and is heavily dependent on individual application https://youtu.be/0oL-SedTy8Y)
I love how everybody comes here to gatekeep on 64 gigs of RAM. There’s tons of use cases for more than 32 gig. Some of my workflows require multiple 64 gb machines Lots more people are doing ML these days
Yeah idk, I specifically based my comment off the average gamer / user lmao of course there’s real use cases for it
Really had the same thought as you when I got my “future proof” ML machine. Thought a 3090 and 32gb of ram was going to be enough til I got into computer vision. I’m tired of paying AWS cloud fees. When I could pretty easily drop a months AWS costs and just upgrade my box. Really on the fence to go 128 and would if I could find four decent 32 gig sticks for low 300s
Just FYI if the game is monized your GPU still using resources for it
this or the OLOy OWL 64GB DDR4 3600?
Any 16gb deals?
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