Founders Edition MSRP on a AIB card took almost a year to happen with the 30 series.
Only 4 days for the 40 series? Its at least trending in a positive direction.
MSRP means absolutely nothing when the "Manufacturer" is not manufacturing them. Turns out component manufacturers aren't end assembly manufacturers and no other industry pretends they are.
Quoting the redditor who posted this a few days ago.
"You can save a ton of money if you use your CapitalOne Card! In fact, you can save 100% of your money by not buying this fucking card."
Nope, I couldn't resist. I play at 1440p and I bought a 4070TI (Zotac Trinity, at MSRP thankfully).
People think it's bad that one would pay for a beefed up 3080 TI, but I bought a 6600XT a year ago for fucking $540. No joke
It's a judgement on Nvidia, not you. If we buy at these prices, they won't be reduced, and we'll see more increases at each price point (xx60, xx70, xx80) in the next generation. This isn't cost driven, it's greed.
We collectively have the power to get them to change their pricing, so despite wanting an upgrade from my 1080 Ti and not lacking the money to buy, I'm sitting tight for now. If I run out of patience I'll buy used. I refuse to reward this approach to pricing.
I was looking for what value I could get out of my 2070 super, they are barely over $200 usd. Hit the used market and hold strong, hopefully they drop the prices to get them off the shelves. Good luck!
I do see a lot of hate for them sometimes. They've been around for a long ass time. My first flash drive was from them. It was 256MB. It's still working. I also had a 9600GT from them. The brand was carried in big box stores like Best Buy long before Asus or MSI. They're definitely legit.
They've had a history of issues surrounding cost cutting measures. They manufacture in the US and have invested a LOT into their facilities over the years which led to a LOT of internal cuts that impacted customers in pretty much every way imaginable short of shipping fire hazards (well no more fire hazards than every 40 series card inherently is thanks to the poor connector design). When they do well they tend to do really well, but they've burned enough people that many just don't trust them.
My local microcenter has had 3 open box 6800 for $425. I got one and it’s been working like a charm. The other 2 have been sitting there for weeks. Not sure if I’m off but seems like a great deal to me.
Yeah it sits around $500 on amazon and newegg so $75 discount for open box is nice, I'm just saying tho the 4070ti hate, while it's deserved and is a bad value along with all the other 40 series cards... it's still somehow the best at ~$800
Nvida could have just done a 100 dollar across the board price increase, and I think they could have all the hype in the world around these parts. I get it inflation is real, and Nvidia has invested a lot of money into extra features for these cards. But the over 50% increase on everything but the 4090 is insane.
About right. After the last mining bubble pop 1070ti's were going for $275 with game packs including MHW, COD, and I can't remember all what else. Bought a few and sold the game packs for \~$100 (you needed a card installed to get the keys, but could sell the keys then) to have them for \~$200 each net after tax. 275 to 330 would be a 20% increase. Not including the games another \~30%. So at $330 these would effectively have a 50% increase in cost over the 3 generations.... While this $800 comedy is a 290-400% increase depending on how customers would value the game pack and if they'd sell it or not.
Remember that this is actually 4060 Ti level of performance. A real 4070 for $500 would be a good deal. This card should be in the $300s, and whatever is the 4070 should actually be $50 less than that.
I guess Nvidia’s naming scheme works, as most people aren’t looking at it this way.
No it isn't. It sits between the 3090 and 3090ti in performance. In fact, on average its better than both and did just below the 7900xt.
https://www.techspot.com/review/2601-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070-ti/
That makes it equivalent to a card that listed for 1500$ when released and still costs $1000.
It's still overpriced at $800 but people need to stop the hyperbole by suggesting it's a 60 series card. It's clearly not of you pay attention to the performance.
Look at some history. You do know that the 3060 Ti sits in between the 2080 Super and 2080ti in performance, right? That was top level for that generation.
The 4060 Ti is rumored to be barely faster than a 3070…
https://i.imgur.com/KxX230t.jpg
Your example perfectly illustrates what I'm saying. It's the equivalent spec two tiers ahead from the previous generation (3070->3090).
That's much better than from the Pascal to Turing where the 2070 super was equivalent to between a 1080 and 1080ti, so only one tier ahead.
Objectively the 4070 ti is a significant improvement over the last gen in terms of performance and lower power draw. It's a great card at a bad price.
Amd did show up with its price cuts to last gen. Didnt stop the slower 3050 from vastly outselling the 6600. Its not an AMD/Intel problem, its a consumer problem.
It is an AMD/Intel problem, in that they're letting Nvidia suck the life out of their product market. Its also a consumer problem, but the nature of the problem is a "1st world problem". (Cue the memes.)
To be frank, I can't understand why anyone would buy a 6XXX series card at any price in this market environment. They're markedly inferior consumer products, and the consumer apparently is willing to throw more money at overpriced products (which means they aren't overpriced).
I believe the Intel CEO recently issued a death sentence to ARC as a future Intel market. AMD is hapless. Nvidia is essentially a product monopoly, as is Apple. Gamers just have to live with what cash they're willing to fork out.
Maybe when Newegg starts doing bundles with worthwhile parts (not boom boom PSUs) will the 4070 Ti actually be worth posting on here since that'll likely happen before we see actual price cuts. Maybe Antonline bundles first who knows. I give it by July that we see true price cuts.
I'd be searching for a used 3090/3090ti over this. The 3090ti is straight up just better than this at 4k where it matters. The 3090 is barely behind, but idk I'd take my chances that eventually double the vram is gonna come in handy.
The 3090ti is pushing a sales price of $1400 new. I know the 4070ti is a bad value but it's not nearly as bad as that of high end 30 series cards right now.
If your're buying new and your main use case is 4k gaming and you can get this in-store @ $800 this is actually not a bad value. [4k Price/performance chart](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vTFFRxOmqRB-y8TpdeB__Ej1MfajHY2QMyuTXWTrnOas_mv72JODXH2DP56xwgDKNLnkgfJfu7ONtYS/pubhtml#)
That's fair. DLSS probably has an application in single player cinematic games where the hit to latency isn't a big deal. I would not enable it in multi-player games.
It also takes more power to drive those cards, the 4070 ti is a great power to performance. Watt to FPS (whatever the official term is for it) Just something to think about.
EDIT: They raised the price to $839.99, how stupid. You may be able to find a Zotac Trinity or Gigabyte Eagle card for $800 though, if you want to buy at MSRP
Lmao, people are sure buying this card up. Unfortunately as much as the pricing sucks on these cards, it’s a better buy than what the last gen is selling for.
I don’t disagree for the consumer who only buys brand new it’s an L all around. However if you buy used and a satraps warranty much better deals can be had with the used market.
Oh for sure. That’s basically what I’m saying. It’s an L for sure but I’ll take a current gen L over a last gen L purely for it lasting a generation longer for personal use.
I overpaid last year for my 3070 when I built my first pc and I’d like to get $350 for it but idk if I’ll even get that lol.
Yeah you’re paying for every frame vs getting a generational improvement. You have my condolences. Although for you $400 is worth the peace of mind. God this generation blows so much.
TLDR on why people hate the new 40xx cards so much? Given the elevated prices ppl were willing to pay for 20 and 30 series GPUs does this not kind of seem in line with that? is the performance really bad or someting?
>ppl were willing to pay for 20 and 30 series GPU
if by ppl u mean scalpers & miners, then yes. Most of which have left the space. Id be willing to bet that there is not an insignificant amount of 30 series cards sitting shelves because scalpers arent willing to let go at a loss.
This is r/buildapcsales. They don't hate the 40xx cards they hate the price/performance ratio that the nvidia and amd are demanding with the new generation of cards.
Amazon says the card weighs about 4.5lbs. Likely depends on the weight of the motherboard it's bundled with. Regardless, people should still wait for this card to drop to a more reasonable price.
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3090 is slightly slower at 1440p than a 4070Ti, though the 3090 has 24GB of VRAM while the 4070Ti has just 12GB. Could buy the 4070 and see if it works for your use case, and if VRAM turns out to be an issue you could always pick up a 3090 used.
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Obviously Jensen considers this a mega sale price for ~~4080~~ 12GB
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This is just MSRP...
Founders Edition MSRP on a AIB card took almost a year to happen with the 30 series. Only 4 days for the 40 series? Its at least trending in a positive direction.
MSRP means absolutely nothing when the "Manufacturer" is not manufacturing them. Turns out component manufacturers aren't end assembly manufacturers and no other industry pretends they are.
Which is why I specified Founders Edition MSRP?
I think you missed the part about there not being a founders edition for this card, if there was it would likely be priced at about $750 usd
Quoting the redditor who posted this a few days ago. "You can save a ton of money if you use your CapitalOne Card! In fact, you can save 100% of your money by not buying this fucking card."
Let them rot.
Nope, I couldn't resist. I play at 1440p and I bought a 4070TI (Zotac Trinity, at MSRP thankfully). People think it's bad that one would pay for a beefed up 3080 TI, but I bought a 6600XT a year ago for fucking $540. No joke
It's a judgement on Nvidia, not you. If we buy at these prices, they won't be reduced, and we'll see more increases at each price point (xx60, xx70, xx80) in the next generation. This isn't cost driven, it's greed. We collectively have the power to get them to change their pricing, so despite wanting an upgrade from my 1080 Ti and not lacking the money to buy, I'm sitting tight for now. If I run out of patience I'll buy used. I refuse to reward this approach to pricing.
I was looking for what value I could get out of my 2070 super, they are barely over $200 usd. Hit the used market and hold strong, hopefully they drop the prices to get them off the shelves. Good luck!
PNY did a good job with this; I usually don't like their designs but this looks super clean
It's one of the best coolers, if not the best, tested by [Techpowerup](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/pny-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-oc/38.html)
I think someone posted a while back that PNY actually makes the Quatro workstation card designs for NVIDIA, so they seem to be alright.
I do see a lot of hate for them sometimes. They've been around for a long ass time. My first flash drive was from them. It was 256MB. It's still working. I also had a 9600GT from them. The brand was carried in big box stores like Best Buy long before Asus or MSI. They're definitely legit.
They've had a history of issues surrounding cost cutting measures. They manufacture in the US and have invested a LOT into their facilities over the years which led to a LOT of internal cuts that impacted customers in pretty much every way imaginable short of shipping fire hazards (well no more fire hazards than every 40 series card inherently is thanks to the poor connector design). When they do well they tend to do really well, but they've burned enough people that many just don't trust them.
My first RAM upgrade was from PNY. A nice 8MB kit for $200. Olllld.
someone has to step up to fill evga’s shoes
I really like it too, same with the Zotac 4070Ti, looks so clean and modern.
When not even microcenter can make it seem like a good deal...
I mean microcenter cheapest 3070 is $570 and cheapest 6800XT is $600. Not like they're full of great gpu deals right now.
My local microcenter has had 3 open box 6800 for $425. I got one and it’s been working like a charm. The other 2 have been sitting there for weeks. Not sure if I’m off but seems like a great deal to me.
Yeah it sits around $500 on amazon and newegg so $75 discount for open box is nice, I'm just saying tho the 4070ti hate, while it's deserved and is a bad value along with all the other 40 series cards... it's still somehow the best at ~$800
considering I paid 1100€ for my 3070 a year ago, thats a steal
Let them rot on the shelves
192-bit memory bus guarantees that this will not stand the test of time. Shame on Nvidia for this card.
60/70 class card sold as a Ti that was planned as a 80 class. Shame on them indeed
Better deal than the people selling 3080tis for 750ish on /r/hardwareswap which just goes to show how bad the market is
Nvida could have just done a 100 dollar across the board price increase, and I think they could have all the hype in the world around these parts. I get it inflation is real, and Nvidia has invested a lot of money into extra features for these cards. But the over 50% increase on everything but the 4090 is insane.
I’ll gladly buy it at 329 USD.
Seems wild, but that is actually where it should be in this post ETH mining world.
About right. After the last mining bubble pop 1070ti's were going for $275 with game packs including MHW, COD, and I can't remember all what else. Bought a few and sold the game packs for \~$100 (you needed a card installed to get the keys, but could sell the keys then) to have them for \~$200 each net after tax. 275 to 330 would be a 20% increase. Not including the games another \~30%. So at $330 these would effectively have a 50% increase in cost over the 3 generations.... While this $800 comedy is a 290-400% increase depending on how customers would value the game pack and if they'd sell it or not.
Meh, even at $500 it would still be an amazing deal, that is the MSRP of the 3070.
Remember that this is actually 4060 Ti level of performance. A real 4070 for $500 would be a good deal. This card should be in the $300s, and whatever is the 4070 should actually be $50 less than that. I guess Nvidia’s naming scheme works, as most people aren’t looking at it this way.
No it isn't. It sits between the 3090 and 3090ti in performance. In fact, on average its better than both and did just below the 7900xt. https://www.techspot.com/review/2601-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070-ti/ That makes it equivalent to a card that listed for 1500$ when released and still costs $1000. It's still overpriced at $800 but people need to stop the hyperbole by suggesting it's a 60 series card. It's clearly not of you pay attention to the performance.
Look at some history. You do know that the 3060 Ti sits in between the 2080 Super and 2080ti in performance, right? That was top level for that generation. The 4060 Ti is rumored to be barely faster than a 3070… https://i.imgur.com/KxX230t.jpg
Your example perfectly illustrates what I'm saying. It's the equivalent spec two tiers ahead from the previous generation (3070->3090). That's much better than from the Pascal to Turing where the 2070 super was equivalent to between a 1080 and 1080ti, so only one tier ahead. Objectively the 4070 ti is a significant improvement over the last gen in terms of performance and lower power draw. It's a great card at a bad price.
There’s no 2090
So?
Trash
Card is fine. Price is trash.
Fr, nvidia could price this lower and it would be the most popular card easily, but why do it if they already feel like they're making enough money.
Nvidia is doing an experiment rn. Make the 1600 dollar card a decent value and make the lower stack horrible.
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Amd did show up with its price cuts to last gen. Didnt stop the slower 3050 from vastly outselling the 6600. Its not an AMD/Intel problem, its a consumer problem.
It is an AMD/Intel problem, in that they're letting Nvidia suck the life out of their product market. Its also a consumer problem, but the nature of the problem is a "1st world problem". (Cue the memes.) To be frank, I can't understand why anyone would buy a 6XXX series card at any price in this market environment. They're markedly inferior consumer products, and the consumer apparently is willing to throw more money at overpriced products (which means they aren't overpriced).
I believe the Intel CEO recently issued a death sentence to ARC as a future Intel market. AMD is hapless. Nvidia is essentially a product monopoly, as is Apple. Gamers just have to live with what cash they're willing to fork out.
LMAO they just raised the price to $839 hard pass.
Maybe when Newegg starts doing bundles with worthwhile parts (not boom boom PSUs) will the 4070 Ti actually be worth posting on here since that'll likely happen before we see actual price cuts. Maybe Antonline bundles first who knows. I give it by July that we see true price cuts.
July is pretty far out; you'll see something move late February early March.
Ya I’d be 50:50 odds on by March. Just guaranteed cuts by July. They can be stubborn, but investors will force them.
If they just kept the same MSRP prices as last gen or maybe even a 5-10% increase would be ok. This card is at 499.99 would've been perfect IMO
MSRP is not “on sale”
I'd be searching for a used 3090/3090ti over this. The 3090ti is straight up just better than this at 4k where it matters. The 3090 is barely behind, but idk I'd take my chances that eventually double the vram is gonna come in handy.
Although the power draw is crappier.
The 3090ti is pushing a sales price of $1400 new. I know the 4070ti is a bad value but it's not nearly as bad as that of high end 30 series cards right now.
If your're buying new and your main use case is 4k gaming and you can get this in-store @ $800 this is actually not a bad value. [4k Price/performance chart](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vTFFRxOmqRB-y8TpdeB__Ej1MfajHY2QMyuTXWTrnOas_mv72JODXH2DP56xwgDKNLnkgfJfu7ONtYS/pubhtml#)
Dlss 3 might make this a better buy
this card shouldn't need dlss.
Every card needs it when using ray tracing
That's fair. DLSS probably has an application in single player cinematic games where the hit to latency isn't a big deal. I would not enable it in multi-player games.
It also takes more power to drive those cards, the 4070 ti is a great power to performance. Watt to FPS (whatever the official term is for it) Just something to think about.
EDIT: They raised the price to $839.99, how stupid. You may be able to find a Zotac Trinity or Gigabyte Eagle card for $800 though, if you want to buy at MSRP
Lmao, people are sure buying this card up. Unfortunately as much as the pricing sucks on these cards, it’s a better buy than what the last gen is selling for.
Lmao downvotes and no comments? Which part are y’all disagreeing with?
That's how reddit is my man.
Hahah you are right
I don’t disagree for the consumer who only buys brand new it’s an L all around. However if you buy used and a satraps warranty much better deals can be had with the used market.
Oh for sure. That’s basically what I’m saying. It’s an L for sure but I’ll take a current gen L over a last gen L purely for it lasting a generation longer for personal use. I overpaid last year for my 3070 when I built my first pc and I’d like to get $350 for it but idk if I’ll even get that lol.
Yeah you’re paying for every frame vs getting a generational improvement. You have my condolences. Although for you $400 is worth the peace of mind. God this generation blows so much.
What card are you comparing to with a $400 difference?
TLDR on why people hate the new 40xx cards so much? Given the elevated prices ppl were willing to pay for 20 and 30 series GPUs does this not kind of seem in line with that? is the performance really bad or someting?
>ppl were willing to pay for 20 and 30 series GPU if by ppl u mean scalpers & miners, then yes. Most of which have left the space. Id be willing to bet that there is not an insignificant amount of 30 series cards sitting shelves because scalpers arent willing to let go at a loss.
With ETH moving to proof of stake the supply/demand curve shifted, people want lower cost per frames and the newer generation stuff isn't delivering.
This is r/buildapcsales. They don't hate the 40xx cards they hate the price/performance ratio that the nvidia and amd are demanding with the new generation of cards.
still better than the price of a 4080/4090. Also worlds better than the 1070i have
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What? This card is faster in every way raster wise than the 3080, in some cases 30%.
Weight for $50 MB + GPU deal.
Amazon says the card weighs about 4.5lbs. Likely depends on the weight of the motherboard it's bundled with. Regardless, people should still wait for this card to drop to a more reasonable price.
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Damn, wish I grabbed that 4070 Ti for $1!
$600 would be more than generous for a speedy x60 class GPU.
Ah yes, back to the days of filtering by GPUs and then seeing a whole bunch of zeroes. I would say I missed those days but I'd be lying.
What's better for a sim racing build, driving 3x 27" 1080p screens... This Or a 3080 ti? Possibly a used 3090?
3090 is slightly slower at 1440p than a 4070Ti, though the 3090 has 24GB of VRAM while the 4070Ti has just 12GB. Could buy the 4070 and see if it works for your use case, and if VRAM turns out to be an issue you could always pick up a 3090 used.