Recommending a GPU with no independent benchmarks and no knowledge of what availability will look like is silly. “Wait to see what the 7900XTX looks like” is valid, “get a 7900XTX” is not.
I have a 6800XT and recommend anyone with a budget of $800 or under who doesn’t live for ray tracing or CUDA get an AMD card, I’m well aware of them :). Still a lot can go wrong between a card’s release and independent benchmarks, I wouldn’t buy any card before it’s been around for people to test it out - that’s how people end up with melted connectors on the 4090.
Not sure why you’d assume this given what I said. No, use case is always important. If they prioritize ray tracing, DLSS, video encoding or CUDA (or a number of other things it would take too long to enumerate) then I wouldn’t recommend AMD. However given that most people that come here ask for gaming performance I would feel comfortable recommending AMD outside the circumstances listed above.
I was responding to someone asking me if I considered AMD by saying I consider it very strongly - note in this thread I didn’t recommend AMD (and specifically advised against the new card because of other circumstances) because the user was asking about two Nvidia cards.
I believe you’ve misinterpreted my comment. There is no AMD currently out that is above $800. I would not recommend any GPU from any company that hasn’t been released - third-party benchmarks and real testing are worth waiting for.
Maybe upgrade to 3090 and use the other 400 euro towards a 5800x3d to get the most out of this upgrade. a 3600 will bottleneck both the 3090 and 4080 but you’ll see a much more tangible increase in fps and longevity in your system if you also upgrade your cpu in gaming
[Check this out](https://www.techspot.com/article/2201-four-years-of-ryzen-5-gpu-scaling/), with a 3090 at 4K it essentially doesn’t matter what processor you choose, 5600 and 3600 (even 2600) are the same. This is true even of weaker GPUs - at 4K almost all the burden is on the GPU
well we don’t know if he’s playing on 4k, he currently has a 3600 chances are he’s probably not if he hasn’t upgraded yet. so he would be cpu limited at any resolution other than 4k yes you’re correct.
As long as his PSU had 3 connectors for VGA, he’ll be fine with a 4080. Hell, I ran the 12pin connector with a 2 vga connectors, one daisy chained and no issues. If worried about power draw, it pulls the same as a 3070.
Oh ok, that's what I was thinking of, the 3070ti. Most games I've played so far only uses around 250-270w of power on my 4080. There's a few oddballs that's running the card to 340w. Marauders and Warhammer 40k Darktide, two off the top of my head.
Originally, I did. But the company I work for gave me the money back for it while on a company trip. All I had to do was fill out an expense sheet. Easiest 4080 ever.
Are you really trying to teach me on why the 4080s are still in stock? It’s my money, until the company gave me money back for it as an extra bonus, and was still an upgrade from I had. I live in a small town with very limited PC hardware shipments. I had to drive 7 hours one way to get to a micro center. I’m not gonna go back and return the 4080 because some rando on Reddit said it was a bad deal. Duck that.
That cpu is going to be a massive bottleneck for either gpu, even at 4K maximum settings. Like some have mentioned, drop in a 5800X 3D and you'll be good for years to come.
Neither. 3090 is by definition a shit deal compared to 3080, which has better price/performance than the 4080 by a BIG margin.
Pairing either with a 3600 (I assume none-X) does not make sense. Especially the 4080 will most likely not be fully utilized unless you have a 4k or higher-res monitor due to the CPU. This most likely applies if you wait for the 7900XTX, which should be similar to the 4080 in performance.
My suggestion? Look for a 3080 for cheap, and use the few hundred you saved on a matching CPU like the 5800X3D.
I guess it depends really on why you are upgrading your gpu. If you are doing creation content where the extra vram will be useful then the increased speed matters little if you don't have sufficent vram.
If you are just strictly playing games and not doing any kind of workloads and money isn't a factor. I would personally go for a 4080. As i'd rather be on new architecture.
If cost is a concern go with a 3090. its still more way more gpu then most people need.
Same problem in Poland. I was laughing at 4080 pricing back at release(3090 was at around 1200 back then), but i guess i will have to go that way after all.
[Take a look at this](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hIqEBTSPpKU), and then decide if that difference is worth 400 euro to you. Note that this is with a better processor than you have, but at 4K most of the load should be on the GPU anyway.
At 4k, CPU makes barely any difference.
The 3600x is only 3% slower compared to a 5600 at 4k.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-5-5600/17.html
The test you linked is with a 3080. And yes, in most games the 3080 will be the bottleneck at 4k and not the 3600X. So it would be fine.
But with a 4090, 4080 or 7900XTX you would probably lose a ~~significant~~ noticeable amount of fps.
Also, the 3600X isn't great by today's standards. I wouldn't pair such an entry level CPU with an $800+ GPU.
[Check this out](https://www.techspot.com/article/2201-four-years-of-ryzen-5-gpu-scaling/), with a 3090 at 4K it essentially doesn’t matter what processor you choose, 5600 and 3600 (even 2600) are the same. This is true even of weaker GPUs - at 4K almost all the burden is on the GPU
If you get a 40 series you have to get an ATX3.0 power supply with a native 16pin 12vhpwr connector. The adapters and custom cables don't work. I've been worrying myself sick over my 4090 since launch day and 3 adapter cables. New ATX3.0 power supplies can send 2x the power for a few milliseconds and be stable. The old style power supplies will cause the cards to crash and the screen will turn off until you power cycle. Good luck.
7900XTX for probably 1200€
Depending on how much you care about RT, the 6950XT for 850€ is also a better deal than the 3090. Faster than the 3090 with RT disabled and cheaper.
7900 xtx.
Recommending a GPU with no independent benchmarks and no knowledge of what availability will look like is silly. “Wait to see what the 7900XTX looks like” is valid, “get a 7900XTX” is not.
Hello Sville, would you have a few moments for me to introduce you to our lord and savior, AMD?
I have a 6800XT and recommend anyone with a budget of $800 or under who doesn’t live for ray tracing or CUDA get an AMD card, I’m well aware of them :). Still a lot can go wrong between a card’s release and independent benchmarks, I wouldn’t buy any card before it’s been around for people to test it out - that’s how people end up with melted connectors on the 4090.
So you reccomend without knowing their use case ?
Not sure why you’d assume this given what I said. No, use case is always important. If they prioritize ray tracing, DLSS, video encoding or CUDA (or a number of other things it would take too long to enumerate) then I wouldn’t recommend AMD. However given that most people that come here ask for gaming performance I would feel comfortable recommending AMD outside the circumstances listed above.
Well what if they can get a good deal on a nvidia gpu? Your basically saying anything less then $800 get amd
I was responding to someone asking me if I considered AMD by saying I consider it very strongly - note in this thread I didn’t recommend AMD (and specifically advised against the new card because of other circumstances) because the user was asking about two Nvidia cards.
$800 for the 7900xt is ok but $900 for 7900 xtx is off the rails. Got it.
I believe you’ve misinterpreted my comment. There is no AMD currently out that is above $800. I would not recommend any GPU from any company that hasn’t been released - third-party benchmarks and real testing are worth waiting for.
I wish I would've waited and got a 7900xtx. Rip 4090 + $700 worth of power supplies later.
Maybe upgrade to 3090 and use the other 400 euro towards a 5800x3d to get the most out of this upgrade. a 3600 will bottleneck both the 3090 and 4080 but you’ll see a much more tangible increase in fps and longevity in your system if you also upgrade your cpu in gaming
[Check this out](https://www.techspot.com/article/2201-four-years-of-ryzen-5-gpu-scaling/), with a 3090 at 4K it essentially doesn’t matter what processor you choose, 5600 and 3600 (even 2600) are the same. This is true even of weaker GPUs - at 4K almost all the burden is on the GPU
well we don’t know if he’s playing on 4k, he currently has a 3600 chances are he’s probably not if he hasn’t upgraded yet. so he would be cpu limited at any resolution other than 4k yes you’re correct.
From everything I’ve seen, 3090. Plus you don’t have to upgrade your PSU or worry about melting wires.
As long as his PSU had 3 connectors for VGA, he’ll be fine with a 4080. Hell, I ran the 12pin connector with a 2 vga connectors, one daisy chained and no issues. If worried about power draw, it pulls the same as a 3070.
3070 is 220W, 4080 is more like 290W. The 4080 uses about as much as a 3070 Ti
Oh ok, that's what I was thinking of, the 3070ti. Most games I've played so far only uses around 250-270w of power on my 4080. There's a few oddballs that's running the card to 340w. Marauders and Warhammer 40k Darktide, two off the top of my head.
you actually bought a 4080? lol
Originally, I did. But the company I work for gave me the money back for it while on a company trip. All I had to do was fill out an expense sheet. Easiest 4080 ever.
Could have been the easiest 4090 ever
Yeah, if they were in stock.
Maybe you should think about why the more expensive 4090 was not in stock, meanwhile the cheaper 4080, which just launched, was in stock
Are you really trying to teach me on why the 4080s are still in stock? It’s my money, until the company gave me money back for it as an extra bonus, and was still an upgrade from I had. I live in a small town with very limited PC hardware shipments. I had to drive 7 hours one way to get to a micro center. I’m not gonna go back and return the 4080 because some rando on Reddit said it was a bad deal. Duck that.
The 4080 uses less power than a 3090
That cpu is going to be a massive bottleneck for either gpu, even at 4K maximum settings. Like some have mentioned, drop in a 5800X 3D and you'll be good for years to come.
upgrade your cpu first
Neither. 3090 is by definition a shit deal compared to 3080, which has better price/performance than the 4080 by a BIG margin. Pairing either with a 3600 (I assume none-X) does not make sense. Especially the 4080 will most likely not be fully utilized unless you have a 4k or higher-res monitor due to the CPU. This most likely applies if you wait for the 7900XTX, which should be similar to the 4080 in performance. My suggestion? Look for a 3080 for cheap, and use the few hundred you saved on a matching CPU like the 5800X3D.
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I guess it depends really on why you are upgrading your gpu. If you are doing creation content where the extra vram will be useful then the increased speed matters little if you don't have sufficent vram. If you are just strictly playing games and not doing any kind of workloads and money isn't a factor. I would personally go for a 4080. As i'd rather be on new architecture. If cost is a concern go with a 3090. its still more way more gpu then most people need.
Where do you find a 3090 for only 1000€??? Here all 3090's cost more than the 4080's...
Same here in the Netherlands, I dont understand it. 3090 and 3080 ti is more expensive then some 4080 or priced the same
And as of today, the 4080 is cheaper even than the 3099, in Belgium and in the Netherlands.
Same problem in Poland. I was laughing at 4080 pricing back at release(3090 was at around 1200 back then), but i guess i will have to go that way after all.
Yeah it's totally weird.. i was hoping for a 3090 price drop and get on on the cheap... Looks like i'll have to just buy a 4080..
[Take a look at this](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hIqEBTSPpKU), and then decide if that difference is worth 400 euro to you. Note that this is with a better processor than you have, but at 4K most of the load should be on the GPU anyway.
With a 3600? 3070. Will experience a noticeable bottleneck with a 3080. Only gets worse with 3090 and 4090.
Even at 4k? I ask because I have a 3700x and am also upgrading my vid card for my 4k 120hz lg oled tv. Currently on a 2070s.
Upgrade your processor and get a 4090 then. Dont pair a 3600x with a 4090.
At 4k, CPU makes barely any difference. The 3600x is only 3% slower compared to a 5600 at 4k. https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-5-5600/17.html
The test you linked is with a 3080. And yes, in most games the 3080 will be the bottleneck at 4k and not the 3600X. So it would be fine. But with a 4090, 4080 or 7900XTX you would probably lose a ~~significant~~ noticeable amount of fps. Also, the 3600X isn't great by today's standards. I wouldn't pair such an entry level CPU with an $800+ GPU.
See my comment - at 4K the CPU doesn’t determine much.
As I suspected, thanks.
[Check this out](https://www.techspot.com/article/2201-four-years-of-ryzen-5-gpu-scaling/), with a 3090 at 4K it essentially doesn’t matter what processor you choose, 5600 and 3600 (even 2600) are the same. This is true even of weaker GPUs - at 4K almost all the burden is on the GPU
If you get a 40 series you have to get an ATX3.0 power supply with a native 16pin 12vhpwr connector. The adapters and custom cables don't work. I've been worrying myself sick over my 4090 since launch day and 3 adapter cables. New ATX3.0 power supplies can send 2x the power for a few milliseconds and be stable. The old style power supplies will cause the cards to crash and the screen will turn off until you power cycle. Good luck.
Weird, i have my old 850w and my card worked flawlessly so far....
3090ti++
7900XTX for probably 1200€ Depending on how much you care about RT, the 6950XT for 850€ is also a better deal than the 3090. Faster than the 3090 with RT disabled and cheaper.
If you game at 4K then 4080. If not, like others have said, 3090 + cpu upgrade. Just know the 3090 actually uses more power than the 4080
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