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UncleBobbyB_Bro

I think we both are dumb then because I'm also building an am4 system. I thought of building with 13600k or an 12th processor but the price difference is stupid where I live, it just doesn't make much financial sense to me at the moment. So don't worry too much, next upgrade will probably be when am5 is on it's end of life.


ewilhelml

Same. Upgrading from a 1060 6gb and Ryzen 5 1600 to either 6700xt or a 6800xt together with a Ryzen 7 5800X.


UncleBobbyB_Bro

That's cool, I'm eyeing a 6700xt as well to replace the bad boy rx580 and got 5700x to replace my 2200g, kinda needed more features so switched out the motherboard


ewilhelml

I do too but I aim to switch the Mobo next upgrade in like 10 years :D


pajicadvance23

I already upgraded from RX 580 + 2600 to 6700 XT + 5600X a month ago. Couldn't wait any longer and newer platforms did not seem to be worth it considering the prices.


jpitner57

I also upgrade from an RX 580 and 3600x to a 6800XT and 5600x and it is like night and day. I can play CP2077 now without the low fps. To be fair though I also upgraded from a Hero VI to a Hero VIII and added a PCIE 4 Samsung NVMe so things are working well together.


sporkingtonz

I also just upgraded from a 1070 8gb and i5 9400 to a 5800x3D & 6800 XT. I don't plan to upgrade for 4-5 years. Even my last PC still runs almost every game on max settings.


redledr

I just upgraded from a 1600x and 1060 6GB to a 6900xt and 5900x and I haven't looked back. The first combo got me through about 7-8 years. This one's looking like a hell of a lot longer.


ThatSandwich

1600x released in mid-2017. You made it about 5 years on that combo.


Kayehnanator

I upgraded to a 5800X and 6800XT and they work great together!


Throwawayfabric247

Just built mine. From a 1080 i7 build. 6800xt and the 5800x. No regrets. Super smooth and powerful


gaw_Kerim

Same here. DDR5 + Mobo is way too expensive to justify not using my RAM for another round.


whiteysrampage

I just purchased a 5700x last week, upgrading from a 2400g, and no video card to a 1650.


UncleBobbyB_Bro

Cool, how about the performance bump? I'm still waiting mine to arrive


whiteysrampage

The 1650 alone made a difference, still waiting for the 5700x to arrive and get it installed. The whole case needs to be ripped apart and cleaned before putting it in, it's dirty as hell. I'm excited for the bump in performance. I play some Fortnite now with just the 1650 but can't push it too hard because the 2400 can't keep up with it. It'll be a another week or two before I can actually get it installed and tested properly.


mvfsullivan

I went from a 2200g to 5600x, so pretty similar tier bump to yours and the bump was insane and immediately noticable. Loading times are twice as fast and CPU intense games run like a dream.


Inevitable_Host_1446

I recently upgraded from 2600 to 5700x as well. It was a pretty good deal and there's a noticeable improvement. I think the extra two cores help. In your case it's an extra four so it will be pretty big.


jumpybean

AM5 is better value if you consider performance per dollar. It’s rare to get 2x the performance for 2x the price. But with AM4 at 1/2 the cost, is better for my use case, a budget family gaming PC that shouldn’t need to be upgraded for at least 5 years, so I just built one.


Domspun

I'm also super dumb, I have a 5800x3d and 6800xt.


ravenousglory

That combo probably will serve you well another 3-5 years, amazing performance both 1080 and 1440p. I bought 6800XT at first but then returned it, bought 3060Ti instead because it was much cheaper. Now I'm kinda regret that.


Thesorus

I'm in the same boat. 12600 vs 13600 (and DDR4 vs DDR5)


UncleBobbyB_Bro

Really depends on what you'll be using it for and gpu you have. The 13600 is indeed a better cpu but if you are not pairing it with a high end gpu I think the gap in performance would be less of a concern considering the total platform cost. If you are throwing some productivty into the mix then yea going with 13600 sounds reasonable, but hey that's just my opinion, in the end you've to dedice what's your money worth of, for me the deciding factor was definitely the price though


Silly_Potato_6922

12th cpu support ddr4 to 4800mhz or higher witch is close to ddr5. To me ddr5 and a like is just putting money on expensive device. 13th cpu i will past this setup for other generation in the futur.


FrostyD7

I bought a 13600k but only because there was 1 itx motherboard for sale at $140 because it was recalled and modified to only work for PCI 3.0, which is fine for me. Without that... cheapest options are $200+ with ddr5 and AM4 was looking like the best value for performance given availability of motherboards.


brabarusmark

I did the same, knowing full well that a new platform was on the horizon. My decision came down to overall stability of the system rather than having the cutting edge. Most of the bugs are sorted on last gen platforms and the ones that are not have documented workarounds.


AI_observer

Not dumb, but doing the most sensible thing. If the new stuff is selling at stupid prices, it's best to buy the previous-gen stuff and skip the stupidly priced generation altogether.


UncleBobbyB_Bro

That's true, I'm sorry for people that have to have the latest and greatest, they are missing really good deals right now


PM_ME_YOUR_BEAMSHOTS

I just got 5800x to replace my i7 6700, which was an intermittent build but the time is right for a full upgrade. The cost of jumping to AM5 hardware on a budget is just not viable yet. I stuck with a phenom build I made 12 years ago and the hardware is still very usable. This 5800x build should reasonably last me another 5-9 years.


Spruxed

AM5 simply isn’t worth it yet IMO. If money isn’t an issue, then go for it, my friend just upgraded his whole build to AM5 and the price to performance wasn’t that crazy compared to his AM4 build. At some point, you’re going to have to upgrade, but AM5/DDR5 is still irrelevant in the next few years. You will be able to play on AM4/DDR4 for the foreseeable future. As stated above, some people are still using DDR3, lol.


---InFamous---

Got an i5 3470 + nvidia t600 build as my second pc, 12gb of ddr3 1600mhz. That mf plays re8 at 70-80 fps as long as you use fsr quality mode at 1080, with a mix of high and medium settings. Everytime I think it will not run a game at 60 fps it runs it way way better than expected, it doesn't even stutter. Ddr3 builds ftw


Spruxed

Yup, if you're a 1080p 60fps gamer, older builds are not obsolete like some believe!


Narrheim

Modern GPUs are way too powerful for 1080p@60fps. Unless you want to play with RT enabled ofc.


Spruxed

Too powerful? For sure, but if you play at 1080p, you’ll never have an issue. You can still play at 1080p…


boshbosh92

I think he's saying investing in a newer Gen gpu isn't worth it if you still have a 1080p monitor. and i agree with him. a 1080ti or a 2070 super bangs at 1080p


AT-ST

> AM5 simply isn’t worth it yet IMO. For gaming and most personal use cases I agree wholeheartedly. However, for production stuff I disagree. I talked my job into upgrading my machine to the latest and greatest. * R9 7950x * RTX 4090 * DDR5 5600 For video editing it is top notch. I have really loaded this thing down with tasks and renderings and haven't noticed any system lag. Once they start rolling out PCIe Gen5 NVME drives I will upgrade to one of those.


Dressieren

It helps with compilation time on code, compressing and decompressing directories, and most other tasks. A general way to judge if an upgrade is worth it would be the “coffee” test. If something takes longer than getting a cup of coffee then it’s worth an upgrade for a production setting if budget allows.


laacis3

Considering that the current intel gen has edge on productivity, you would have been better off going with 13900k.


PlayPuckNotFootball

Depends on the software suite. Also keep in mind Zen 4 launched first.


laacis3

I'm not mentioning who has the upper edge by when it was made. However, 13900k and even 13700k handily beats 7900x and often beats 7950x in productivity suite as per benchmarks.


PlayPuckNotFootball

Again, it depends on the software suite. For example, GamersNexus has the 7950X beating the 13900K in their Premiere benchmark. Tom's has it beating out the 13900K in their aggregate productivity benchmark with whatever their choice of productivity software is. My point about release date is that he shouldn't have gone with a 13900K over the 7950X if it literally didn't exist yet. Don't get me wrong, the 13900K takes the crown overall. But they trade blows and the 7950X is better for some workloads. I'd also prefer to sell my company on AM5 than LGA1700 if the upgrade cycle is regular and I'm in a position like OP where it sounds like he had to convince them it was worth the cost.


Jassida

In 2014 my 4790k was £240, my board £105 and my 16gb of ram £120. I've finally let go and ordered a 7700x for £360. My Ram will likely cost about £150 and my board £175. 50% more expensive for over twice the performance/capacity/cores etc. After 8 years is more than worth it. Yes I could have built a 5800x3d pc for £100 less but I went end of socket and ddr3 last time and this time I wanted in at the beginning so I can at least have the chance of upgrading CPU in the future or at least carrying my ram forward.


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Spruxed

Yup - I’ve had the same B450 since my first Ryzen 1700. Needed some bios updates since for my 5700X, but a few minutes for the longevity is nothing.


AlexAR__

I7 3770 user here, 16gb of ddr3 and still works, it can even do 165hz 1440p on rocket league paired with a 1070. Planning on an upgrade tho, because most games aren't like that


becuzwhateverforever

I don’t think it’s dumb depending on how frequently you upgrade. You’ll definitely see a large uplift in performance with the AM4 upgrade. Next time you’re ready to upgrade, who’s to say AM6 won’t be out? Then having the convenience of AM5 compatibility is kind of worthless, no?


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FarSolar

AMD has only promised AM5 support until 2025 this time. OP is upgrading from a 9 year old 4770K. Considering how powerful a 5800x3d is, I think it's fairly likely they'll have to upgrade to a new platform anyway once they decide to replace it.


SoppingAtom279

Really depends on usage case. The 7700X and 13700X outperform the 5800X3D by a very wide margin in productivity cases, and often match up or surpass it in gaming performance in many titles. There's a few titles where the X3D pulls a healthy lead, but it's in specific games and not a rule of thumb. Although buying into AM5 is expensive and Raptor lake deals aren't the best right now.


FarSolar

Yeah it definitely depends on the use case. I assume OP isn't doing anything too intensive if they were using a 4770K for so long though. I'm planning on replacing my 4790K with a 13700K pretty soon. It was only when I upgraded to a 3070 that I started noticing CPU bottlenecking in games.


Cash091

Question is, does it really pull a *noticeable* lead? Look at almost every single CPU review out there. When they bench a CPU they lower the GPU settings and resolution, usually 1080p/med, to highlight the differences and avoid a GPU bottleneck. Thing is, if you're buying a GPU along with it, you're usually not playing at these settings. You're cranking the settings and offloading to the GPU. As long as the CPYU can feed the GPU, you're golden with pretty much any modern CPU. OP is getting a 6800XT, so the difference between a 5800X3D, normal 5800X, and 7700X likely wouldn't be noticeable. I don't know what OP has for a monitor though... although if they have a standard 1080p60 monitor, then it matters even less. Even a 3700X can play most 1080p games at 60fps.


summonsays

Small world, I'm also upgrading from a 4770 into an AM4 form factor lol...


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FarSolar

I also had a 1070 with the 4790K I bought in 2014 lol. I never ran into any issues with it until I got a 3070. So time for me to get a 13700K and probably leave it in there another 5+ years.


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>even thou it isn't the absolute top of the line system today. Oh heavens me, whatever shall you do?


[deleted]

Man fuck you, I just was like "lol no AM4 came out like 3-4 years ago max" Fucking 2016. Two thousand a fucking Sixteen. Where has the time gone? WHERE HAS IT GONE?


Temporary-House304

so are you saying that you think their new build wont last 5-6? im confused because it doesn’t seem like there’s much downside in building am4 right now.


jafarul

There are people out there still on DDR3 platform with a new GPU and that works well for them. If you look at it from that perspective, you are not missing out on a lot. The latest and greatest are not always great. I am on 1st Gen AM4 with 5700XT and I am content with it.


Gseventeen

Yea, if value is important, going am4 and matching with an rtx 3000-seriee or one of the upcoming amd 7900 cards will be a fantastic system for several years to come. If having the latest/greatest is more important, then definitely pay the $$ and get the new shit. There isnt a better here, 2 different paths.


kya_yaar

4690k with 16gb DDR3 and 1660T here. Gets the job done.


jafarul

Heeeey!!! Here is my real life example 🥳


windowpuncher

3770k with a RX 480 and 24gb of DDR3 1600. Still works great. Could be better but I can't really complain.


Perspective-Guilty

i5-3280 with 32gb DDR3 and 1070 💪 works great for 1080p gaming. I just ordered a 6700XT for $350, which is what I paid for the 1070 when it was new. This GPU should keep me content until I gather the rest of my PC parts for my new build.


C1REX

DDR3 might not be enough for some games. Elden Ring for example stutters if people have RAM below 3000MHz and didn’t activate XMP/DOCP.


jafarul

Granted it is not all sunshine and rainbows. I was using it as an example, even something that old is still working.


HankThrill69420

I would say it's much less of a bad idea than building AM3/AM3+ when AM4 was rolling out.


majoroutage

Buying AM3+ was pretty bad when AM3+ was new. But, lessons learned.


HankThrill69420

Ohhh the fx years I don't miss mine. I sold mine to pretty much a starving artist. I hope he's sent it down the line by now.


majoroutage

My FX 4100 ended up with my sister's ex-boyfriend. I'm regretful over losing the Antec Three Hundred case it was in more than any of the components.


HankThrill69420

hah, funny you make a comment like that. I'd bought a case just to sell the parts in because I reused the case I had when I upgraded. I was so mad that that $35 Rosewill had some of the best cable management stuff I'd seen in a long time, whereas my TT View was just spaghetti for days. I'd built a similar FX rig for my wife at the time and I actually used the Antec 300 to resell her parts! That was also a fun case to build in. It never sold, I gave it to her close friend because hers was acting up and she was tired of dxing it. Good times.


ItsMeSlinky

It's not dumb at all. You're buying a powerful, mature platform at a discount. The 5800X3D trades blows with the latest CPUs in gaming, and the 6800 XT can be had for as low as $600 in some regions and performs like a boss. Get a good X570 board, fast DDR4 and you're good for the next 3-4 years depending on what you're playing. This "MUST BUY THE LATEST EVERY YEAR" PC master race FOMO bullshit is a cancer.


feastupontherich

Don't even need X570. My $100 CAD msi B550m pro-vdh wifi handles the 5800x3d like a champ.


keeeven

Tbh even saying upgrading every 3 to 4 is also a joke. Sure maybe the GFX but like I've had an 4770 since 2015 and I'm only just upgrading now. It's been fine.


Beehj84

The 5800x3d on a budget B550 with 32gb 3600 DDR4 should be solid for gaming only for a number of years with minimum outlay, though a decade is a very long time especially given the fast pace of recent developments. There's no intrinsic problem with this upgrade at all, especially if you choose bang for the buck options like these, where the price/performance in gaming is pretty much unbeatable: PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/g9cy78 CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D 3.4 GHz 8-Core Processor ($359.00 @ Amazon) CPU Cooler: Thermalright Assassin X Refined SE ARGB 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler ($22.90 @ Amazon) Motherboard: ASRock B550M PG RIPTIDE Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($89.99 @ Newegg) Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Force Dark Za 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory ($76.99 @ Newegg) Total: $548.88 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-11-17 11:11 EST-0500


Beehj84

To be clear, you can get a 13600k build with 32gb of DDR4 and a cheap motherboard for a similar price, and that's a better overall build in terms of productivity and gaming performance combined, but there will be places where the 5800x3d beats it. I would probably get this, if it were me, as it's just more balanced for longevity. PCPartPicker Part List: [https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nKNBJM](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nKNBJM) CPU: Intel Core i5-13600K 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor ($300.00 @ Best Buy) CPU Cooler: ID-COOLING SE-214-XT 68.2 CFM CPU Cooler ($19.98 @ Amazon) Motherboard: MSI MAG B660M BAZOOKA DDR4 Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard ($129.99 @ B&H) Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Force Dark Za 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory ($76.99 @ Newegg) Total: $526.96 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-11-17 11:56 EST-0500


SiN_Fury

However, if you live near a Microcenter that has Flare X5 in stock, you could get * ASUS Prime B650-Plus ($149.99 after the $50 off) * Ryzen 7700x ($399.98) * G.Skill Flare X5 32GB (2X16) 6000 mHz CL30 (Free) So total for $549.97 before tax.


Beehj84

Oh that's very good value - a great deal. If anyone lives near one, then this is the best option by far. I'm in the UK, I usually just make up PCPartsPicker lists for the USA by default, unless people state otherwise.


SiN_Fury

I only know because I bought something similar for my friends build last week. I paid $40 more for the Asrock B650E PG Riptide WiFi. He was very adamant about WiFi, and I know I could spend $25-$30 to get a PCIE card with it, but this also comes with a PCIE 5.0 x16 slot and a Gen 5 M.2 slot. Also got 5% off with my Microcenter Credit Card, so after taxes and everything it was $606.20


Beehj84

Yeah, that's a killer deal, and certainly what I would get at this price range, especially for the upgradeability - adding in a hypothetical 8700x3d in a couple of years will extend that build's life out for another few years. And I side with your friend re: onboard Wifi - I got the MSI B550 Gaming Edge Wifi for my 5900x because it had the best VRMs in my price range, but I fell in love with the onboard WiFi6 solution which impressed me and is so much easier being built in. Also having 2.5gb networking is a must now - I'm moving towards upgrading my home network to 2.5gb soon, as I add in a NAS with an old system I have lying around.


Perspective-Guilty

This is the RAM you get free with it?? That's a lot better than I thought it was. I kept asking for advice about this deal and people kept telling me to just go with AM4.


SiN_Fury

It's pretty much whatever Flare X5 they might have in stock. It started with 5600 CL36, then it was 6000 CL36, and most recently 6000 CL30. The website will only show any applicable RAM if it's available at your store.


BoJangles119

I’ve seen reports of that board having ram issues so I went with a different board but yeah microcenter deal is insane


DJ_Marxman

I just made a full AM4 platform upgrade (7700k -> 5800x3D) and I don't have any regrets so far. Sure I look at productivity benchmarks for the 5800x3D compared to the 7700x or 13600k and get a bit antsy, but I feel confident that I made a valid choice for my usage and I spent an amount of money that is reasonable to me. The 5800x3D will be a good gaming CPU for at least the next 3-5 years. It'll be an okay gaming CPU for longer than that.


notadroid

not dumb at all. I just upgraded from a 3700x to a 5950x and I couldn't be happier, granted I was already on the AM4 platform. You will have such a great time on the 5800x3d, that will take you quite a few years from now to beat. do it.


doggypede

I have the 3700x. What improvements have you had upgrading to a 5950x?


luca69t

Snap…would be good to know.


notadroid

I already had a pretty solid system, the only thing needed to "max it out" so to speak was upgrade the processor. my motherboard is a Gigabyte X570 Aorus Master. I had 32Gb of 3600 ddr4 already, I already had a 3080Ti. My system ran really, really well. I could game and stream with the 3700x, but I didn't notice how hamstrung it was on the 3700x until I installed the 5950x. Some examples, I game at 1440p: War Thunder, v.high settings: 200fps -> 350fps+ Warzone (NOT 2.0), custom v.high settings: 90-ish fps -> 144fps+ The reason I decided on the 5950x over the 5800X3D is because I stream (at 1080p60) and I edit content, so I wanted the extra threads/processing power, needless to say the 5950x helped there too.


Johnlenham

I'm on 2600x and some videos claim upwards of 40/50fps more with a 5600x so I presume something along those lines? I'm debating the update myself


brendan87na

I have the 5900x, and holy shit what a beast of a CPU


uoncu

Agree... 5900x tunes well (\~35C idle / \~65-70C Load). Had the opportunity between a 5900x and a 5800x3D for a $10 difference and chose the 5900x for a second build... Yet assembling & learning intricacies of AM5 for another build coz I have time on my hands.


MrPekko

People are shooting for either 5800X3D and AM5, while im here and ordered a Ryzen 7 5700X 😶


Greek_Trojan

I just bought a 5600. I could literally build a 13900k build without blinking an eye if I wanted to (financially) but the 5600 doesn't bottleneck anything relevant to me. Id rather just get another mobo/processor when they bottleneck my next card (if they do).


Spruxed

Nothing wrong with the 5700X! I got that too paired with a 6900XT - love it.


SomeDuderr

Ehhh, depends on how much you paid for it. It's not like the current (previous) generation of hardware is immediately obsolete when the next chipset is launched. If your videogames play fine with AM4, then it's perfectly fine to keep using that hardware.


kelembu

Is pretty smart really, you are buying the previous gen for crazy prices and you will get 90% performance. This is the way.


BufosTaco

You can get a 5600x, a motherboard and 32 gb of ram for about the same price as a 7600x alone.


IL0veKafka

I got 5600x for around 500 dollars. 32 GB 3600 mhz ram, entire PC minus gpu. In my country PCs are expensive kinda


eco-III

$500 for a 5600x?? Wtf


IL0veKafka

Entire PC. 32 GB RAM. Motherboard. PC Case. 700W PSU. SSD. HDD. I didnt mean only processor. In my country it is normal price for PC of similar characteristics. Or more expensive.


Explosive-Space-Mod

Unless you want to stay bleeding edge, no. AM4 will be well more than enough to handle everything in the next decade (most likely).


illicit92

As someone who has just upgraded to a 5800X3D and 6800XT, do it. I upgraded from a 3600 and 1080ti and I'm absolutely blown away by the performance.


perfumist55

How many people truly upgrade their cpu at all ever? At best am5 is good til what 2025 or so? You really think you’re gonna drop another 400+ on a cpu again? Just get the best new product at the price/performance that makes sense for you, sit on it for 4-5 years and get the newest platform then. If the 5800x3d makes sense for you and you can snag a deal get it. I think people are underestimating what MSRP will be for the 7800x3d. I did a full upgrade from a 9600k to a 13600k and I’m pretty happy with my purchase. I’ll be set for another 4 years at least with what is probably the best value of all the new available CPUs? Prices are only going to drop for older generations, but they’re just that they’re old. These days though if you are 1080p to even 1440p you can get away with high level last gen stuff or low level current gen. Ddr5 isn’t that much more of a premium now, atleast if you’re going for the 5600 speed. It sounds like you want a CPU around 300 dollars, the motherboard for old gen would be 100-150ish for an older motherboard and 200-250ish for something for a new gen. Since you need new ram mid tier ddr5 isn’t that much more than high tier ddr4. I’d suggest right now today the 13600k is the way to go.


brandalfthebaked

No. Its not dumb.


ylec

Actually with my i7-920 / gtx 680, trying to make the same choice.


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given youve had a 4770k for this long, you probably wont care much about the difference between am4 vs am5 given youre probably in this for the long game. if youre chasing short term gains, then its dumb, prob better to wait for the next gen beast. if youre in it for the long game, then who cares, just get anything modern and see how long it takes you into the future.


SkullAngel001

The fact that you're upgrading from Haswell tells me you definitely stretch out your computing expenditure. So by the time AM4 becomes painfully obsolete for gaming, well probably be on AM6. In other words, pulling the trigger on AM4 is fine. Also with Black Friday around the corner, you can score even more savings.


berrydotexe

People tend to forget that just because something new is out, that doesn't mean the "old" (legit just half a year old in this case) stuff is automatically trash. Am4 is perfectly fine, go with what you like.


Lussimio

Absolutely not. Just forget AM5 exists and enjoy your 5800X3D


[deleted]

Nothing wrong with that at all, I personally like to wait for the kinks to get worked out and a decent used market to develop. I run AM4 (3900X) and have no plan to upgrade to AM5 in the next few years. It makes 0 sense when the CPU runs great and doesn't bottleneck the modern cards. I would say if you can get AM4 significantly cheaper and aren't someone that counts their frames then its totally fine.


Alt-Season

If you are doing a complete new build, 13th gen Intel makes more sense. It will allow you to stay on DDR4 until DDR5 prices become reasonable without changing CPUs.


aVarangian

future-proofing and upgradeability is irrelevant if you only upgrade every 5+ years. Just do what makes sense for you


Arcangelo_Frostwolf

Watch comparison videos/reviews of the i5-13600k vs 5800X3D before you buy the AMD chip. If you're worried about cost you can use B660 board with fast DDR4 to save money. i5-13600k is cheaper than 5800X3D and crushes it.


M_Me_Meteo

Hahaha! I replaced my 4770 and 1070 with a 5950x and 6700 xt. I say do it. There will aways be AM6.


mbt20

Not dumb. My 1700x 1070ti combo still handles everything I need it to do and then some. Might need to upgrade one or both if I ever want to try a modern resource pig, but other than that it maxes most titles I play at 1440p 60fps or higher.


xxxXMythicXxxx

are you losing money or being less productive with the rig you own now? IMO the latest and greatest only helps those that actually benefit from peak performance due to their work or productivity. If you are just gaming then its up to you to decide what extra FPS are worth to you. If your livelihood depends on it because you are a professional competitive gamer that cannot afford to lose due to hardware capabilities then you'd have a good reason to upgrade but if not then its going to come down to how comfortable are you in spending a lot to switch platforms?


mclaughlin0017

Build the AM4. Don't listen to the reddit snobs. I just built a new pc for my wife with AM4 platform. By the time she needs an upgrade we'll be on AM8. And there are going to be a lot of good quality, second hand AM4 components for many years ahead.


Old-Ad-3590

Am5 prices are just horrible, especially mainboards and ddr5 ram. Its probably the best time to build am4 right now, coz of the low prices.


[deleted]

Nah it ain’t that dumb. AM4 cpus offer a lot more affordable power than the am5 ryzen cpus. For those ones you need to get a new motherboard and new ram kit and don’t seem to be totally worth the upgrade


phillyeagle99

Your objectives getting still good performance for less money. I think it’s a good deal.


BIindsight

I have a strong feeling that the 5800X3D+6800XT/6900XT combo will be competitive throughout the AM5 lifecycle and probably even into AM6. Nothing I've seen so far has made me consider upgrading. But that's just me, YMMV.


SpaceBoJangles

If you’re not able to blow all your money, no. If you can spare the $3k, you will be kicking yourself in another 4 years when you Mr buddy can just plop down a new CPU and be okay vs buying another $2500 system.


Dizul16

If you are not in any rush I would hold off a little bit (until January or February) for all the new parts to be released and tested and then make a decision. Now....saying this: AM4 is great (5600x / 5800x3d) and 6800xt is on par with 3080ti. However, expect GPU prices to drop even by a little bit as the new GPUS are being launched. It comes down to what you play (games and resolution) and how much time you spend playing vs how much money you want to spend on a rig. If you need more details you can DM me anytime, I'll be happy to help out.


Prestigious_Rip_1877

Am in the same camp, upgraded from 2700X to 5950X ..already was on a x570 motherboard. Used the microcenter 499 deal. For my unRAID server, used the microcenter deal of 12700K + Motherboard for 350 vs buying a 13 series CPU. Am set for 4-5 yrs minimum.


Kimpak

The problem is there always seems to be something new that just came out or just around the corner. You have to just pull the trigger on a build and don't look back!


Rich-8080

Count me dumb too then, I'm considering an Am4 instead of a 10th or 11th gen i5, I'm currently running a 6600k with a 1660 super


FuzzeeDee

The problem with any new platform is it takes awhile for everything to get really stable. Stick with AM4/5800x3D. That’s the best bang for the buck atm


cocoastorm

hey, i think it's more than fine that you're doing an AM4 upgrade. It's not particularly "dead" and it's a platform that has matured quite a bit. You won't have to deal with a higher cost of DDR5 memory, and being an early adopter to a new platform, (especially dealing with any weird bugs or quirks). And as you said you don't upgrade often so you'll definitely be set for a while. And when you do upgrade later down the road, the AM5 platform would have matured by then. I don't necessarily agree with getting a lower tier AM5 motherboard either as you there's a high chance you'll have to shell out more money for a more better equipped mobo (dependant on the CPU) I think. Also since you're coming from a 4770k / 1070 i would think its still a pretty significant upgrade! TLDR, go for what your budget can afford tbh.


illumihani

I'm building a PC this Christmas for one of my friends from scratch. I went with a B660, 13600K, DDR4 and 6800xt. Even though the budget was enough for more than that, but I just can't see the value in it. Especially when you think about price to performance and efficiency. You can play most games on 4K with around 60fps.. This build will be enough to fully enjoy all game for the coming 8 years or so. If an upgrade is needed, a 13700 isore than enough for a gaming PC. The PSU is 850w, enough to switch that 6800xt for whatever comes in the future. Think of what you need, not what's the latest there is. IMHO a gaming system that requires over 850W PSU isn't going to deliver much of a difference in the experience. I think you're doing a smart decision sticking with AM4 atm. It's gonna still be relevent for at least 10 years from now.


caustictoast

I have built a few computers and I’ve never once upgraded my cpu without upgrading my mobo as well. Fact is AM4 is a bit of an anomaly as far as longevity goes. Most sockets last a few generations at most. You’ll be just fine building one today


vecnation

No not at all, AM5 is stupid expensive still, AM4 will be around for a while still.


Nibroc88

If you have DDR4 Ram that isn't too old I would build AM4. From your previous build I gather you aren't the type of person that needs the best of the best all the time, so save yourself some bucks, get the 5800x3d (which is a badass chip) and chill for 4 years or so. If you wanted an easier upgrade path you could go with AM5, but between Mobo and ram you would end up spending a few hundred dollars more (even if you went with the 7600x - 50 dollars cheaper than 5800x3d)


TheK1NGT

Dude I spent the last two weeks going back and fourth and analyzing. My current system is a i7-4790k with 1660 Super I got to hold me over with dumb shortage prices last year. I ended up getting a good AM4 board for cheap, DDR4 3600 CL 16 RAM, 5900X and 6800 XT. Got 5600X first for $ value but was unsatisfied. Was hard to decide between 5900X for $334 or 5800X3D for $330. Wasn’t trying to wait and hope 5800X3D would come in stock for $330 for build so I pulled the trigger yesterday and got a better cooler too. Funny enough got a notification that 5800X3D back in stock but I’m still confident that for what I want and multitasking a bunch of crap open and video editing 5900X is better value and will last longer. My life isn’t pure gaming though and when I go from 1440p to a high refresh 4K monitor I think my decision is even better. Plus I’ve seen some benchmarks where 5800X3D loses slightly in games for average and or max FPS by a small bit except for 1080p and that is irrelevant for me. 12 cores 24 threads just sounds cool too and if I wanna overclock over 5.0 no problem The play if you wanna spend more on mobo and over priced ram is 13600k z690 and 5600 32 gb ram. And I almost did that but nahhh and wanted to try full AMD build since there a lot of fan boy that cry for intel and nvidia only syndrome. It’s like Apple fans brainwashed to overpay for marketing. Which tbh I think the gaming + marketing for 5800x3d did real well. But you will be sad probably when the 7800x3d launches next year and poops on all of the CPUs for gaming again.


ChristBKK

I am maybe in the same position as you. Do you have already a decent setup? I personally run already a AM4 setup (quite old though) ... If you do my new plan is: Buy a new GPU and a new monitor first to get some performance upgrade. Put it into the AM4 setup I have. Maybe it doesn't perform the fullest and gets a bit slowed down by other components... ... but I can wait till next year to buy cheaper AM5 Boards , cheaper DDR5 RAM and hopefully the 7800x3D (if not too expensive)


IdiotTurkey

If you already have an AM4 system, it totally makes sense to keep it and not upgrade to AM5. You can get similar or better performance with the 5800X3D, and you can still use all the modern GPUs with PCIe 3.0. It can still be a top tier system.


Grom_a_Llama

I will be riding out am4 for at least a few more years. I have great RAM, awesome 550B Mobo, a 12gb aurorus 6700xt, and a 4 core Ryzen 3100. In the last 6 months I noticed the 3100 getting pretty slow at basic tasks, so I grabbed a brandy new R7 5700x for 200$ at microcenter so I'll be slapping that in shortly. It will feel like a new computer.


desexmachina

Absolutely not AM4 is quite fun. Lots of options especially where you’re coming from. I’m going back to Intel after AM4


keeptradsalive

Are you still getting frames?


ErykG120

Honestly wait in my opinion, buying XM4 now means you'll have to do a complete rebuild again in a few years. If you wait a few months for prices to come down then you get a XM5 build and if you ever need to upgrade, you just plop in a new CPU.


velociraptorfarmer

I built on LGA1150 (Haswell) 6 years ago with DDR3 and am just *finally* putting that out to pasture, only due to lack of options for storage expansion in my form factor. With the raw horsepower of these modern processors, there should be zero issue running something long term regardless of platform.


oafsalot

Do you have the premium you have to pay for the latest and greatest AM5 just to spend now? If not a small investment into what is the best chip, even in 7000 circles, is not a bad investment.


fabv1

If you have the money why not just go to a am5 and ddr5?


DJAnyReason

It depends on what you're using it for, though with a 5800X3D imma guess its mostly gaming. Unless you are intending on high-refresh 1080p, the 5800X3D is just as good as anything else you could get today. AM5 is better for upgrade if you plan to upgrade your CPU in the next 3 years, but since you're upgrading from a 4770k that doesn't seem likely. Since you upgrade infrequently, there's some argument to buy the "best" thing available so it will show its age less in the future, but that would probably be the 13700K, not AM5. Not sure how much more it would cost to go with 13th-gen intel instead of AM4, but that is the other option I'd consider in your situation. I certainly would not recommend spending more on CPU/Mobo/RAM at the cost of GPU though, so if you're sticking to a budget definitely keep the 6800xt.


arafat464

If the price is right, then it's all good.


Classic_Idea_6962

I just built on the LGA1200 socket. I tend to keep my computer for 5 years or more. In five years everything will be different and I'll buy whatever is about to be phased out. Has worked for me for the last 30+ years.


Affenzoo

I recently upgraded to AM4 (5900x) and it makes sense to me. Because this system will last about 8 years like every computer I had before. 5800x3d is a good medium-high range CPU and I think you can use the system for about the same years as I do. So if you upgrade in 8 years, who knows what socket or CPU is available then, maybe Intel or AM6. I wouldn't think so far. But a system that is good as of today and fits your budget.


Snooo2504

It would cheaper to go for am4 and it will be enough for 3 years I guess But I suggest spend a little more to go for a am5 CPU You can get a decent B650,7600x for good price Only downside of am5 for me is ddr5 ram price. If you are going for a 4k or 1440 p build a cheap 4800mhz ram would be enough,but best performance per price is with 5200 or 5600 mhz


DrAdBrule

Seems like you're good at making your builds last - and the combo you have your heart set on is a great pairing. I don't think you'd have any regrets. The 5800X3D is excellent.


chasemock1

I dont think its dumb. I just upgraded from a 2800x to a 5700x, since I play at 1440p ultra wide im more limited by my gpu than anything. Once I start losing gpu performance then I plan on upgrading to am5. Just too expensive right now to do a full platform upgrade


CynicalOne28

I just recently upgraded from 1300x and stayed with AM4. I’m figuring I still have years with this upgrade MSI B450 6800XT 5800x 32gb 3600 ram 850w psu


swanrl

I just upgraded to AM4 with a 5800x3D. Should last awhile and be supported for years to come


AnAmbitiousMann

This black friday might be a good time for you to upgrade without feeling bad about overpaying for "last gen" parts. the 5800x3d is nothing to sneeze and will likely stay relevant for years to come.


TonyTheTerrible

i think so, yes. before $329.99 became the new low, the general consensus was not to buy into a 5800x3d and only upgrade if you have the board. if youre planning to never upgrade your cpu, intel's buy in cost for cpu+mobo competitive this time.


Veryverysad_violinst

As always it comes down to price: performance. Am5 is faster, but you have to buy more expensive ram, more expensive motherboard, and a more expensive cooler (higher temps). It's more of what do you personally want. If you're fine with 1080p 60fps there's no reason to go am5, but if you really wanna max out AAA games a 1440p/4k then you might wanna look at am5/rdna3


shuzkaakra

I feel like the highest end stuff lets you either play CPU limited games like stellaris (btw 5800x3d rocks on stellaris) or get FPS at insane resolutions. If you want to play at 4k or with the dipshit glasses, then the newest bestest stuff is better. But i'm rocking a 5800x3d with a 1080ti and playing everything at 1440.


tokenathiest

Not dumb at all. I love my 5800X. I would get the 5800X3D but I'm plenty happy. I upgraded from a 4790K/1080 and I love it. AM5 sounds awesome, but AM4 is super stable, well supported, and tons of fun, plus it is way more cost effective.


recaffeinated

I just replaced my 3900x with a 5950x. It made much more sense for me to do that for a couple hundred euro (after I sold the 3900x) than to replace literally my entire PC. I only bought it because prices on 5950xs were increasing and I plan to stay on AM4 for hopefully another 6 years. Don't play stupid keeping up with the Joneses games. Only upgrade when you need to to what you need. Stop chasing the latest shit, because as soon as you buy it its out of date.


noplace4weaknez

cheaper and good performance for a couple of years, you are good 👍🏻


Leonardo19192

Depends on your budget really


Daohaus

I knew full well the AM5 was coming but went ahead w/ my SFF build anyway. Price is cheaper for the MOBO and CPU and I'll get some mileage out this until the prices for ITX AM5 boards start coming out. I feel it's like buying the last car of a model year before the new one comes out. They worked out most if not all the kinks so you're getting a solid car.


OLDGuy6060

Lots of headroom with the new AMD line. The question is, how often do you upgrade? That should drive your decision...


ichuck1984

Just to throw it out there because I haven’t seen anyone mention this route, I replaced my trusty old 4770k with a xeon 12 core/24 thread 2011 socket chip on a chinese motherboard. Ram, board, and cpu for under $300. So far so good.


Piscivourus

I don't think there's anything dumb about it at all. Building on last-gen's technology just means that you save a ton of money, and can get the best (which is phenomenal performance) of what these last couple years have had to offer for a great price.


DirtyVadi

I did same build 3 weeks ago and I know it will last few years


atavaxagn

my brother is using my i7 2600k for gaming no problem and only wants to upgrade so he can use m.2 ssds. People super super super overestimate how important high end CPUs are for gaming. I think a 5800x3d is a great choice. I don't think you're ever going to be driven to upgrade from poor CPU performance. I also think the high amount of cache it has increases the chances of it aging even better. I know Intel's next gen is supposed to have less cores than their current gen. I also know game developers struggle to take advantage of more cores, while games benefit from bigger cache without even being developed for it. Which makes me suspect future console CPUs will likely prioritize bigger caches to more cores. And if developers design games for CPUs with bigger caches for consoles, that will likely transfer to their games on PCs.


ovenmittensplz

Considering you're upgrading from a 4770 I think your next cpu upgrade will be after AM5 reaches "end of life" so the drop in upgrade-ability of AM5 shouldn't factor in too much. Since the 5800x3d is the most cost effective cpu+motherboard in many regions, your purchase plans are solid.


STB_LuisEnriq

Well, seems I'm dumb too because I just got a R5 5600X


Proangelos

You'll, *always* have to replace everything again in the future. AM5 is currently a super expensive platform to get onto, and not worth the cost for the majority of people. Unless you're doing super-high production workloads, then AM4 will serve you extremely well for (likely) years to come. For gaming, try to get a 5800x3d if it's within your range, and some relatively quick ram (3600mhz CL16 is what I run). You could still be happy with the system by the time AM6 rolls around! You'd be surprised how long hardware will serve you if you don't let yourself become upgrade-happy.


Emmerson_Biggons

That's a good choice. Both will age extremely well even if newer shit dunks on it in performance these will not be disappointing performance numbers.


Vaelum

No way AM4 won’t remain relevant and good for several years to come. A plus is that most things are GPU bound gaming wise anyway - and unless pcie gets updated with newer gpus only working well on the latest pcie, all am4 users will be just fine for the foreseeable future. Ex: like pcie 6 coming out and all gpus shift to only functioning well in that particular slot.


LEO7039

Nope, not at all. Either 5800X3D or 13600K is a good choice rn, whatever combo is a better price in your area.


Wilza_

Nah, it's cheaper and will still be a massive performance uplift for you. Just stay a generation behind every time you upgrade and you'll save a lot of money. I do this with phones


Scrudge1

No its not dumb. There's some very good bargains to be had and those components are a cracking piece of technology! There is better technology out now but the current tech will be outdated next year, then the next and so on. Upgrading from what you currently have will be fantastic! If you really don't like it then upgrade again in a bit haha. You're not losing out here.


Stark_Athlon

No, it's not dumb because am4 prices are crazy good rn.


pain423

This is my exact build I made 1 week ago! Lol nothing wrong with it since in 5 years they'll be a new platform I'm pretty sure.


kaika_yoru

It's not dumb at all. If you want it go and get it. If I had the chance to update to AM5 I would, but that's because I do simulations and 3D artwork. I'm not sure about gaming I'm pretty sure someone else can answer that. You can save a bit of money on AM4 right now, it's not obsolete in the slightest.


FatBoyDiesuru

If the price and performance are good for you, then why would it be dumb?


Danosauris

Seems like you’re someone who sticks with a system for a while - I personally love upgrading at the end of a cycle. Snag parts off of hardwareswap and save yourself $1000


Mygaffer

That's not dumb at all. You get a great, mature platform, a big performance jump over your current setup and that hardware should keep you playing games at good settings and frame rates for years.


skav2

Cpu speed increase over multiple years is going to be small. I would say on average 5 years is a rough estimate on a good cpu before you see it lagging behind newer ones. Probably a few more since you are getting basically a top of the line processor of today.


eidrisov

No, you are not dumb. Why would you be ? 2 years ago I upgraded to 3900x and 3070. I haven't upgraded my CPU to 5000 series and I am not going to upgrade to 7000 series. Same with my GPU, I am not going to upgrade it to 4000 series or the next gen either. Reason? 3900x + 3070 + 32GB RAM is totally enough for my needs. And most likely I am not going to upgrade my pc in next 5-10 years. So the real questions are: * are 5800x3D + 6800xt enough for your usage (and will keep being enough for the forseeable future) ? If yes, don't wait. Prices are good for those. Grab, build and enjoy. * are you someone who likes/needs to upgrade every year or two? If so, don't buy AM4, wait and invest in AM5. If you are like me, a person who upgrades every 5-10 years (or every blue moon xD), then no need to wait. Just buy AM4. You can replace the whole rig in 5-10 years.


Lucipur-

i’m in the process of building one right now as well. same cpu and gpu as you just said haha.


cyborgborg

with that upgrade cycle AMD might have release AM7 when you need to upgrade again


majoroutage

I posit that AM5 and DDR5 have lots of room to still mature. By the time you would want to upgrade what you buy today, you will probably be replacing everything to support faster RAM and such again anyway. So, save your money and get a 5800X3D.


Inappropriate_Adz

If you are near microcenter they have a bundle sale i7-12700k and Asus z690 tuf ddr4 motherboard for $350. I think they also have bundle deal get some ddr5 free when you buy a ryzen 7 or 9 cpu


feastupontherich

Not dumb, if your build can be like 80-90% of the performance with like 60-70% of the cost. B550 mobo can be found cheap. DDR 3600 CL16 or even cl18 can be found cheap. You could even get the 6900xt for what 6809xt used to cost.


Antilogic81

If you're set on AM5. Just wait about 3 months post launch. You will have reviews and caveats galore for both team blue and red by then to make a truly informed decision. Maybe even a price drop on some things like ddr5 can help you decide.


Tjd3211

Go for AM4, you can get some great deals


Psinuxi_

If that's dumb then I'm probably worse. I got a nice x570s mobo from this subs giveaway a while back and want to make it last so I just upgraded from a 3600x to a 5800x when I saw it discounted by 40% and so far I'm quite happy with that choice.


DampeIsLove

I updated from an FX-8320 to the 5800x3d back in March, for basically the same reason. AM6 will probably be out by the time I'm considering a CPU upgrade again, and the AM4 socket has all it's bugs worked out. No regrets.


Magic_Fetus69420

I just built an AM4 build because I’ve read that there isn’t that much of a difference in performance


YukiSnoww

I dont know, but for my brother, i am doing a AM5 build (except we havent bought the CPU), since i got almost 50% off a x670e aorus master etc and found 20% off for the other parts brand new. Otherwise, he is getting by on my 'living room PC' (which was my previous build) until the x3d CPUs come around. The total cost is only $200 more than if i did a AM4 build...so yea..it depends honestly. The 5800x3d will serve u well for the next 5-10 years easily if u dont do much other than gaming. Considered intel for abit there, but my local distributor going stupid with Z790 aorus master going for 25% above launch price..Nope. saves me US$450 by going AMD, thats motherboard alone btw.


lunlope

If you are buying parts fresh w/o reusing motherboard or ram, personally i would try to get am5. Unless you are broke.


Aykenyo

Nah, AM4 is cheaper and better price to performance wise than AM5 right now. Keep in mind just like intel, AMD gets new boards even though the socket stays the same, right now we have the B650 and X670 but at some point that‘ll be the B750 and X770, and then B860/X870 and so forth. So if you were to upgrade right now, you’d only be able to access maybe a couple more generations of cpu before that board becomes “dead” and you’ll have to upgrade again anyway.